Talk:Three-cushion billiards

History

The History section says that in 1924 Willie Hoppe played an exhibition match (against Ralph Greenleaf) and "later took up three-cushion with a passion". But in "The Game Today" it says that Hoppe set the record for high run (25) in 1918. How could he have set such a record at least six years before he "took up" the game?

Later in the section there is a sentence "The game's decline in the US began in 1952 when Hoppe, then 51-time billiards champion, announced his retirement." The preceeding context of the sentence means that "the game" can only refer to three-cushion, but the following sentence implies that it actually refers to balkline.

I do not know anything of the history. Can an expert clarify things? Molinari (talk) 03:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Rules

No answer here for the question I had about the rules. Is a player limited to which ball he must use as his cue ball? Deschreiber (talk) 13:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Before they start the match, both players shoot the cue balls from one short bank to the opposite one. Who's ball is coming closer to the bank they startet, is the beginner of the match and gets the white ball. His opponent gets the yellow ball. they keep these balls during the whole match. The red ball belongs to non of the players and is neutral. Hope it answers your question. --LezFraniak (talk) 17:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

This should be added to the article. Also that (I think) instead of being white and yellow, both cue ball are often white, distinguished by one or two dots, respectively. -- BMJ-pdx (talk) 09:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Definition of "Official World Record"

The definition is: It MUST be made/shot in a competition of either: Olympic Games (World Games), World Championships, World Cups, … etc., anywhere where sportsmen from any country can participate. So it can be that local, national or continental records are higher than the world record. E. g. Frédéric Caudron's series of 28 is higher than the world record of 24, but he made it in a european competition (Netherlands), so it's "Europen Record", not "World Record". It doesn't matter if the record is made in a game of sets (e.g. 3x 15 points) or in a single game (1x 40 points), as long as it has been made in a row. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LezFraniak (talk • contribs) 10:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Oops, sorry. Forgot 2 sign. ;) --LezFraniak (talk) 13:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That is an unusual definition of a world record, but perhaps it's true for (and unique to?) billiards. It would be nice if you can give us a link to the definition at some official page.Afasmit (talk) 01:12, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, let's see if I can find something at the UMB. ;-) --LezFraniak (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Here's reference which tells the same: http://memim.com/umb-world-three-cushion-championship.html --LezFraniak (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Never heard of MEMIM.com, but the text appears to be a (very poor) google-translation from something in German. The program decided to translate whatever Bury's 24-run was named in German as "the official series-world record", which could mean "the record run in a world cup or world championship". More official looking sources acknowledge the 28 runs by Komori, Ceulemans, Forthomme and Caudron as the official "world record for high run" (e.g. this page at the US Billiard Association website and page 189 of Billiards. The official rules and records book (2002 edition). Odd that there is no record page maintained by the UMB. Afasmit (talk) 09:20, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I wrote to the UMB asking for an official statement about that. Let's see what they will answer. --LezFraniak (talk) 10:23, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm unaware of any WP policy or guideline that sets such a definition of "world record". As with everything, we would go with what reliable, secondary, independent sources say, per WP:RS.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  12:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Since I didn't get an answer from the UMB about this question, at least they published a World-Record-List by the end of 2017. I put the archive link on the article page under External links. My be you want to use it as a reference. Regards Rafael Zink (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Disputed world championships claim

The claim Alfredo de Oro from Cuba has won 20 World Three-cushion Championships. has been tagged by Episcophagus with {{Dispute about|Not according to the link given, Twice runner-up (in an american local tournament named "world-championships" is not the same as 20 victories.}} So, this should probably be discussed and addressed as needed. Just putting this here since dispute details in a template tend to do unnoticed for a long time.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

PS: Oknazevad has removed the claim, but at any rate we should probably figure out what it really was trying to say, based on actual sources, and include the correct statement if it's actually relevant.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

From looking at de Oro's article, it appears that he mostly played in a period where the world championship was a challenge title, not an annual tournament. I think what the sentence was trying to get at was that he held the lineal title for a while and that he had 20 successful title matches. But I can't say for certain. oknazevad (talk) 13:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

There was no world championships before 1928 as there was no international governing body before that. However, in the USA the use of "World" is quite sloppy, though, but there actually is another side of the disc. Episcophagus (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)