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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- ... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
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dxneo (talk) 06:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich, would it help if the image was added to the article under this sub-section? And here is the video where the image was taken from, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed). Alternatively, can I use this image which is linked in the article? dxneo (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- (An aside - Apparently the license doesn't show up when I'm logged in and using Premium, but it does when logged out. Good to know). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chris Woodrich
Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Awesome. Good to go now! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay AirshipJungleman29
Done. dxneo (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dxneo:: Noting that I've tweaked the nomination to remove "(pictured)". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay AirshipJungleman29
- Chris Woodrich
@Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "
If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention.
" So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "
ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?
- If the Grammy Award wasn't enough to validate her notability, I hope the BETs got the job done. I mean, how long are we gonna discuss this DYK. dxneo (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've been away from DYK for a while, so just to confirm - is it still kosher for me to reinstate the tick for ALT1? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds okay to me. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed to decide on whether the proposed hook is interesting, and supply the appropriate icon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT1 is interesting in my opinion. I do think that it should either contain both "South African" and "Nigerian" or neither of them, but I'll let a promoter make a decision as to which.--Launchballer 18:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer, I included "South African" because there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. "Nigerian singer" will still do I guess. dxneo (talk) 21:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Peer review 1
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I've listed this article for Peer Review because I think it has the potential to become a Featured Article. dxneo (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC) Comments[edit]
I have added this article to Template:FAC peer review sidebar. Please consider reviewing other articles listed there. Z1720 (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Unreferenced material
[edit]Hello Kamo0606, any reason why you did not reference the content you added here? Honestly, I don't know how I did not notice that. dxneo (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Informal peer review
[edit]As requested on my talk, a peer review by someone who is completely unfamiliar with the topic, and for whom English is not a native language ;)
Lead
- I'd first like to know what the topic and style is, before a load of stars whose names tell me nothing.
- I wonder if collaborators who have no article are lead material.
- "The Tyla Tour was announced, some dates of which were cancelled due to injuries." - I don't see encyclopedic relevance of the cancellations.
- If the versatility is all that can be said as an example of "critical acclaim" I think we could go without any. Perhaps two more, and more specific?
- (added after reading the rest) It's not obvious to me how "lyrical themes include empowerment and relationships" is a summary of the composition and lyrics section.
Infobox
- Coming from Classical music where children without an article don't get room in their parents infobox, I keep being astonished how many names without articles get into studios and producers.
Background ...
- What's Kooldrink?
Composition ...
- Why is amapiano linked here, instead of the previous section?
- "kickstart with a raw and proudly South African sound" would be something I'd like to read in the lead.*
- what's "old-school R&B"?
- An explanation of what defines amapiano comes a para after its link, which seems too late, - early or not at all ;)
- The whole section has many details, but would not tell me a focus of the lyrics.
- The last sentence has no ref which is a no-no ;)
Promotion
- "To promote Tyla, on 5 December 2023, Tyla announced the Tyla Tour". I don't believe it ;) - I bet the whole tour was planned to promote, not just the announcement. Under "Promotion", I believe you can drop "To promote Tyla", or add "promotional" to "tour".
- With one leg cancelled and the other postponed, I think we could start saying that the tour didn't happen as planned. Do we know more about planned cities, or at least a time frame for American vs. the rest?
- I've watched discussions about the word "suffered" as not neutral.
Live ...
- probably everybody knows what "pop-up shows" are.
Reception
- I notice refs that are not in ascending numerical order, - please check for that elsewhere.
- After having read the rather commonplace reviews, I see why only versatility made it to the lead. Sigh.
The tables look good! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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