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"Giuseppe Bonifati" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Why do I need a secondary source?[edit]

if I am providing a valid source for an update - why am I being told to add a secondary source. Does that mean the one I used does not provide enough? Aliperkins91 (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aliperkins91 Thank you. A secondary source, not a second source. Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Citing sources, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Edwardx (talk) 18:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I understand secondary source - but the one I provided was a PDF from the state secretaries website. So is that not enough to be a secondary source? Does it need to be an article with an author? 136.29.34.197 (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:PSTS. Edwardx (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Howard McCleod[edit]

Pinging you because of your past involvement with the article: an IP has appeared to make some edits that I have some COI concerns about at Howard McLeod. Perhaps you'd watchlist the article for a while? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. IT is on my watchlist (22,000 pages, but many are old AfDs). Have left a warning message at User talk:134.215.247.38. I have been getting better at leaving such messages, thanks to Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Edwardx (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"serving as" non-neutral?[edit]

Hi, can you point me to the policy or discussion where it was determined that "serving as" is non-neutral language? cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, anastrophe. I am not aware of any discusssion, and it is not an easy thing to search for. It is a subject that I have been thinking of raising at Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view or Wikipedia:Village pump. As for policy, perhaps WP:WIKIVOICE, "Prefer nonjudgmental language. A neutral point of view neither sympathizes with nor disparages its subject ..." I have largely been removing this sort of language from business biographies, especially as it is almost never found in the articles of the most prominent businesspeople. For example, rather than "John Doe serves as the CEO of XYZ Inc", a more neutral phrasing would be "John Doe is the CEO of XYZ Inc". With the added benefits of brevity and clarity. Just because the business press sometimes use "serves/serving as" does not make it encyclopaedic. I am also sceptical as to whether we should be using it for politicians and military personnel (where these are paid roles), but have avoided removing it in those cases as that may be more contentious. Edwardx (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but I'm still unclear in what way describing someone as serving a particular position or role is non-neutral - it doesn't sympathize with nor disparage the subject in any way that I can discern. Politicians and military personnel work within the broader scope of what is commonly and accurately characterized as "public service". With the exception of extremely minor public service, such as serving on a small town's city council, where the members only fill that role part-time and earn a living elsewhere, those in public service aren't expected to work for free. Being paid doesn't change what their role is. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 22:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When private sector companies use "serves/serving as" (and they only do this for the most senior staff), they do this to encourage us to (at least subconciously) see some sort of equivalence between private sector business roles and what you describe as "public service". Edwardx (talk) 22:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But is that the case? I hate to throw out the original research argument, but that's what this appears to be. Absent a concrete policy stating that the terminology is overtly violating WP:NEUTRAL, rather than an individual editor's notion about what the term might mean, I think you should bring the matter up in the appropriate place for broader discussion, rather than imposing this as a blanket change. I'm unable to find any reliable sources that support your opinion on this. I've seen 'serving as' used to describe a "low level" customer service representative position - that's why it's described as "customer service". cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, anastrophe. The most appropriate venue to facilitate a wider discussion is likely to be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography. Incidentally, I have searched the archives there for "serves as", "served as" and "serving as", and have found nothing pertinent. I intend to post something there later today. Edwardx (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And thank you, Edwardx. I'll keep an eye open over there. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 17:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have started Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#"Serving/serves/served_as". The input of other editors would be very much appreciated. Edwardx (talk) 19:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You delete my edition[edit]

There are many links and discussion. Which one do you want to add? ... Majority of Jews (80%) are on Humanitarian/Palestinian side !!! Let say 90% new foreign settlers and atheistic Zionists (of probably 2 mio in Israel) are some not enough informed are against because of material and other profits regardless on all humanitarian standards of our civilisation in 21th century - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba should be the last one !!! In other way - we are in 3rd WW JurijBavdaz (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/world/middleeast/israel-haredi-military-service-idf.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffzmqbGbFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH0Lr2nM2qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuHgaTdysY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta#Relations_with_the_Palestinians JurijBavdaz (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, JurijBavdaz. I presume you are talking about Robert Kraft#Philanthropy, where you added controversial content without any citation. I have now added something there, properly cited. Of those sources you mention, only the NY Times would be suitable, and only if it specifically mentioned Robert Kraft, which I suspect it does not (paywalled to me). 15:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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