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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2021 and 9 April 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jhrechka, KABerglund, Nättipoika.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 03:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revision of the "Indian Act" Section[edit]

I'm editing for a class, and this section needs to be clarified and be more neutral. When it says "The main intentions of the law was for Indigenous peoples to be absorbed into mainstream Canadian life and leave behind their traditional values and adopt Canadian values that were introduced by colonial settlers", there is a need for citations, and the language can be simplified. Along with adding more citations, I think there could be valuable info added about gender discrimination within the act briefly, as that is an ongoing part of the settler-colonial project within Canada. Also, to briefly mention the actual amendments and tangible changes that were made. There are many works by Indigenous scholars that would be valuable to cite here. KABerglund (talk) 20:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of Doctrine of Discovery[edit]

I am going to add a section on the Doctrine of Discovery, since this is a foundational legal doctrine directly relevant to settler colonialism in Canada. Nättipoika (talk) 20:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This does not apply to the British. 24.86.200.171 (talk) 19:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Added POV tag[edit]

This article reads like advocacy. The views it expresses are certainly defensible (I agree with many of them), but not complaint with Wikipedia policy. Those who wish to describe events they think are really bad are free to peruse articles like The Holocaust to see how they should be written. Asasa64 (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to think the article is good, but the title is wrong. It should be Indigenous-settler relations in Canada or Indigenous-government relations in Canada. This relationship is complex and over time as included incidents of cooperation and peace, conflict, all the way to genocide. The whole process can be fairly categorized a "settler colonialism" by the federal state, I wouldn't argue that (and we should not remove that term from the article. But this article can also be about more than just the sate, but also indigenous nations and non-state actors on the settler side (churches, provinces, political parties, individuals). --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 18:04, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree. Consider just the following passage:

Although French Canadians faced discriminatory treatment by English Canadians, eventually the two ethnic groups formulated a Canadian origin myth involving two "founding races", a narrative which ignored the indigenous contribution to Canadian history.[4] This fundamental misunderstanding regarding underlying title forms the basis of the "land question" in Canada. In the landmark Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia decision, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected all Crown arguments for Aboriginal title extinguishment, acknowledging the Doctrine of Discovery is racist.[2] While this calls into question the legitimacy of the Canadian settler colonial state to exist on Indigenous territories, what this Supreme Court decision means on the ground remains to be seen.

This isn't just POV (referring to certain views as wrong or myths), but also violates WP:FORUM and WP:CRYSTAL, among others. And this is just an overt example. The article's biggest problem isn't that a particular sentence is POV standing alone, but that the sentences together are there to advance a thesis.

No one could read this article and believe that its purpose is to neutrally describe issues relating to Indigenous people in Canada. The purpose of the article is clearly to convince the read that settler colonialism in Canada is a force for ill. That may be a noble goal, but it's not Wikipedia's goal.

That said, I'll end on a note of agreement: I agree with your proposed name change. And I think that would help to properly focus the subject matter of the article. Asasa64 (talk) 02:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this article has a POV/essay problem. Part of the problem is that the article was created by students, who often tend to write in the format they know (essays) rather than one more fit for an encyclopedia. Zoozaz1 talk 03:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: War and the Environment[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 4 May 2022 and 6 August 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jassimrit Mohindru (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Jmack2214, Niamh Calder, JKendraB.

— Assignment last updated by Karanaconda (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Possible sources for an addition[edit]

I am editing for a class and am thinking of adding information on how forced relocation (because settlers wanted resources) is a form of slow violence that has impacted Indigenous culture. I might also add information on how climate change is said to be a manifestation of colonialism or how settlers attacked the environment to attack Indigenous peoples. Here are a couple sources I am reading (I will keep adding):

The Destruction of Identity: Cultural Genocide and Indigenous Peoples: Journal of Human Rights: Vol 14, No 1 (tandfonline.com)

IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Canada’s Colonial Genocide of Indigenous Peoples: A Review of the Psychosocial and Neurobiological Processes Linking Trauma and Intergenerational Outcomes (mdpi.com) Jassimrit Mohindru (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking Input On Canada-Oriented Page On Welfare Colonialism[edit]

Hi -- I recently authored an introductory page on Welfare Colonialism, a concept derived from analyses of government policy towards the Inuit in the 1960's and 70's. I'd appreciate input from anyone with ideas or advice as to how to further develop it. Much thanks. Iguana0000 (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Iguana0000 looks like a great start! (t · c) buidhe 03:03, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Iguana0000: You could add something about disc numbers and Project Surname. I agree with Buidhe that it's a great start. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Good call! I remember now hearing about disc numbers on The Secret Life of Canada.... Iguana0000 (talk) 16:13, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Iguana0000: Now I'm curious about the Secret Life of Canada, I've never heard of it before. Something that came to me this afternoon was that the Hudson's Bay Company may fit in somewhere given that the Crown gave them a bunch of land (such as the Hudson Bay drainage basin). I believe that content related to compulsory sterilization in Canada would also be relevant [1]. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's my favorite podcast. You can hear all 4 seasons here -- https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/203-the-secret-life-of-canada Iguana0000 (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]