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Century Sky

An anon posted the following to the bottom of the article. I've moved it here for reference, as the article may require corrections if the post is accurate. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 16:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Please note that Century Sky is no longer in service with Viking's China programs.
You may check on VikingRiverCruises.com and find the 2009 programs all does not include Century Sky.
I am a travel agent in China —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.50.213.179 (talkcontribs) 08:11, 6 March 2009

Comment

This comment is true and the matter has been fixed. 74.62.46.90 (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Major update in the works

Viking River Cruises has now become Viking Cruises. I am working on a comprehensive update, the upshot of which will leave us with a detailed Viking Cruises article that includes both the river and ocean cruise parts of the business and a very short Viking River Cruises article that points users to Viking Cruises for more information (more of a stub than a redirect). I have created the new Viking Cruises page in my sandbox and am ready to request review for publication (I will add the proper logo afterward, since WikiMedia advises me to publish the article first). This comment is by way of explanation about what I am doing, so the reviewers will understand. Any questions or concerns, please let me know. Thanks! Julane (talk) 17:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Bahnfrend added a link to a review of a specific cruise at traveler.com.au to the external links section, which I initially reverted (Bahnfrend then reverted my revert instead of discussing it here per WP:BRD). I don't feel that an external link to a review of a specific cruise on a specific ship is appropriate for an article on the company in general. Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID: "...a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject". This review would be an okay external link for an article on the Viking Var or the Middle Rhine, but is too specific to be an external link on an article as broad as this, and the review is mostly about sites on the river and barely touches on the ship or the company. --Ahecht (TALK
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The company's core business is operating holiday tours along the Rhine River between Basel (the company's European operating base) and Amsterdam. The article describes such a tour, and is an appropriate external link for that reason. Persons travelling on such a tour experience more than just the travel, accommodation and meals on board the ship; they also visit places along the way, often on day tours operated by the company. The article is published by one of the leading media organisations in Australia. There is no separate Wikipedia article about the ship, which is one of a large number of similar ships operated by the company. Bahnfrend (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

COI/advert tags

I've added a conflict of interest tag to this article. This signifies to readers that the article has been directly edited by someone with a conflict of interest, and is likely to have bias, in the form of missing negative content, overemphasis on "positives", non-neutral language (all of which are violations of the WP:NPOV content policy), and is likely to have unsourced or poorly sourced content, in violation of the WP:VERIFY content policy. It is likely that the content promotes the subject of the article, in violation of the WP:PROMO policy. Independent editors need to review the article and correct it, and then may remove the tag. If you do so, please leave a note here. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

NOTPROXY

The content below is basically copied from Viking Cruises website. Per WP:PROMO, Wikipedia is not a proxy for the company's website. Am moving a whole bunch of stuff here.


Ships cruising in Russia
Ship name Year built/refurbished Length Crew Guests Staterooms Comments Website
Viking Akun 1990/2014 423 ft. 115 204 102 Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-akun/index.html
Viking Helgi 1984/2013 423 ft. 115 204 102 Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-helgi/index.html
Viking Ingvar 1990/2013 423 ft. 115 204 102 Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ingvar/index.html
Viking Truvor 1987/2013 423 ft. 115 204 102 Refurbished with suites and veranda staterooms http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-truvor/index.html
Ships cruising in Asia
Ship name Year built/refurbished Length Crew Guests Staterooms Comments Website
Viking Emerald 2011 361 ft. 138 246 132 Sailing on the Yangtze River, China http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-emerald/index.html
Viking Mandalay 2002/2013 180 ft. 28 60 30 Sailing on the Irrawaddy River, Myanmar (Burma)
Viking Mekong 2012 168 ft. 25 60 30 Sailing on the Mekong River, Vietnam & Cambodia http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mekong/index.html
Ships cruising in Egypt
Ship name Year built/refurbished Length Crew Guests Staterooms Comments Website
MS Mayfair 2007/2011 280 ft. 75 160 80 Sailing on the Nile River, Egypt http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/ms-mayfair/index.html
MS Omar El Khayam 2007/2011 280 ft. 75 160 80 Sailing on Lake Nasser, Egypt http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/omar-el-khayam/index.html
Viking Ra 2017 413 ft. 55 48 24 Sailing on the Nile River, Egypt https://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/egypt/viking-ra.html


Ships cruising in Europe
Ship name Year built/refurbished Class Length Crew Guests Staterooms Comments Website
Viking Longship Aegir 2012 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-aegir/index.html
Viking Longship Alruna 2016 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-alruna/index.html
Viking Longship Alsvin 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-alsvin/index.html
Viking Longship Atla 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-atla/index.html
Viking Longship Baldur 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-baldur/index.html
Viking Longship Bestla 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Bragi 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-bragi/index.html
Viking Longship Buri 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-buri/index.html
Viking Longship Delling 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-delling/index.html
Viking Longship Egil 2016 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-egil/index.html
Viking Longship Eir 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-eir/index.html
Viking Longship Eistla 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Embla 2012 Viking Longship 439.6 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-embla/index.html
Viking Longship Forseti 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-forseti/index.html
Viking Longship Freya 2012 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Longship Gefjon 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-gefjon/index.html
Viking Longship Gullveig 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-gullveig/index.html
Viking Longship Heimdal 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-heimdal/index.html
Viking Longship Hermod 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hermod/index.html
Viking Longship Hlin 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hlin/index.html
Viking Longship Idi 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-idi/index.html
Viking Longship Idun 2012 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-idun/index.html
Viking Longship Ingvi 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ingvi/index.html
Viking Longship Jarl 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-jarl/index.html
Viking Longship Kadlin 2016 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kadlin/index.html
Viking Longship Kara 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kara/index.html
Viking Longship Kvasir 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-kvasir/index.html
Viking Longship Lif 2014 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-lif/index.html
Viking Longship Lofn 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-lofn/index.html
Viking Longship Magni 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-magni/index.html
Viking Longship Mani 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mani/index.html
Viking Longship Mimir 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-mimir/index.html
Viking Longship Modi 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-modi/index.html
Viking Longship Njord 2012 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-njord/index.html
Viking Longship Odin 2012 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-odin/index.html
Viking Longship Rinda 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-rinda/index.html
Viking Longship Rolf 2016 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-rolf/index.html
Viking Longship Skadi 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-skadi/index.html
Viking Longship Skirnir 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-skirnir/index.html
Viking Longship Tialfi 2016 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-tialfi/index.html
Viking Longship Tor 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-tor/index.html
Viking Longship Var 2013 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivers cruising in Russiases.com/ships/viking-var/index.html
Viking Longship Ve 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-ve/index.html
Viking Longship Vidar 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vidar/index.html
Viking Longship Vilhjalm 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vilhjalm/index.html#noscroll
Viking Longship Vili 2015 Viking Longship 443 ft. 50 190 95 Diesel-electric hybrid engines http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-vili/index.html
Viking Hemming 2014 Douro 262 ft. 36 106 53 Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-hemming/index.html
Viking Torgil 2014 Douro 262 ft. 36 106 53 Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-torgil/index.html
Viking Osfrid 2016 Douro 262 ft. 36 106 53 Sailing on the Douro River, Portugal http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-osfrid/index.html
Viking Astrild 2015 Elbe 361 ft. 28 98 49 Sailing on the Elbe River http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-astrild/index.html
Viking Beyla 2015 Elbe 361 ft. 28 98 49 Sailing on the Elbe River http://www.vikingrivercruises.com/ships/viking-beyla/index.html
Viking Fontane 1991/2010 Original Elbe 311 ft. 28 110 55 Sailing on the Elbe River
Viking Schumann 1991/2010 Original Elbe 311 ft. 28 110 55 Sailing on the Elbe River
Viking Legend 2009 Prestige 443 ft. 44 189 98 Diesel-electric hybrid engines
Viking Prestige 2011 Prestige 443 ft. 44 189 97 Sailing on the Elbe River


Cruise Ship Fleet
Ship name Year built/launching Class Length Crew Guests Staterooms Website Image
Viking Star 2015 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465 http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-star/index.html
Viking Sea 2016 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465 http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sea/index.html
Viking Sky 2017 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465 http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sky/index.html
Viking Sun 2017 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465 http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-sun/index.html
Viking Spirit 2018 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465 http://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/ships/viking-spirit/index.html
TBA 2019 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465
TBA 2021 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465
TBA 2022 Small Ocean Ship 745.4 ft. 465 930 465


-- Jytdog (talk) 04:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Excessively long lists of ships

Does anyone object to me moving them to a separate article? Edwardx (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

They don't belong in Wikipedia. Sourced entirely to their website and per WP:PROMO Wikipedia is not proxy for the websites of article subjects. Jytdog (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
In principle I don't have a problem with a stand alone list of ships of a particular shipping line. Existing examples include List of ships of the Illawarra Steam Navigation Company and List of P&O Ferries ships. Arguably Wikipedia should have more such lists than it does at the moment. Whether such a list is appropriate for this particular shipping line is another matter. I think it would be, primarily because the shipping line is well known, operates worldwide, and has a large fleet. Another option might be to create an equivalent of the German language article de:Viking Longships, which is about the single class of ships that makes up most of that fleet. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Posssibly coming in late, a seperate article with neutral presentation would be a good idea Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Could not verify patent numbers for longboat design

I wanted to look at the patents for the longboat cabin configuration designs. The article indicates the patent numbers (1832106-0001 and 1832106-0011) and that these are US patents -- but they are not found on either the USPTO or google patents websites... These patents need to be confirmed in the article and/or corrected/removed if needed. 172.85.18.26 (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.85.18.26 (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

They should be prefixed D (for design) and the numbers after the dash should be ignored, I think that is just a revision number. So we are looking for D1832106. There is no such patent number on the US patent database as I think you've discovered. However that patent number would have been issued in 1958 so is not in the main on-line database which only goes back to 1976. Numbers issued for 1999/2000 woud be in the range D403485 - D435712. I did try adding "D4" to the front of the number but got a list of 50,000 possible hits!
Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed edits

I have declared my COI above, and would like to propose edits to the page, to bring it up to speed. I've condensed it, brought in better sources when necessary, and aimed to make it encyclopedic. See here for my proposed edits. Thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

No thank you. Please propose individual specific changes. We are unpaid volunteers and have neither the time nor interest to compare two possible versions of an article. Edwardx (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
I am available to compare both versions and report back here with the results prior to implementation — which looks likely, from what I've seen so far. As they've been a long time contributor to this page, I would like the input of Jytdog (talk) on this as well, before any changes are made.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  23:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you.--Bernie44 (talk) 00:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Please be aware that I am a close reader, and I will be making sure that everything is actually cited to a reliable source, and I will remove anything advertising-y. I will also go looking for negative information to ensure that NPOV is met. Are you sure this is ready for review? (I took a quick glance and this Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships seems to be unsourced, and it later says Viking started to build "longships" in 2012....) Jytdog (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

My report on those changes:

  • The claim "Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed Longships" exists in the standing version, and is kept in the proposed version. The claim's veracity is unknown.
  • The "Company History" has been condensed and renamed "History", omitting many irrelevant facts from various ship sizes, etc., and dates acquired. The Guinness World Records claim is retained.
  • No dates or quantities kept in the proposed version have been altered from the standing version, with the exception of the number of ships shown in the lead. The proposed version delineates "river vessels" as numbering 62 and "ocean ships" as 4. The standing version makes no such distinctions, placing their number of ships at "more than 60."
  • The Viking expansion into North America with offices in LA has been listed in the proposed version as occurring in the year 2000. This is not mentioned in the standing version.
  • The standing version's infobox shows the HQ's as LA. The proposed version deletes LA, replacing it with Basel. An explanation is provided in the text of the proposed version ("The company's operations center is in Basel, Switzerland, with its marketing headquarters in Los Angeles, California."[14]).
  • The proposed version deletes the standing version's "Amenities" subheading entirely, which was heavily laden with an advertising-like tone.
  • The proposed version deletes the standing version's "Awards" subheading, also heavily laden with advertising-like tone.
  • The media section has been renamed "Sponsorhips".
  • There is no change to the three pictures featured in the article.

Delete I would suggest deleting from the proposed version this sentence (which also exists in the standing version):

  • "Their cruises are geared primarily toward English-speaking customers in North America, the United Kingdom and Australia." (and the reference for it, No. 15)
The claim statement mentioned by Jytdog
Standing version Proposed version
Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed Longships, adding 6 to the fleet in 2012, 10 of the same in 2013, 18 in 2014, 12 in 2015, 6 in 2016[1] and 2 in 2017.[2] The number of ships built in 2013 and 2014 represented a world record and was noted in the Guinness Book of World Records.[3] Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships. The company began a rapid growth in 2012,[4][5] adding 54 ships to its fleet over a five-year period.[4][6] The 28 combined ships built in 2013 and 2014 represented a world record, which was noted in the Guinness Book of World Records.[7]

References

  1. ^ “Six new river ships in a day? Rapid Viking expansion continues,” USA Today, March 1, 2016, https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2016/03/01/viking-river-cruises-ships-christening/81143364/
  2. ^ “Two more new Viking river ships debut in Germany,” USA Today, March 7, 2017, https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2017/03/07/viking-river-cruises-ship-naming/98880670/
  3. ^ “Viking Sets Another Guinness World Record in Christening New Longships,” Travel Agent Central, March 19, 2014, http://www.travelagentcentral.com/cruises/viking-sets-another-guinness-world-record-christening-new-longships-45145
  4. ^ a b Gene Sloan, "Viking River Cruises to add seven new ships in 2019," USA Today, October 26, 2017.
  5. ^ Elaine Glusac, "Interest in European River Cruises Soars," New York Times, June 29, 2012.
  6. ^ "Six new river ships in a day? Rapid Viking expansion continues," USA Today, March 1, 2016.
  7. ^ "Viking Sets Another Guinness World Record in Christening New Longships," Travel Agent Central, March 19, 2014.

 Spintendo  ᔦᔭ  00:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

That was intense. :) I was just asking Bernie if he is really ready for review. This is the first time i have reviewed his work (and his first time having me review it) so I just wanted to give him a heads up. When he says is ready I will go to work! And in the meaintime, of course please do as you will. Jytdog (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you both. I've gone through the draft again and made a few edits. Jytdog, I am ready for your review.--Bernie44 (talk) 02:42, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Very minor point, perhaps the sentence "Since 2000, the company has built nearly all of its own river ships, uniquely designed longships. should read …own river ships, the uniquely designed longships. (italics just for emphasis here) Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jytdog, just checking in to see if you have had a chance to review my proposed edits. Thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 15:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for following up! Not yet - but will get to this soon. Jytdog (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)