Talk:Sun Jianai

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Short description: Qing dynasty official (1827–1909)

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~~... that Sun Jianai co-founded China's first national university in 1898?~~

Source: Lin, Xiaoqing Diana (2005). Peking University: Chinese Scholarship and Intellectuals, 1898–1937. pp 15-27

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Ma'mun al-Bata'ihi

Moved to mainspace by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting article, thanks. I will review this shortly. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Generalissima: are you sure it's correct to say that Sun "founded" the university? The article doesn't quite state it in that way. It seems that technically the university was established by the first edict of the Guangxu Emperor as part of the Hundred Days' Reform? If it is correct, was he the sole founder or a co-founder? Onceinawhile (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- @Onceinawhile: Good point; changed it to "co-founded". Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Generalissima: sorry to be difficult but are you sure that is right? It doesn't say founder or co-founder anywhere in the article. This source says: "On July 3, 1898, Emperor Guangxu approved a report to implement the Imperial University of Peking and to draft its charter. Sun Jianai, a senior Chinese official, was appointed “guanli daxuetang shiwu dachen,” or the (education) minister for the imperial university's affairs." The "guanli daxuetang shiwu dachen" is zh:Category:管理大学堂事务大臣. If we are to use co-founder we will need a source stating that. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile: I felt that "was tasked to organize" works for "co-founded", but I'm okay deferring to an slightly alternate hook. How about
Alt1:… that Sun Jianai organized China's first national university in 1898?
(again citing the Lin 2005 source) Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT1 good to go! Onceinawhile (talk) 21:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]