Template:Did you know nominations/Hemothorax

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The result was: promoted by MrClog (talk) 16:35, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Hemothorax

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• ALT0... that menstrual periods can cause bleeding into the chest? Source: Endometriosis is a common gynaecological disorder, affecting 10-15% of women of reproductive age. It is defined by extrauterine growth of endometrial tissue, including endometrial glands and stroma. The ectopic tissue is typically located in the peritoneal cavity, most often in the pelvis, but endometriosis has been reported in nearly all body compartments. Although rarely involved, the thoracic cavity is the most frequent extra-abdominopelvic site of endometriosis. Thoracic endometriosis syndrome (TES) is the term used to refer to the various clinical and radiological manifestations resulting from the presence and cyclical changes of functional endometrial tissue in a thoracic structure (visceral or parietal pleura, lung parenchyma, airways, or diaphragm). Clinical manifestations vary during the menstrual cycle and are more likely to occur during menses, because of the hormonal responsiveness of ectopic endometrial tissue. TES includes five well-recognized clinical entities grouped into two forms, namely the pleural form with catamenial pneumothorax (CP), non-catamenial endometriosis-related pneumothorax (NCP), and catamenial haemothorax (CHt). Rousset 2014, PMID:24331768
• ALT1... that during menstrual periods, tissue from the womb can bleed into the chest?

• Comment: PeaBrainC was GA reviewer, Steve Mulch Civic Pro was GA nominator

Improved to Good Article status by Steve Mulch Civic (Pro) and PeaBrainC (talk). Self-nominated at 12:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC).

• Reviewed: Tim Morgan

• Comment I'm not doing a review but I just wanted to comment that I think both ALT0 and ALT1 seem a bit too scary, because they don't mention endometriosis and someone might think that the bleeding could happen to any woman. Also, "tissue from the womb" sounds confusing to me, because the tissue is actually in the chest. -kyykaarme (talk) 07:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments kyykaarme. I've tried to make the hook as interesting and engaging as possible and have deliberately omitted technical terms like endometriosis or endometrial tissue. It may sound a little scary but hopefully that should encourage readers to look at the article and find out that it's not so scary after all.

In my opinion it fits the guidance in the Reviewing guide, specifically the example of hooks potentially being "A tease, giving only part of the relevant information". PeaBrainC (talk) 10:24, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I disagree that endometriosis is merely technical term. It is the cause of the bleeding into the chest and even with endometriosis it's very rare. My point about the scariness is that we should not be saying that menstruation can cause bleeding into the chest because it's not true. I don't understand what you mean by "it's not so scary after all". Basically the hook now says "women can bleed into the chest during their periods" and then the "answer" in the article is "if they have endometriosis and even then it's very rare". To me the hook is misleading. -kyykaarme (talk) 08:59, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

• Another comment: I support what kyykaarme said, - it sounds scary. Better say what it is, and yes, I'd not pipe but explain, and then perhaps say that in rare cases is can occur with endometriosis. Even I know what that is, so don't fear it will not be understood. I looked at the article for reviewing, but find much of it too technical for my level of English, sorry. Can you try not to "sandwich text between images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I appreciate your concerns. I don't want to make it a really dull hook which is massively wordy or loaded with technical terms so as a compromise, how about:

• ALT2... that endometriosis, a condition in which tissue from the womb occurs in unusual locations, can cause bleeding into the chest during menstrual periods?

This is an accurate statement and those interested will find out more by reading the article. I think a piped link is much better as Hemothorax is an uninteresting technical term to a non-medical reader which will be unlikely to attract any readers. PeaBrainC (talk) 18:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

• This article is a newly promoted GA and is long enough and nominated soon enough. The ALT2 hook facts are cited inline and I have struck the other hooks. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)