Talk:Watch Dogs: Legion

Adding the leak on Amazon.co.uk

Hi, do we add to the article that the game was leaked on Amazon.co.uk last Tuesday?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithr32 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

With a proper citation yes. Other games frequently have brief mentions of leaks (i.e. see basically every single Assassin's Creed game ever). QueerFilmNerd^talk 21:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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Product description on Amazon.co.uk

Product description on Amazon.co.uk

^{User talk:Smithr32} 21:55, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

This shouldn't receive undue weight, though, as the leak happened a measly three days before the E3 PC, while a teaser came on the same day. In the Development section maybe say, "Several details for the game were leaked ahead of the E3 presentation through listings published on Amazon.co.uk.", or similar. Lordtobi (✉) 21:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Watch Dogs: Legion

The game appears to be written with a colon, as Watch Dogs: Legion. Cf. the website, for example. Didn't want to interfere in any current editing, but in general, should we move the page? Lordtobi (✉) 22:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Looks like you were way ahead of me in noticing. Made sense to move the page. Cognissonance (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

National ties related to both language and dates

As per DATERET, we should discuss changing from the original format of using MDY dates and US english to DYM Dtates and British English: Ubisoft itself is French, its being developed by one of their Canadian studios, and the game is decisively British. I assume dates were added here in MDY in good faith, but we can have concensus to change that, so seeking to see if there's any major opposition to making this change... --Masem (t) 16:29, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

• Generally agree, but the same should apply to the other articles in the series, both which currently use AE and mdy, to have it streamlined. Both older articles qualify for the same reasons, except setting. Lordtobi (✉) 16:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't know if the series needs to be consistent not. One could start to beg the question if other Ubisoft games should be dmy too. The DATERET stuff is meant for consistent within a single page, not across multiple pages. --Masem (t) 16:38, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
• Isn't DMY used for British English? Either way it this article should not be based on American standard and should probably be change to British English. Spy-cicle (talk) 21:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Date format and language are two different things. I agree both should be changed for this article, but just switching to DMY doesnt require use to use Brit-English, for example. --Masem (t) 16:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Change American English to British English

Firstly, this article has nothing to do with America. It is published by French company, developed by Canadian company and set in the UK. And with video games it is typical that wherever it is set the Language styling should follow. Spy-cicle (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

This is already discussed in the above section. Lordtobi (✉) 16:57, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Date Format

Since this article is in British English shouldn't this article use DMY instead of MDY. I think there is a useful script that can be used to change it.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 17:42, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

No, there's no requirement that the style of English used extend to the date format used. Reviewing the history, the date format started as mdy so it shouldn't be changed haphazardly (but if we agree by consensus to do so, that's fine). --Masem (t) 18:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@Masem: In MOS:DATETIES it states: "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. For the United States this is (for example) July 4, 1976; for most other English-speaking countries it is 4 July 1976." So in this case it would make the most sense for it to be in DMY as opposed to MDY since it is in British English.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 18:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I know that exists, but WP:DATERET is the principle policy against changing the date from the established format. I would just make sure there's consensus to do change the format first. --Masem (t) 18:24, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Good point, I will.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 18:32, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree that it would make sense to change to DMY. This was discussed above in June 2019 in the context of both language and date format, and the article has subsequently moved to British English (seemingly on the basis of national ties). I note that date and language are not the same thing, but if the question in respect of both is national ties, it stands to reason that if the ties are sufficient to use BrE they are just as compelling to use DMY. I see the point in relation to WP:DATERET, but unless I am missing something, could the same not have been said in relation to maintaining AmE (looking briefly at MOS:RETAIN)? Perhaps someone can clarify why date format ought to be any different. Hilbertgilbertson (talk) 18:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Agree per above  Nixinova   T   C   07:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 11:32, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Bloodline reception

Should a section for Bloodline’s reviews be in the “Reception” section along with the main game? Swordclash117 (talk) 08:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I really want to know how Much Time take a season

You should write it Time of a season 70.54.158.190 (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Title style

Hi Knightoftheswords281, it's unnecessary to point out the styling of the stylt, per WP:MOSTM, and WP:MOSTMRULES. It's not a trademark, but a fancy style of writing the title. It's not what reliable sources use either.

You're correct that rather often articles mention it, but there's definitely consensus not to mention it unnecessarily. See these two archived discussions here and more recently here. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 06:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Soetermans

I haven't read anywhere in WP:MOSTM that explicitly condemns the inclusion of stylizations. Additionally, the linked discussions don't appear to have established WP:CONSENSUS.

If it bothers you a lot, the stylization could be condensed into a note by the bolded title. Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knightoftheswords281, thanks for your reply. I've got a ton of work to do today, I've asked WT:VG people to help out. Hopefully I got time later tonight to reply properly (I'm on UTC+1). soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 06:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

The title doesn't seem to be stylized anywhere besides the boxart, making noting any stylization a case of WP:OR. In this case it doesn't require it at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I think if Ubisoft themselves used the stylization it would be fine, but if it's just the logo it's not worth including. DecafPotato (talk) 05:07, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

MOS:TMRULES is relevant here, and notes to avoid the use of special characters that are "not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (...) unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name", followed by a few examples. Further down, at MOS:TMSTYLE, the third paragraph states: "When a stylization appears only in a logo rather than within text (in either primary or independent reliable sources), it generally does not need to be mentioned at the top of the article". On the subject of video games, the lambda in the title of No Man's Sky only appears in the logo, therefore isn't treated as an alternate spelling, it's just a substitute for the letter A, and the sources covering the game reflect this. Likewise I don't see the stylization of the word "Legion" being reflected in the sources covering this game beyond the box art. Even primary sources (such as the game's Steam page) call it "Legion". ReneeWrites (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Zxcvbnm, DecafPotato and ReneeWrites for the input. Does this help explain it, Knightoftheswords281? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, my apologies. Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

As the person who started this article, I do not see anything all that wrong with mentioning the style within reference to MOS:TMSTYLE (and I believe it should be mentioned somewhere in the article) however if RSs do not mention it enough, a compromise solution could be to put it in an efn (simliar to Red Dead Redemption 2).  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 00:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

A quick Google search shows plenty of RS'es using both Red Dead Redemption 2 and Red Dead Redemption II. That's clearly not the same case as the unnecessarily all capital letters WATCH DOGS LΞGION vs. Watch Dogs Legion. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 05:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Really, the only time we should be calling out a style aspect is when there is a serious deviation from how the game is normally called and how it is marketed. A prime example is F.E.A.R. 3, which the box art is clearly showing the unusual "F.3.A.R" (but is never used by any reputable source). Things like all-caps, individual font or color changes (eg we ignore the portal using for Portal (video game)'s cover), flip-flops between numeric and roman numerals like RDR2... that's all super trivial and details we don't need. Masem (t) 13:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)