Talk:Sorin Hall (University of Notre Dame)

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Requested move 28 October 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 01:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorin Hall (University of Notre Dame) → Sorin College – Per WP:COMMONNAME, this should be moved to "Sorin College". It seems that the vast majority of independent, reliable sources refer to the dorm as "Sorin College" rather than as "Sorin Hall".

These include:

  1. USA Today
  2. ABC News
  3. The South Bend Tribune (1 2 and what appears to be a legal notice regarding a marriage license).
  4. 247Sports.com On the opposite side of the Dome is Sorin Hall. Known primarily as Sorin College, the dorm is as historic as they come at Notre Dame

The University itself also appears to use the term "Sorin College" to refer to the dormitory in some of its official communications, including communications from Notre Dame's athletic department.

Additionally, the two campus newspapers appear to nearly exclusively use the term "Sorin College" to refer to the building:

  1. The Observer has done so innumerable times, but some are listed here for your perusal: 1 2 3 4 5 etc.
  2. The Irish Rover similarly refers to the dorm as "Sorin College" 1 2 3, etc.

Taken together, it appears that the common name of the dormitory is "Sorin College". As a result, I believe that this page should be moved. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose for the following reasons:

  • It is not a college, it is a dormitory, and it would confuse the reader the nickname Sorin College arose among its students, but it could be confusing to the reader since it is a residence hall, not an actual college. The reader might hence be confused.
  • Sorin Hall is the official name It is listed as such at the university's official website for the dormitory.[1].
  • Sorin Hall is used exclusively by the official channels of the university. The nickname Sorin College is never used in an official way, and indeed it is not present in any of the official university documentation. Sorin Hall is as used on the official building directory, the building Zip code list, and the official campus map. All official Notre Dame sites use Sorin Hall, the real name of the dormitory. here, here and here. Sorin College is sometimes mentioned, but as a nickname, as seen in these links. The user above claims that there in one article in which it is used in an official capacity, but in reality the link provided shows an article by Ed Cohen on ND magazine from 2001, which was then republished on an atheltics website blog. This definitely does not constitute an official communication from the University.
  • Independent and reliable sources use almost exclusively Sorin Hall From the Chicago Tribune[2] The New York Times[3], South Bend Tribune[4] [5] [6], San Francisco Chronicle[7], WANE-TV[8], 247Sports.com[9], ABC57[10], New York Daily News[11],Los Angeles Times [12]. Newspaper.com reports 1600+ results for "Sorin Hall" and only 37 for "Sorin College", clearly indicating that the first in the more used name.
    • The user above linked a newspaper.com article of the South Bend Tribune from 2008 and 1996 that uses the Sorin College nickname. That appears to be few instances. In reality, the South Bend Tribune uses exclusively Sorin Hall, as can be seen in these three recent SBT articles from 2020 using Sorin Hall. [13] [14] [15]. Indeed, Google News finds 23 recent instances of the South Bend Tribune using Sorin Hall and zero instances of it using Sorin College.
    • Similarly, the user above claims that 247sports.com uses Sorin College, while in reality it only uses it 1 time in 2007, while it uses Sorin Hall 3 times, most recently in 2021.
    • Both campus newspapers, the The Observer and The Irish Rover use both names, although I'd like to point out that serching the Observer archives [found at http://archives.nd.edu/Observer/] gives 729 results for Sorin Hall and 226 for Sorin College.
  • Sorin Hall is more common than Sorin College as show above in all Notre Dame communications and all independent sources, and Sorin Hall more results on Google search than Sorin College.
  • Sorin Hall is used by academic sources.[16][17]
  • The National Register of Historic Places and the Indiana Historical Society use Sorin Hall, and neither makes no mention of the nickname.[18][19] Same for the Indiana State Library and Historical Bureau. [20]
  • For all the reasons above, this move clearly fails WP:COMMONNAME.

Eccekevin (talk) 10:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. The evidence presented by Eccekevin is pretty strong. -- Calidum 14:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Dame, University of Notre. "Sorin Hall // Residential Life // University of Notre Dame". Residential Life. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  2. ^ Clair, Christy Gutowski, Stacy St. "Gurnee family sues University of Notre Dame after freshman son's fall causes 'catastrophic injury'". chicagotribune.com.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ Ward, Alex (12 June 1988). "MONK MOLLOY'S NOTRE DAME". The New York Times. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  4. ^ reports, Staff. "Sorin publishes book about Notre Dame's Paul Fenlon". South Bend Tribune. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  5. ^ Fosmoe, Margaret. "Cleanup of South Bend's Lafayette Building reveals original yellow brick". South Bend Tribune. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  6. ^ https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/news/education/2019/05/22/otre-dames-landscaping-chief-to-retire-capping-off-35-year-journey/46353429/tpqu4jN2oBxzm2lOF. Retrieved 28 October 2021. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  7. ^ Fisher-Paulson, Kevin (10 August 2021). "As a son's 18th birthday approaches, memories and laundry pile up". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  8. ^ "University sued after student's fall causes severe injury". WANE 15. 22 July 2020. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  9. ^ "Tom Clements: Notre Dame's One of a Kind Leader". IrishIllustrated.com. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  10. ^ "Family suing Notre Dame after son suffers "catastrophic injury"". ABC57. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  11. ^ "Parents sue Notre Dame University after freshman son falls 30 feet over stairwell balcony at 'quasi-fraternity' dorm party". news.yahoo.com. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  12. ^ "Father Edward Sorin Came From France : The Man Who Founded Notre Dame". Los Angeles Times. 18 June 1989. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  13. ^ reports, Staff. "Sorin publishes book about Notre Dame's Paul Fenlon". South Bend Tribune. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  14. ^ Fosmoe, Margaret. "Cleanup of South Bend's Lafayette Building reveals original yellow brick". South Bend Tribune. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  15. ^ https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/news/education/2019/05/22/otre-dames-landscaping-chief-to-retire-capping-off-35-year-journey/46353429/tpqu4jN2oBxzm2lOF. Retrieved 28 October 2021. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  16. ^ McAvoy, Thomas T. (1953). "John F. O'Hara, C.S.C., and Notre Dame". Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia. pp. 3–21. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  17. ^ Leary, James P. (1978). "The Notre Dame Man: Christian Athlete or Dirtball?". Journal of the Folklore Institute. pp. 133–145. doi:10.2307/3814090.
  18. ^ "NPGallery Asset Detail". npgallery.nps.gov. Retrieved 28 October 2021.
  19. ^ "Walsh Hall and Sorin Hall". images.indianahistory.org.
  20. ^ digital.library.in.gov https://digital.library.in.gov/Record/SJCPL_p16827coll7-140. Retrieved 28 October 2021. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
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