Template:Did you know nominations/Scherzo (Stravinsky)
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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Scherzo (Stravinsky)[edit]
- ... that Scherzo was composed for piano by Igor Stravinsky in 1902, but was published first in 1970? Source: several
- Reviewed: Prince Edmund Batthyany-Strattmann
Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC).
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My concerns are the following. (1) I cannot decide whether the sources cited can be regarded as reliable sources for WP purposes. One of them is a webshop ([1]); an other seems to be a platform for announcments for newly released music ([2]); and the status of the third one is unclear ([3]). (2) The expression "a twenty-year-old law student at St. Petersburg University" is a verbatim quote from one of the cited texts ([4]). (3)Hook fact is accurate and cited with an inline citation in the article. The copyright status of the picture in the USA is unclear. Borsoka (talk) 05:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- File:Igor Stravinsky Essays.jpg could be used instead. Its copyright status is OK. It was first published in 1921. Ditto File:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916) 113.png (lovely colour painting). File:Igor Stravinsky LOC 32392u.jpg is definitely OK. Ditto File:Robert Delaunay - Portrait of Stravinsky.tif (artist dead for over 70 years). Voceditenore (talk) 09:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, both. The other images are lovely, but he is way too old on them for this youthful piece. Rather do without image, but write some articles around the others ;) - I rephrased the sentence, dropping the 20 years altogether. Not so unusual that a student is around 20. - I used AllMusic even in GAs without problems, and Naxos liner notes are usually solid. Perhaps Ron can say some more about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: I have re-written parts of this article as it contained several serious errors and omissions. I have also re-referenced it from scholarly sources. Neither the AllMusic nor the Boosey & Hawkes pages supported the assertions in the paragraph to which they were appended and I have removed them. AllMusic is not an ideal source, in any case. Boosey & Hawkes can be OK when they have actually published the score instead of simply selling it as in the case of Scherzo. See for example, this entry for Turnage's opera Coraline. The Naxos liner notes are an acceptable source as they written by experienced music writers. Just to be on the safe side, I have added further scholarly sources for the bit about the law school and the date of composition. One of the most glaring errors was the date of first publication. The score was first published in Russia in 1970. I have added a scholarly source for this and changed the date in the hook. Like the later Faber publication, it was a facsimile of the holograph. Borsoka, perhaps you could take a look at the new version and see if it's OK now. If you need any quotes from the subscription-only source, just ping me. Voceditenore (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and Voceditenore, thank you for your edits. My most concerns were adressed. I still think that either the copyright status of the picture in the USA should be clarified or the picture should be deleted. Borsoka (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Borsoka, I have deleted the picture from this nomination because of the copyright concerns. Please proceed with your review. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:56, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
. Thank you. Now it is good to go. Borsoka (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- I have added Voceditenore to the credits. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and Voceditenore, thank you for your edits. My most concerns were adressed. I still think that either the copyright status of the picture in the USA should be clarified or the picture should be deleted. Borsoka (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: I have re-written parts of this article as it contained several serious errors and omissions. I have also re-referenced it from scholarly sources. Neither the AllMusic nor the Boosey & Hawkes pages supported the assertions in the paragraph to which they were appended and I have removed them. AllMusic is not an ideal source, in any case. Boosey & Hawkes can be OK when they have actually published the score instead of simply selling it as in the case of Scherzo. See for example, this entry for Turnage's opera Coraline. The Naxos liner notes are an acceptable source as they written by experienced music writers. Just to be on the safe side, I have added further scholarly sources for the bit about the law school and the date of composition. One of the most glaring errors was the date of first publication. The score was first published in Russia in 1970. I have added a scholarly source for this and changed the date in the hook. Like the later Faber publication, it was a facsimile of the holograph. Borsoka, perhaps you could take a look at the new version and see if it's OK now. If you need any quotes from the subscription-only source, just ping me. Voceditenore (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
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