Talk:Terror (politics)

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Keep, 17 December 2011, see discussion.
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Initial reaction[edit]

Purpose of the article is? Regardless, for it to not be nominated for deletion it will need beefier more scholarly sources. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 19:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is pure, blatant POV fork. Collect (talk) 19:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The expressions like "war on terror" have the same meaning as "war on terrorism". Of course terror also means "fear". This should be somewhere in a dictionary. Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 04:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Terror practiced by a government in office appears as law enforcement and is directed against the opposition, while terrorism on the other hand implies open defiance of the law and is the means whereby an opposition aims to demoralize government authority". (R.Thackrah, my emphasis)[1] TFD (talk) 04:25, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Literature point of view[edit]

A solution could be add some kinds of terror that have been set in terror literature, I was searching for that and I'd found really strange that Wikipedia didn't talk about it... I'll see what would do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbanista77 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I, too, think this page needs extending, not deleting. It links both with 'totalitarianism' and 'horror' JeffreyBNewman (talk) 08:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

I am adding this source here for possible future use. It is interesting as it discusses the difference between "terror" and "terrorism" and in fact states that terror is a key element of counter-terrorism. (Whether the US did this or the Chinese is irrelevant.)

Peter Dale Scott and Robert Parry (October 7, 2010). "A Long History of America's Dark Side". Consortiumnews.com.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 06:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 February 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved and undisambiguated name redirect to fear. Andrewa (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Terror → Terror (politics)
Terror (disambiguation) → Terror

– This is a very ASTONISHing title. If there's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at all, it's Terror (emotion), which redirects to Fear. In fact, the page was linked from {{Emotion}} until I just now removed it. Participants in the two AfDs for this article have expressed similar concerns. For now, I think the best thing to do would be to say there's no primary topic. I wouldn't oppose the base title redirecting to Fear, and I'm not dead-set on Terror (politics) for this article if there are other viable alternatives. --BDD (talk) 19:29, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Astonishing indeed. Move to Terror (regime) or similar title, fix links, and then redirect Terror to Fear. Red Slash 19:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom; rename to terror (politics) and repoint to fear per RedSlash -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 02:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Current title is ASTONISHing. Would also support redirecting "terror" to fear. Egsan Bacon (talk) 17:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Terror is basically a synonym for fear. kennethaw88 • talk 04:42, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, support move and redirecting to Fear. kennethaw88 • talk 00:40, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support well spotted. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Agree, astonishing. Primary topic of terror is Fear. Too much at Terror (disambiguation) is not directly related to the emotion, so leave that page there and redirect Terror to Fear. I feel weakly about this. Moving the disambiguation page to Terror is reasonable, if the top line is the line linking to fear. I am hesitant about the proposed "(politics)", thinking more along the lines of mass psychological manipulation. but the thesaurus has not shown me the better word. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support and redirect Terror to Fear. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moving on[edit]

Noting the two AfD nominations both resulting in the article being kept (the older one closed no consensus but look at the closing comments There is consensus that the article should not remain the dictionary definition and semi-fork of Terrorism that is is now. But there is no consensus what it should become (a redirect or a dab page, to where, with or without merging). These solutions can all be implemented without deleting the page. Nobody can reasonably want this article to become a red link, so deleting the article would not help solve the disagreement about what it should become. This needs to be resolved editorially on the talk page, perhaps via an RfC. That is really a consensus to keep in my view, as none of those ways forward involve deletion.)...

I think we should note how remarkably good this article now is, for a short article on a very controversial subject. It is NPOV and well referenced, and has every chance of growing. Andrewa (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Red Slash 01:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]