Talk:Stop Messin' Round

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Misc

I changed "is a song by" to "is a song recently performed by" to reflect the original writing and performance data without disrespecting Aerosmith's role in increasing the song's exposure to new audiences.

This can be verified at http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Wonderful-Fleetwood-Mac/dp/B000306074/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-9860312-7700712?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1189885025&sr=8-2

Please reference www.fleetwoodmac.com, www.mickfleetwood.com, www.aerosmith.com, as well as other sources that can be found on Wiki and other websites to verify this information.

The song listing on ""Mr. Wonderful as well as "Honkin' on Bobo" link to this page.

I changed the title of the page to reflect the original title, and ensured the modified Aerosmith title redirects.

Also, if you enjoy British blues music similar to Bluesbreakers and Yardbirds, check out some of Fleetwood Mac's early blues music. The Fleetwood Mac article is an interesting read. DarthAlbin 19:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 07:12, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this on. I'll be working on it a bit at a time. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Infobox and lead

Don't note UK and US after the labels but keep them in the infobox

Removed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mention the song being by Fleetwood Mac before you mention the writer

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Identify them as a British-American rock band

First American member joined in 1971, three years later. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"It is an" → "The song is an"

Chagned. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure twelve shouldn't be 12?

Changed (looks better). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WikiLink to Twelve-bar blues

See Footnotes. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The song was first" → ""Stop Messin' Round" was first"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe move the info about the initial release to the first para?

Trying to approach on the song, rather than the release. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The song is included" → "The song has been included"

Re-worded. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and Aerosmith have" → "and Aerosmith, have"

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mention reception somewhere here, including what most critics commented on

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove ref 1 as that is sourced in the body

Removed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

"Fleetwood Mac's "Stop Messin' Round" is credited" → ""Stop Messin' Round" is credited"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"often used by the group's manager" → "often used by Fleetwood Mac's manager"

Reworded with Ghmyrtle's clarification. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Only two 12-bar verses" → "Only two of the song's 12-bar verses"

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"He uses" → "His version uses" and are you sure this shouldn't be in the releases section?
Mitchell, not FM. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Target "Stop Breakin' Down Blues" to "Stop Breaking Down"

See Footnotes. —Ojorojo (talk)

Recording and musical style

Are you sure this shouldn't be above lyrics section?

There's more background info in Lyrics, so it works better chronologically. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"(and future McVie wife" → "(also future McVie wife"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Perfect and saxophone players" → "Perfect, and saxophone players"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"album.[6]" → "album in 1968.[6]"

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"more typical of live performances" → "more typical of live performances for the song"

This setup was used for the whole album. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"public address or PA system" → "public address system (PA system)"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"sees it as attempt" → "sees it as an attempt"

Fixed typo. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target Chess Studios to Chess Records

See Footnotes. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the word American included?

Removed. Chicago and Memphis are already included. (At the time, some thought that studios in the UK couldn't get the bluesier or R&B sound). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"such as B.B. King (to whom he was often compared)" → "such as B.B. King, to whom he was often compared"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Add overview of the recepton (positive/mixed/negative etc.)

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

""Mr. Wonderful's one gem"" → ""Mr. Wonderful's one gem""

Fixed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Renditions

"best-known songs" → "most well-known songs" more encyclopedic

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk)

"of the song, that appears" → "of the song, which appears"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"In a 1996 review in" → "In a 1996 review for"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Introduce who Aerosmith are

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"what we do best."" → "what we do best"."

A complete sentence is quoted, so used punctuation "within" (MOS:INOROUT). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"played the song at" → "played the song during"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

- WP:NOTBROKEN includes "There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. However, changing to a piped link is beneficial only in a few cases. Piping links solely to avoid redirects is generally a time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]]." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Target "44 Blues" to "Forty-Four"
As above. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Target "Stop Breakin' Down Blues" to "Stop Breaking Down"

As above. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Peter Green's response" → "Green's response"

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

- Template:Cite web#Parameters includes: "Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.) ... Not normally used for periodicals. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 3, 4, 18, 21, 22, 25, 28 and 33 should cite AllMusic as the publisher

See below. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 15, 23, 24 and 31 shouldn't use at

It's automatically added when using Template:AllMusic (also removes italics): "The template can be used for any link to AllMusic's website, including the 'External links' section or when citing it as a source." —Ojorojo (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC) I did some more checking and remember problems using the AllMusic template, so I'll change all these to the regular citeweb. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changed so all consistently use the same cite web format. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 20 should have Official Charts Company as the publisher

See below. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 30 should cite Guitar World as the website not Guitarworld.com

In the case of Guitar World, Variety, Billboard, etc., the websites are different than their print magazines. I'll look into this. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This explains use of work/website and publisher. Generally, 1) whatever the webpage is titled should be used (the ".com" is usually not part of it); 2) publisher= is not needed if work/website name is substantially the same or is well-known. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 36 should cite Variety not Variety.com

As above. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 37 should cite PopMatters not Popmatters.com

As above. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict

On hold until the changes are done and maybe include an image of the writer? --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added with tie-in to guitar. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add alt text

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think this takes care of it. Thanks for adding the archive links. Let me know if there's anything else. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass, well done --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One thought...

Re: "...C.G. Adams, the pen name often used by the group's manager, Clifford Davis...". In fact, C. G. Adams was his real name (Clifford George Adams), but he used the name Clifford Davis professionally to distinguish himself from Cliff Adams of the Cliff Adams Singers. So, it might be better expressed as something like "..C. G. Adams, the group's manager, who also used the name Clifford Davis...". Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. I took the info from Green's bio by Martin Celmins: "Clifford Adams being a pseudonym for Clifford Davis, Peter's manager" [p. 149]. No explanation why his name appears alongside Green's on several Mr. Wonderful tracks, but Adams/Davis was also responsible for the fake Fleetwood Mac 1974 tour, which I guess says it all. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]