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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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Rosalinda González Valencia[edit]

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Source: "En 1996 Rosalinda González Valencia se casó con el que se convertiría en el hombre fuerte del Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación, Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes / [English]: "In 1996 Rosalinda González Valencia married the one who would become the strong man of the Jalisco Cartel Nueva Generación, Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes." (El Universal) [English] "Known as “El Mencho,” Oseguera has risen to become Mexico’s most-wanted drug lord after Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman was extradited to the United States last year to face trial." (Reuters)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 21:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC).

  • The hook really says nothing about her. Yoninah (talk) 00:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I disagree. Either way, she's best known for being married to El Mencho. What do you suggest I do with the hook then? MX (✉ • ✎) 03:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Although I suppose the hook is interesting, I see Yoninah's point. It implies that that's her claim to fame, as opposed to something that she did in her own right. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
From what I've gathered, being married to El Mencho is what she is best known for. The majority of the sources have esposa (English: wife) on the titles. That means her marriage with El Mencho is what the sources find most notable to describe her. The Latin American drug world is still very male-dominated, so I'm not surprised sources describe her like this on their titles. MX (✉ • ✎) 17:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
If being a spouse is what she's best known for, wouldn't that fall under WP:NOTINHERITED? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
No. She's received significant coverage for her suspected role in the CJNG as well (but sources always start by introducing her as El Mencho's wife, which brings us to my original point). If I were to propose a hook about her alleged criminal activities, this would get flagged on NPOV violations. I'm thinking we could also copy any of the hooks of her brother (except ALT0 and ALT4, which does not apply to her). Any thoughts? MX (✉ • ✎) 21:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not a fan of the hooks proposed here as they seem to focus more on other people than herself. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that the trial of Rosalinda González Valencia is held behind closed doors because the Mexican government is presenting sensitive evidences about a drug cartel? Source: [Spanish] "Los fiscales de la PGR solicitaron al juez Zeferín Hernández llevar la diligencia a puerta cerrada porque la secrecía de los datos que expusieron es clave para el éxito de la investigación que realiza contra el CJNG." / [English]: "Prosecutors from the PGR asked Judge Zeferín Hernández to take the trial behind closed doors because the secrecy of the data they exposed is key to the success of the investigation carried out against the CJNG." (El Universal)
  • ALT2 ... that Rosalinda González Valencia has 17 siblings, giving rise to their clan nickname "Cuinis", referring to a prolific local ground squirrel? Source: [Spanish] "Los Cuinis son un grupo delincuencial conformado por miembros de una misma familia que inició sus operaciones a principios de los 90 ... El sobrenombre de esta familia se debe a una ardilla de la zona a la que los lugareños conocen como cuiniki , su particularidad es que en cada parto suelen tener de 12 a 14 crías." / [English]: "The Cuinis are a criminal group formed by members of the same family that began operations in the early 90's ... The nickname of this family is due to a squirrel from the area that locals know as cuiniki, its peculiarity is that in each birth they usually have 12 to 14 offspring." (El Economista)
  • Here are two new hooks. Not sure if ALT1 is NPOV compliant, but that's the one I like the most. ALT2 is meh since it loses the impact of the previous hooks. Let me know what you think. MX (✉ • ✎) 14:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
The best option here might be ALT2, but it needs to be reworded as its flow is very abrupt. I don't like ALT1 as closed-door trials are not uncommon and in fact are the norm in some countries. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Would you be kind enough to reword it the way you think it should be? Have no idea what you're talking about. Thanks, MX (✉ • ✎) 16:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I'd probably drop the part about 17 siblings and instead focus on the clan nickname part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Got it. At that point the impact of the hook is lost... MX (✉ • ✎) 16:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Or if you really want to do the 17 siblings part, you'd probably need to drop the squirrel nickname part instead and say something about the siblings as a whole. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
At that point we're stuck with Yoninah's initial concern that the hook says "nothing about her". Not sure what other hooks to suggest without being on the borderline of a NPOV / BLP violation. I'll be out of town in a week with no access to Wikipedia until 2019. Hopefully we can come to a resolution soon. MX (✉ • ✎) 23:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • The nominator is currently not available and won't return until after the new year, other editors are called to take a look at this nomination for now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Doing...... I noticed that discussions are on the hooks, and nobody has reviewed the article itself. I will start both now. Flibirigit (talk) 02:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article moved to mainspace on October 28, and nominated the next day, so it's new enough. Length and sourcing are adequate. Article is neutral in tone, has appropriate footnotes where explanations are needed, and is clear as to what is fact versus reported. QPQ is completed. Hook ALT1a adheres to BLP since it does not infer any guilt, it sticks to the facts, it is verified in a Google translation of citation [77], and is interesting to a broad audience. Minor paraphrasing issue with "from the remnants of the Milenio Cartel" is too similar, and "a violent reaction from" should be in quotation marks or reworded. Flibirigit (talk) 02:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

  • @Flibirigit: Thank you for the thorough review. I believe I have addressed the concerns you brought up. Please let me know if there's anything else left to do. Cheers, MX (✉ • ✎) 14:07, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the changes, and the well-written article. ALT1a is good to go. Flibirigit (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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