Talk:Tzuyu/Archive 1

Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2016

Remove her nicknames in "other names" parameter in the infobox, according to Template:Infobox person --> "Other notable names for the person, if different from name and birth_name.", this is not for nicknames, just like Kim Tae-yeon has "Taeyeon" as other names, it should be only "Tzuyu" here 86.58.36.235 (talk) 09:56, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Done Cannolis (talk) 10:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Flag incident to fork

Hello. The length of the flag incident section annoys me a bit. The flag incident is mainly the public, medias, and politicians discussing noisily of this case as a politically relevant illustration of China pressure on Taiwanese voice at large, reaching out teenagers as well. As such, it has little to do on a singer's article, whose life is not politics but singing. Also, it would be relevant to fork most of tthis content out into a dedicated Chou Tzuyu flag incident, mirroring the Chinese article zh:周子瑜国旗事件. Yug (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it's premature to split the content. Her career is still short, and she's best known at the moment for the flag incident. In the future, when her career has further developed and the attention on the flag incident has died town, we can split the incident to a separate article. If we split them now, we'd have to deal with the headache of maintaining two high-profile articles with similar content. -Zanhe (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2016

Please remove the following UN-CITED accusation/statement from the 2nd introductory paragraph:

• which may have affected the results of the 2016 Taiwanese general election, held the next day, in which the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party won control of Taiwan's government

It is inconsistent with another cited statement under subsection "flag controversy":

• While Tsai Ing-wen and her pro-independence party were already winning polls months before the actual elections, the situation made some reconsider their choices

The first statement implies the results may changed whereas the second implies that the expected and actual result are the same. Tifabbx (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

This article suggests there may have been a slight impact on the election.--Brian Dell (talk) 23:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Done Removed which may have affected the results of the 2016 Taiwanese general election, held the next day, in which the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party won control of Taiwan's government --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 04:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Propose Merge with Twice (band).

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I propose that Chou Tzu-yu gets merged to Twice (band). Her notability lies solely on the Taiwanese Flag incident, and it can be summed up in a sentence or two for the Twice article in my personal opinion. Tibbydibby (talk) 00:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

• No merge. Chou Tzu-yu is the only Taiwanese member of Twice and was famous in Taiwan before this Taiwanese Flag incident. And the Flag incident cannot be summed up in just one sentence or two and is not appropriate to be described in the article Twice. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per Neo-Jay. The flag incident is all about Chou Tzu-yu as a Taiwanese citizen, and little to do with the band Twice. -Zanhe (talk) 01:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support Per WP:BLP1Eand WP:SINGLEEVENT, she is notable only for this one event. Definitely merge it into the member section to something similar like this. Rockysmile11^(talk) 07:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose well, I don't think you can say she's only famous for a single event, even right now in her young career. she's notable in that she's one of the first taiwan-born and raised member to make it in the ultra-competitive k-pop scene. her visuals is notable since she is on TC Candler's 100 most beautiful faces in 2015. Lasersharp (talk) 07:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. She has WP:GNG before the flag incident. - Taiwanese teenage star on 100 most beautiful faces list, 28 Dec 2015 and Tzuyu with her mother in AppleDaily(Chinese), 22 Oct 2015 --Thomas.Lu (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Well I do have to re-iterate that WP:GNG has mentioned that "If a topic does not meet these criteria but still has some verifiable facts, it might be useful to discuss it within another article.". Tzuyu's 100 most beautiful faces list mentioned, as well as the flag incident, can still be talked about within the Twice article, as outlined by Rockysmile11. Her notability really needs to be more significant (like solo albums, or independent acting career like Chanyeol's) before she can get her own article. Because if she can be known for that flag incident controversy, then Byun Baekhyun also needs his own article around his dating incident. Tibbydibby (talk) 00:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Those two things would not have been nearly enough to give herWP:GNG before the flag incident. Remeber Minzy of 2NE1 doesn't have her own page, because you need actual things the person has done outside of their groups work to provide the notability for the separate page. Peachywink (talk) 07:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose for all the above reasons. – Smyth\^talk 11:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose a merger since an independent bio satisfies Wikipedia:Notability_(people) and WP:ENTERTAINER (the latter given the size/intensity of her fan base).--Brian Dell (talk) 03:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose Because she is a controversial figure. She waved flag of Republic of China which is controversial, and I hate her. So I oppose to merge.--Shwangtianyuan STRONGLY CONDEMNS 2016 North Korean nuclear test 03:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support While this incedent did get some level of worldwide attention since it was mentioned alongside articles on the Taiwanese election I fail to see it as needing this in-depth of an article on it. Maybe 4 senteces and it can go on the group page until the member has done more work to warrant her getting a separate one. Peachywink (talk) 07:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
• Speedy or Snowball keep for obvious reasons. The article meets GNG even before the incident. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 11:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

  And, it meets WP:1E : "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." the incident does not only have effect on the election but may be also worth mentioning in Cross-Strait relations and 1992 Consensus related topics. This incident reveals the vagueness of the 1992 Consensus and the conflict of opinion of the people from two sides of the Strait on this consensus, and is embarrasing to CCP and Kuomintang, it even forces some Chinese official media to criticise their "patriotic" netizens, which is pretty rare to see. The incident will be discussed, CCP, Kuomintang and a lot of Chinese/Taiwanese will think about this for a long time. All of those things make this incident significant. It is really a big incident in China/Taiwan. Chinese Wikipedia has seperated articles for the singer and the incident, and no one says anything about their notability, meanwhile in English Wikipedia we are considering keeping no article for either, it is so... different, considering English and Chinese Wikipedia have almost the same policy and guidelines and should do the same when treating articles' notability. --Tomchen1989 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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Korean

please change ((Korean)) to ((Korean language|Korean))

Did you one better and added in the appropriate Hangul links that should be present at the start of an article like this. Good catch.Katzenlibrary (talk) 16:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Done --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 16:35, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Tzuyu's ethnicity

My edit of putting Tzuyu's ethnicity as Han Chinese was undone many times. Here is the source http://m.ijq.tv/mingxing/pinglun/14530256383510_1.html, http://top.todayonhistory.com/a/201601/28283.html To those who say that listing her ethnicity as Han Chinese will add fuel to fire. This will not affect her at all as she is in a matter of fact a Han Chinese like 98% of Taiwanese people. Reminder : Taiwanese is not an ethnicity but a nationality. Basically Taiwanese people are ethnic Han Chinese who are from Taiwan. Stating her ethnicity as Han Chinese doesnt equal listing her as from Mainland China. Most overseas ethnic Chinese are of Han Chinese descent as well.

FYI:

民族 : 汉族 translates to Ethnicity : Han Chinese

Please fill up her ethnicity part as well. Thank you. 115.164.177.36 (talk) 09:26, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I edited the layout of your comment a bit so it would be easier to read for others, but didn't change anything you wrote, I hope that's okay with you. I also have a quetion: Are these reliable sources? I'm sorry to ask but I can't really tell from them as one seems like it could be a user written profile and the other is an article about her scandal and it's important to establish the writer is a credible news source. I'm not saying I'm against adding it just that I would prefer if we could get more than one opinion on these sources. Peachywink (talk) 18:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm okay with it. And yes they are reliable sources. Tzuyu is a Han Chinese. 115.164.214.169 (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Citizenship

Is this parameter really needed? Template:Infobox person says this "should only be used if citizenship cannot be inferred from the birthplace". Also, it keeps being switched back and forth from Republic of China and Taiwan, even though they are the same thing. If this parameter stays I think it should be Taiwan since that is the name of the article. Random86 (talk) 18:37, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

• I agree that the parameter isn't necessary since her nationality is currently the same as her birth place. If the parameter stays, I would say her nationality should be listed as "Taiwan". In the intro sentence of an article, the common practice across Wikipedia appears to be to refer to citizens of Taiwan as "Taiwanese" rather than "Chinese". I would argue that this practice would extend to the infobox, as seen in articles such as Yani Tseng and Ed Hill (comedian).Katzenlibrary (talk) 19:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Move to Tzuyu

This page should be moved to Tzuyu as it is her professional name and what everyone knows her by. I previously tried to move it to that, only for it to be reverted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperius1255 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Anyone searching for "Tzuyu" arrives here automatically thanks to the redirect (try it!), so changing the article title is unnecessary. I'm glad you've set up a Wikipedia account and are trying to contribute, but moving a page that has been around for years under the same title without first discussing it can be seen as a move against consensus. Posting to the talk page now is a good idea. Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Bakazaka (talk) 00:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

And already indeffed. Bakazaka (talk) 01:16, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

I am reviving this old discussion. I agree that the article should be moved to Tzuyu. Most the other Twice members articles use the mononyms: Nayeon, Jeongyeon, Sana (singer), Dahyun. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 14:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Actually, pretty much all sources from 2016 flag incident uses Chou Tzu-yu, and "singer" part is not needed at all as there is no other notable thing named "Tzuyu". Snowflake91 (talk) 15:10, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I guess you can revert me if you want then. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 15:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I do find this article weird how it calls Tzuyu "Chou" always, like i dont know of anyone who does that, except i guess for some of the sources. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 15:24, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

This is formal encyclopedic format that Wikipedia uses - WP:SURNAME Evaders99 (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes but Tzuyu is known mononymously so it's different to referring to a historian or something like that. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

It was now moved to just Tzuyu as this "Tzuyu (singer)" or any other word after the name was completely useless, there is no other notable entry named "Tzuyu", even if this is her first name its super rare in this form, I wonder how many other people are actually named "Tzu-yu" with romanization like that. Snowflake91 (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, good move. Im going to try to fix all the twice member pages a little bit today, including this one. They could all be better sourced. (Edit: update, added more sources which use Tzuyu.) Apples&Manzanas (talk) 00:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Add tamil language for chou Tzuyu

We want Tzuyu biography in Tamil language also... Pls create a Tamil language page link Thank you R.GOKUL KUMAR (talk) 22:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, need a tamil language page for tzuyu and about her biography and we are also looking forward to colab with her in future. Harishmaniv007 (talk) 05:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. Go to the Tamil language one and start an article there. Evaders99 (talk) 06:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Guidelines

Doesn't this page break wiki guidelines? 2/3 of it mentions her flag incident. I can't remember what guidelines it is on wiki but I remember an incident like this a few years ago and people removed it. I don't think it should be removed, but at least bulked down. Or maybe give it its own page. Tagging some people who edit here and on Twice page to see what people think. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 16:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't really think this incident needs its own page. However, it takes up way too much space on her article and I agree it should be cut down considerably, leaving only the main points and the most notable effects. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 19:58, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nkon21: I think the sections about reaction to Huang An and JYP can be summed up in a few sentences. As of now her page kind of reads like a political event. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 05:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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This has become more of a WP:COATRACK article of the incident rather than the artist. I'd support either a content fork or a major cutdown in the existing article.21:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)