User talk:Ron Oliver

2019

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations, @Gerda Arendt:. I saw that a couple of days ago. I'm glad you're still contributing. Happy New Year to you too! Ron Oliver (talk) 18:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, - nice tricentenary;) - Thank you for your new ones. When you add compositions by Luigi Nono, please also add them to his navbox, and add the navbox to the articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Sure, I forgot. I'll probably create a new Nono article, but I never know when I'm going to have time to spend. Ron Oliver (talk) 22:16, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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Sacrum convivium

Thank you for the article! I don't know how to word that "offertory" (might need a link) is NOT part of the mass ordinary, but of the proper, the parts changing with the seasons, and perhaps even find out for which season. Music to listen to on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your message! I'm confused, as I think I've seen that in one of my refs... Anyway, I would not know how to word it either. Even though I know some stuff that's related to religion and the Church, I'm neither religious nor a church-goer, so I might as well just wait until someone comes around and fixes it. (And yeah, I really believe Messiaen is the best French composer since Ravel).Ron Oliver (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I thought of him when expanding Odile Pierre. - If you look at the linked article Mass ordinary, there's a table showing the Ordinarium left, the Proprium right, and Offertory is right, so not part of the Ordinary. Quite possible that the writer of the source has no idea, - and "order of mass" and "ordinary of mass" do sound similar. To make it short: Kyrie is part of the ordinary, but Sacrum convivium, being offertory, is not. In this case, I believe we should have consistency in Wikipedia rather than taking wording from the source, especially when we link to somewhere. I have no time right now to look closer. PIng me please if needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

ps: the organist was Jennifer Bate, sorry about that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I just fixed it. Not my preferred way of putting it, but I guess that works just fine. Ron Oliver (talk) 11:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Lied ohne Name

What a funny name, not a lied, and "ohne Name" is wrong grammar, - do you think he knew that, or not? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I guess he really didn't care. I'm sure people started going scavenging when Stravinsky died and most of these unpublished sketches came to light as they were, with mistakes and errors. Do you think it would be fair to specify that the title contains faulty grammar? Ron Oliver (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd make it a footnote, saying that "Lied ohne Namen" would be correct, perhaps instead of saying "also known as ...", just make a silent redirect ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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Lovely, your coverage of early Messiaen works! I'd pipe-link pipe organ to simply organ, as in the list of compositions, "pipe" is just for disambiguation, biology and such, - all these bad jokes about "showed his organ ...". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

It was long overdue! Thanks very much! I wanted to do the whole set of organ compositions, so I think I've created them all now. I will certainly pipe-link those. I also found it strange when I first linked to a disambiguation page, but I was not sure "organ" would be the proper term to use and not something more specific. Ron Oliver (talk) 09:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Gerda! Hope you're doing very well! :) Ron Oliver (talk) 12:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I listened to Bach music in the morning, so: well! more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for more compositions. Five Pianos could go to DYK, but would need more lead. When "humming pianists" is mentioned first, it comes as a surprise ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda! I like the fact that Five Pianos is scored for five pianos AND a celesta. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 18:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for another good one! It's also featured on Portal:Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda, for your tireless effort to bring these articles some attention. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

very selfish of me, - I love piano music, and also composer articles with an infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: That is indeed a very interesting picture. I have to say I didn't know who he was until I read your article :) Ron Oliver (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Morty Feldman!

Terrific work with the Five Pianos article. Just wanted to say what a pleasure it was to read. Thank you so much. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 07:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so very much! I am so glad you liked it. Hope musical scores are coming back sometime soon. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 11:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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thank you on St. John's Day, decorated with St. John wort and a rainbow, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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Bridal Suite

February songs

frozen

Thank you for Bersnstein's work with a double meaning ;) - It would bee a good DYK, - could you reference it for the purpose? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

• Hi, Gerda! Just did that. Let me know if additional references are needed. Thanks very much! Ron Oliver (talk) 11:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you, will check tomorrow - generally: one at the end of each paragraph. Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Precious

Eight years!

precious also, and I have the TFA today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Can't believe it's been eight years. I recently became a dad to a wonderful baby boy, so I don't have as much time as I'd like, though. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 08:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

How wonderful, and tell his mother! Much more important than what we do here which can wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations! The amount of work you put into this is amazing. Ron Oliver (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

it was the work of many, over more than a decade --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

stand and sing Prayer for Ukraine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

My heart breaks for Ukraine. I cannot believe this is happening in 2022 Europe. Ron Oliver (talk) 22:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

agree - I took the pic in 2009, and it was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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Points and Dances

I nominated for DYK. I believe that a short hint at that Taverner was a composer might help, and perhaps also links to the dances and what the Latin titles stand for, - not in the table, but prose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'm right at the end of our course, so I have a lot of tests in my hands as I'm writing this to you. Will get back to this as soon as I can get the tests done. I would personally translate the latin titles, but would link to the dances in an additional paragraph. Somehow it just doesn't feel right to link to the dances right in the list, as the links wouldn't refer to those specific musical compositions, but to the dance form. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 11:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Best wishes for the tests! - We agree: not in the list (table) but a separate paragraph. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think I am going to need some help with the Latin translations. No sources provide translations for them and I am not really sure if they are any good. Ron Oliver (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

It may suffice that they refer to sacred music by Taverner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Divertimento

Thank you for Bernstein's Divertimento! To avoid problems as the last nomination for DYK which came too late, I'll do that now. I did some copy-editing, with edit summaries, - hope they tell you enough. Some questions remain.

• Is the title just Divertimento? Then it should not be italic. Or Divertimento for Orchestra? Then perhaps all italic. A generic name but subtitle is awkward. I have no solution.
• We should have more lead. (I began, but want it to remain "yours".) Some readers will never look at an infobox.
• I wonder if we need any of the lung cancer background. The sabbatical begins long after her death, - if connected, that needs to come out stronger. The composer's own death seems to play no role in the composition, imho. We don't repeat how Beethoven died in all his compositions.
• "social commitments" is a very vague term, - I wonder if helpful.
• I noticed one instance with wording too close to the source ("pull the plug"). Please check if there are other such things, - I have no time.
• In the list, I wonder why the Italian tempo markings are not italic, and some (lugubre) deserve translation in the prose section.
• 5 refs for one para loos like over-cite, - could they be placed to what exactly they reference?
• I think that many movement titles are dance names should be emphasized.
• I think the recordings details are borderline excessive ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt Thanks very much, Gerda. Will see to it by tomorrow morning. Ron Oliver (talk) 09:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt As you can see, I am doing this at 1 am, so I haven't had much time. I apologize for that. I believe most of your suggestions are correct. I have just changed what I could readily see. I guess I will keep the recordings details in this time. I will consider cutting them down on future articles. Please, let me know if there is anything missing. Ron Oliver (talk) 23:07, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for everything, Gerda! :) Ron Oliver (talk) 10:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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2024

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

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2024

Like 2019, see above -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. - I'm back but in the slow process to upload images, see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, Gerda, how lovely to hear from you again! It is no mystery that I've decided to dial back my pace here, but I'll still come over occasionally. So nice to know you're still consistently editing. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 21:55, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you for a new creation, and my story today is about an earlier one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)