Talk:To-Shin Do

Hello, my name is Jessy. And I am very interested in learning more about your Schools. I just recently moved to Washington State and was wondering if you have any Dojos near my Location. Could you please give me a call at your earliest convenience? My number is 207-650-1073 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8780:AF20:6427:13F9:F349:AB5B (talk) 05:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

New Article

In 2010, the original To-Shin Do article was deleted (via speedy deletion rules) on the grounds that the original article:

• lacked citations
• talked about a 'non prominent' martial art
• lacked notoriety
• was a style practiced in a small, limited area

Since that time, I have worked to obtain citations and answer these concerns. It should be noted that this article falls under the WIKIPEDIA MARTIAL ARTS PORTAL. Consequently, criteria for notability, legitimacy, etc are set forth by the Wikipedia Martial Arts Community.

I'm off to work on other Marital Arts pages now. I've spend enough time on this puppy. Best regards Greenshinobi (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability

I'm removing the notability tag. Excluding entirely any documentation from founder (Stephen K. Hayes), there are over seven citations from books, international news papers, and different authors from Black Belt Magazine talking about this art.

Books: 1. Crudelli, Chris. "The Way of the Warrior: Martial Arts and Fighting Styles from Around the World." DK ADULT 2. Lung, Haha, Black Science : Ancient and Modern Techniques of Ninja Mind Manipulation. Paladin Press

Magazines: 1. Toller, Dennis. "Once the West's Most Celbrated Ninja, Stephen K. Hayes Moves Beyond the Assassin Image." Black Belt Magazine

News Papers: 1. Srivastava, Spriha. "The Dalai Lama: War And Peace." The Sunday Indian. December 5, 2010. 2. McCoy, Bob "The American Ninja." The Sporting News.

Furthermore, The Wikipedia Martial Arts Project has standards for notability. Criteria supporting notability:

  1. Subject of an independent article/documentary: Sole or majority subject in the media, either a news article or a TV program. Be careful with 'niche' publications; check they are not related to the school teaching it. If it is an internal magazine with an annual issue it probably isn't notable, but a style big enough to produce a widely distributed monthly magazine may well be notable—though sourcing from it should be treated as with all primary sources. 

'Black Belt Magazine did a cover multi-page feature on To Shin Do, its expansion, and its significance. Black Belt is one of the most essential sources for martial arts page citations'

2. A long externally verifiable history (i.e. secondary sources, not the club's website that says it has existed since 10,000 BC...) Sporting News and Black Belt articles answer this

3. Multiple notable practitioners.

There are a few. Both Stephen Hayes and Rumiko Hayes. Additionally, Hakim Isler is a military/martial arts author of Modern Hand To Hand Combat: Ancient Samurai Techniques on the Battlefield and in the Street. Tuttle Press.

 4. A large number of students: Try to be objective. Remember that there are over 6 billion people in the world.

Students and or full-time schools in North America, Europe, Australia.

5. Competitive successes in large inter-style tournaments: For example UFC 1

Per the Sunday Indian, "Ninja" traditions almost never participate in tournaments. This ranges from To Shin Do to Grandmaster Hatsumi's Bujinkan School

Criteria supporting deletion

  1. Short history: created in last 5–10 years (less than 2 years and significant counter arguments would be needed but remember notability is not inherited)

Founded over 15 years ago.

  2. Single/few schools that teach the art

See above, schools across the globe.

CONCLUSION With documentation from around the globe, and schools on different continents, and hundreds and hundreds of black belts this art has more merit that a majority of other arts or styles that are not questioned. For example, United Fighting Arts Federation, Chuck Norris' style/schools - has sparse documentation outside of their own publications and Black Belt Magazine. Yet, they exceed the notability standard. Greenshinobi (talk) 01:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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