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Waterloo Column

... that West Germany, wary of French reaction, nixed a plan for Queen Elizabeth II to lay a wreath at the Waterloo Column (pictured) commemorating German soldiers who died at the Battle of Waterloo?

Source: ^[1]

ALT1: ... that the Waterloo Column (pictured), at 46.31 metres (151.9 ft) tall, stood intact during World War II bombing, commemorating a time when another coalition of allies had stood against Napoleon's expansionism? Source: ^[2]
ALT2: ... ~~that the statue of the goddess of victory atop the Waterloo Column (pictured) commemorating the allied victory at the Battle of Waterloo is 6.3 metres (21 ft), made of iron and copper?~~ Source: ^[3]
ALT3: ... ~~that the barrels of eight field cannons captured in the Battle of Waterloo are incorporated into the Waterloo Column (pictured) commemorating Germans who died in that battle?~~ Source: ^[3]
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Created by Rufus the Unqualified (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Mandarax Thank you for taking the time to look at my DKY and edit the first lead. I was able to shorten the hook and I think it should work now. Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 00:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC) *[reply]
This is not a full review: I added three citation needed tags where the paragraph had an unclear source. Flibirigit (talk) 15:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Flibirigit, thanks for taking the time to look over my articles. I think I've added in the necessary references to the article. Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reviewing... thanks for the added citations. Will post a full review by tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 03:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - ?
Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article created December 15, and nominated four days later. Length and sourcing are adequate. The article appears neutral in tone. I copyedited some wordiness and subjective words. I found no plagiarism concerns, and fixed a directly attributed quote. All images used in the article have a public domain license on the Commons. The nominated image is used in the article, clear at a low resolution, but would benefit from cropping and centering the column. QPQ is not required. All of the hooks are reasonably interesting, but the wordings and location of citations need adjustments. When a hook is supported by more than one sentence in the article, each sentence needs a citation directly at its end as per WP:DYKHFC. ALT0 uses "West Germany", where the article uses "Federal Republic of Germany" and "German government". This should be more similar/consistent. ALT1 uses "coalition of allies" whereas the article uses "coalition of powers", and does not mention Napoleon in the same paragraph. For ALT2, the wikilink goddess of victory does not appear in the article, so it cannot be verified. The wording in ALT3 seems like the eight field cannons are commemorating the Germans, rather than the column itself. Overall, this is a decent first attempted at a DYK. Flibirigit (talk) 15:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck ALT1, and copied below the reworded hook as suggested by the nominator. Flibirigit (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a: ... that the Waterloo Column (pictured), at 46.31 metres (151.9 ft) tall, stood intact during World War II bombing, commemorating a time when another coalition of allies had stood against Napoleon's expansionism? Source: ^[2]
ALT1b:... that the Waterloo Column (pictured), at 46.31 metres (151.9 ft) tall, stood intact during Allied bombing in World War II, commemorating a time when another coalition had stood against Napoleon's expansionism? Source: ^[2]Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 01:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck ALT3, rewrote below. I think subject/verb agreement now takes care of the ambiguity you mentioned. Also, if possible, I would like to keep the picture as is, since I like how it situates the column, with the church in the background etc. Thanks for everything so far. I think I'm ready to have it looked at again, if possible.Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 02:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3a: ...that the barrels of eight field cannons captured in the Battle of Waterloo are incorporated into the Waterloo Column (pictured), which commemorates Germans who died in that battle? Source: ^[3]

ALT0 is now verified by the cited source. ALT1a/b both claim "bombing", where the article states "despite damage to surrounding military targets". Please clarify and make more similar. The cited source[1] for ALT2 states that the statue is made of copper and iron, but I do not see a height of the statue. Please clarify. ALT3a is now verified by the cited source. Flibirigit (talk) 01:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1c:... that, although nearby buildings were damaged by Allied bombing in World War II, the 46.31 m (151.9 ft) tall Waterloo Column (pictured) stood intact, commemorating a time when another coalition had stood against Napoleon's expansionism? Source: ^[2]Rufus the Unqualified
ALT1d:... that, though nearby buildings were damaged by bombing in World War II, the 46.31 m (151.9 ft) tall Waterloo Column (pictured) stood intact, commemorating a time when a coalition stood against Napoleon? Source: ^[2]Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 03:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1e:... that, though nearby buildings were damaged by Allied bombing in World War II, the 46.31 m (151.9 ft) tall Waterloo Column (pictured) stood intact, commemorating a time when a coalition stood against Napoleon? Source: ^[2]
ALT2a: ... that the statue of the goddess of victory atop the Waterloo Column (pictured) commemorating the allied victory at the Battle of Waterloo is 6.3 metres (21 ft), made of iron and copper? Source: ^[4]

Apologies, I seem to have gotten my citations mixed up for ALT2a, but now they ought to be correct in the article and the hook. I hope ALT1e works okay now as well, though I am hoping to have ALT0 be the one that goes through in any event.Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT0, ALT2a, ALT3a. Each of those three hooks are now properly mentioned in the article, and verified by the sources. I have struck ALT1a/b/e since all of them use the word "bombing" which is not mentioned anywhere in the Waterloo Column article. Nomination adheres to all other DYK criteria as per my review. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 15:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Norton-Taylor, Richard (2015-06-09). "Waterloo: A German victory?". the Guardian. Retrieved 2024-12-19.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f "A damned serious business". Virtual Exhibitions. 1916-11-15. Retrieved 2024-12-04.
^ ^a ^b ^c "Waterloosäule". Denkmalatlas Niedersachsen (in German). 2020-01-31. Retrieved 2024-12-05.
^ "Waterloosäule". Geschichte unterwegs (in German). Retrieved 2024-12-11.

[o351-1] Norton-Taylor, Richard (2015-06-09). "Waterloo: A German victory?". the Guardian. Retrieved 2024-12-19.

[w029-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f "A damned serious business". Virtual Exhibitions. 1916-11-15. Retrieved 2024-12-04.

[g632-3] "Waterloosäule". Denkmalatlas Niedersachsen (in German). 2020-01-31. Retrieved 2024-12-05.

[d395-4] "Waterloosäule". Geschichte unterwegs (in German). Retrieved 2024-12-11.

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