Talk:Zack Snyder's Justice League/Archive 2

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Movie vs. Mini-series: Rise of Edit Wars

I thought I'd try and pre-empt the innevitable edit warring due to occur as a result of Zack Snyder's recent comment that the ZSJL will release as a "one shot" movie. This may well be how Zack Snyder is filming it, and is undoubtedly his preferred style of release, but as far as we're aware HBO max's plan to release it as a four-part mini-series (and then a four-hour movie afterward) has not changed. As such, and until this changes, I believe the article should continue to refer to ZSJL as a mini-series primarily. Of course, this is one man's POV; I would like to see if there is a consensus for this position, or one for changing the article? -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 15:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I think your logic here is sound, this is all based on an off-hand social media comment that Zack may not have intended to spread online the way that it has. Zack made similar off-hand social media comments about the complete-ness of his cut that turned out to be false or misleading ("just needs a few CGI tweaks" for example, and here we are tens of millions of dollars and one year later). It's best to assume that what we know is true and hasn't changed, and wait and see how things play out as things become more clear. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

While you have a fair point, there isn’t any proof that what Zack Snyder said is untrue. Plus, there’s also the fact that many major online news publications like Collider and IGN have been reporting the fact that it will be a movie, because that was the way it was intended to be seen. FilmLover72 (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

There actually isn't any proof either way. The direct quote from Snyder that everyone is using as evidence that the TV show has been scrapped is just two words in a Vero comment: "one-shot". Per IGN's coverage: "While many have interpreted this to mean that the four-part miniseries has been scrapped in favour of a four-hour movie, it's possible Snyder is indicating that all four hour-long episodes will drop simultaneously, giving viewers the option to watch the Snyder Cut in one continuous block rather than splitting it up and releasing the 'episodes' one-by-one as part of a schedule. We've contacted Warner Bros. for clarification." Fezmar9 (talk) 20:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The onus isn't on us to prove that [the production coming out only as a single movie] isn't what Snyder meant, it's on us to prove that it is. It is next to impossible to prove a negative–I can't prove Bigfoot doesn't exist; I only prove that I don't know how to find Bigfoot–and without further context or information, an off-hand, ambiguous-in-meaning comment doesn't cut it. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 10:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The HBO Max communications team has confirmed on their official Twitter that it's being released as a full-length original feature film here. WhoKnew99 (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I was just about to say the same thing. So, does this mean we can change the infobox now? FilmLover72 (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

As we've mentioned before, HBO Max's working plan (as far as we know it) has always been to release ZSJL as a feature-length movie at some point – this is not news. To the best of my knowledge it was planned to release as a four-part miniseries first, and then a feature-length cut later; nothing in the linked-to tweet precludes this as still being the case. That said, despite my personal belief that ZSJL will release as a mini-series first, the print media is reporting, incorrectly or not, that it is releasing solely as a movie.

At this point, I would be inclined to have the article use {{Infobox Film}} until either release date, or we have solid confirmation that HBO Max's original dual-release plan has not changed (whichever comes first). Either way, we'll know for certain on March 18th. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 12:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Budget amount

The original version of Justice League that Snyder shot cost $275.5 million. Whedon’s reshoots added $25 million, bringing the final cost of the 2017 film to $300 million. With the Snyder Cut’s effects and reshoots costing $70 million, it’s fair to assume the final cost of the 2021 Snyder Cut was around $345 million; is this something worth noting in the article/infobox? Or just leave it as the $70m figure as that’s (technically) what it cost to get this made? Just thinking out loud here… TropicAces (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd just leave it at $70 million, since this article isn't about the production of the original film. JOEBRO64 18:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

The total budget figure for both the theatrical and Snyder cuts is noted in the article (specifically the infobox) already. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 09:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Citation for Source 58

I noticed that the citation link for source 58 is dead. For reference, the statement of which the source cites is "Cinematographer Fabian Wagner said Snyder wanted to "get away from the stylized, desaturated, super-high contrast looks of other films in the franchise". I did manage to find a live link of that source: https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/blog-post/justice-league.

I also found the archival link for it in case the link dies: https://web.archive.org/web/20211224044809/https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/blog-post/justice-league. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Add Oscar win in intro

Like most films, when a film has been nominated or win an Oscar or other major award, that info is listed in the intro of the article. Seeing how this Oscar cheer moment is a new concept for the Academy and this film's win of that category has caught media interest maybe it is appropriate to add it to the lead.

Example: At the 94th Academy Awards, the film came in first place for the new Oscars Cheer Moment as part of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences' "Oscars Fan Favorite" with the film's "The Flash Enters The Speed Force" scene.

Just a thought. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I totally agree. Its not inappropriate Fn45-2 (talk) 04:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Epic film

With a 4hr runtime, and an epic budget, this film also qualifies to be categorised as being in the Epic film genre since it meets all the requirements and it was indeed Snyder's original intention to release the film in either a Roadshow style format with an Intermission or a two part release. Colliric (talk) 07:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

This is not for us to decide, it's for reliable sources. But that still isn't enough, per WP:FILMGENRE, you must prove that the film is described as an epic as much as it is described as a superhero film. —El Millo (talk) 07:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

This is a matter of WP:RS Dcdiehardfan (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

In addition to the correct framing of the film as being epic (as laid out by Colliric), there are several websites and traditional newspapers describing ZSJL as being epic. If necessary, I will be able to demonstrate all of them. In addition, director Zack Snyder himself has already, expressly, described the film as an epic Fn45-2 (talk) 11:44, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify, an epic as a genre Fn45-2 (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Fn45-2 Feel free to list sources, I assume once the matter is resolved, we could add it in, if it is in tandem with other Wikipedia policies. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2023

Delete David Thewlis, he is not credited as Ares in the movie, in the credits appears Nick McKinless, fix that. Besides,e is not his face with VFX 201.188.142.6 (talk) 09:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 02:36, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571791/ there you have a source, he is credited as you can see 191.113.200.183 (talk) 06:52, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

The source you gives credits Nick McKinless only as "stunt performer". Additionally, the full credit listings has David Thewlis' name against the character Ares. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 09:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Why is the budget listed as 70m?

Why is the budget listed at 70m when it was actually 370? 300 for the first go around and an additional 70m to finish his cut. To say it cost 70m is both idiotic and blatent misinformation 184.74.232.72 (talk) 23:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

There's a footnote right next to it that explains everything. —El Millo (talk) 00:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the fact that on the main page it says 70m and for most people that's all they'll see. It's blatently false to have it listed at 70m and there's no reason to do so apart from to mislead people. It should state the actual budget and not just the cost of reshoots. 184.74.232.69 (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

The budget of Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie doesn't include the cost of an already produced and released This Island Earth. Similarly, the budget of this version of the film doesn't include the cost of the already produced and released theatrical version. So it's not misleading at all. DonQuixote (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

It's 100% misleading and not true. The budget of the movie is 370m, not 70m so that should not be stated. The only mention of the 70m figure should under reshoots. It's literally false information. 184.74.232.72 (talk) 01:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

It's definitely not $370 million, as the original film's budget ended up being $300 million due to the extensive reshoots they underwent after Snyder left the project. As far as I know, we don't know what the original budget was before the reshoots, so we can't take that number and add the $70 million to it. Whatever we did, apart from just adding two clearly defined numbers, would constitute original research, which Wikipedia editors aren't allowed to do. Therefore, the only accurate budget for this director's cut is the $70 million they spent on making this version, i.e. the director's cut of the film. —El Millo (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

"Therefore, the only accurate budget for this director's cut is the $70 million they spent on making this version, i.e. the director's cut of the film"

That's just not true at all. We know the original budget, we know how much extra was given to Whedon and we know Snyder was given an additional 70m afterwards. To say this movies budget is 70m is a flat out lie and misinformation as that 70m only finished off like 20mins of footage and then come cgi. That's like building a house for 1m. Building an extension a year later worth 100k and claiming the house only cost 100k to build. It's a lie 184.74.232.69 (talk) 13:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Context matters. The director's cut is a re-edit of previously released material with new material edited in. It's adequate, and not misleading at all, to just mention the budget for the re-edit as long as it's stated somewhere that it's just for the re-edit and not for the cost of the original production. If you or the reader want to learn more, you can follow the helpful links in this article to the original production and its history. It's a molehill, to be honest. DonQuixote (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

If We know the original budget, then cite a source. Perhaps we can use it. —El Millo (talk) 14:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)