Template:Did you know nominations/Velters Cornewall Berkeley

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Velters Cornewall Berkeley

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... that Velters Cornewall Berkeley ~~was censured by his peers for~~ infuriated his peers by failing to engage the 130-gun Santisima Trinidad? Source:"Captain Berkeley was much censured for his apparent want of resolution" James, William (2002) [1827]. The Naval History of Great Britain, Volume II, 1797–1799. London: Conway Maritime Press. p. 49. ISBN 0-85177-906-9.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dinesh Wadiwel
Comment: Moved from user space to mainspace on 28 August 2018

Created by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC).

The hook talks about Berkeley being censured, but the article appears that there was a difference of opinion about his conduct during the battle. Nothing in the article says he was censured. Additionally, the paragraph in question does not contain the citation used in the nomination. This could work, but needs a little tweaking. --BrianCUA (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Briancua, thanks for doing this review. I am afraid I no longer have Ralfe's book. I borrowed it when I wrote the HMS Emerald article and have since returned it. Both Ralfe and James (whom I have now added as a reference) use the word "censured". What is it you don't like about it? Best regards --Ykraps (talk) 07:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

The word censure usually indicates that some sort of tribunal was held, and that he was found responsible. That doesn't seem to be the case here. How about changing the hook to read "...that Velters Cornewall Berkeley infuriated his peers for failing to engage the 130-gun Santisima Trinidad?" --BrianCUA (talk) 12:46, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

That may be an ENGVAR thing; censure in British English doesn't indicate that at all. Your suggestion is acceptable though, so let's go for that.--Ykraps (talk) 17:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Briancua, if you are now happy with this nomination, you need to change the icon for a tick {{subst:DYKtickAGF}}. Thanks, --Ykraps (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd still like to see the citation at the end of the sentence and not just the end of the paragraph, but this is good to go. --BrianCUA (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Done --Ykraps (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)