Talk:Thirteen Anniversaries

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Moving to Thirteen Anniversaries[edit]

Although I couldn't find anything specific in MOS:NUMNOTES, I think we should move this article to Thirteen Anniversaries to keep consistency with Five Anniversaries and Four Anniversaries.

I have learned - the hard way (A Boy was Born) - that even IF we'd know how the composer called it, we need to follow OUR style guide. Not what I believe, but I wasn't successful in the other case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does our style guide say about this? I don't know where to find it and I face these problems very often (Six chansons pour piano and Fifteen Hungarian Peasant Songs but 44 Duos for Two Violins — some of this must be wrong). Ron Oliver (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The most relevant guideline I can find is at MOS:NUMNOTES. It is not unambiguous, but does say (under "Generally, in article text"), "Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred)." Later, it also says, "Avoid beginning a sentence with a figure". Neither of these statements explicitly addresses titles (either of artworks or of Wikipedia articles). MOS:TITLE, which is specifically about works, and Wikipedia:Article titles, do not address the problem at all. There is another convention (as far as I am aware, also not addressed in any of the Wikipedia style guidelines), that moves the number to the end of the title, often enclosed in parentheses, particularly used with generic titles (e.g., "Études, 24" or "Études, Twenty-Four"; "Duo for Two Violins (44)"). Without a clear guideline on Wikipedia, I'm afraid this inevitably means it will vary according to the preferences of individual editors. My own personal opinion is that it is best to spell out numbers at the beginning of a title, if for no better reason than that the title is likely to start a sentence somewhere in the article (like the opening sentence in the present case), where the guideline is clear.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since that seems to be the case, if nobody is going to oppose moving this article to Thirteen Anniversaries, I will move it myself in the next few days. We can always undo the changes should new guidelines come up. Thanks very much, Jerome. Ron Oliver (talk) 19:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]