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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 09:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Margareta Hallin[edit]

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Margareta Hallin
Margareta Hallin

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 22:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment I've been bold and trimmed the first Swedish to avoid an inelegant repetition. Edwardx (talk) 14:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Promising bio of an interesting woman, on good sources. I added the names of opera composers as far as I could, but am helpless for the Cherubini opera (about the composer? by whom?) and some of the list of roles below. Could that list be made prose? - I also linked the operas. - How do you feel about an infobox? - The hook is sourced but a bit on the very-general side. ALTs welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I made a first attempt at fixing the issues to the best of my ability. Let me know anything further that you think I could do or if it is good enough. Thanks.BabbaQ (talk) 20:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing, - I just don't understand the section "Operas". Could you integrate those roles with the others? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I have done that now. Let me know what you think.BabbaQ (talk) 21:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I formatted a bit further. Aniara doesn't link to an opera. What part? Drömmen is spelled differently on the composer's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Let me know what you think.BabbaQ (talk) 22:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! Swedish and offline sources accepted AGF. Image beautiful and licensed, - hope it will be shown in March! After all, I think the original hook is more unusual. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

This was promoted to the queues, but I reopen it because of the concerns at WT:DYK#Utterly unremarkable hook. Fram (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I thought the referencing was the bigger problem, found references for her appearances in plays and the listed recordings. The two roles in (TV) films can be verified on IMDb. All prizes have articles on the Swedish Wikipedia, where she is listed in the years mentioned. If that is not enough, refs could be copied from Swedish. Adding referencing to the formatting of operas I did already, I feel more like a contributor now ;) - so suggest a hook:
ALT2: ... that the soprano and actress Margareta Hallin (pictured) composed three operas on plays by August Strindberg? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Looks interesting enough I guess :)BabbaQ (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed; previous reviewer suggested the hook that needs review. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT2 looks alright, but the paragraph about the "Professors namn" honorary title and the 2006 prize is entirely unreferenced. The Swedish article didn't help me out collecting a reference either. So something should happen to that.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 18:55, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment I also removed the two unreferenced awards, and moved them to a note. So every paragraph of text is now cited. This is at bottom a language-related sourcing problem that should not get in the way of the nomination.
I would note that this DYK was previously approved, and was removed from the queue due to an "uninteresting hook." ALT2 and ALT3 address the latter problem. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:02, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Reviewers needed for ALT2 and ALT3. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
  • This is a nice article about a very interesting individual. I would very much like to approve this, but there are a few issues that need to be addressed first:
  1. The article says that "Hallin's 'coloratura soprano voice' initiated her career at the Royal Swedish Opera" and ALT3 says that "Hallin's 'coloratura soprano voice' was initiated at the Royal Swedish Opera", but I don't think either of those statements are supported by the source provided in the article. At the top of page 49, the source simply says that "Hallin has a beautiful coloratura soprano voice and went on to a splendid future with the Royal Opera House in Stockholm". Can we change the language in the article to reflect the source? If people still want to use this fact as a hook, then the hook will also need to be changed accordingly.
    I went ahead and edited the article to reflect the language of the source. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
  2. Although ALT2 says that Hallin "composed three operas on plays by August Strindberg", the article says that Hallin "set music to" two plays (Den Starkare in 1991 and Ett drömspel in 1992) and "composed a chamber opera based on Fröken Julie in 1990". Does "setting music to" a play mean the same thing as "composing an opera" for that play? Unfortunately, the citation for this fact is offline (and in Swedish). Other sources suggest that she did indeed "compose operas", but I would like to get clarification on this before approving this hook.
  3. The paragraph that begins "Hallin was appointed Hovsångerska ...." is not supported by inline citations. Can someone please provide support for the assertions in this paragraph by including inline citations?
    I went ahead and deleted the paragraph to facilitate the approval of this DYK nomination. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
  4. There are "citation needed" tags in Footnote B. Per DYK supplemental rule D6, these tags should be resolved before this article is approved.
    I went ahead and deleted the footnote to facilitate the approval of this DYK nomination. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:32, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks to the editors who have worked hard to write and improve this article. I look forward to approving this once the these issues are resolved. Until then, feel free to let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 09:42, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, in the interests of getting this approved, I went ahead and fixed the issues I raised above. Unfortunately, without further clarification, I don't feel comfortable approving ALT2, so I would like to propose a new hook (which is essentially a modified ALT3):
ALT4: ... that Margareta Hallin could have performed internationally, but decided to stay in her homeland instead?
I hope that this can be approved soon. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4a: ... that soprano Margareta Hallin could have performed internationally, but decided to stay in her homeland instead?
  • I thought we needed to identify what Hallin did at a minimum. The word "soprano" could be modified to "coloratura soprano" or replaced with the original "opera singer" (though I don't like "opera singer" much myself), but without context as to what kind of performer she is, the hook just gets a "huh?" and a skip-to-the-next-hook from me. Another possible alternative: add "opera" before "internationally", though I'm not positive it's quite suitable; the article doesn't explicitly support "opera" in the requisite sentence, though the context might allow it, since her singing career mentions operatic performances only, save for later performances of her own compositions. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT4a looks good to me. If other editors are comfortable with my grant of approval for this hook, I will go ahead and give it the "thumbs up." However, I don't want to create the appearance of impropriety by unilaterally approving a hook that is very similar to the one I suggested above. For the record, this article satisfies all relevant DYK criteria: The article was nominated five days after creation, it is over 1500 characters, it is neutral, all claims are cited appropriately, and the are no copyvio issues. ALT4a is under 200 characters, properly cited, and interesting. QPQ is satisfied, and the proposed image is in the public domain. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Notecardforfree, since ALT4a is your ALT4 with a single word added to it, I'm afraid I'm not comfortable with you approving it. I'll add a "review again" icon below. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

FYI, Gedda, Nicolai; Gedda, Aino S.; Geddes, Tom (28 March 2003). Nicolai Gedda: My Life and Art. Portland, Oregon: Hal Leonard Corporation. p. 49. ISBN 978-1-57467-048-6. Retrieved 10 March 2016. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help) this source (which I added to the article earlier) supports the hook. Exactly. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:08, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Reviewer needed for ALT4a. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • I hereby confirm that the information in ALT4a is supported by a published book, which is cited immediately following the relevant sentences. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 06:54, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Do you think it is interesting? This is one of our criteria. Jolly Ω Janner 04:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
I think it's interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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