Template:Did you know nominations/Samuel Mulledy
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:02, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
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Samuel Mulledy
... that Samuel Mulledy was expelled from the Jesuit order twenty years after being President of Georgetown College in 1825?Source: "...Father Mulledy got into some kind of trouble which led to his dismissal from the Jesuit Order." (Jesuits Come to Yorkville)- ALT1:
... that though expelled from the Jesuit order in 1850 for alcoholism, Samuel Mulledy was re-admitted four days before his death? - ALT2:
... that Samuel Mulledy was expelled from the Jesuit order in 1850, twenty years after being the President of Georgetown College, a Jesuit institution?
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- Reviewed: Nicholas Emery
Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 17:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC).
- I'm not sure if I can give this a full review or not just yet, but for now I suggest working on the hook a bit. It seems rather bland because it gives no details about why he was expelled, and the connection between his expulsion and his tenure of being president of a large college seems tangential at best for DYK purposes. Perhaps highlighting his alcoholism might work out better instead? It wouldn't be a BLP violation since he's long dead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:02, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: My reasoning was that he led a major Jesuit university and then was expelled from the Jesuits. I thought that was a pretty interesting connection. Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by a full review; one need only verify the DYK rules, which aren't terribly demanding, unlike GA or FA. Ergo Sum 15:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't think that connection would be very clear to those unfamiliar with Jesuit universities. And besides, I personally think the alcoholism angle is more interesting anyway considering that's not a thing that's commonly associated with clerics. As for full review, that did mean the DYK checks: my style of reviewing is basically making sure important issues are resolved first before doing the review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:37, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, I've added an alt hook that I think is quite interesting and should ameliorate your concern. Ergo Sum 02:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- The hook is somewhat better, but I still think it might be more appealing if there was a mention of his alcoholism. Something like "that though expelled from the Jesuit order in 1850 for alcoholism". Your call though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I tend to think that's a bit more detail that is suitable for DYK, but I don't feel strongly on the matter, so I've gone ahead and added it. Ergo Sum 01:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- The hook is somewhat better, but I still think it might be more appealing if there was a mention of his alcoholism. Something like "that though expelled from the Jesuit order in 1850 for alcoholism". Your call though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, I've added an alt hook that I think is quite interesting and should ameliorate your concern. Ergo Sum 02:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't think that connection would be very clear to those unfamiliar with Jesuit universities. And besides, I personally think the alcoholism angle is more interesting anyway considering that's not a thing that's commonly associated with clerics. As for full review, that did mean the DYK checks: my style of reviewing is basically making sure important issues are resolved first before doing the review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:37, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Ready to review. I'd like to focus on the original hook, - we don't have to mention alcoholism even if he's been dead for a while. You could first mention the university, saying that it's Jesuit, and then come to being expelled. - Interesting article on substantial sources, no copyvio obvious. Why no image? What does "Transient work" mean, please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I've added a third hook. This, in my opinion, is the most suitable one. It addresses your comment. Ergo Sum 17:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Almost there. Two things, please get ALT2 down here, and can you first mention the university, then the expulsion? More chronological, and more drama ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I've added a third hook. This, in my opinion, is the most suitable one. It addresses your comment. Ergo Sum 17:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that Samuel Mulledy was the President of Georgetown College, a Jesuit institution, in 1825, but was later expelled from the Jesuit order in 1850?
- @Gerda Arendt: What do you mean by get it down here? I've rephrased it. In my honest opinion, I think it sounds clunkier and less dramatic now, but for the sake of moving this nom along, I'm willing to go ahead with it. Ergo Sum 19:10, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- I mean write it (or an ALT3) within your next comment, not where the original hooks are. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Okay. How do you think it looks now? Ergo Sum 19:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- How is this then:
ALT3a: ... that Samuel Mulledy, appointed president of a Jesuit college in 1825, was expelled from the order 25 years later?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)- @Gerda Arendt: I don't know if removing the reference to which college he was president of enhances the hook. Ergo Sum 21:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Problem is that the college is in link for president. Will readers know that college? If no, it enhances the hook. Work it out, I will travel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
on second thought, - why let you wait. Open for improvements, - you said clunky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure I follow your closing comments, but it appears that you are passing ALT 3 (rather than ALT 3a). Just trying to make it clear for the admin that moves this into the prep area. Ergo Sum 22:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I don't know if removing the reference to which college he was president of enhances the hook. Ergo Sum 21:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Okay. How do you think it looks now? Ergo Sum 19:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- I mean write it (or an ALT3) within your next comment, not where the original hooks are. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: What do you mean by get it down here? I've rephrased it. In my honest opinion, I think it sounds clunkier and less dramatic now, but for the sake of moving this nom along, I'm willing to go ahead with it. Ergo Sum 19:10, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
