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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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Ernst Klink[edit]

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  • ... that historian Ernst Klink, a Waffen-SS veteran, contributed to Germany's official World War II history, while a member of a Waffen-SS lobby group? Jörg Echternkamp (2015). "Die Bundeswehr, das Verteidigungsministerium und die Aufarbeitung der NS-Vergangenheit im Systemkonflikt [The Bundeswehr, the Ministry of Defense, and the revision of the Nazi past]" (in German). Potsdam: Zeitgeschichte-online [de].

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Hi K.e.coffman, good to see that you continue the good work. A great little article, but a number of things to get it ready for DYK.

Each fact in the final hook needs to, obviously, be reflected at least once in the article. Each needs, obviously, to be cited. At least one of the cites for each fact needs to within or at the immediate end of the sentence containing the fact. (Sorry, I don't invent the rules. It is Wikipedia's front page and the powers that be are fussy.) Can we come back to this as I have some comments on the hooks. Firstly, while I personally find ALT1 fascinating, I think that it is one for aficionados - "Jochen who?" - so I am striking it.

I find the bare facts of the first hook interesting, but this is almost lost, IMO, by having half an article's worth of information in it. Can I suggest that one is more likely to attract the attention of a front page browser by not giving all of the information? How would you feel about something like:

Also, could you confirm how many DYK nominations you have already made? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: This is my fourth DYK nom. I like your approach with the hook; it's punchy. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:14, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
@K.e.coffman: No. of noms - thanks; this is your last one before QPQ is needed then. Glad you like the punchier hook, I will assume that you are ok to go with it unless you demur. His being in HAIG is already sentence end cited; could you put a reference on the end of "Klink was a contributor to the fourth volume, The Attack on the Soviet Union, of Germany and the Second World War, produced by historians of the MGFA." and we are done. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: I added the citations to the new hook. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi K.e.coffman. I think that you misunderstood. I was quite happy that the fact was accurate and included in the article's references. However, DYK rules require each fact in a hook to be cited within or at the immediate end of the sentence containing the fact, in the article in question. However, I think that I can accept cite 8 as meeting this requirement for "contributed to Germany's official history of World War II "and so am passing this.
A great little article although, for what it's worth, having looked at a number of your articles now, you seem to bring a NPOV to them to the extent of seeming a bit soft on Nazis. (Rereading and to avoid confusion I should add that this is something I find admirable and am not sure that I could manage to do.) Gog the Mild (talk) 11:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Gog the Mild (talk) 12:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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