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Happy New Year 2018!

Happy New Year!

Oshwah,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Hi dear oshwah

i want public Mehdi nazeri draft pages , He is my favorites Photographer please Check his page and pubic , Thanks a lot best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beach Girl (talk • contribs) 08:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

RevDel request

This edit summary. Thank you. -- Radiphus 12:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It does not meet the REVDEL criteria. See Wikipedia:Revision_deletion#Criteria_for_redaction. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Radiphus, and thanks for leaving me a message here. While the edit summary is certainly not necessary nor positive to the project, it doesn't meet the criteria for redaction. It's not what we would define as "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material", and - while it's purely intended to be disruptive - it's not to the level of disruption in that redaction is more beneficial than leaving it available for public viewing. In this case, we want others to see these edit summaries so that they will understand the past disruption from this IP (if such an applicable situation arises in the future where this is relevant). Hiding the edit summary would make this harder and isn't a good idea, so I'm going to leave things be for now.

If you run into any more revisions that you feel should be rev del'd, do let me know and I'll be happy to take a look - just email them to me next time instead. Public talk page messages asking for redaction tend to generate a lot of attention toward the link(s) provided from people wanting to see exactly what information is going to potentially become hidden from view. We want to avoid that ;-). Please also feel free to let me know if you need anything else, and I'll be happy to help. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Your edit to my talk page

Can you please explain this inexplicable addition of a uw-vblock template to my talk page? I had not even been editing, and so far as I can see, I was not actually blocked. NTK (talk) 17:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

• NTK, I don't know if Oshwah is online right now, but the block log contains an apology for an incorrect block; you were unblocked immediately. Drmies (talk) 17:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks for letting me know, but neither I nor others (so far as I know) can actually see the block log. The template was left on my page (until I just now blanked it), it seems to me the decent thing to do would have been to remove it and apologize there when it was noticed. It would not be too late to do so. I'm guessing this wasn't done because this happened en masse? I don't have a lot of time to go searching for an explanation, it's no big deal but a clean-up is in order. NTK (talk) 17:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    • (talk page watcher) Hi, NTK, just for your info, block logs are visible, and yours is here, with the concomitant unblock and apology. Take care, >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 17:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

NTK Anyone can see anyone's block log - see here for yours. He must've forgotten to remove the template. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sure it was an oversight--it may have been that Oshwah was caught up in a wave of vandalism; leaving an unjustified block template is not his style. Drmies (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

NTK - My sincere apologies. I meant to block an account who vandalized an article that you reverted, and I blocked you accidentally. I didn't mean to leave that template on your talk page. If you have any further concerns, please let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Less than neautral

What was less than neautral ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldrosescat (talk • contribs) 23:58, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Coldrosescat, and thanks for leaving me a message with your question. If you look at the edits you made here, it appears that the content is written in a manner to intentionally reflect it positively (almost as if it were written to appeal or advertise to the reader) - especially where you add descriptions such as "pest free" (which was later removed). The content also appears to be written based off original research, or based only off of your personal recollection or experience. Please know that original research is not allowed on Wikipedia, and that content added should be worded neutrally and cited by a reliable source when necessary. I highly recommend that you review the pages I linked you to here, and make sure that you understand them. If you have questions about these policies or the pages I've linked you to, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them and help you. Thanks again, and I wish you happy editing. Best regards -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Keith hill, he has recently retired and borat has taken over please allow me to fix this wiki page

Keith hill, he has recently retired and borat has taken over please allow me to fix this wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Voicer OA (talk • contribs) 19:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

No Title

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=819879270 For the above edit I was temped to revert it with reason "Failed to cite a reliable source". Have you ever done something like that? . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 19:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - This is definitely someone who is causing disruption - warn them accordingly. "Failing to provide a reliable source" warnings should be given to those who have added content that isn't blatant vandalism, but without a reference cited where one should definitely be provided. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to help! Happy editing ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

You douche

Change it back, it has perfect and profound importance on today’s social life — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahurdle (talk • contribs) 21:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

the interior design edits

I felt that there was too much info about it. I thought maybe it could use a simpler explanation — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalaKite (talk • contribs) 21:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi MalaKite, and thanks for leaving me a message with your explanation of the changes you're making. It's just helpful to other editors when you summarize each of your edits using the edit summary field; it tells other editors exactly what you did and why, and it's a good habit to get into doing each time you make a change. It doesn't have to be a huge in-depth description; it can simply state what you did and why. It'll avoid confusion with other editors (such as in this situation). No big deal, though :-). Thanks again for the message, and please let me know if you need help with anything - I'll be happy to do so. Happy editing :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:49, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

no problem Oshwah. Im happy to help in any way to clarify confusion. -MalaKite — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalaKite (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

. RA0808 undid my work on interior design like I gave an adequate reason. is that just a computer program? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalaKite (talk • contribs) 21:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

MalaKite - Nope, RA0808 is an editor just like myself. If he reverted your changes and after you left an edit summary, you'll want to message the user (like you did on my talk page here) and discuss it. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

oh I talked to RA0808 alright. he disrespected me. he told me if i wanted simpler explanations i should use simple wiki. like what the heck? I even told him why i did it and that was what he said to me. MalaKite 14:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalaKite (talk • contribs)

(talk page stalker) I chastised RA0808 for speaking to you like that. This is a content dispute. No bad faith or behavioural problems. !dave 15:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the response at RA0808's talk page, My name is not dave. I believe that his response was an attempt to explain his viewpoint and not to imply that you were stupid or cause disrespect, MalaKite - however, I can absolutely see how it could be translated in that fashion. I would have chosen much different words to explain my rebuttal. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Accidental revert?

When you reverted my edit to Outlaw Scumfuc, I was actually redirecting the song to an album by a profane artist. I think you may have made a mistake, as said artist (GG Allin) is known for his profanity. It was a good faith edit. Thanks. --Mayergrade367 (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mayergrade367 - Upon a second look, I realized that your change was legitimate. I restored your changes and removed the talk page notice I left you. My apologies for the confusion; I revert a lot of vandalism where people add those kinds of words :-). Please let me know if you need anything else and I'll be happy to help you further. Thanks for the message and for the heads up :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. It's understandable, because like I said, GG Allin is known for his profanity. This is just for future reference, since I often edit articles related to Allin. --Mayergrade367 (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Mayergrade367 - It's all good; you didn't do anything wrong at all. Keep up the good work and thank you for taking time to improve the project! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Sir,

How are you? Ertogrulaz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

you must not like jesse roper.... c119282083-v1.0/hctoolkit1.exe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.249.88 (talk) 01:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Bobbi Kristina Brown Article Page

Hi, I just have a question about the article, how can I change back my edit on the page and how do I put source on it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamthecece (talk • contribs) 02:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Bobbi Kristina Brown Article Page

Hi, I just have a question about the article, how can I change back my edit on the page and how do I put source on it?

Article

How do I source my edits? Iamthecece (talk) 02:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Iamthecece: We have some great references to help you source your edits you can see WP:REF, which will help you learn how to reference your edits. I would also would recommend looking at The Teahouse and trying out The Wikipedia Adventure as both of these sources will help you learn the ropes in referencing and editing Wikipedia. The Teahouse will allow you to get in touch with other friendly editors to help you learn the ropes as well. If you have any questions or want more information just let me know on my talkpage, or you can also reply here. Clarkcj12 (talk) 05:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Help

I really need help on how to cite my page, and if I can't for it then, can you do it for me, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamthecece (talk • contribs) 02:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Iamthecece. Please read and study Referencing for beginners. If you want to edit Wikipedia, you need to learn how to create references. This is a basic skill here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I'll echo Cullen328 and also highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's tutorial guide. It's a very useful wizard that will provide you with the important basics regarding this project, how it works, what you need to know, and how to navigate and find important things. You'll definitely be at an advantage and have a smoother learning experience if you do so :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	For excellent service to Wikipedia, and never letting criticism get you down. You're one of the best examples we have of users who are open to criticism and talking to others. It says a lot about your character, and your work is appreciated by many. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi TonyBallioni! Thank you for the barnstar and for your kind words. While recent events were certainly not easy, I'm still me and I'll always try to help others and diffuse heated situations. I'm not perfect, and I will never be perfect. I can't let things get me down and force me only to look to the past; I have to take what I learned and use it to improve the future :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Tony's words are spot on. I would've applied WP:NLT myself in that situation, and I actually think that the way you were spoken to was rather uncivil. I really do commend your ability to deal with individuals in such a civil manner at all times. Anyway, I do hope you had a good Christmas holiday and a happy New Year! See you around :) Patient Zero^talk 10:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Patient Zero - Thank you. I appreciate your words very much and I'm happy to see that my commitment to civility, receptive feedback, accountability, communication, and an open door for anyone to talk to me any time and about anything - is noticed by others and looked upon as the right thing to do. I'm happy and comfortable with myself, how I interact with others, and how I handle heated and very tough situations - those traits and skills aren't easily taught and learned, and they're one of the most important aspects with being an experienced and respected member of the community. Don't take this the wrong way: I am certainly not down-playing any mistakes I've ever made or will make in the future. I think of mistakes (and therefore help other editors) with the mindset that.. hey... I make mistakes just like everybody else. They happen. Being someone who has made his share of mistakes has help me to put myself in others' shoes and show them that... it's okay to make mistakes! Pick yourself up and move forward :-).

While, looking back, I certainly would have handled things a little bit differently, I can't take it back and I can only take what I've learned and what others have given to me with input and feedback and apply it moving forward. I'm not perfect, and I'll continue to do things that I later look back upon and say, "yeah, that sucked..." - it's a part of life, and part of not letting your emotions get the best of you is to be okay with that fact :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I wish everyone here thought like you, Oshwah. Your kindness and positive attitude most certainly do not go unnoticed, and you are definitely doing the right things around here! I do feel as if administrators on WP are often expected to be perfect and of course that's impossible - but I'd personally argue that admitting one's mistakes is better than not ever making them, as you would never learn anything! Take care :) Patient Zero^talk 11:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate that very much. Oh, and to answer your question: My Christmas was uneventful which was exactly what I wanted... haha. I saw family over Thanksgiving and they're in town to visit this weekend, so I had no "obligations" over Christmas... it was awesome. Just relaxed and did what Oshwah wanted to do ;-). I hope yours was a fun holiday, I thank you again for the kind words, and I tip my hat towards you sir! Until our paths cross again -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem - any time :) I had a rather busy Christmas this year with all of my extended family! I don't celebrate Thanksgiving though, as I'm British. New Year's Eve was much quieter and I spent it watching a film. Once again, no problem, and all the best! Patient Zero^talk 11:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah

Hi oshwa Mmmaaa55 (talk) 03:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Natural Vibrations edits

My edits were not vandalism. They provided additional information or corrected information about a group that I have been writing about since the release of their first album. I appreciate the value Wikipedia provides. However, in the future I'll "bite my tongue" when I see something that is questionable or incorrect and keep what I know to myself. I trust this resolves things for you. 66.162.249.170 (talk) 04:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, and thank you for leaving me a message here. I saw this edit here, which concerned me. Additionally, your edit here added on to content, which wasn't referenced. The warning I left on your talk page wasn't accurate; it certainly wasn't vandalism - it was just unreferenced. I have modified the warning to be worded in the manner in which it should have been originally; I apologize if you were frustrated with my warning and that I was trying to accuse you of something you weren't doing. That was not my intent. I highly recommend that you review Wikipedia's verifiability policy, as well as how to cite references with your changes. Remember to cite reliable sources wherever possible. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for leaving me a message, and I wish you happy editing :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protection request on Sky Sword II

Hi Oshwah, You had declined my request on Sky Sword II since there were only a couple of disruptions. But the IP hopper has come back and disrupted it again multiple times. Can you please semi-protect it for a few days. You can find more details about the IP hopper here User:Mfb/Taiwanese articles. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Adamgerber80 -  Done. Thanks for the heads up and for letting me know that the disruption continued :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Greetings, you have made a mistake accidently. Sky Sword II is confirmed to be a Mach 6 flying hypersonic missile. This disruptive editor Adamgerber80 (talk) has repeatedly tried to use blocks and other tactics to push his biased pov without any regard to the reliable sources present to him. He even refuses to discuss anything despite pretended to ask people to "take it to the talk page." Please take a look at the sources here:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3338371
and confirm for yourself, the source states very clearly that the Sky Sword II missile can fly at "Mach 6" and by aerospace engineering definition any object that can fly faster than Mach 5 below a height of 90Km is considered to be hypersonic. Thank you for your time! And we apologize to you for Adamgerber80 (talk) uncivilized angry ranting. 119.200.162.166 (talk) 08:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe I made no such mistake :-). I changed nothing on the article itself - I simply protected it from further disruption. Using different IP addresses to evade blocks for being disruptive and repeatedly editing the article is not how you resolve this dispute. The article's talk page is here - discuss the dispute, don't edit war. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

We did not edit disruptively, the only person doing disruptive editing is Adamgerber80 (talk). This user repeatedly ignores, and we do mean repeatedly ignores any reliable sources that are presented to him. Basically anything Adamgerber80 (talk) doesn't like he just ignores. We have made numerous efforts to show him the reliable sources that specifically state that the Sky Sword II travels at Mach 6, which as we mentioned before using aerospace engineering definition any flying object that can fly at speeds of Mach 5 or above below a height of 90 Km in the Earth's atmosphere is considered to be hypersonic. But Adamgerber80 (talk) ignores all the sources and refuses to even read them. Our only intention is to place accurate and most importantly updated accurate information on these articles, and to prove that we are 100% correct, the reliable sources stating that Sky Sword II is a Mach 6 hypersonic missile is provided, please read it, Thanks:

1.) Taiwan Sky Sword II missiles to challenge China’s Sukhoi Su-35 jets

Now we are not religious, we do not push any religious belief on anyone, we respect all benevolent religions, philosophies and we don't take any sides on political issues. We are concerned only with academic accuracy as we are scientists, engineers, doctors and academic scholars and for this example will use the Buddha to explain the situation that is going on now with this uneducated loser Adamgerber80 (talk) who continuously edit wars on subjects that he has no knowledge of, including his recent pov pushing on Indian locomotives with another editor, see here,
Love me so much?
as well as rejecting any new sourced knowledge that does not fit into his preconceived primitive notion of his own self-created and functionally distorted perceived "reality" within his isolated simple mind, which can also be effectively diagnosed as suffering from a severe cognitive dissonance for every individual singular instance that Adamgerber80 (talk) encounters new information which he hasn't previously learned or understood. Since we know Adamgerber80 (talk) is an Indian man of lesser education from a low level caste we will proceed to explain in simple to understand terminology for his benefit. Furthermore, and without going into modern psychology or psychiatric analysis, we can further observe that even over 2500 years ago in India, the Buddha suggested that complex conceptual rational thought and reasoning is a function of what he referred to as the "Third Skandha." To further explain this precept, the Buddha explained that this skandha (also translated as Samjna from the original Sanskrit script which we know Adamgerber80 cannot read), literally translates as "knowledge that links together." So we can see from his repeated and foolish rejection of new reliable information that Adamgerber80 (talk) is unconsciously attempting, albeit unsuccessfully, to "learn" something new by first linking it to a previous set or function of information that he already previously knows, most likely from his high school education, that miraculously managed to get encoded into the neural circuitry of his less complex cerebral cortex. Now it has been observed thoroughly that for the vast majority of his Wikipedia pov pushing "career," spending long hours everyday online (we know Adamgerber80 has no real job to earn money, he is supported financially by his parents), Adamgerber80 (talk) finds that "learning by linking to his previous knowledge" is very useful as most of the articles on Wikipedia are very very simple and easy to read, most on the grammatic and semantical level of elementary, middle and high school students. But many times Adamgerber80 (talk)'s flawed cognitive "reasoning" and glitched neural "system" fails as is self-evident in his unflinching and repeated rejection of any new sourced reliable knowledge which is utterly unrelated to anything that Adamgerber80 (talk) already previously knows or comprehends? This unfortunately usually happens since Adamgerber80 (talk) apparently is not capable of understanding and integrating new knowledge rapidly despite numerous efforts by many editors, including us, to show him reliable sources supporting our fact based good faith edits to improve Wikipedia articles for the benefit of all readers around the world. If Adamgerber80 (talk) really wants to discuss with us, we would be more than happy to discuss and show him the proof of our edits as it is visually obvious, except for the visually impaired, that all of our academic theses are irrefutably supported by reliable sourced references which Adamgerber80 (talk) and his "online Wikipedia friends" continuously and foolishly reject without just cause and without even taking the time to read the reliable sources for themselves. But of course, we have already predicted Adamgerber80 (talk)'s unstable behavior as well as his future course of action, so we know Adamgerber80 (talk) will not even attempt to read, much less comprehend, the new reliable sources of information we present to him. We leave you and Adamgerber80 (talk) with this:
A Zen Buddhist master meets with a professor and starts to make tea for the professor.
The Zen Buddhist master then proceeds to pour a cup of tea for the professor, who keeps talking while holding a cup, the Zen Buddhism master smiles gently and listens to what the professor is saying. And the Zen Buddhist master fills the cup but keeps pouring so that the cup begins overflowing.
The professor stops the Zen Buddhist master and says that the cup is overflowing and no more tea will fill in. The Zen Buddhist master smiles and says to the professor: exactly, if the cup is not empty, it will not make room for the tea, if you want to learn something new, you have to empty your cup.
“Empty your cup so that it may be filled; become devoid to gain totality.” -- Bruce Lee

Additionally, we made an edit, supported by reliable citations, to the article Fifth-generation jet fighter and included the academic sources and reliable references stating that Taiwan is developing a new stealth fighter jet program for which the repeat disruptive editor Adamgerber80 (talk) and a few of his "online Wikipedia friends" continued to ignore the reliable sources provided, all of which specifically states that Taiwan is currently building an advanced next generation stealth jet fighter, indisputable. The job of all editors is to keep Wikipedia updated and accurate with correct information and not be turned into a low quality source of biased and inaccurate information. The sources provided are reliable, forthright and speak for themselves. Hence, we have included the following sources stating that Taiwan is building advanced next generation stealth jet fighters for you to confirm:
1.) Taiwan to develop new stealth fighter jets, ministry says
2.) Taiwan to Seek Development of an Indigenous Stealth Fighter
3.) Taiwan to develop new stealth fighter jets, ministry says

Thanks! 211.250.251.207 (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

The article's talk page is the place to discuss this, not here. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Quickenhelpforusa

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Cahk -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Dotcaroll23

FYI - this is a once/twice daily LTA spammer.--Cahk (talk) 09:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Cahk - Oh joy... what other accounts is this user related to? How do we know this? Similar spam? Can you list some others so I can get a paper trail rolling? :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Oshwah: User:Kimberlylandon3 and User:Orismitchell are examples. Too many to list ... they are all over my list of reported accounts.--Cahk (talk) 09:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Cahk - No worries; that's good enough for me to work off of. Thank you! That's a big help! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Universa Blockchain Protocol

Dear Oshwah, thank you for dropping a line. In fact, I tried to delete the draft page, and I failed to find a way to do so. If you could help me out, I would be very much obliged. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artox.rb (talk • contribs) 09:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Artox.rb! I assume that the IP address user that created the article was you. If this is the case, I'll just delete the draft article for you - no problem. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Whoaaa nelly!

AIV needs some serious attention. I count 16 unattended cases. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 09:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial - Alright, give me a few minutes to finish up a couple of things and I'll go through it. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Oshwah. :) Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 09:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial - You bet :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial - Alright, AIV backlog is clear (at the time of this writing at least) ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Again, thank you. While I've got your attention, can I get your opinion on this bizzare sock farm I found? Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 09:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial - No problem; always happy to help :-). And sure, I'm taking a look now - stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

These two accounts might also possibly be involved. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 09:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Boomer Vial - Check out the account creation logs for each user you listed: 1, 2, 3, 4. They were all created within a day of one another, and an account was created from another account you have listed there. When I look for behaviors of sock puppetry, I always look at the user creation log (on top of other things). The account creation timeline usually makes it blatantly obvious - especially when multiple accounts are created within just a few minutes or hours of one another (and taking other editing behaviors into account). I'd say that your nose is on the right track, but none of these accounts have made edits... are they connected to any others that have? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I've edited a few times since your last edit here on your talk page. The one I labeled as the Sockmaster has vandalized, as well as the IP I just added. It's obvious by the "Uganda"/"Ugandan"/"Knuckles" theme they are all related. I'm still digging up more,

and more as we speak. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I see this edit, which could connect this account to the others. The lack of edits on the other accounts don't help, but I think that the user creation log timeline and the similar words ("knuckle", etc) in each username is sufficient to build a case from. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

From the few that have, they seem to be targeting pages related to Uganda. Question is which of the numerous account is the sockmaster? Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

So here are my thoughts: I think that the "knuckle" accounts are most likely controlled by the same person. The lack of edits between those similar usernames is what holds me back, since violations of the sock puppetry policy doesn't occur until they use them for disruption. I'm not sure that I see any connection between this "Uganda Warrior 134" account and the others; the only edit between the others was to Jurassic World, which has nothing to do with the article edited by "Uganda warrior" - what specifically links these accounts together? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:11, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

You are talking about Uganda Warrior 134 specifically, right? If so, the intent to vandalize is what links that account to the entire farm. That's what all of the other accounts that have contribution histories have shown. Such as this. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Correct. I'm looking for diffs or evidence that actually asserts that these accounts are linked in some way. All I have are a group of accounts with similar usernames and one edit to Jurassic World, and this other account here with some edits to two articles that aren't even closely related to Jurassic World - hopefully you can understand my thinking here. We have a web of users, but I have nothing to connect this account to that web. I don't think there's enough here (with what you've given me here at least) to connect this one account to that group of others, and hence one person. You're on the right track evidence-wise with those "knuckle" accounts (which is mostly circumstantial and with just one edit between them), but I don't see anything to connect this "Uganda Warrior" account to those others. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

A few of the accounts have shown activity, and I think a few of them are using the same edit summaries between accounts. Give me a minute to dig them up. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I think these two edits should suffice to wrap the whole thing up nicely, bow-on-top included. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

AHA! Okay, now I'm on board :-). That's what I was looking for. You file an SPI yet? If you haven't, you should ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

No, I haven't yet, as I'm still digging them up via the user creation log. I will do so just as soon as I've found the last of the socks the dryer ate. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Well if they're all created from the same IP or range, a checkuser will save you that work - I think you have enough to open an SPI and just have them look for others. We definitely know that sock puppetry and disruption is going on; that's a good start to the SPI you file :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Should I use the account that vandalized the Jurassic Park article as the sockmaster? Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 10:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Use the account you found with the oldest creation log (AKA the account in the string of sock puppets that's been here the longest). If you're wrong, no big deal - a clerk can easily fix that. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

In that case, the sockmaster would be this account, as the creation of accounts with the phrases "Uganda" and "Knuckles" dies out before the above mentioned account was created. Hell, at this point I might as well just link this conversation, as it pretty much sums the whole thing up. Well, thank you for helping me figure out that headache. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 11:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey, no problem! Always happy to lend a hand whenever you need it :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:09, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

 Complete Sockpuppet investigation can be found here. Boomer Vial^{Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs} 11:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial! Thanks for filing that SPI. It came to my attention later, however, that this "knuckles" phrase has become a meme on the internet, which typically means that you'll see many accounts get created with references to it (just like we do/did with "Ryan Ross Milk", the "Harambe" thing, and others). This means that we have to include other proof beyond just the similarity of usernames in SPI due to the fact that there's a reasonable explanation for the usernames being similar. Since it seems to be a widespread meme, it's common to see many people that are completely unrelated to one another create usernames that are similar in this fashion. I still think that your evidence was good, since the edits were connected - I just wanted to follow-up with this information so that you'd know what's up and how I deal with situations such as this. If you have questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

user page

Hello Oshwah,

may I ask you for a full-protection of my user page? Non-admin users and IPs are editing it. I don't intend to edit my user page any time soon, so a full-protection would be very appreciated. Thanks, --Avoided (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oshwah&action=edit&section=23

Avoided - I applied indefinite full move protection and indefinite extended confirmed edit protection to your user page for you. Fully protecting it from editing would disallow you from being able to change your own userpage if I did that ;-). Please let me know if you need anything else, and I'll be happy to help. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

All right. Have a nice day. --Avoided (talk) 11:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

You as well, Avoided! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

RFC

Hi Oshwah, My cited and sourced edits continue to be deleted by the same editor on The Satanic Temple, you were kind enough to step in before and stop the war, if you could add a vote on the RFC that might help settle the issues going forward. Thank you. Seanbonner (talk) 11:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Satanic_Temple#RfC:_How_should_The_Satanic_Temple_be_labeled_by_the_lead_sentence_of_its_article?

Hi Seanbonner! I can certainly give the article a read-though and take a look at the RFC, but I might not have enough of an opinion or input to be able to contribute to it. However, I'll see what I can do for you :-). Please let me know if you need anything else. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

January 2018

Hello, I'm Flyer22 Reborn. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —the one you made with this edit to Holden Commodore (VL)— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn - I'm sorry, I promise I will never vandalize Wikipedia again it was just a prank bro ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

LOL! Sorry about that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn - Happens all the time - no worries ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Serial sock

If you could look here for a sec, this I pinged @Favonian:, but they are away, and the affected articles are increasing at an alarming rate. Any help would be appreciated. Too many articles to request page protection, I think. This has been going on for weeks now. Scr★pIron^IV 19:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi ScrapIronIV - sure, I'm taking a look now. Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:18, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for a quick response - I realized that if I continued to revert, then I would become part of the problem... :-) Scr★pIron^IV 19:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

You bet. That IP was clearly one of many that's been block evading and adding the same content back to these articles. Looks like I might have to make a round and hit some of these articles with a grey lock - this disruption looks to back weeks on some of these... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Very persistent, this one. Let's all be thankful for the bulk-revert scripts! Favonian (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Definitely. The revert script I use saved a ton of time... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I went through each article that this IP edited and put a two-week semi on the ones that were getting hit hard. If more IPs spring up or if I need to look at an article that's being peppered up by this user, let me know and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello Oshwah, I new to Wikipedia and I'm sure to have made a mistake or two. Nothing deliberate at all.

I do have a question for you and I hope that you can help me out. When I click on the "bell", located at the top of my screen, I have a few new messages. One message, from "Mvcg66b3r", indicates that "....is clearly not here to contribute to Wikipedia....". I've tied clicking on that message to find out more, but I am unable. Yes, this is a case of a new user, but maybe you can help me to understand: (a)how to get to the message (insult!), and (b)how to resolve the problem.

Cheers, Rick-7 (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rick-7, and welcome to Wikipedia! The "bell" you're referring to is your notifications. You can view the full list of your notifications by clicking here. I'm not sure exactly what that notification refers to; I'd have to have you type exactly what the notification is stating. A good tip: You can change your notification settings in your preferences under the "notifications" tab (or by clicking here). Please let me know if you have any more questions. I also highly recommend that you go through and complete this Wikipedia tutorial - it will provide you with a lot of important information and help you to learn the basics of navigating through the project, where important guidelines and information is located, and how to collaborate and network with others. It'll make your experience much better and the learning curve much more smooth for you. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask me them. I'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Filth

Hey Oshwah, hope your well. Can you do something with this troll? Best regards. Cassianto^Talk 19:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cassianto! It's good to run into you once again! This IP looks to be evading a block, so I've handled it accordingly ;-). Please let me know if you need anything else and I'll be happy to help. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

The three day rangeblock I put on 197.251.173.184/19 expired. Extended it. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

NeilN - Perfect! Thanks for doing that. I wasn't aware that this was disruption over a range. I'll need to take a gander and see what this user has been up to... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Cassianto^Talk 21:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

ANI Close

It's really disheartening to read your closing statement here. The "logical next step" should have been closing the ANI report. A lot of potential "next steps" were skipped when SarekOfVulcan jumped to a block. Surely you of all people could sympathize with that. Mr Ernie (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mr Ernie, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your input and thoughts. My closing statement on the ANI (and what I stated on Darkness Shines' talk page) was absolutely not intended to cause feelings of discouragement and frustration. My goal was to try and explain why such a block (in this situation) was warranted. I believe that 'Darkness' felt that his report was correct and legitimate, and I have no qualms or issues with anybody asking for admin assistance - even if they turn out to be wrong. If it were up to me, I wouldn't have called the block a "bad-faith IBAN report" and I wouldn't have applied one for two weeks; I don't believe that the ANI was created with the intention of stirring the pot of causing disruption to the project. However, I don't believe that the block was poorly placed. He was discussing an interaction ban, one that actively applied to him as a sanction. When he began to become frustrated and argue his thoughts in the manner that he did, he was given a final warning to stop, drop the stick, and walk away. Had he had just said, "Okay, I'll drop the stick" and left things at that, I don't think he would have been blocked (I certainly wouldn't have placed one after he agreed to calm down and stop). He chose not to. While I would have handled the duration and block reason differently, I believe that SarekOfVulcan was more than fair to 'Darkness' in regards to allowing him to argue his point and voice some (completely understandable) frustration. But when he wouldn't respond to repeated attempts to drop the stick, he continued, and this what drove the block to be applied. Are blocks like these usually necessary in this situation? Yes (especially given that he's discussion a two-way IBAN involving him). Do blocks like these make me happy? Absolutely not. It never feels good to see a user legitimately trying to express frustration, and have things end where we have to block someone :-/. I appreciate you for voicing your concerns here, and I hope my response here has helped to explain my viewpoint and what I was trying to accomplish with these statements. If you have any more questions or concerns, please know that my talk page is always open to you. You are welcome here, and your input and feedback is welcome here. I'll do my very best to try and listen and help. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah, this was a shit block and you should be able to recognize it. Given Sarek's involvement with DS, he is in no position to block him. It's something that Sarek has been admonished for doing before as well. Nihlus 21:43, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Nihlus - I am not aware of any past admonishments given to SarekOfVulcan as you described - I'll give it a read as a completely neutral party and examine what happened and what was done. Who knows, maybe there will be good information regarding community input in these situations that might help. Although I agree that the duration and reasoning given was much different than I would have applied, given the fact that this is an IBAN sanction involving him and the continued responses after being asked to stop, a block wasn't unfair. I'm of course not taking WP:AC/DS or involvement into account (I think you meant AC/DS when you said "DS"?). If you could elaborate or explain further, I'd like to understand your thoughts and discuss them if you wish. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I was referring to Darkness with DS. Also, you can find some info at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SarekOfVulcan 2. There have also been Arbcom cases. Nihlus 21:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to file one if you think it's necessary. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

No where did I imply that; however, given your history and continued inability to demonstrate self-control, I am sure it will get there eventually. Nihlus 22:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

This episode has reached a sad but inevitable end. C.W. Gilmore was also blocked for an IBAN violation, and Darkness Shines has apparently retired with a note that he will be back soon under a new account. Sarek I hope you still think you’ve done the right thing. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Uh oh! I saw that edit summary note too - I hope that Darkness Shines knows that he cannot do this. Per Wikipedia's clean start policy, you're not eligible for this if you have any active sanctions or editing restrictions - his IBAN disqualifies him from doing this in compliance with policy. This would be considered an attempt to evade and avoid community scrutiny with his edits and would fall into the sock puppetry realm very easily. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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Don't get it? Don't worry, it's just a joke. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 23:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

Hi it was mistake...I was just learning how to edit a wiki page...It won't happen again.Thanks for your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thamizh43 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

sorry my son got on my computer sorry for the inconvenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.239.159 (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

You changed my stuff on Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2. I know what I am talking about i watched it last night. And by the way i didnt vandalize anything! Interesting but weird hair by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.252.140 (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandal

Hey, he did it again on my user page. different IP address. I appreciate what you do. Garuda28 (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Garuda28 - Thanks for letting me know - all taken care of. Please let me know if you need anything else or if more come your way, and I'll gladly handle it for you :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks like he’s spamming IP addresses. While I hate to do it, is there a way to keep IPs from posting on my page? Garuda28 (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Garuda28 - Way ahead of ya ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Much approximated! Have a great day!Garuda28 (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Garuda28 - You bet; always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandal part two

Hey, stop vandalizing other vandals' vandalisms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.142.228.135 (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

He won't stop, It is our job to remove vandalism.. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 13:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Please block IP

217.197.136.43 vandalizing Kotromanić dynasty. PLease do something--C3r4 ((ask me)) 19:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

C3r4 -  Done. Let me know if you need anything else and I'll be happy to help :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:37, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, that was fast. Good job. Best regards, --C3r4 ((ask me)) 19:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

There is another abusing IP again (220.136.122.222). On my talk page. I've guess it's open proxy. --C3r4 ((ask me)) 19:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

C3r4 - All taken care of ;-). Let me know if you see any more and I'll be happy to zap em. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

IP 77.238.217.106 vandalizing again the same article.--C3r4 ((ask me)) 14:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Strange userpage and "threat"

Hi,

I came across [[[REDACTED - Oshwah]|this]], which looks a bit queer: I have no idea what he means by "threat", and the previous revision seems to be a BLP violation. Does this need to be revdelled? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - I went ahead and err'd on the side of caution and just deleted it as a G2. While the G2 policy states that it cannot be used within the user space (and applying it to a sandbox too... lol), this is a case where I'm willing to do so anyways given the information added to the page - thanks for letting me know about this. If you need anything else, you know where to find me :-). Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I've also just come across this. Is there a guideline about posting information about other people (I assume it's someone else) in one's userspace? (the first revision claimed the page is for testing) Further complicating this is that the word has multiple meanings, and it surely depends on which one is intended? Adam9007 (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - This just looks like childish test editing / junk to me - I'm just going to leave well enough alone. But to answer your question: If a user begins adding things to their user space about other people... it depends on what they're adding about them when it comes to determining whether or not the content violates policy. What you'll typically see in regards to violations like this are the creation of attack pages (which we delete per G10), or the creation blatant advertising or promotion of someone (which we delete per G11). If you need anything else, you know where to find me ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

(buttinsky) I would have deleted it as an attack page. In fact I think I still will. "So-and-so is gay" is one of the most common forms of juvenile vandalism here, and it is virtually always intended as an insult to someone the user knows in Real Life. (I once read a satirical description of what WP editors are like; one of the characteristics alleged is that WP editors "obviously have lots of gay friends.") --MelanieN (talk) 03:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

MelanieN - A G10 would be acceptable, too. Go for it :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

There's WP:USERBIO, which says: Personal information of other persons without their consent. Whether "gay" would be considered personal information depends on the sense used. Adam9007 (talk) 03:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

re: "depends on the sense used": Adam, there is no chance that the word "gay" in this context means happy or merry or lively any of the things it used to mean decades ago. It either means homosexual, or else it is used as a generic juvenile insult. On Wikipedia when someone, especially a new user, posts "so-and-so is gay", it is virtually always the latter. --MelanieN (talk) 05:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Big broom, please

Would you consider trying to sweep up after the soap opera that took place earlier here? I put up the template to try avoiding commotion but that didn't work. ;) Would like to have it settled so it can't be continued later. I've never spoken with you before, so it can't be said I asked one of my friends to do the clean up. Thanks, We hope (talk) 02:25, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi We hope - Happy Saturday (or... Sunday... depending on where you're from)! I'm confused on what's going on and what you need me to assist you with exactly. You diff here is to an edit where you remove part of Jcc's comment and then state that you've done so. But that edit also has a "diff to check" which is here - an edit that contains a another diff to this edit, where Jcc added to his comment (which is part of what you later removed from it). I'm not sure what you're asking when you say that you need me to "sweep up" something on this page? I mean, sure, Jcc's comment wasn't the most positive one in the world... and yeah, the part of his comment asking SagaciousPhil is going to play the role of an "attack dog" is snippy... but I'm not sure why you removed part of it. Did you respond to his comment and express your concerns to him directly? what did he say when you tried to talk to him? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

It started as my removal of his PAs against others. Knew there would probably be a storm about altering his remarks, so I thought it would be smart to have an admin take a look at what was removed and why. He had been altering his posts after the reply, so I added the altered diff. You see the result of the "conversation" on the TP. When I asked if he thought the other editor deserved to be called an "attack dog", his reply is here, hence My BS remark. The accusations of this being a "stunt" to silence the opposition, etc. came before that. I'm not viewing this as a civil discussion in the least. It looks like he's free to dole this out ad lib and unhappy when it's responded to in kind. We hope (talk) 03:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

We hope - It's not a big deal if someone wants to alter their own comments to add more to it, fix things, clarify, or remove things (if they're doing so to correct or clarify). If they want to redact or "take back" something they say, it should done by striking out the text instead of removing it. I'm not sure why you're adding diffs about this and pointing to them so much.

Well, yeah... when you make responses to him with comments such as this, and then follow-up up with even more incivility - of course it's not going to be a civil discussion in the least... lol. Why would you do that? This isn't making you look any better in my eyes than what you feel his edits were making you feel. That is not an acceptable way to behave and not a way to get your point across. So basically from what I read: there was a snippy comment you felt was out of line, you asked him about it, his response wasn't what you wanted, and now you're being uncivil and combative towards him...

What do you want me to do? ..... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Forget it We hope (talk) 03:47, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

We hope - I wasn't trying to scold you and I'm not trying to chase you away from here or put you down at all. When I see an issue, I want to make sure that everyone who needs to be talked to and learn from it, and that I treat everyone with the same mindset. I'm just trying to emphasize to you that responding to what you perceive as incivility and with incivility isn't going to resolve the issue or improve the nature and demeanor of the discussion. I think what you need to do is step back from the discussion and let things go for now. When discussions start going in the direction that it's at right now, it never ends well. Let's step back for a bit and re-evaluate how we're collaborating here :-). If you want to move the discussion toward a positive direction, I suggest apologizing to him for the comments and try and work with him to keep the discussion positive. Let me know how this goes, and I'll be happy to help you if you need anything - just respond and ask :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

No subject

Can i ask you why you deleted my artical — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickyjamelcangri2326 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

He's back

Hi! I'm afraid the looney who thinks he's King of Bosnia is back. Please see the history of the Kotromanić dynasty article. Surtsicna (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Surtsicna, thanks for letting me know. Looks like everything is all taken care of. If you see any more, report them to AIV or let me know. Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Ping

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BilCat - Responded. Thanks for the email :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

You're most welcome. - BilCat (talk) 21:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

3 percenters

Just wanted to respond about the changes that were made. You can obviously do what you want, but I personally felt among others that what was down was extremely bias in many manners and just rephrased it for the most part, so that it was a NEUTRAL statement. All I did was change it to only have actual verifiable FACTS and not OPINION if you want and maybe should even make a change to wikipedia layout where you can have actual FACTS first then down below OPINIONS on the bottom

Also that I don't have any affiliation with the Three Percenters but was trying to do them justice since Wikipedia obviously had/has major bias on certain subjects. As proof of said BIAS please look below

You source for [1]&[3]

Proven Extreme Leftist Bias Journalist - Spencer Sunshine

You can clearly see that all of this persons writing is directly skewed against what he is writing about when it involves the Right

link to evidence here: https://www.politicalresearch.org/author/s-sunshine/

All of his headliners "say" everything on Neutrality

Also if you won't put my Actual Neutral Starting Statement back I would like to request that you or whoever atleast Vet your sources and find some thats objective

```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2D80:C016:901E:F979:9976:2455:3AF (talk) 01:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Your change here introduced content that appears to be in violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. I highly recommend that you review this policy and let me know if you have any questions about the page I linked you to. Thanks for leaving me a message, and I wish you happy editing. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Anna Suzuki

Hi. I edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Suzuki You said, I did not leave a reference. But in fact, I did. There is only 1 reference on the page and it contains all information there ever was in the page. If you open archive.org link, there is some porn cover with her date of birth. It clearly shows 1984 and not 1983. I am pretty sure the original poster was jerking off when writing the article and moved his hand too hard, reaching 3 instead of 4.

No, but really. Before you revert, maybe just open the one reference that comes at the end of the sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.164.90 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! I don't see where this person's birthday is mentioned anywhere within the source you pointed me to - can you help me out here? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

A horrible personal attack

Hi, I saw you were online recently and wanted to know if this was a personal attack: "Wikipedia is based on the ideal that people with actual souls are expected to smile and nod to people like Sir Joseph, WV, and you while not pointing out that you're intimately aligned with racists. " I read it as such and I take extreme exception to this. I know that many admins think civility is just a guideline, especially when they're concerned but I really have had enough with this specific editor insulting me and others. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 22:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Oshwah. On the off chance that you haven't seen it this is related to this thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Feedback requested: "shithole" countries. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 22:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: What, is this admin shopping after the ANI has been closed, or what? What?! >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 22:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not admin shopping, I'm waiting for someone to call him out on his personal attacks. This is not the first time (not necessarily to me) that Floq has violated NPA and CIVIL. Being called a racist should most certainly be against policy on Wikipedia, even by an admin. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 23:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It sure looks like admin shopping to me. - Sitush (talk) 00:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

How is it admin shopping? Someone insults me and I'm not allowed to ask an admin for help? Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 15:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Well: eight admins participated in the above AN/I thread, which surely can't be an insufficiency of admins;<sup>(collective noun, perhaps?!)</sup> so asking a ninth is not exactly going to deflect suggestions that you may be on a shopping trip  :) I'm just saying, I suppose, that's what's often important is not how things appear to oneself, but how they appear to others. >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 16:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I didn't open any admin thread, and the comment above is not even from the ani thread, it's from a talk page. So explain to me again how asking an admin to comment on a talk page comment is admin shopping. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 16:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Sir Joseph - I mean... I certainly wouldn't call that statement a very positive one... would you? lol. I see that this was a subject of discussion at ANI and that it closed with agreement by admins there. Are there other concerns? What's up? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, this comment was not at ANI, this was an additional insult. I'm just reaching a point where I'm ready to give up on civility. I was told repeatedly that saying "fuck off" is OK, and now being called a horrible person, or soulless, or racist is allowed as well. I don't need it and it enables toxicity in the environment. I don't know what I want because if there's one thing I learned in my 10+ years here is not to antagonize the admins so I might as well let it be but I had thought civility should be enforced regardless of who made the comments. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 20:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

And now Davey2010 has called me a racist as well. This is getting out of hand, is this the latest witchhunt? Since when do we allow personal attacks if we disagree with someone? And then I get told I'm not allowed to respond or seek clarification? This is ludicrous and again, adds to the toxicity of this place. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 22:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea if you're racist or not (or soulless, for that matter, though as an Atheist my default position is obvious). But there's an old bit of wisdom my father liked to tell me that's stood me in good stead through the years. If one man calls you a dog, ignore him. But when three men call you a dog, best check yourself for fleas. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:09, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate that but that also breeds mass/cult/group think. And what is worse is that I have to say "I'm not a racist." and all of you respond, that's what racists say, so there is no way to defend against these horrible attacks. There are many countries in the world I would consider shithole countries and saying that is not racist. I think Sweden (for example) is a shithole country, does that make me racist? We need to stop this auto attack and group think pile on and realize that attacking people serves no purpose. And again, your comment does in a way insinuate that I and others are racist and that is wrong. Again, there is nothing wrong, by itself, for calling a country a shithole country. If you single out a country solely because of a race, religion, ethnicity or whatever, then that would be racist, but taking everything else into account before deciding on shitholery score is not racist. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 22:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Are you being serious? Nihlus 22:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Please clarify? And again, he insults me, and another winning admin adds on, but if I dare respond to seek clarification, my edits get reverted. Is that fair? So I get attacked and have no right to defend myself?Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 22:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Joe, what I'm saying here is that if people keep calling you racist, maybe it's because you keep saying things that make you look like a racist. I'm advising you to -in the future- carefully consider your word choice before commenting, and possibly to re-evaluate your views on a number of these issues to see if that human predilection for being racist which we all share is perhaps influencing them in a direction that a purely objective critical approach would not. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Damn, Sir Joseph please stop; somehow you find a way to make yourself look worse than you were before. Oh, and Göra en höna av en fjäder...or something like that (my Swedish isn't strong) :) TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

MPants at workI disagree with that. Criticizing any country is not racist, same as criticizing any person is not racist, unless it is done because of race. Simple as that. One can argue that it is the low expectation racism that makes people automatically assume any criticism is racist. I criticized Sweden for example for valid reasons, and same with other countries on my shithole index. So when I asked repeatedly for clarification, one should clarify rather than keep calling someone racist just because he did something you didn't like. Again, we do a disservice when we label all criticism as racist when it's not. It shuts down valid discussions and for those who are on the fence, it steers them towards fringe and dangerous viewpoints. (There has been a piece in the NYT recently by a college professor about this phenomena.) And this is besides the point, the point of me discussing this was an egregious personal attack, by an admin that is still unchecked. That is all. It is clear it's a violation of policy and many people, myself included, have been blocked for far less. I don't really want to continue this discussion, but I don't like being attacked for no valid reason other than not toeing the groupthink line. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 23:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

And just for the record, I'm not just a keyboard warrior. I put my own time, money and lawsuits in place to make my community a better place and that is why this is so hard for me to tolerate these personal attacks. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 23:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Joe, advice can be taken or ignored, but arguing with it is really not helping you at all. Ever read WP:1AM? You really should. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Sir Joseph - I don't feel that your messages here expressing your concerns, feelings, and thoughts constitute "antagonizing" at all :-). I've learned over the many years of being here that incivility and personal attacks are identified and handled inconsistently, and that the interpretation and the enforcement of such violations are enforced differently depending on the tenure and editing experience of the editor in question (among other things). That sucks. It sets an unfair enforcement standard and gives leeway to some editors for things that would result in other editors being blocked. That, in principal, and with any policy or guideline... is really not cool. We should be better about defining these policies, as well as holding those who violate them accountable. I've tried my best to set an example and enforce civility violations fairly, but I've been met with opposition during some of these such times, and it makes doing so in a manner that's "acceptable" difficult. I think that part of the issue is that many admins have tried to do the same thing I've tried in the past, were met with push-back and opposition to where such discussions became stressful and overwhelming, and such issues are subject to by the bystander effect as a result. I'm not saying that this is what happened with your situation or the ANI discussion that was linked here, but it does point out some of the problems that I've noticed or felt was occurring when I look into the issue from a big-picture perspective... hence, I understand your thoughts and where you're coming from. It's hard... what does one do? :-/ ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 06:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

It's a tough situation to be in. I don't envy you at all. Maybe we need to have some sort of commission or committee look into this issue and figure out ways to handle this, especially with admins violating civility because that should not be tolerated at all. And the inconsistency you mentioned is a big deal. I still remember when I was blocked for saying "X is a bad admin..." as a personal attack while people are throwing around other insults left and right and get no block. Maybe a three person (?) committee to handle civility actions against admins and then there won't be repercussions against those people. One of the issues is as you mentioned, it all depends on the perp. I know, and I'm sure you know, there are unblockables here, including admins. There are also admins who can do no wrong and also have a posse to back them up. What might help is term limits, or terms for admins and having to go through RFA to renew adminship. But I do have to say that I do limit my editing in certain areas because of the civil issues and I just don't need to deal with that just to edit Wiki. Anyway, that's just my ramblings for the day. Sir Joseph <sup>(talk)</sup> 15:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I mean I strongly disagree with Sir Joseph but it's an personal attack to say that he is "intimately aligned" with racists. On the whole, the discussion on one's own view on the "shithole" comment is unnecessary but there's no need to personalize a discussion. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I've casually followed this issue around several pages (as a 'bystander', one might say) and am interested by the comments above regarding inconsistency over civility. I agree this is an issue on the site, because not only is the resultant unfairness likely to engender grievances and a loss of editors, it also results in decisions being made not according to what has been done, but who did it - resulting in all sorts of social jostling and camp forming (not to mention alliances being forged via private email), which isn't healthy. On Wikipedia there is insufficient separation (in fact, there is zero separation) between the site's politics and its (quasi) judicial system. But it is very unlikely that anything will change as a result of internal dynamics, because the semi-democratic, semi-anarchic societal structure that forms Wikipedia has a skewed demographic that, by and large, responds with hostility to anything resembling rules of authority. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Unblock of page

Hello, Oshwah,

I am trying to unblock one wiki page and it has gone blocked for an infinite time. Can you help me to make that page going live as per the wiki rules and regularization.

Dilip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.72.75.122 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I can take a look. What page are you referring to exactly? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

False dates vandal

Hi. again active. Cheers.--Phso2 (talk) 11:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Phso2 - It looks like the edits from that IP has stopped, so there's no point of blocking it now. If you see any more, report it to AIV or let me know. AIV will be faster and get the attention of more admins, FYI ;-). ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

New user looking to be gaming the system

Howdy! Sorry to bother you with this when I know your hands are approaching fullness capacity, but if you get a chance to take a look at this new user's contributions ([1]), it appears strongly that he is making dummy edits to gain confirmation. I forget what the consensus is re: what to do when it looks like this game is afoot but the user hasn't engaged in any vandalism yet. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Julietdeltalima! It's nice to see you again! I hope your weekend went well and that you're having a good day today :-). I left a warning on the user's talk page - hopefully this will encourage the user to stop or encourage them to respond to the message. I agree that something doesn't look right; this is typically what people will do in order to get their accounts set as confirmed or extended confirmed quickly and without drawing attention to their intentions. Keep an eye on it, and let me know if problems continue. Thanks again for the message :-). ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Yep, I was pretty sure that was the most likely explanation. Glad to give you a relatively meaningless bit of business this afternoon in between brokering peace accords and—pffttHAHAHAH!!—blocking talk-show hosts... Thanks for your patient wisdom as always! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 23:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Actuallyjimmykimmel

Hey Oshwah,

Just to let you know (in case you didn't already), this account you've blocked is indeed Jimmy Kimmel himself. For more information, watch this (well, skip to 4:36): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrbqsBNh8Q

WdS | Talk 22:32, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wishva de Silva! Thanks for letting me know! Well, if it's indeed him, He still needs to follow the directions on the block notice on his user talk page, and contact the appropriate response team to verify his identity in order for the account to be unblocked. Thanks again for the information - I appreciate it very much. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes I do understand, you did the right thing. Please watch that video though! WdS | Talk 22:39, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm watching it now. Hilarious! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks like the edits were made by [REDACTED - Oshwah], but there's a typo in the edit that isn't actually in the video. Tsk, tsk... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I saw that too ;-). ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

How was that redactable? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Responded to you via email. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• You do realize that no matter what you do for the remainder of your life, you are doomed to be remembered as the admin who blocked Jimmy Kimmel. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Ad Orientem - He's not the only famous person I've blocked... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I've got you beat: I blocked this guy! --MelanieN (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

MelanieN - You win. lol ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it should only count if we can be reasonably sure it is the real person. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Spoilsport. Actually I was immediately accused of having blocked my husband. But since I'm not the real Melania Trump either, I guess that cancels out. --MelanieN (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Meh. That was almost within the first week of me getting the bit. Given the previous ED's unfamiliarity with Wikipedia norms, you can bet I was praying, "I hope I haven't screwed this up, I hope I haven't screwed this up..." --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 23:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

That was WP:BOLD of you. But apparently you HADN'T screwed it up, so well done. --MelanieN (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

BTW - was that video faked? Because it showed him editing his own Wikipedia article, but there's no evidence - either at the article or at the user's contribution history - that this username ever did that. --MelanieN (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@MelanieN: He probably read our WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:COI policies and didn't hit Publish! See, they work! --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 00:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

HA! ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Suuuuure he did. Just like all new editors do. --MelanieN (talk) 00:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

LOL. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 18:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see ticket:2018011710000361. OTRS verified so the account should be unblocked. Nihlus 00:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Nihlus - Stand by... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Account is unblocked. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Now if only I hadn't typed UTRS out of habit... SQL<sup>Query me!</sup> 00:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

HA! Oh well, the important part is that the situation was handled correctly and professionally. See, we're not all bad people! :-P ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup>

Wow - he actually READ the instructions on the block notice! Well done Oshwah! --MelanieN (talk) 00:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

This is going to be a thing. --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 21:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

NeilN - Yeah, I've seen the youtube videos. This isn't the first account I've blocked that turned out to actually be the person who the username represented. But it's policy - we have to... and for their benefit. I also take it a step further - if a username pops up representing an obviously famous person and they've made edits to Wikipedia, I rev del the username from those edits until the account is confirmed via OTRS. This assures that no edits or changes on Wikipedia get falsely attributed to them in real life should they draw attention, and we don't look like a website where "this person apparently said that"... that's the last thing we need to have happen... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:14, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

• Osh, if you're trying to hide the account that actually made those edits, there's some edits to the page itself that need revdelling. It took me about 2 minutes to figure out what account was used. I'll give you a list of edits to revdel if you want, since I've got that info at hand in another tab already. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

MPants at work - I'll take another look. If you want to email me that list, it would be extremely helpful and appreciated :-D ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:43, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wait, are you talking about the account that was created after this one? If so, the edits themselves don't need to be hidden, but any edits that state "this user went and created another account and "here it is" - do need to be redacted, as the user didn't disclose this connection on-wiki; technically, we'd be outing by saying so. I know there's... a video on the internet (lol) clearly showing the person making these edits, but that's off-wiki and does not count as an on-wiki disclosure of his identity with the account. Thanks again for the heads-up MPants at work - I'd like to see that list so I can be absolutely sure that we have our bases fully covered in this aspect. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

No, I'm saying that I was able to look up which username Kimmell used to make those edits in about two minutes. The list is coming via email in just a moment. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

MPants at work - Got'cha. Okay, yeah I'll check out that list. If you could detail how you "looked it up", I'll make sure that there are no edits by users that provide this connection. Otherwise, the edits themselves are okay - no need to redact. Edits stating "this is Jimmy!" are not. Hopefully that makes sense :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done The first link I sent is the one that led me to the edits in question, though I would have found them eventually, in any case. I knew what page and what content to check for. But I'm 99% sure that if you revdel the edits I sent, you'll have hidden everything, except maybe any possible chatter on user talk pages about it (it's the sort of thing that some editors would want to gossip about). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Received and resolved. Thank you, MPants at work! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

And the moral of the story is: Sometimes sticking your nose in stuff that's none of your business can be a good thing! (Don't let my kids know, though.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Reminder about Blocking consultation

Hello again,

The discussion about new blocking tools and improvements to existing blocking tools is happening on English Wikipedia and is in the final days. Also there is a global discussion about the same topic on meta.

We contacted you because you are one of the top users of the blocking tool on this wiki. We think that your comments will help us make better improvements. Thank you if you have already shared your thoughts. There is still time to share your ideas.

If you have questions you can contact me on wiki or by email.

For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

SPoore (WMF) - I left some comments, but I'll go through it again before it closes. Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 23:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Got Rid of My Edit

Why did you get rid of my edit? Jimmy (otherwise known as James), is extremely well known around the town of River Vale. I am disgusted that you would do such a thing, as I was only trying to keep the world up to date, with the most unfake news. Jimmy is a cool guy. I am telling the truth.Jimmysmith18 (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Jimmy Smith

WHY?

v confused — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmysmith18 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Answered on user talk. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

My really bad page - MrRPButler - about a fairly prominent skin surgeon from New Zealand

Hi Oshwah. I see you deleted my page. UnderstandHi osjwahable - it's wasn't great but I was just starting out. I'm not trying to create a webpage - I am trying to put together wiki about Dr Sharad Paul - in the same vein as say one like Atul Gawande. I do know the Dr but am essentially trying to do him a favour. Is there anyway I can get my copy back? Did I sign up under the wrong banner (I do get paid by Dr Sharad - but not really for this... long story).

Thanks. Ryan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrRPButler (talk • contribs) 02:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi MrRPButler! Welcome to Wikipedia! Ahh, okay. I thought you were either that person or directly related to him. What I'll do is restore the page and then move it to your sandbox here. Then, you can take all the time you need to work on the page and expand it. I apologize for the confusion; please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 02:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for Undoing Vandalism! Keep up the hard work! Thegooduser talk 02:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thegooduser! Thank you for taking the time to leave me this barnstar! I appreciate it a lot! I hope you're having a great day, and I wish you happy editing :-). Until we meet again -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 02:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh sorry that was my baby brother.Thanks for letting me know!:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:8502:19A0:94A:A424:DAB0:2D05 (talk) 02:44, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Philip Zimbardo edit

Hello,

    So I saw you edited my post. So at this moment I could not find the source, but many schools from where I am from do refer to him as Uncle Phil but if you could please help me find a source for that I would truly appreciate it. thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.145.157 (talk) 02:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC) 

What are you saying?02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)02:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)Zixuan56 (talk)

Hello

Hello im maria and i have to ask someone if the stuff on here is real of fake????HEYSTAR100 (talk) 02:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

HEYSTAR100 - I'm not sure what you're asking... your edit here was inappropriate and was reverted because it was disruptive. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 06:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Larry Sanger

Please reverse your change to the page's protection level. The account you blocked was autoconfirmed, and the article had been semi-protected indef already. Sro23 (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Sro23 - I was pretty damn sure that edit protection wasn't set when I looked, but reviewing the log history shows that it was. Thanks for the heads up; I've restored the previous duration of the page's edit protection. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 03:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Sro23 - I'm actually considering bumping it to extended confirmed protection after reviewing the history of this page and what this user's intent was clearly upon doing... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 03:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

It's up to you. I say go for it. Sro23 (talk) 03:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Obama's America page

I disagree with you. See the wiki page for Propaganda Film. Obama's America fits the description.

Here's Wiki's definition of 'documentary film':

A documentary film is a nonfictional motion picture intended to document some aspect of reality, primarily for the purposes of instruction, education, or maintaining a historical record.[1]

Here's Wiki's definition of 'propaganda film':

A propaganda film is a film that involves some form of propaganda. Propaganda films may be packaged in numerous ways, but are most often documentary-style productions or fictional screenplays, that are produced to convince the viewer of a specific political point or influence the opinions or behavior of the viewer, often by providing subjective content that may be deliberately misleading.[1]

It isn't meant as partisan opinion to change this. It's meant to clasify the movie more definitively. If you disagree, please read the movie summary or reviews of the movie. Or watch it. It is not 'nonfictional' and therefore is not a documentary. It was, however, meant to 'convince the viewer of a specific political point or influence the opinions or behavior of the viewer, often by providing subjective content that may be deliberately misleading.' That is a PERFECT description of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.86.184 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

hi

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manikonduru.1906 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

No subject

Thanks brother i am indian . Professor Muslim Md Habibullah (talk) 02:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Huggle config

Thank you very much for your help - it was indeed the huggle3.css file that's been causing the problems - I didn't give the user-space edit permissions to the bot password/account. I also replied to you on my talk page, but just wanted to make sure that you know that your input helped a lot. Thanks, once again. =) BytEfLUSh <sup>Talk</sup> 06:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

BytEfLUSh - Awesome! I'm glad you figured out where the issue was, and I'm glad that I was able to help. No problem :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 07:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

oshwah, i have faced vandelism in past my account was blocked . now please do not do it — Preceding unsigned comment added by FARZI (talk • contribs) 07:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

When you edit like this [2] he pretty much have to. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Saqib - I just looked through this guy's contributions in depth, and yeah... he's done. :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 08:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Mount Olympus School Gurgaon

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 08:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 08:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Qualifying for Rollback Feature

Hi, I recently started patrolling Wikipedia for vandalism and contributing in small bouts here and there. I've been using Twinkle so far, well because that's the easiest tool to get started with but I'd like to apply for rollback permissions to essentially move on to Huggle and other vandalism patrol tools. Before I put myself up for nomination at Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback, I'd like to know whether I would be a good candidate for the Rollback permissions or I still need some more weight under my belt(in terms of edits and work done on Wikipedia) to prove I'll be able to use the tool well. p.s I'm already using the rollback tool on Twinkle, I would like to get the rollback permissions to start exploring huggle. Thelost byte (talk) 09:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thelost byte! Thanks for leaving me a message with your request - sure, no problem. I just took a glance through your contributions and analysis of your edits. You don't seem to be having any issues that would give me pause. The only thing I think that might get you some push back with your request is your tenure and overall experience. You have ~250 total edits, with the majority of them being the last three months, and while the policy throws "200 edits" out as a number, that's explaining the line that puts an editor into the WP:NOTYET range. I don't see anything you've done that would cause you difficulty applying for it now, it's simply what you haven't done yet that might - which is simply that you need more experience and time. I think that some admins might not think you have enough total experience yet, or that you need more time to show that you can revert vandalism and use rollback consistently and over a period of time first. That being said, I don't discourage you from applying at all. But if you want to wait until you're at a level where I'm certain you'd be approved, I'd apply once you reach 400 edits reverting vandalism and using rollback. It's your call - the worst thing that could happen is that the admin says "no" ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 09:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Of course, lying on one's user page isn't particularly encouraging... >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 09:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 - Please don't jump to conclusions :-/. Can you please explain what you mean? Diffs would be good as well... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe you might be referring to the infobox on his userpage that gives an incorrect tenure. Let's just ask him instead of calling him a liar - Thelost byte, why does your userbox state that your account is 11 years old? This account was created about a year ago... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, apologies for the word 'lying'- 'mistaken' would have sufficed, of course. >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 10:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah If I'm not mistaken the account was actually created on 29th January 2012(checking from when Wikipedia sent me an email to confirm my account). I just confirmed and began using it last year mostly that's why my edits are clustered around the past few months. Must've been a mistake on my part in using that info-box template on my userpage.
Serial Number 54129 thanks for bringing that up, mistake on my part. I hope this clears your speculations if any?Thelost byte (talk) 10:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

It does not. It's not in itself a massive problem, but when one is requesting advanced permissions, one is expected to demonstrate a degree of accuracy and precision—rollback, particularly, can do a lot of harm when wielded bluntly— and I'm afraid that, in light of the correct date, this seems to doubledown on it. What was the name of the account you registered in 2012, Thelost byte? Cheers! >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 10:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Thelost byte, to help explain Serial Number 54129's response: He is just concerned about the dates you're using to show the date of your account creation (which is the date that you put in this infobox). The date you just changed your infobox to be is around four years prior to what Wikipedia's logs show here is your actual account creation date. I don't think it's a huge deal, and I'm not trying to make any accusations... But I am curious: where exactly are you getting these dates from? :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

~Oshwah~ Serial Number 54129 Happy to help. The account I created was Swagzmania created on 29th Jan 2012. If you'd like proof here's [[REDACTED - Oshwah]| a screenshot of the email]. Indeed as you put it, if I'd like greater privileges to be accorded to me, I must prove a higher degree of accuracy. In the same breath I must say people make mistakes at times and when you brought this to my attention I immediately corrected the mistake and replaced it with the correct facts.Thelost byte (talk) 10:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Thelost byte - I've redacted the URL to your screenshot because it contains personal information. I understand, and that sounds fine to me. Thanks for explaining; I don't see this as a big deal at all :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

So this is a kind of 'restart' account, Thelost byte? That's fine, and apologies for any aspersions you may have felt billowing in your general direction  :) may I suggest a link to the old a/c from your current user page? See: there's plenty of people far, far brighter than me here, so if I noticed, others are bound to—and it would be dull to have to repeat yourself over and over. Take care, and happy editing. >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 11:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

silicon Oxide

Thanks for letting me know i believe i made a mistake Wont happen again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baltique1 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

reply to your message

Hi Oswah

I have just received your message. You have removed the names I just entered as Notable Old Dragons?

I work at the school and there are people who have achieved great things and need to be there. What reference do you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roddy Bray (talk • contribs) 10:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Roddy Bray - See Wikipedia's guidelines on identifying reliable sources and how to cite sources in-line with your edits. These guidelines will answer your questions and assist you with doing so. If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for leaving me a message, and I wish you happy editing :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 12:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Moussa Diagana is my Cousin and he died yesterday 16/1/2018

As you see from the subject this is from Family member notifying of Moussa’s death — Preceding unsigned comment added by Momodou Bocar Semega-Janneh (talk • contribs) 11:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Momodou Bocar Semega-Janneh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Sorry, but edits like these must also cite or include a reliable-source with the content you're changing. We cannot accept edits that use personal experience, relationships, or information - it is not allowed on Wikipedia. This is a policy we enforce at a stricter level with articles that are biographies of living people. Please review these policies and guidelines and make sure that you understand them; they're very important. Please let me know if you have any questions about the pages I've linked you to, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for leaving me a message, and I welcome you again to Wikipedia. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 11:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

SPI question

To answer your question from this SPI, a separate report would have been preferable, but your comment made the situation clear enough that it doesn't really matter. That being said, I wouldn't file cases like this where everyone's already blocked, in the same way you're not expected to report your vandalism blocks to WP:AIV or edit-warring blocks to WP:ANEW. All this does is create more work for the clerks. It's no big deal, but it's also not necessary. The two exceptions to this are if you're asking for CheckUser evidence, or if the behavioural evidence is so unclear that you think others are unlikely to figure it out without documentation. For most WP:DUCK blocks, tagging the blocked accounts should be sufficient. I don't want to discourage you. Definitely err on the side of over-reporting if you're unsure. Just know that you don't need to report everything. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Sir Sputnik - Thank you very much for the message and the clarification - I appreciate your time very much :-). I try to document the events that I run into - I just feel that it's good for accountability and for record-keeping on my part (in my opinion at least)... but on the other hand, I also don't want to create unnecessary work for you or any other SPI clerks that have to review and close each one. In the past, I would create SPI reports like I do now (where everyone I've reported are now blocked), but I'd just simply set the status as closed when I save them. Is this preferred over what I'm doing now (leaving them open)? What are your thoughts? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:57, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I guess just bear in mind that any open case gets reviewed at least twice, once before closure, and once before archiving. For a case that you've already judged to be obvious and handed out blocks in, that seems like overkill to me. As an admin you are more than welcome to close any case where no further clerical, administrative or CU action is needed, including your own reports. If you think a report but no action is necessary, please do close them. However, these reports should really be the exception rather than the norm. In any other policy area, you don't go asking for a review of every single block you make. In the three months I've been clerking, you're the only admin I've encountered who reports their own blocks. And with good reason. I dread to think how backlogged SPI would be if we had to review every single duck-block. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

As an addendum: Have confidence in your own work. You do good work at SPI. You clearly know what you're doing when it comes to identifying and dealing with sockpuppets. You don't need the clerks to review every block. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Sir Sputnik - I appreciate the responses very much. I guess I also create them in order to save evidence so it can help keep a record and help future SPI's - how do we document behavior and patterns if we don't create SPI cases to be saved so it can be referenced later? I think maybe WP:LTA might what I'm looking for... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 05:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Hello Oswald, sorry I didn't fill the summary, I added the reasoning on the Talk tab of the article where I copy and pasted the content removed in case anyone wanted to restore it. The information was lacking sources so I could not trust it and thought if would be better to remove it in case it was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.248.208.61 (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Oswald?!?!? Nah, far better hair!!! >SerialNumber54129<sup>...speculates</sup> 20:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of page in progress

Hello,

our wiki article Beth-El congregation history, linked from History of the Jews in Fort Worth, Texas, was deleted, due to possible copyright violation.

The author of the article on the website we cited: http://www.bethelfw.org/about-us/history2/centennial is also the author of this wiki article. However, we removed the website and only used the book as a citation. will this suffice? Thank you Jewishfortworth (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Escape Room - External links

Hi, you recently removed a link I added to the article, "Escape Room". The current link "The Planets Escape Rooms" is a copy of a long established escape room directory, http://www.playexitgames.com/ - operational since 2015. I would recommend replacing "The Planets Escape Rooms" with "Play Exit Games". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.243.88 (talk) 00:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi oshwah

the pervious content that was on the bawab page was wrong, bawab is not a type of job as a doormen in Egypt, that is false as I been to Egypt and know my facts, I don't mean to vandalize anyones work, or erase anything, all I'm saying is the precious paragraph that was on it was wrong. Bawab is a family name in jordan and not a type of job in Egypt as I know so, and since I been to Egypt and know my history.

so that is why I change it

sincerely Jordan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous1234455 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Userpage

Hello Oshwah! I changed my userpage name color to teal. Can Colorblind people see teal? Thegooduser talk 03:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - It depends on the particular color blindness the person has and what colors affect them. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 03:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

hello

Rote zora committed several bombing attacks. Doesn't that make that a terrorist group? --110.144.94.188 (talk) 04:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

same with the anti-imperialist cell. These were terrorist groups, why do you want the articles to say they are militant groups instead of terrorist groups? --2001:8003:54DA:E600:4D63:99B:887:A5F2 (talk) 05:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

MariaJaydHicky

I added PinkbubblegumCharlotte - see [3]. MariaJaydHicky has been persistently trying to add Contemporary R&B as a genre in Camila (album). Soft pop (talk) 09:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm holding off until I see it edit again - I want to see what the account does. I'm actively watching it... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 09:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Wasted Youth

Present listing suggests that the release order is Reagan's In, Black Daze, Get Out of My Yard. It is not. The release dates are Reagan's In, Get Out of My Yard, Black Daze. As it is laid out, the page is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.180.218 (talk) 09:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

/* Halachic rulings and positions */ The original text made it sound like the Rav thinks married women shouldn't cover her hair, which is incorrect.

Hello Oshwah! The source is the same as for the next sentence. It's simply a change that corrects a potential misunderstanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebblumstein (talk • contribs) 09:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Anaal people

Hi, you've recently indeffed Khumlo Kaningtung as a vandalism-only account. I'm a bit surprised: some of their edits were problematic, but that's down to sloppiness and not using the preview button. But I'm only seeing their edits to existing pages. Are there deleted edits that are radically different from that? – Uanfala (talk) 09:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala - Stand by; I'm looking into this now... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

You appear to be correct. I saw that this account was editing "Anal" articles and, well, as you probably understand... that set off a red flag for me. But the edits themselves seem legitimate as a whole, so I've left the account unblocked. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala - Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I appreciate it very much. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

RevDel request

|{{diff2||[REDACTED - Oshwah]|Anti semitic edit summary}}| This was pretty clearly directed at me. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 09:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Bluntstuff

Hi. Thanks for taking care of the copyvio at Still (film). See this diff. Looks like Blunt stuff may be a username violation. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate - No problem :-)! I'd say that the username would be close enough to be considered associated with that domain - you're probably right. Either way, the issue (for now) is handled ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 11:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I think Blunt stuff is evading his block as an IP editor at Still (film). Every negative review in the reception just disappeared, after Blunt stuff previously tried to add a bit of promotional wording to the lead. Can you block the IP editors and/or semi-protect the article? I can't really take any action here. I created the article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

this is my first time editing, I am very new to this. I think I will update the page i edited again in the future as I gain experience. thank you for your helpDougscross (talk) 11:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dougscross, and welcome to Wikipedia! No problem - we were all new here once :-). Something very important you must know is that references need to be provided with the content you're adding. I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial. It will help you by guiding you through the interface, showing you our rules and guidelines and where to find them, and help you with how to message other users. If you have any questions, let me know. But definitely give the tutorial a go! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 11:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

No subject

whyd you get rid of my contribution, i worked hard thinking of a civilized way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesbeard88 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jamesbeard88! Welcome to Wikipedia! I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial - It will help you by guiding you through the interface, showing you our rules and guidelines and where to find them, and help you with how to message other users. It will also show you how to find and add references. If you have any questions, let me know. Welcome aboard! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 11:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

including citation / source

hi oshwah, i was wondering how you would add a source / citation to any article fact that i've edited.Deerestluhan (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC) Deerestluhan (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Deerestluhan - Have you went through and completed Wikipedia's new user tutorial? This tutorial will provide you a lot of help and how-to's (which includes teaching you how to find and include reliable sources). If you have any questions, let me know. This guide will be a big help to you - I hope you take my advice. Welcome again! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 11:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Gossamer edit

Hi, Trying to figure out how add the info requested. Would you mind restoring the line you removed and I will try creating a link with the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.238.38.50 (talk) 12:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Intention of wikipedia

Constructive?? I'm confused I don't understand the original concept of Wikipedia then, I'm trying to add information, on something I have spent years of my life building up a knowledge of, I have listen to more than a fair share of reggae than id like to admit hours on top, maybe your argument could be is that it is one sided, but my rebuttal to you would that I am simply stating fact, they were all influential artists, I can even quote and source Wikipedia for saying it themselves, after all we are a collective of editors, fix my edit, don't destroy my contribution man, from human being to human being your making me question wiki, and everything it means to me. Maybe I'm the one not acting civilized, good vibes man. With all due respect, I appreciate everything you have contributed up to wiki now, you are obviously well reputable, but these are the little accumulations of knowledge that make Wikipedia. -ferventtboundz Ferventtboundz (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Ferventtboundz - I left the wrong notice on your talk page. I meant to point out that the content you're adding isn't referenced and appears to possibly be of opinion. Please let me know if you have questions about this and I'll be happy to assist you with the relevant policy. Thanks for leaving me your message here :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 12:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I understand I guess, it is a major page, I guess the damn beginners come in thinking they know everything. ;) pretentious ones we are Ferventtboundz (talk) 13:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Ferventtboundz - No worries, though! You can fix it! The edits aren't permanently gone! I think you really should go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial... it will help you out A LOT and give you how-to's and instructions in order to get you affiliated and comfortable with the interface and rules. It'll be good for you to do. If you have any more questions, or have questions about the tutorial - let me know! Welcome to Wikipedia! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Will do, its only fair to learn ones native tongue before settling into their culture, and I honestly appreciate the quick reply. Ferventtboundz (talk) 13:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Ferventtboundz - Indeed! You're very welcome; it's what I'm here for and I'm happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't seem a lot of the information on the reggae page is sourced, and some of it is off, by omission at least, in the vocals sub category, it does not list powerful impactful reggae vocalist such as Garnett Silk, Matisyahu, Barrington Levy, And Norman Howell "notch" from born Jamericans had on the genre, stylistically, and hey were known as vocalists in general. If I would go threw the trouble of cite that specific edit, it would be to quote Wikipedia, go and look at each of the artists I mentioned(unless you like reggae), and that's why its resourceful to add them, for people looking for original reggae music, and its history. Wikipedia specifically mentions something drastic enough to mention a deep impact stylistically to all of the prior mentioned artists in the reggae page edit, although I would agree that my addition was unorganized, and via I didn't like it either, I agree on the deletion, sorry if I am making your job difficult, and that user guide interstellar lounge had me trip out for a second, I thought Wikipedia was about to lay me in for an awakening, or some e.t., consciously higher awareness, was making contact, for the tenth of a split second, I subtly jokingly thought it, but sorry for the ramble, you are most certainly busy, I just needed to get out any concerns, and alleviate that area of pulled up, shit will energetically give you cancer. I will take user interface guide later on today. as I am starting my day, thank you very much, I hope you take the time to read this as I took the time to write it. Btw I see you did some sound engineering! I'm working o my own style of dub right now, using mixcraft 8 recording studio, any software mentions you could throw my way, much thanks, no worries, if a reply is not prompt immediately as it's a lot at once. Ferventtboundz (talk) 14:47, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Ferventtboundz - When going through that new user tutorial, make sure to take Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy to heart, as I believe that it will help you with your concerns. Please let me know if you need any further assistance and I'll be happy to do so :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Best Loved Game

Hi, thanks for your message. I've added a source where it was missing but I'm having a problem getting it right, so as sources are not my speciality, you might want to take a look and see what I'm doing wrong! Thanks. 195.188.42.194 (talk) 13:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I've tweaked up the ref. Eagleash (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, Eagleash! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the Jaydev Birth contoversy

In the gita gobinda it's clearly mentioned that Jaydev was born in Odisha . So there is no need of Bengali view . But you have kept it . It's better to remove it or keep my writing Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prachites (talk • contribs) 13:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Prachites - Thanks for leaving me a message with your explanation and concerns. If you need help with anything, please don't hesitate to respond and ask. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Apology

I'm very sorry: I was kidding around on the Randy Baumgardner page. I won't do it again. 87.65.39.83 (talk) 14:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Caliphate Page

Hey its is a Fact what i Wrote there and Pakistani Government Declared them Non-Muslim so that is why world needs to know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.100.184 (talk) 16:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

If what you wrote is fact, there will be numerous reliable sources available for you to cite with the content you're adding. Please review these guidelines and let me know if you have any questions. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:35, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Aaron-Carl

Aaron-Carl is my father and I want people to know that I’m doing music my name is Jevon Ragland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lil Vonny von (talk • contribs) 18:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lil Vonny von, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for leaving me a message with your explanation. Unfortunately, this constitutes original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. In a nutshell, we cannot "reference ourselves" as the source of content being added to articles - this includes personal experiences or relationships as well as any work or information that you've authored or published. I highly recommend that you review this policy, as it is important to know and understand. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Page move

Hi, could you please perform the actions as described on Wikipedia talk:Media help? They're requested moves, and the pages are help pages (and not even policy pages), but the pages are fully move protected. Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

ToThAc -  Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Thx

So many people leap to assume bad-faith from IP's... you did do that initially, but I heartily thank you for correcting yourself.

Serious kudos for that.

Best, 86.20.193.222 (talk) 18:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh I knew that you weren't doing anything wrong at all - I was just distracted with something urgent while I was responding and my train of thought got completely destroyed - you know how that can mess you up ;-). I appreciate your message and I apologize for the confusion and any frustration that my initial reply caused. I was just having one of those idiot moments :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hee hee, shit happens; I'm just so used to being treated like dirt just because I'm editing as an IP. I must admit, I somewhat relish it because it gives me a chance to scream at people that "IPs are people too!"

I mean...obviously, I know lots about Wikipedia, and am thus a 'sock' of somebody-or-other, but that really is SO irrelevant. Wikipedia was mostly MADE by ip editors, and I personally think that is very important. Of course, dealing with vandalism is also important - and it is perfectly natural to assume all IP editors who demonstrate experience are 'socks' but my God, that throws a lot of babies out with the bathwater.

All said though, real life should always be a priority over this silly wiki thing :p

Nice to meet ya, no hard feelings about your temporary accusations - very happy you struck things though because that shows real concern; we all say stupid things, but not that many people can strike it out and say "I fucked up". That's gold.

Take care, etc. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Just for clarity - 'I am a sock' - I have edited before, but am not banned or blocked. Nothing nefarious going on here. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Oshwah, you're seriously one of the best people to help diffuse a difficult or touchy situation. Wikipedia's a better place with people like you around! RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:53, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

RickinBaltimore - Thank you, so very much, sir! I appreciate the time you took to leave me this barnstar, and for the very kind words you left with it. I try my best to be civil, respect everyone, try and ease tensions and diffuse situations, and help others to see the positive and meaningful paths and to walk them... It's not always easy, and I'll never make everyone happy... but I'll be damned if I don't at least try :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Nigerian prince

Hemlo i am nigerian prince who wants money pls let me change the pages i ned money — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virusness15 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

LOL. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a tempting and legitimate opportunity here... Where do I send the check to? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 21:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey now. I ned money too. GMG<sup>talk</sup> 21:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Didn't you hear? [4] Poor guy's been trying to give it all away for years, but nobody responded to his emails... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I missed out :-( ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello

@Oshwah: Hello, first I want to thank you for catching the suspicious username User:Parge Lenis Second, I was blocked for suspected sockpuppetry. I am not the person they say I am but I’m sure you hear that a lot in puppet investigations... How do I prevent this from effecting me in the future (ex. Applying for more user rights)? Thanks, Ral 33 (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ral 33, and thank you for leaving me a message with your gratitude and your question. Engaging in illegitimate sock puppetry is against Wikipedia policy, and if you're unsure what constitutes as this, I've provided you a link to the appropriate section in the policy - please review it and let me know if you have any questions. Generally, so long as you stick to using only one account to edit Wikipedia (or if you must use more than one account, do so by following the guidelines here), you won't have anything to worry about and nothing will happen to you in this regard. People may accuse you of sock puppetry, but if you're not using more than one account illegitimately, the evidence will find this and you'll be just fine. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, I do in fact only use one account, but I was accused of sock puppetry and somehow they found it was “likely” that I was the user Jim From Idegon. I have no idea how they found this to be true and I am afraid this will leave a mark on my record. Thank you, Ral 33 (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Ral 33 - If you take a look here, this details the investigation and what took place. I would talk to the administrator who performed the check and the block on your account, which was Bbb23. He'll be able to answer your questions better than I can, since he has access to the evidence that he saw. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance to you and I'll be happy to do so. Best -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah, I did mention it on his talk page but he deleted it without answering. You can see this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bbb23&oldid=820550647 and where he removed it:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bbb23&oldid=820586660

You can also see on my talk page under the section “blocked for sockpuppetry” the last few replies he has not answered. He talked about my pings not going through and Mz7 hasn’t answered either. Thank you, Ral 33 (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Something about a message sent to me?

So I was in my Socials class, researching stuff, when I got a message from you about my IP Address changing the "kids help phone" wikipedia page. I have never gone on that page, or edited it. I dont know why my IP showed up as me changing it. This is strange

70.79.42.25 (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)See this edit by your IP address. If you're connected to your school's wifi, then it could well have been someone else at your school. If not, then it could have been someone using the same cell service as you. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Taking a look at your talk page, I see Osh used the regular message template instead of the IP specific version, which contains a disclaimer about shared IPs. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

70.79.42.25, I left a more appropriate template message on your talk page. Do not consider it a warning; I was only doing so to make sure you got the correct one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

No subject

I'm sorry, but what was non-constructive about my edit? What was wrong or objectionable about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.156.219 (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Ohhh, crap.... I dun goof'd. I apologize - I misread a word that you added with your edit and reverted by mistake. Reading through your edit again, it's definitely not unconstructive :-). It looks like you've already restored the changes; if you need anything else or have questions, please let me know. Thanks for leaving me a message and for the heads up, and I apologize again for the confusion I caused. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so very much -- it required a remarkable person to act as you have done in these few minutes. Wish you all the very best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.156.219 (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Nah, didn't really require much... :-). I just saw your message, re-read the edit, cursed at myself out-loud (of course!), and made sure you heard back from me. That's what any decent person should do in my opinion ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hello Oshwah! How do you make that blue color in the background of your userpage? Thegooduser talk 01:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You need to add the following code at the top of your Talk page: <div style="background-color: #EBF5FF;">

Of course, you can customize the hex value of the color to suit your needs, #EBF5FF is the color from Oshwah's talk page. BytEfLUSh <sup>Talk</sup> 02:39, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - See above, and let me know if you have any more questions :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

April Fool's day

Can you prank Wikipedia Users on April Fool's day? Thegooduser talk 01:20, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: See WP:APRIL and WP:FOOLS
Ral 33 (talk) 02:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

ERACE

I added a source, and I'm not an expert at Wikipedia formatting. If you know how to properly format, I'd appreciate that. Thank you. :) I feel bad that I didn't add a source at first. Trust me, ERACE is notable to have a sub-section on the ambiguity of both foundations. Maybe not its own article but at least a footnote since DC Talk was a pretty large success in the 1990s as a CCM band. 2601:600:9880:390:A902:A3B6:C1A4:D6C1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for leaving me a message with your questions. Wikipedia's guidelines on citing references in-line, as well as identifying reliable sources, are both places that you should read and understand, and will help you with everything you need in order to become proficient with references and citing them with the content you're adding. Please let me know if you have any more questions, and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 02:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

New page

Hey Oshwah, I see you're still online and I was wondering if I could ask a favor? Could you please protect this page I made? I just don't want it to be messed with, should any vandals go through my contribution history, and see that I'm keeping tabs on them. Thanks in advance. Boomer Vial<sup>Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs</sup> 04:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Boomer Vial -  Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Boomer Vial<sup>Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs</sup> 04:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Since I can't ping you on IRC from where I am...

...and you reverted the revdel template... [[REDACTED - Oshwah] RD1 pls] --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

AntiCompositeNumber - Already ahead of you ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 14:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

why u do dat te mea — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.226.217.126 (talk) 15:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Aras River

Hi Oshwah, The name Արաքս (Arax) was the Hellenized title of the Armenian river flowing through Erzurum province in what is now Turkey. Aras is the Turkish word, derived from Arast, son of Haik.

If possible, could you change Aras (the main heading of the article) to Արաքս (Arax)?

Thank you, Joearax — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joearax (talk • contribs) 15:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Joearax! Welcome to Wikipedia! Have you gone through and completed our new user tutorial yet? If you haven't, I highly recommend that you do that now. It'll help you by walking you through different scenarios and show you how to navigate the interface and locate important policies and guidelines. You'll learn how you can edit the article and improve it! Please let me know how the tutorial goes and if you have any questions - I'll be happy to answer them if you do! Again, welcome to Wikipedia! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

No subject

sir, i am not able to understand what wrong i have done. please explain the word 'neutral'. if you clarifies it, then i will try my best to rethink over the point. Have you read the book "CHINATOWN DAYS" ever? i have just written the theme of the book. if you have not read the book, read it once. whatever i have posted is not false. and i am not trying to create any misunderstanding in the minds of the wikipedia users. i have just written what is explained in the book. "It is the early nineteenth century. The British East India Company has been bringing in Chinese slaves to work in the tea gardens of Assam. Amidst days of misery and toil, they slowly begin to find contentment in their day-to-day lives. In post-independence Assam, Mei Lin, descended from the slave Ho Han, lives a life of satisfaction with her husband Pulok Barua. But in 1962, as war breaks out in the high Himalayas between India and China, a close family member conspires to have Mei Lin deported to Maoist China. She and thousands of other Chinese Indians will now have to fend for themselves in a land that, despite their origins, is strangely foreign. From the horror-ridden hardships of the slave pens of Assam to the Sino-Indian war, this searing novel tells the story of the Chinese Indians, a community condemned by intolerance to obscurity and untold sorrow. Throws light on a bitter past. one must read this book to learn about the innocent chinese people in Assam who were lost in the dark chapters in history" this is what i have posted. tell me where did you find partiality here? please reply soon. i want to discuss more on this topic with you, Mr oshwah. and yes, i am not offended at all. thanks for your consciousness. but please elaborate your probem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.110.137.153 (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! It looks like you need to review Wikipedia's guidelines on how to cite sources in-line with content, how to identify reliable sources, and how to word your edits to reflect a neutral point of view. If you have questions regarding any of these policies or guidelines, let me know and I'll be happy to help you. Best -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Reverted edit of mine

I saw the message you left on my talk page, that you had reverted by edit on list of animal classes, as it did not appear constructive. However, I'm not quite sure what was nonconstructive. What I did was put common names for the phyla that have common names, as some of the phyla already had their common names mentioned, but for the ones that didn't, I added them. None of the common names were made up - they were all from the corresponding phyla page, and the purpose of the edit was just to make the article more consistent throughout. Could you please specify what was nonconstructive about it? I want my edits to be as constructive as possible, so it would be very helpful if I new what was not constructive about my edit. Thanks so much!--SkyGazer 512 <sup>talk / contributions / subpages</sup> 17:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512! Thanks for leaving me a message here! I took another look at the edit in question, and I realized that the article subject was completely related to the changes you made, and it makes your changes make complete sense. I apologize for missing that; either way it's looked at, your edit appears to be in good faith, so I've restored your changes and I apologize for causing you confusion and interruption with editing. If you have any questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for letting me know about this :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I'm glad everything got worked out.--SkyGazer 512 <sup>talk / contributions / subpages</sup> 18:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 - You bet; always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Have you ever broke the wiki?

I was looking though the Wikipedia:Village stocks and it made me wonder, have you ever done something like that? The worst I have ever done was accidentally deleting the content source of the template at the top of your talk page(I was copying it over to my own subpage to make my self one :P) Do you know anyone who is not listed in the Stocks that should be? . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 18:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - Have I ever broken the Wiki? No, and I hopefully won't ever do that... lol. If I need to test anything or if I think that a change I'm about to make is going to be high risk in regards to "breaking the wiki", I perform them on the test Wikipedia first. This way, I won't wind up as an entry in the villiage stocks... haha ;-). ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

You will slip at some point. Then I can say I told you so.. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 17:00, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I sure hope you're wrong, LakesideMiners ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

When you do I'll be there waiting, trout in hand. Boomer Vial<sup>Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs</sup> 11:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Your hair makes me think otherwis :). Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 12:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Chuck Shamata - EDIT

Hi, I'm Chuck's daughter so can guarantee these edits are correct. Thanks,

Lisa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamatal (talk • contribs) 19:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Shamatal, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for leaving me a message with your explanation. Unfortunately, this constitutes original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. In a nutshell, we cannot "reference ourselves" as the source of content being added to articles - this includes personal experiences or relationships as well as any work or information that you've authored or published. I highly recommend that you review this policy, as it is important to know and understand. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Revdel request

Please can you revdel {{diff2|[REDACTED - Oshwah]}} and {{diff2|[REDACTED - Oshwah]}}? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 21:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Bellezzasolo -  Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 21:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Uploading pics

Hello Oshwa, I am interested in uploading pictures to the page “Pique Sauce”. Any and all help would be greatful. Thank you in advance. Rscott — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rscottjoyner (talk • contribs) 23:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rscottjoyner! I would check out Wikipedia's guide page on images, read through it, and make sure you understand everything before you proceed with uploading anything. The most important part that you must understand and be very careful with is to not violate Wikipedia's copyright policies - you need to make sure that any images you upload are not in violation of any copyright permissions. Uploading images to Wikipedia is something that I usually try to encourage new users to hold off on doing, simply because copyright issues and permissions are complex and new users typically have trouble in this area. Please review everything on the page I linked you to, and let me know if you have any questions before you upload anything - doing this will save you a lot of trouble ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Manchester correction

Hi, thanks for correcting the nonscence entry re 'Manchester'. Looks like it was a spoofed i.P. my other changes all looked normal but this one definately wasn't from this machine. Keep up the good work. Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.215.104.130 (talk) 00:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Safexpresspackers.In

A tag has been placed on your user page, User talk:Safexpresspackers.In, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service. This is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages — user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources or advertising space. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator.  Velella  <sup>Velella Talk</sup>   00:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mister Oshwah my name is Jayson how can i became like you on wikipedia please respond me back at my email [REDACTED - Oshwah] i realy want to become like you on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:A:9:0:0:0:92 (talk) 03:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Rogue Rocket Games

Sorry wasn't sure that needed to be referenced again as it was taken from the previous link given.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/roguerocket/first-wonder

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.59.243 (talk) 02:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Oh! If it's already referenced, then please accept my apologies - I didn't see that. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 15:56, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Ron Baker is in fact a Werewolf time traveler74.105.126.245 (talk) 04:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there,

I want to put forth that I don’t want my message to be mistaken for disregard for your incredible contribution to the Wikipedia community. What I need to convey is the evidence supporting the argument about Ron Baker’s time traveling Werewolf capabilities.

Turn on ESPN right now and find the only knickerbockers player wearing an orange sweatband around his skull.

Case closed.

Thank you again,

Rob Baker’s number 18 fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.126.245 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Scott Rosenberg

Hi Ohwash- i added to scotts personal info and it got deleted. Please advise! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.35.55 (talk) 05:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people, as this page will answer your question. You should also review Wikipedia's guideline on identifying reliable sources as well. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

That’s cool !

Just that I Clean haircut will probably take you father way bigger career! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.4.88 (talk) 05:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Rop

Hey, just wanted to inform you that a new genre of music has been discovered. I am working on filling out the page for it and will provide more information as I receive it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmross44 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Tmross44 - I recommend that you review Wikipedia's policy on original research, as it sounds like you may be within this area. Let me know if you have any questions or need help. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

robin padilla edit47.16.220.226 (talk) 06:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The one i edit for robin padilla are the right facts every Filipinos knew, i am a fan of his and even if you ask a million fans of his, he was imprisoned because of firearms and not narcotics. i even gave a reference ,but if you deem that a wrong fact is better than the truth for not being constructive then have your way. now i know why people frown sometimes if i quote Wikipedia as a source. now tell me exactly the thing that makes my edit wrong and i will gladly inform every fan of his that i will meet that we were wrong the whole time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.220.226 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the sources you provided meet Wikipedia's guidelines on what constitutes as a reliable source. Please review this page and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for leaving me a message here. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Ofihombre socking

Apparently not having taken on board much of what has happened, they are now socking as IP [5] in the AfD [6] (and the article [7], to less deleterious effect). Not sure if anything is done with IPs under such circumstances. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorted by Black Kite, cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Elmidae! Thanks for the message and for the update - I'm glad the issue has been taken care of. If you need my help with anything in the future, please don't hesitate to message me here - I'll be happy to do so. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey hey hey75.108.45.91 (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey Oshwah how have you been? Doing well I hope. Take care and all the best! Big embraces, Rane.75.108.45.91 (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm doing well, and take care as well! Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Michael Findlay

My source for his marriage to Naomi Sims, was the Wikipedia profile on Naomi Sims. Also, a news paper article with photos, which I for got the name of the news paper.

I am not very tech savvy, and did not know how to put in the credits.

You may reach me direct about this at: Caroline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.8.195.130 (talk) 01:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah okay! What we want to do instead is to use the source provided on the other Wikipedia article and cite it in-line with your edit. Since you're new here, I recommend that you create an account and go through Wikipedia's new user tutorial. It will provide you with a significant amount of help, provide you with step-by-step guides, and show you how to locate important pages and locations on Wikipedia. This will help you to understand things much better here and improve your edits :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:12, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

A few comments aboit RevDel of user names

1. For self-created or automatically imported accounts (as opposed to those created by other users), the only part which ever needs redaction is the "performer's username/IP address".
2. For a user's block log, the "performer's username/IP address" never needs to be redacted - generally only the "action and target" does.
3. Please check WP:UAA and WP:UAA/BOT for a report about the user name, even if you find it on your own within the minute it was created - some one else may report it quicker than you can block it, especially with Twinkle. Please keep in mind that the bots who manage these pages may remove the report faster than you can check, so look at the history for a report about the name.
4. If the user did any obvious vandalism, there may be a report at WP:AIV; please check there.

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:05, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Od Mishehu, and thanks again for being patient with me and for helping to point out what I'm missing in regards to username redaction on Wikipedia. Drat! I need to remember to check UAA and AIV - thank you. I'll make sure to do this. I redacted both the action / target as well as the performers username / IP after looking at what the Oversight tool does, what I've seen many administrators do, and after doing some testing with the redaction tool on a test Wiki. The point of redacting a username is so that it's not visible to the public, but I redact at certain levels depending on the severity. For example: if it's a grossly insulting or egregious username (like the ones we've both seen before) and we know that it needs to completely disappear and be as invisible from the public as possible, redacting both the action/target and the username/IP from each log will hide the log completely from the public (including the redaction) - Only hiding the action/target doesn't do that. I'm just confused on what "the right thing to do" here is, because different tools and people are (directly and indirectly) giving me different answers - case in point being the oversight tool (the tick box available when they block an account that redacts the username from all logs) - I'm fairly certain that the tool does this by redacting both. Can you help me with my confusion? I want to make sure that what I do is both correct and effective. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know, the idea is to redact as little as possible. If the disruption/insult is contained completely within a single part of the log entry, there is no need to redact the entire entry. And you certainly do leave a trace - a log entry with redacted parts is still there, and both the non-redacted parts (which inevitably includes the time stamp and the page title or the log it belongs to_ and the entry of the redaction. And only hiding the action/target does completely hide the username itself in the block log; this doesn't work in the account creation log - there, what you need to redact is the user name. I suspect users who tell you to just redact everything simply find this too confusing. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:31, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

An advice about Mario Kart Wii

An IP user redirected Mario Kart Wii to The ZhuZhus, so, Go to Mario Kart Wii, revert the IP user's edit, and i should have a barnstar for you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.119.20.170 (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

It looks like the issue has been resolved. Thanks for letting me know :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

77.101.208.48

Hi,

I think this IP needs his TPA revoked (maybe also revdel?). Cheers. Adam9007 (talk) 21:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, it's already been done. Adam9007 (talk) 21:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Cool deal, thanks for the heads up :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Delete page

Hello, Oshwah! I've been creating a page for the order Bursovaginoidea in my userspace, and recently moved it to a main page. However, as I'm not an administrator, I can't move pages without leaving a redirect, so I had to leave the redirect in my userspace behind, and I marked it for deletion. Could you delete the page, User:SkyGazer 512/sandbox/Bursovaginoidea? Thank you! --SkyGazer 512 <sup>talk / contributions / subpages</sup> 02:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, it's been completed.--SkyGazer 512 <sup>talk / contributions / subpages</sup> 03:32, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

SkyGazer 512 - Cool deal, thanks for letting me know that your request has been handled. If you need my help with anything else in the future, don't hesitate to let me know :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Editing the STILL film page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_(film)

Hiya Oshwah, As mentioned to your colleague on the help desk talk page, I was entirely aware of the rules surrounding copyright (particularly as I was using material from my company's site that made the film). However I respect that this was an error on my part. We are a small independent company who just wanted the page to be a little more reflective of the reception that we have received. Generally, we have had a more positive then negative response to STILL. Whilst I appreciate the protection of the page, would it be possible at all for me to send on a few more positive reviews for someone to add? Or to be able to add them myself please? (Without editing anything else on the page, althought I would like to edit the synopsis so that it is not quite as detailed). I did not realise that listing festivals was outside of the norm. Are we allowed to list awards as per other pages that have done the same eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Stock

Thank you Blunt stuff (talk) 07:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Osh, HD thread here. Eagleash (talk) 11:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Blunt stuff - If I understand you correctly, you wish to edit an article to add positive reviews that your company received? Either way I read this, it sounds like there's a conflict of interest between you and the article you wish to modify. Editing articles that you have a personal conflict of interest with is a highly discouraged behavior, as doing so can be seen as a direct conflict with Wikipedia's policy on writing articles to reflect a neutral point of view. Please review these pages and consider contributing to another article subject or topic where you have no personal conflict with and can improve. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 16:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Unknown activity from May 2017

Good Morning

After visiting your site through a google link and then seeing that their was somehow a message for me, I'm concerned to find that in May of 2017 I was contacted several times by you within the space of one hour and subsequently temporarily blocked from editing entries.

This in itself is of no consequence to me as I rarely use your site - the reason why I am only now highlighting my non-participation in this event - as a reference and I certainly wouldn't actively contributing to improve the information you hold.

I would therefore be grateful if you could advise me of any action I need to take to prevent this kind of confusion in the future.

My physical location is in South East Bulgaria. My house is at the end of a dirt track and my nearest neighbours are several hundred meters away and well over 70, so I can confidently state that no one is using my computer without my knowledge.

Edit is (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PFC%20Levski%20Sofia&diff=782184454) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFC_Levski_Sofia

Regards

149.62.200.80 (talk) 08:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The issue here is that some person from your current IP address, possibly not you, did several edits. I don't know which internet service provider you use, but many of them will give a new IP address every time the user connects - which would mean that this person probably was not working from your computer. The best I can tell you is that as long as you access Wikipedia without logging in, you can expect the occasional talk page message or block unrelated to anything you did; to avoid this, create an account. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Block summary

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi Oshwah, are you willing to help sort out the block-summary situation? Tony1 has said that you didn't respond to his email. Could you let me know what you think about the idea of you blocking him for a minute with a block summary to be agreed in advance? SarahSV <sup>(talk)</sup> 02:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi SlimVirgin - I'm very on the fence here and (as you can imagine) I'm getting an ear-load of different opinions from other people regarding this request. While I believe that it would have been better if I had asked for clarification before blocking, I believe that the statement made that started the discussion in the first place (here) was fairly interpreted to be a legal threat (of course, he was unblocked immediately after he clarified his statement). I've apologized to him for the situation and that it had to come to this, but I don't believe that I did anything wrong or against policy - the situation could have just been handled better. Has Tony1 apologized to Gtrbolivar for the response he made to him that started this whole situation? All I've seen happen on his part is repeated incivility towards others, making demands before he'll return, and messages stating that feels like he was targeted and treated unfairly, and that this situation is all about him. Looking at his past interactions with others, this isn't the first time he's been uncivil towards others. I'm not happy that this situation came up and I'm not happy that it came to this. I really wish that it didn't. This isn't about "ego" or about winning or coming out as "reflecting well" to others - this is about when enough is enough and when it's time to drop the stick and move on... I have to ask myself, "what is best for the project?" ... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:04, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Outside observer here, but doesn't WP:LEGAL say Rather than immediately blocking users who post apparent threats, administrators should first seek to clarify the user's intention, if there is any doubt. Doing this in reverse is surely wrong and against policy, no? What does blocking first and discussing later solve given there was no immediate danger to the wiki or any of its users? Nihlus 17:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Nihlus - Yes, you are correct. The policy page does state this. You also make a valid argument regarding "immediate danger" as well. I believe that there's currently an RFC in the works to try and improve and clarify this policy and how to handle it administratively. I'll state in rebuttal that I felt that the ending statement wasn't ambiguous when I read it, and I (as well as many others) interpreted it to be a legal threat. He of course clarified, which is why I immediately unblocked him. I felt that policy wasn't being violated; it was certainly something I could/should have done in this situation though - which I already stated to him on his talk page. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:35, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a policy doesn't necessarily have to be explicitly violated in order for there to be a problem, as it is clear you violated the spirit of the policy by acting with such haste. There seems to be a trend as of late with administrators blocking without any form of discussion or deescalation attempted. He could have handled the situation better and could have admitted his wrongdoing in order to mitigate the ensuing discussion, but he's not an administrator so your actions will be scrutinized more. Is his request here (at the end) that much of a stretch for you to do? Nihlus 17:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, because two other admins and a sitting arb at the time agreed it was a legal threat. If Tony1 doesn't want to move on, that's his issue. And I was the first one who disagreed with Oshwah's block. --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 18:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I disagree. Both are being stubborn and both are making it harder for the other person. There's no reason for this to continue when viable alternatives and solutions exist. Nihlus 18:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The solution was this. Not for Oshwah to say he violated policy when he and others think he didn't. --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 18:41, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. Why are we still discussing this? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Because admins as of late are too quick to block and believe themselves to be impervious to scrutiny. I recall having this very discussion with you multiple times, Sarek. Nihlus 18:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) In fairness to Oshwah, WP:NLT was heavily edited after he blocked Tony1, including some edits made by Tony1 himself and those supporting him. I'm not saying the edits made were inappropriate or were not needed; I'm only saying that if references are going to be made to NLT, then it would be best to reference the version Oshwah might have looked at when he decided to make the block, not the current version. This seems to be how the page looked before all the post-block editing started. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah, thank you for your response. At the time of the block, the NLT policy said: "Rather than immediately blocking users who post apparent threats, administrators should first seek to clarify the user's intention." So the block did violate policy, and that has led to this.

Tony has contributed an enormous amount to Wikipedia, including helping for years to raise standards of featured articles, being a key contributor to the Manual of Style, and helping to write the Signpost. All that is being asked now is that you and Tony agree on words to add to the block log. No one is asking for "public shaming", as someone else wrote. On the contrary, it will show that you're an admin who is able and willing to solve problems. I'm sure that words can be found that will satisfy you both. SarahSV <sup>(talk)</sup> 05:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

SarahSV - You have my absolute promise that my lines of communication will remain open with Tony1 and at all times. He is welcome to reach out to me wherever and whenever he wishes, and I will do my absolute best to be respectful and civil to him, and to work with him on a resolution to this situation and try and do what's best for the project. I appreciate your message very much and I thank you. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 05:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

In fact, I owe him a response back. I will respond to his email. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 05:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That's excellent, thank you. He emailed you on or around 15 January but received no response. If you two could work on the wording of a one-minute block, that would be ideal. SarahSV <sup>(talk)</sup> 05:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Why should Oshwah reply off-wiki when his "private" communications are clearly being shared off-wiki per your comment? SQL<sup>Query me!</sup> 05:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Tony wrote on 15 January that he had emailed and on 24 January that he had received no response. SarahSV <sup>(talk)</sup> 05:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not involved, and I haven't even looked at Tony's contribs in the last month - this is simply the way your comment read to me off the cuff. I'll strike my comment. SQL<sup>Query me!</sup> 05:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

If you're going to accuse people of violating policy - you should probably examine the use of the word 'should' (indicating a recommendation) vs the word 'must' (indicating an obligation) in the passage you've quoted. SQL<sup>Query me!</sup> 05:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I would also add that the sentence from NLT referenced by SarahSV above is preceeded by sentences which basically say that you should choose your words wisely and avoid any that might be reasonably perceived as a legal threat. If a number of editors are finding fault with the choice of wording used by Tony1 in the post that started all of this, then maybe the threshold of what is "reasonably perceived" was passed. Regardless, it seem pointless for either side of this argument to drag this on any further; it seems much more sensible for both editors to treat this as a learning experience on how to handle things differently and avoid any similar problems in the future. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Oshwah, I'm just checking in to ask whether you've emailed Tony and feel you're making progress. SarahSV <sup>(talk)</sup> 05:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up

Oshwah, please see: [8]. It would be very helpful if you would act on that, and I think that most of us would see doing it as reflecting well on you. I really hope that you will. Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tryptofish - Thanks for the message and your input. See my response above, and let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:04, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah has no need to do what is being requested of him here. Tony1 made personal attacks even in one of his most recent posts on his talk page. If anything I would increase the block to at least a week. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 17:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. I would encourage Oshwah to refuse to comply in any public shaming of himself. Tony1 was blocked for a grand total of about half an hour for making what was at best a very ill-considered remark. He has chosen to cease editing. That is his decision entirely and he was in no way forced to make it. Whether the block was right or wrong, the request made of Oshwah is highly unusual and Tony1 does not need to get special treatment. He's already gotten more than enough attention. Time to move on. Lepricavark (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

So Oshwah is unwillingly to endure a moment of humility to bring back a positive content contributor that he (and he alone) drove away? Honestly, is this stubborn defiance more important than benefiting the community? Apparently so. Oshwah, you may as well strike your apology to Tony because it is totally disingenuous.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Tony1 quit. He wasn't driven away. Enough of this notion that if someone creates a lot of articles, they can never be held responsible for their own behavior. He quit after being blocked for about 30 minutes for a foolish, aggressive comment. That's on Tony1. Lepricavark (talk) 18:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

He "quit" because of an admin with a feisty trigger finger who couldn't be bothered to ask Tony about his "foolish, aggressive comment". A level-headed person -- someone actually deserving of the tools -- would have taken time access the situation and communicate with a long-term editor who wouldn't (and didn't) actually make a legal threat. Now, when he has an opportunity to address his own mistake, he ignores it either because he believes he is entitled to or he simply doesn't care.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

You aren't the only defender of Tony1 who seems to think NPA has gone out the window and that Oshwah is now fair game. In case I didn't make myself clear, I'm not buying your efforts to blame Oshwah for Tony1's departure. Tony1 made his own decision. If you are really so concerned about benefiting the community, perhaps you should try to persuade Tony1 to drop his protest and return. Lepricavark (talk) 18:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Lepricavark: You are 100% on point. This is nothing but a "content contributor" thinking they can whine their way into not getting blocked. We are all content contributors, and we are all in our own way important to the site, that does not mean we shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else. Nor does it mean that there are any special classes of editors who are not held to policy. Oshwah did not make an indefinite block, so Oshwah did not "drive away" any editor on this site. He merely enforced our community standards. If Tony1 can't handle that, then perhaps an indefinite block is what he really needed in the first place (especially after the virulent attacks he has made towards editors he apparently doesn't like on his talk page). — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah did block him indefinitely though... [9]. And how can you claim that the block didn't drive away Tony1, when Tony1 has said on multiple occasions that this action caused him to stop editing? ceranthor 20:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Indefinite is not synonymous with infinite, the two meanings are being conflated though too many times. Indefinite means for an undefined period of time. It is common practice to block any editor or ip which makes a statement which can reasonably be construed as a legal threat. The Wikimedia Foundation takes these very seriously, and you should as well. And Tony1's use of the illusory truth effect is obvious here. It is no one's choice but their own to leave a site the whole internet connected world has access to, if someone does not like being in a micro-society then that is their own decision to make. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 22:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, thanks for your courteous answer to me, and I certainly appreciate that you are getting bombarded with conflicting advice! I'm going to largely ignore the noise between your reply to me and now, except to note that I actually feel very strongly that the community should not throw WP:NPA out the window. I also want to make clear that I'm not here in the role of seeking heads on stakes, and in fact, I've long regarded you as a smart, thoughtful, and conscientious administrator. (And wow, what a busy talk page you have!) I'm going to suggest something to you, but first, the ex-professor in me feels impelled to pose a multiple choice question that is directed as much to the other editors here as to anyone else. So here it is:

The role of a Wikipedia administrator is:

a. to be a cop

b. to win an argument

c. to find the best way to get disputing parties back to productive editing

For those playing along at home, the correct answer is "c".

OK then, I'm sympathetic to the argument that you should not have to admit wrongdoing or apologize when you were acting on a reasonable concern and trying to do the right thing. So: don't. You don't have to put it that way in a block log statement. You can meet Tony1 part way, and he will have to meet you part way. Just say something to the effect that you recognize that it turned out not to be a legal threat, that you recognize that better practice would have been to discuss first, and that you regret the hard feelings that resulted. Or something like that. All I really did there was to paraphrase what you already said in your reply to SV. And please be aware that if you don't, another admin has indicated on Tony1's talk page that he'll do it in your place. And in that case, you won't have any control over what it says. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Tryptofish - You're absolutely correct in that one of the roles of an administrator is to help resolve disputes peacefully and to help pave the way for editors to resume productive collaboration and improvement of the project - I try my best to put myself second and others first in order to be an example of this. This is the very reason as to why I'm on the fence about this request (and why my lines of communication are open to Tony1 and members of the community here or anywhere, of course). I appreciate your peaceful response and your understanding - if you know me as well as I'm sure you do, you know that I'm not happy with what happened and with the way that things have become over the situation. I don't like the fact that it led an experienced editor to contemplate leaving the project, but I also don't want the status quo to occur either - where uncivil comments and responses resume and continue to be stated, and no path is paved to motivate improvement on his part. I've received a good number of emails from editors I won't mention stating that what I've done is and was right, and that they don't want to say so on-wiki out of fear of being targeted (which is completely 100% understandable) - how do I properly reflect their voices too? I do see your point... there is no good choice when it comes to me and making everyone happy. In all honesty, It's something I don't care as much about when compared to the well-being of others; I'll gladly put myself down the cannon barrel if it helps other users - that's not a problem at all. There's obviously a better choice and a better answer. Like I said, I appreciate your response very much and my lines of communication are completely open. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

In the end, it's WP:NOTAVOTE. I hope that a middle ground can be found that leaves everyone at least a little bit satisfied. Good luck! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Tryptofish - Indeed that is true. Thank you :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: What indication do you have indicating Tony1 will accept anything else than a reference to a "policy breach" in the block log? It's no use cluttering the log with attempts at guessing what Tony1 will accept. --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 01:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Obviously, I can't prove it, but I have a gut feeling based on the fact that he is clearly continuing to watch the discussion at his talk. As for guessing, there's no need to. Just ask. As for cluttering, meh, WP:NOTPAPER. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:47, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Outside observer, non admin: I actually followed this from the beginning; while there is no doubt that Tony1 made great contributions to the project - is this tamper tantrum really necessary? I agree that Oshwah made a mistake by blocking prematurely, but that happens. You make a mistake, you apologize and move on. People get annoyed if you accuse them of something they didn't mean to say, but hey - the sun still comes up in the morning, and you move on. As an admin, Oshwah should probably get some negative feedback for being too "trigger happy", but I believe it's an honest mistake. This entire charade sounds like WP:HIGHMAINT to me. An editor was blocked before additional explanation could be received. Yes, that should not have happened. The editor was unblocked upon further elaboration. The End. Can we do something productive now? BytEfLUSh <sup>Talk</sup> 05:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

My take on this

Sorry, an experienced editor wrote "Then it becomes a legal issue." and expects it to be interpreted as " take him to ANI". Sorry. Not a chance. I do not think the block was premature (after I reviewed Wikipedia:No legal threats for the zillionth time). What happens when a newcomers writes something like that? Blocked on the spot.

Should Tony1 be treated differently because he has been around for ages? Such long experience means he knew perfectly well what sort of consequences could come and how it could be read.

He should have known better before typing that? No. He did know better while typing that.

Good block, if you ask me. Oshwah interpreted it as a legal threats and I would have too. Immediately block to stop further editing by Tony1 and then decide if an unblock should be made. That's what he did. He was met with the rude ""Legal issue" meaning I'll take him to ANI, you idiot" and then the attacking and unapologetic statement. It was he who caused this while knowing better. I'm not even reading a "sorry for the poor choice of words". Tony should be on the back foot here, not Oshwah. Hmmmfff! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

While I theoretically agree with you (i.e. we should all be equal), Wikipedia policies are there as guidelines that should be observed, as long as it's in the interest of the project. Now, I may be contradicting myself, but WP:DIVA is still exempt via (at least) WP:IAR. As much as I dislike (to say the least) calling upon IAR, in this case it should have been taken into account when blocking someone per WP:NLT. However, the block only lasted for a very short amount of time, and there's no permanent damage - unless, of course, some editors get the feeling that they are above the Project. Let's have a brief reminder: all of the "Rules", every single Policy or Essay, all the Guidelines and Manuals; everything that any of us do (including the admins) exists only to protect the Project and its integrity. BytEfLUSh <sup>Talk</sup> 08:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• @Tryptofish and SlimVirgin: if there is belief that Oshwah's actions were so outside of the norms of administrators, and that this is the only way he can fix it, and yet he still declines to do so, the correct step would be to file a case request with the Arbitration Committee. If that is not the case, it looks to me like Oshwah has more than fulfilled the expectations under WP:ADMINACCT, and that continuing to press the matter on his talk page will simply create more heat than light. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

So much of this discussion strikes me as downright silly. No one has said that Oshwah is failing to satisfy ADMINACCT. Nor is it about anything that was outside the norms of what administrators are supposed to do. And an awful lot of people here appear to be clueless about the concept that this isn't about who is right or wrong. It's about whether there is something that can be done to smooth things over in a way that is best for the project. And I think Oshwah really does understand that, but an awful lot of the rest of you just want to have a pissing contest. Perhaps Oshwah and Tony1 will find a way to a happy outcome, perhaps not. And if not, another admin will clearly do it in Oshwah's place. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• Give each other a trout, and come out of your corners hugging. Too much time on something pretty silly, or, in other words, two fine editors growling over a squeaky toy. I miss Tony giving me a grumpy what's for, and if he needs more than an already given apology over something which seemed right at the time (except for that pesky "checking in" with him part), link this on his talk page and see if he stirs. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure. I would encourage an exchange like this:

Tony1: Sorry I called you an idiot.

Oshwah: That's okay. Sorry for the block.

Tony1: Typing "...Then it becomes a legal issue..." did kind of risk a block.

Oshwah: No worries. I guess I could have posted at your talk first.

Tony1: That's okay.

Oshwah: Onward and upward?

Tony1: Absolutely.

Oshwah: Go for a beer?

Tony1: I don't think we're there yet.

Oshwah: Agreed. Get back to editing?

Tony1: An excellent plan. No hard feelings?

Oshwah: No hard feelings. You?

Tony1: No hard feelings.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Like --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 00:40, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'd like to also say that since the block, the policy on WP:NLT with respect to blocking has been updated. Reflecting that these types of changes represent community understanding of policy rather than a new policy, an apology or statement that acknowledges that seems appropriate. "Would a similar block be acceptable today?" is a decent standard by which to measure whether an apology should be offered. --DHeyward (talk) 19:26, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The notion that WP:NLT had any applicability to this situation before or after the updates is ridiculous. In the quote in question Tony1 referred to WP RFC, WP community decisions, what constitutes acceptable linking on WP, WP:NOTADICT, WP:MOSLINK, etc. ". I will revert again if you revert. Then it becomes a legal issue. " Everyone with a tiny bit of WP editing experience knows about 3RR to which this is clearly referring, and the WP dispute resolution process that must be used instead of endless reverting. To see this as literal legal issue in a real world court of law is, like I said, ridiculous, and anyone who reads it that way and blocks without seeking clarification first is not cut out to be an admin. See #Why Oshwah should not be an admin below. --В²C ☎ 18:58, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Why Oshwah should not be an admin

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Anyone who thinks when an experienced and productive editor like Tony1 writes "Then it becomes a legal issue." in a dispute over WP rules on a WP talk page that what is meant by "legal" in that context is a reference to a real world court of law, and immediately blocks the editor per WP:NLT, should not be an admin, period.

It doesn't matter whether the misinterpretation stems from stupidity, ignorance, authoritarianism, malice, or inexperience, it should be unacceptable, without exception, for an admin to think this way, let alone act on it with a block. What a slap on the face to give to Tony. It's as despicable an act as behavior can be on WP. As long as Oshwah remains an admin, we're treating his behavior as if it is acceptable. That's very damaging to Wikipedia, and an insult to all editors, and, frankly, to all admins, by association. It's disrespectful to the entire community. I, for one, am outraged.

To be clear, this is a definition of legal from Merriam-Webster: 3 : conforming to or permitted by law or established rules · The referee said it was a legal play. When someone says "that's not legal" or "that's a legal issue" in the context of a dispute in the middle of a football or baseball game, every reasonable person understands what is and what is not meant there, and that it is not referring to threatening a lawsuit in a court of law. For crying out loud. Same with a dispute on a WP talk page. Again, if someone does not have the sense to interpret and comprehend ordinary English in disputes like this, and does not at least have the inclination to give an editor like Tony the benefit of the doubt and query for clarification before taking the drastic step of blocking, they're simply not cut out to be an admin. I see no way around this.

Sadly, I see no alternative. Therefore, I hereby formally request that Oshwah relinquish his adminship voluntarily. I'd hate to have to pursue this in a more formal process if Oshwah refuses, but for the good of WP and its invaluable editors and the respect they deserve, we can't just let this go. --В²C ☎ 18:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh, good grief. File the damned Arb case so we can bury the horse, will you?????? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Just make sure you use the preview button when you do. GMG<sup>talk</sup> 18:54, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

wonder if anything will be left to bury the way it is going Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I will file an arb if necessary. I'm just hoping Oshwah finally realizes he's not cut out for this and volunteers to give up his adminship without putting the community through all that. --В²C ☎ 19:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah apologized. Tony1 accepted the apology. Drop it. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:04, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I missed that. Where? I've only seen Oshwah allow that seeking clarification would have been preferable. That's hardly acknowledging the gravity of what he did, let alone make up for it. Indeed, it indicates he still doesn't get it. --В²C ☎ 19:11, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The situation has been resolved for some time now. This isn't an issue of beating a dead horse, this continued pursuit is clearly edging into harrassment. I suggest, Born2cycle, that you drop the matter for your own sake. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The fact that people think the situation has been resolved while Tony1 remains retired because of it not being resolved, Oshwah remains an admin, and others continue to chime in about his interpretation of "legal" in that context and the subsequent block without clarification was reasonable, underscores how unresolved it is. --В²C ☎ 19:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Tony is a good friend of mine, which is why I've kept out of this whole thing (though Bishzilla looked in briefly on Tony's page), but when I see things like "Oshwah should not be an admin" and "he's not cut out for this" on this page, I'm offended and incredulous enough to protest. Get over yourself, Born2cycle, and as Sarek says, either pursue your formal process or drop it. And don't you relinquish nothing, Oshwah, because you're plenty cut out for this. Bishonen | talk 19:24, 1 February 2018 (UTC).

Well put Bish! Any more beating of the ex-horse should be considered harassment, so it'd be nice if everyone dropped it and found something more constructive to do - TNT<sup>❤</sup> 19:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

This is resolved to the extent that any of us can do anything about it. Oshwah has met the usual expectations of accountability, Tony is not blocked and can edit if he wants to, and as far as I can tell everyone other than B2C was satisfied with the outcome days ago. Users should feel free to question admin actions without fear of reprisal but that caveat does not extend to users leveling abuse days after a situation is resolved. If you'd like to take this to Arbcom then do it, but think about what the chorus of responses to your posting this section says about how far a case is likely to go. Ivanvector (<sup>Talk</sup>/<sub>Edits</sub>) 19:33, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

On a hunch... yep, Bishonen, There'sNoTime, and Ivanvector are all admins. This circling of the wagons by fellow admins while accusing me of abuse by simply calling for a volunteer release of adminship, and using privileges to intimidate and discourage further discussion, is exemplifying another aspect of the problem. Anyone else want to be cited for abusing their admin powers in the upcoming arb case? --В²C ☎ 19:44, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Born2cycle: Are you threatening to mention me in an Arb case because I've, politely, voiced an opinion? Now what's absurd - TNT<sup>❤</sup> 19:45, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, and I'm awfully tempted to open a thread at ANI to discuss how best to stop the disruption your continued harassment of Osh construes. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I can probably... abuse rollback or something... no... that wont work. I... uh... I have autopatrolled on nnwiki.

Seriously dude. Chill out. If you want to start an ArbCom case then here you go. If you want to take some good advice and not, that's even better. But neither really necessitates continuing this thread. GMG<sup>talk</sup> 19:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

What privilege was used to intimidate you? Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Born2cycle, count me as another non-admin who thinks you should either get over yourself or get blocked. And I don't care which. Lepricavark (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Question

Can i put a little humor on my userpage of what i do outside of Wikipedia?Thegooduser talk 05:02, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Sure. Just make sure that whatever you add is compliant with Wikipedia's user page policy; other than that, yeah go for it ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:06, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

My Page was deleted for no reason

This is aditya powar and i made a page on wikipedia and the page was deleted, dont know why. im a authentic person and have worked in many films as writer and im a author too. Links: [1] , [2]. Please find out the reason and make the page live as soon as possible Officialadityapowar (talk) 07:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't even...

So I just found this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=822121811. I remember I once tried to put the source code for MS-DOS on my userpage, and it set off a filter that stopped me from submitting the edit. I am wondering how this edit got by.. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 14:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi LakesideMiners! Good question! edit filters work by checking specific conditions that are written by an edit filter manager on each edit or save attempt, and then taking the specified actions if such conditions match in that filter. The fact that this edit was able to save was most likely because it either didn't trip a condition on a filter with this specific situation (although I'm sure it did), or the action was to simply warn the user (which allows them to proceed and save the edit anyways). Did the filter you ran into deny you from saving the edit you speak of? Or did it simply warn you that it tripped a filter? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:11, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

It denied me from saving it. I don't care, I was board one day and messed around in my user space. Might of been the large size of the source code that stopped me though. . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 12:56, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

LakesideMiners - Check out your edit filter log - it looks like your tripped it multiple times. It looks like an edit filter mistook your edits to your user page as ascii art - that's what happened :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 12:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar

Please...how do I give a barn star to a tireless editor whose post are informative.Lharnee Bloom (talk) 22:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Lharnee Bloom If you're asking what I think you're asking, what you'll do is first go to any of the user pages of the user you want to send a barnstar. Then, click the "heart" button" at the tab bar near the top of the screen, in between the "view history" option and the "star" option. Once you've clicked that, select the "barnstars" option on the menu to the left, although the option should be picked by default. From there, you can choose which barnstar you want to use, and you can enter a message to go with the barnstar. Once you're done, click send.

Hope this helps!--SkyGazer 512 <sup>talk / contributions / subpages</sup> 02:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Range block

Can I please encourage you to consider blocking on a more conservative basis. In one range block, you recently blocked thousands of editors across an entire country for a week. [10]

The last time you blocked this range, you rapidly undid it due to collateral damage. Was it really necessary this time?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.169 (talk) 17:46, 24 January 2018

Hi there! And thank you for leaving me a message here! When I checked during this time, I saw less potential for collateral damage compared to the number of disruptive edits that were coming from this range. Previously, this wasn't the case. This is why I blocked the range recently, but decided previously not to do so. If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. Put this way. My IP is changed automatically by my mobile phone provider without any input from me. I share the same range with literally tens of thousands of other people. From the edit log since the block expired, the range appears to cover many different people making dozens of edits on a casual basis every day; some good, some bad, some indifferent.

I'd politely suggest that a block for an hour or two, or a day at most, would probably have been enough to see this vandal off. (At least it wasn't as bad as the 6 month block I was caught by last time.)

(It would also help if admins would actually action unblock requests, rather than complaining that the request used the wrong paperwork, or filled it in incorrectly, or could be avoided by some other means such as registering for an account. But we lowly IPs are at best fourth class citizens, so I suppose we just have to suck it up.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.221 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate you for messaging me here and for expressing your concerns. Sure, I understand how dynamic IP address distributions work and how mobile networks operate. I always try my best to block as small of a range as possible and for as small of a duration as possible to stop the disruption and avoid causing any collateral damage to others. I'm sorry to hear that this block did so, and I'll make sure to keep this in mind with future range blocks. I also appreciate your feedback regarding the unblock request process; I agree that we shouldn't be declining requests based on technicalities (such as using the wrong unblock request template) and that we should instead just fix them and focus on the issue at-hand. I wish you well, and I hope that my range block didn't inconvenience you too harshly. I'll look into this range and figure out a better way to address this problem next time should it return. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, looking back, I see we have had a similar conversation before User talk:213.205.198.18, and I see several other people making similar comments from time to time (they are not all me!). Until the next time... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.221 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

It appears we have - I remember this. Oh, and I'm sure you know this, but you can avoid being caught by network and IP range blocks if you create an account. Not only will it resolve that frustration entirely, but using an account comes with many benefits. I encourage you to create one :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed blog post on "Indicator of Compromise"

Hi there! You've removed my blog post on "Vetting Threat Intelligence" (https://blog.pulsedive.com/2018/01/18/vetting-threat-intelligence/) from the Wikipedia page for "Indicator of Compromise." While I did write the blog post, it is relevant, informative, and very useful information for cybersecurity professionals, and can help them do their jobs more effectively. Please let me know what your concerns are and if I can add the link back to the Indicator of Compromise page under Further Reading. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.151.250 (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2018

Hi there! Please read and understand Wikipedia's policy on original research, and let me know if you have any questions. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:12, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Your responses to messages on your talk page are always humorous and cheer me up when I am feeling down. A barnstar for you! . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 17:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi LakesideMiners! Thanks for taking the time to leave me this barnstar! I'm happy to see that my overall demeanor and attitude when responding to others and communicating on my talk page here makes a positive impact on others - that's why I do it! Thanks again, and happy editing to you! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 17:14, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Noel N. Ashman Wikipedia Page

Not sure of protocol or how this gets done but perhaps you or someone with more Wikipedia credentials than I could take a glance at the "Edit War" going on over the Noel Ashman page and decide what is best. It appears there are parties who wish the Noel N. Ashman page to serve as some sort of sales tool for the subject as opposed to a comprehensive bio. This is tantamount to the Richard Nixon Wikipedia Page omitting Watergate and the Bombing of Cambodia. Please see for yourself and perhaps protect the version of the page with the documented, referenced details of Mr. Ashman's career that are not as rosy as what the subject would like us to believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oshwah&action=edit&section=new — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghostofchristmaspast (talk • contribs) 18:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Ghostofchristmaspast - I've added full protection to the article due to the edit warring currently in progress with its content. You both would be typically blocked for this, but I felt that protecting the page and warning you both was a more appropriate action. Please review Wikipedia's policy on edit warring, and take note of Wikipedia's blight-line three-revert rule that helps to define when back-and-fourth reverting is typically seen and enforced as edit warring. If you have any more questions or need assistance, please let me know. Thanks for leaving me a message, and I wish you happy editing. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

perhaps you might take a glance at the longer, more comprehensive version of the article, which is a more accurate portrayal of the subject Noel N. Ashman, and consider protecting that version of the page for the benefit of the general public. Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghostofchristmaspast (talk • contribs) 19:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

With the exception of biographies of living persons (which I scrutinize for any BLP violations or issues before protecting), I typically will only check the current revision of an article for blatant vandalism or other serious violation of policy when I decide to protect an article due to edit warring or content dispute between users. This assures that I do not give any inadvertent advantage, bias, or weight with one article revision over another. See this page for an understanding of what I mean exactly. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

The highly sanitized version of the Noel N. Ashman page that is currently being protected is likely being used by this Ashman individual in order to raise funds from the general public. What is up on Wikipedia at present omits key, adequately-sourced details about this individual that the public has a right to be made aware of. Respectfully, this situation warrants your briefly examining the longer, more comprehensive profile of Ashman and, perhaps, restoring it should you see fit... Or simply deleting the Noel N. Ashman profile altogether as Wikipedia administrators have in the past.Ghostofchristmaspast (talk) 23:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Ghostofchristmaspast - I don't understand - what content are you concerned about exactly? Stating that content on this article is "likely being used by this Ashman individual in order to raise funds from the general public" isn't enough for me to consider any content inappropriate or against a Wikipedia policy or guideline. What makes you believe this is happening? What was engaging in edit warring and repeatedly reverting the article going to solve? Is this what you feel is going on regarding the other involved user? I'm confused and I need details and more information so that I can help you... ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:26, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

If you look at the "extended" version of Noel N. Ashman's profile (I have pasted it below for your convenience), it mentions all of his extensive legal troubles -- properly referenced and sourced. For instance: If Noel Ashman takes Michael Strahan's money and good name under the pretense of opening a legitimate celebrity bar/lounge and then transforms that place into an underground adult cabaret and gets raided by the police, the incident bears mentioning in Ashman's Wikipedia Profile. (The aforementioned was covered by dozens of reputable news outlets, and turns up easily in Michael Strahan searches - but not in Noel Ashman searches, as the breaking outlet, The New York Daily News, was the only publication that bothered to mention Noel in their two page coverage of the story in April 2015.) The Noel N. Ashman profile that is currently up and protected is a vanity piece, likely created by the subject himself or one of his associates. It suggests that the Noel Ashman is a successful nightclub owner and pioneer of sorts. He is not. Ashman was dragged into court and evicted from every location he has occupied over the last decade and a half. He was at constant war with his partners in ever single venue -- The New York Post, New York Daily News, Village Voice and New York Observer all covered these stories in depth. But whoever created the Noel N. Ashman profile has taken taken strong exception to any of those publications being referenced and, thus, those details have been systematically deleted. This is tantamount to the George W. Bush Wikipedia page omitting the Iraq war.Ghostofchristmaspast (talk) 00:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration.

All the best -

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Career In 1996, Ashman opened his first club, Veruka. The Manhattan nightclub is widely regarded as one of the first clubs to have bottle service, and became well known for its strict door policy. Veruka had a number of high-profile celebrity guests, including Sean Penn, Ben Affleck, Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Wahlberg, Cuba Gooding Jr., Nicolas Cage, Debbie Harry, Dennis Leary, Martin Sheen, and Sarah Jessica Parker. Veruka was also a frequent hangout for members of the New York Yankees. The club operated from January 1996 to July 2005. Ashman followed the venture with a brief revival of Studio 54. In 2004, Ashman purchased the nightclub Nell’s along with partners Chris Noth, Samantha Ronson, Damon Dash, and Jesse Bradford, among others, and opened a private club, NA, in the newly redesigned space. Ashman operated NA and a semi-private club, The Plumm, at the West 14th Street location from 2004 to 2009. Court records show the New York City Marshall’s office took possession of The Plumm on April 9, 2009 as a result of $113,727 in unpaid rent. Housing Court records show that even prior to winning an eviction, The Plumm’s landlord had filed suit against the club on six separate occasions. In 2005, when the club was known as NA, investors unsuccessfully attempted to oust Ashman as managing partner for overspending “approximately 163% over the amount budgeted in the business plan,” although the club was operating only three days a week, not seven, as originally planned, according to court papers. Multiple employees of the Plumm stated that they were bilked by Ashman, whom they claimed, in addition to not paying their hourly wages, stole their tips. In 2014, Ashman opened The Leonora in the Chelsea section of Manhattan with investors Michael Strahan, Simon Rex, and Damon Dash. Eviction proceedings began against the Leonora three months after its opening. Not long after, the NYPD raided the Leonora, when they received a tip that it was being operated as an illegal adult cabaret. Multiple summonses were issued, putting the club’s liquor license in jeopardy. “They owe everybody money and the neighbors and the police are tired of them,” claimed a nightlife insider. As of April 1, 2015 The Leonora had issued nearly 150 unredeemable checks to vendors and employees over a seven-month period. Ashman was soon squaring off with his partners and investors and resorted to installing an alarm system, which prohibited those same investors from entering the club during the daytime, in order to review the club’s financial records. Alleging that $89,000 in cash was unaccounted for, these investors drafted a legal letter to Ashman, demanding that he “produce a complete set of accounting records.” On November 29, 2015, a stop-work order was served on the Leonora by the Workers Compensation Board, which cited the club with $18,000 in unpaid fines. The New York City Marshall’s office took possession of the Leonora on January 5, 2016. During the period between Plumm and Leonora, Ashman attempted to operate a club known as The Elsinore. He appeared unable to get along with his partners even before the venue opened for business. The venture was short lived and The Elsinore shuttered prior to its official opening as a result of Ashman being locked out of the premises by his partners and investors, one of who claimed: “Mr. Ashman, outside of self-promoting himself did nothing,” Ashman has been a producer and acted in several films. He was the associate producer for the 1999 film Speedway Junky, which starred Jesse Bradford and Daryl Hannah. He was a co-producer of the 2000 film The Atrocity Exhibition, based on the writings of British author J. G. Ballard. He was also a co-producer of the 2001 film Never Again, starring Jeffrey Tambor and written and directed by Eric Schaeffer, and an executive producer on Schaeffer’s 2004 film Mind the Gap. In 2013, Ashman co-produced the TV series The Trouble with Billy, and in 2015 produced the short film Fall 4 You. Ashman appears in films Mind the Gap, Never Again, and Fall 4 You, and was a producer on The Guitar and Bounce: Behind the Velvet Rope. Ashman received a special thanks Noel Ashman credit Carlito’s Way: Rise to Power. Ashman co-produced the 2001 off-Broadway play The Dog Problem by David Rabe, and is co-owner of a film production company called Co-op. Upcoming projects Ashman is an executive producer on the 2017 film Gotti, starring John Travolta and directed by actor Kevin Connolly, as well as on the upcoming film Reprisal, starring Bruce Willis and Olivia Culpo. He is a producer and actor in the 2018 film Clinton Road, starring Ice T & Vincent Pastore. Ashman is also a producer on the 2018 documentary Wasted Talent, which examines the temptations and struggles many young celebrities go through on their rise to stardom. The documentary stars former NBA All-Star Jayson Williams, journalist Rita Cosby, actors William McNamara and Lillo Brancato, actress Paula Devicq, and Ashman, among others. Personal life Ashman was born in Manhattan in 1970. He graduated from Columbia Grammar and Preparatory School in 1989. Ashman attended Boston University, where he graduated in 1993 with a degree in Economics. Ashman dated actress Paula Devicq from the television series Party of Five. He was also romantically linked to singer-songwriter and model Kimberly Locke, who gained fame after participating in the 2003 season of American Idol. References References Category:Film producers

Precious Cargo Wiki Update

I know it was enthusiastic and a little opinion. You could edit out the adjectives and still have a decent review that is impartial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:c421:3760:cd2e:903d:8d47:ab1d (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Your changes are not permanently gone - they're saved as a revision within the article's history page. You can make changes to that revision and improve your addition of content by clicking here. If you have any questions or need help, please don't hesitate to let me know. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 21:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Susan Collins amendments

You keep removing my amendments the instant I add them. WTF?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:c421:3760:cd2e:903d:8d47:ab1d (talk • contribs) 20:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

when was it published

it says 2014 in the neural turing machine but i need to know the exact date can anyone find that ive looked everywhere *ROLL EYES AT YOU CAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3c2:8200:17ca:5c3a:faff:d8b7:c110 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

IP edits at Wing Bowl

Hi Oshwah. I realize that perhaps the last thing you need at the moment is getting involved in another brouhaha, but may you'll have better luck explaining things to this IP. I don't think they are going to be too interested in anything I say after this edit sum and this Talk:Wing Bowl#Allegations of sexism and misogyny. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly! That's no problem at all - I've been keeping an eye on the edits to that page since I ran into them just a bit ago. Sure, I can try and talk to the user if you'd like. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Acroterion warned them about NPA, and also about WP:BURDEN; the IP, however, has decided to follow WP:IDHT instead and gone back to edit warring. SkyWarrior also posted something on the IP's user talk. Anyway, since there are now two admins and at least one other editor involved, I'll step back to try and let things cool down and leave it up to one of you to decide what needs to be done next. My suggestion though would be to follow WP:STATUSQUO and see how things play out on the article's talk page; the IP, however, seems feel differently. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I see you blocked the IP for edit warring. That wasn't my ultimate goal, but I think it was necessary. I still suggest WP:STATUSQUO for the content to see if there's a consensus for it; otherwise, the block for edit warring seems a bit pointless. However, I do realize that removing it again my only encourage WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT, but the article can be protected if things get too out of hand. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I just blocked the IP for edit warring. The user was warned for it, and proceeded to do so multiple times despite the warning and being offered assistance and asked to stop. I hope the user will return and work with you guys (and ladies) to resolve the dispute. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Marchjuly - I agree. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:24, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Do you want to revert back to the last stable version or can I? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Marchjuly - Have at it! ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah. IP’s block expires and suddenly a new account is created and the first edit made is to re-add the same disputed content. Seems too much of WP:QUACK to be a pure coincidence. I’m going to start a SPI later when I get home if someone doesn’t do so first. Also going to ping @Acroterion and SkyWarrior: on this. —- Marchjuly (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Marchjuly - The article is now semi-protected. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 10:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Funko

You recently (soft) blocked Funko Retail Revolution (talk · contribs) for a username violation (though, I think they were clearly spamming the page). Anyhow, they just created Blazingorchidlv (talk · contribs) and made the same exact edit. Since the initial block was a soft block, I don't think it's technically block evasion, but just thought I'd let you know. Regards. 61.75.226.59 (talk) 01:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! You are correct; it is not block evasion in this case since they were simply asked to change their username. However, if the user makes problematic edits, they can be talked to, educated, and treated like any other editor doing so. Thanks for the heads up - much appreciated :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

yes it was a mistake sorry about that and for the inconvenience

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:c201:5a80:491:418b:d567:58ef (talk • contribs) 02:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

[[[REDACTED - Oshwah]]]

Hi Oshwah, does this merit rev/deletion? Thanks, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey Bob! Nice to see you again! Yeah... I was looking at these edits as well. I think I'll err on the side of caution and hit them with the revy devy. Thanks for the message, and I hope you're doing well :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 02:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Rollback

The example case was sufficient for Ad Orientem, but alright. I will raise the issue again when better able to fulfill the prescribed duties. - Conservatrix (talk) 05:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

List of Metaphysical Works edit

Whoops, sorry. I was trying to fix the section title, but it seems my cloud-to-butt chrome plugin did some extra fiddling. --59.167.220.133 (talk) 10:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

My edits

What have I done wrong and why are my edits being reverted, Thanks, Steve burr xx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveburr2000 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Pls...

Please PP my CSD log. Thanks! CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Chrissymad -  Done. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wut?

Why am I being prompted to accept pending revisions of you reverting someone on Deepak Chopra? That doesn't seem quite right... GMG<sup>talk</sup> 13:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Assume that's got to do with the unreverted edit right before. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC) (talk page watcher)

If I (or anybody regardless of user rights) make an edit to an article under pending changes protection and after another pending revision that hasn't yet been accepted, you have to review and accept all edits made up to that revision. That's what happened :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah. Derp. I know that surely. It just didn't dawn on me that was what was happening. GMG<sup>talk</sup> 13:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo - I mean, it is kinda weird to see when it happens. I used to get tripped up when I had to review and accept my own edits let alone the edits of other users that are normally auto-accepted ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I accept no responsibility. I'm only on my second cup of coffee, so I'm not medically or legally a person yet. GMG<sup>talk</sup> 13:53, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That's a legit defense - I'll accept that ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:56, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• This exact same thing has happened to me. I think it might have even been Osh who made the edit I was supposed to accept... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

removed link

Hi,

THe data provided with my web site (not commercial site) give tons of information dedicated to Haitian music. It seems you removed this link before to see what I can offer in terms of information to our encyclopedia, right ?

I let have a look and we can discuss the matter

[REDACTING - Oshwah] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.235.248 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Jason Puncheon

Regarding the removal of my edit, here's the citation. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jason+puncheon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.210.236 (talk) 26 January 2018

(talk page stalker) Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source. !dave 07:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

SuperWikiWarriorOps

I'm not sure how SuperWikiWarriorOps was able to edit my talk page which is still semi-protected, given that the contributions were all timed on 26 January 2017 at 11:43 to 11:52 (UTC) today... Iggy (Swan) 18:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Iggy the Swan - The account was created on January 22, so once it made its 10th edit today, it became autoconfirmed and could then edit your user talk page. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That explains that, Iggy (Swan) 18:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Iggy the Swan - If you see any more trouble afoot, let me know and I'll be happy to take care of it ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Iggy the Swan - Also, I noticed that your user page was completely unprotected. I went ahead and fixed that for you ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

That would certainly prevent the WP:LTA/MRY trolling in the future on my page. Iggy (Swan) 20:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Sofia being his favourite person

Hey recently I posted in tom managhans Wikipedia saying that sam was his favourite person with Sofia coming in a close second. Just wondering why it was deleted since it was based off fact. Cheers Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofiasfavouriteperson (talk • contribs) 18:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

• No, you're randomly typing in trivia with misleading edit summaries. Drmies (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Jean Springer is alive and well

I tried to correct Jean Springer's page as someone confused her with a Jean Springer who tragically died in 2007.

I am accused of "vandalism" by wikipedia ... how does one do such corrections?

Claude Laflamme, Professor of Mathematics

Department of Mathematics & Statistics University of Calgary Calgary, Alberta Canada T2N 1N4

• Dr. Laflamme--I reverted you in part because of the tone of the text you inserted into the encyclopedic article, which struck me as altogether too jocular for encyclopedic text. I am looking into the matter. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
• Not sure why Ivar the Boneful thought they were the same person - pretty clear from the article - at the Malvern Methodist Church, the same church where Jean was an elder and a prayer co-ordinator. At the memorial service, hundreds of teary-eyed mourners remembered Jean Springer, who had taken part in the women's ministry and had regularly led prayer time. "Today we mourn her loss, but our faith calls on us to forgive others and God has in Christ forgiven us," said Marlon Mitchell, a youth pastor for the church. Jean, who worked freelance in the accounting field, devoted her life to Malvern Methodist, a church her husband had even helped paint in his off-hours while his wife tended to church matters, said Arden-Ray, a management marketing consultant. that it is not the same Jean Springer Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
• Ivar the Boneful, do you have something to add here? In light of this? Oshwah, I have to run, but can you take care of the matter? Dr. Laflamme, who has a much cooler name than me (but at least I teach English, not boring math), appears to be right. Drmies (talk) 19:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Drmies - Can do! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikilaf - I'm happy to help you get your edit fixed up, and I apologize for the revert and the warning. Reviewing the edits made, they certainly were not vandalism as my message described. I'm sorry for this, and I have removed it. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikilaf - It looks like the article is fixed now. I appreciate you for fixing it very much, and I'm sorry that my revert only got in the way and caused you confusion and frustration. Please let me know if you need anything else, or if you have any additional questions or concerns. I'll be happy to help you. Best -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Coachella Valley Church

Hi. You restricted editing on Coachella Valley Church due to edit warring. However, the person doing edit warring is likely a sock puppet of banned users. See here: [11]. Please revert the user (174.227.6.232) changes and then protect the article as you think best. Thanks. NaturaNaturans (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

NaturaNaturans - Thanks for the message and for letting me know. I'll take another look! ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey Oshwah, might I suggest changing the protection from full to semi and reverting the IP. I can do it if you prefer. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

NaturaNaturans, Bbb23 -  Done and  Done. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Now I can close the SPI. --Bbb23 (talk) 20:41, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Bbb23 - You bet... and nice! Always good to see those get closed out ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 20:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! NaturaNaturans (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

NaturaNaturans - You bet; always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 21:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for Advice

Hey, Oshwah. I see you've been involved in cleaning up the latest incarnations of a particular block-evader. When new IP's pop up that continue the same old games, is my best bet to keep reporting them on WP:SPI, like I did today, or is there some other way to deal with them? My impression is that SPI seems to mostly focus on sockpuppetry between two or more logged-in accounts. When it's just a bunch of IP's, is there some difference in the protocol?

If you aren't sure who I'm referring to, I can be more explicit.Alephb (talk) 00:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alephb, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your questions. I'm fairly certain that you're referring to this stuff, am I correct? Lets generalize and create a example for simplicity. If you see different IPs adding disruption or other problematic edits to an article that you believe are from the same person, it's usually better to report them to AIV or ANI. SPI? It depends... SPI is for reporting different accounts and providing evidence that they are being controlled by more than one person. You can certainly add IP addresses to the list in your report as well (and definitely do so if you have em), but creating an SPI to only report a group of IPs (while fine) isn't sock puppetry. The best thing that can be done in these situations is to list the IPs involved somewhere so an admin (or experienced user) can try and find any common ranges or sub-ranges between them so that those can be blocked - then we're playing less "whack-a-mole", and we're putting a stop to the IP hopping. Finding ranges isn't a for-sure thing, as people can jump between whole networks, proxies, VPNs, etc very easily and no commonality may be possible, but it's a start. Other solutions? Page protection, edit filters, blacklists - we have lots of tools to help us :-). I hope this answers your questions and helps explain what different measures I look into when I see situations like that. If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Keep up the good work! Your edits, time, dedication, and diligence are greatly appreciated and very helpful :-). Cheers -- ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Yep, that's what I'm referring to, and it's part of a fairly long history that starts with a couple accounts that I got blocked. There's a whole interesting suite of behavioral characteristics this family of users and IPs share. That helps. And I hadn't even heard of AIV, so that's useful to know. The terms that I don't understand are "ranges," "sub-ranges," and "edit filters." If you have handy links to good explanations, I wouldn't mind getting a peek at them, but if that's too much an imposition on your time, I'd bet a little googling on my part can probably do the trick too. Alephb (talk) 00:44, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Alephb - Sure! An easy way to explain ranges... do you have a router in your home? And do you notice that it hands out IPs to your computers and WiFi devices such as 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, etc? So, basically 192.168.1.X? There are many internet providers and networks that hand out IPs to their customers and users similar to your router (they're just numbered differently) - and people (often without knowing it, sometime purposefully) will change IP addresses like that to another one. So if I see users like 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, etc vandalizing an article... instead of blocking each IP one-at-a-time as the person receives a different IP and keeps disrupting, I could just block the entire range, or just block 192.168.1.X - or all of the IPs that start with "192.168.1" and end with anything afterwards. This is an IP range, and what is known as IP range blocking. There are pages that explain this better than I can -- check out this section of the block policy, MediaWiki's help page on range blocks, and this in-depth response I made here about how IP version 6 range blocks work. If you have any questions or need me to help explain anything further, please let me know and I'll be happy to do so :-). ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Makes sense. I have seen multiple very similar-looking IP's editing some articles in suspicious manners. Makes sense that there would be a way to fix that. Alephb (talk) 01:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you, Oshwah for reverting vandalism and protecting pages such as MiszaBot's user page. I grant you this barnstar for your efforts. Cheers from CryfryDG. (talk) 00:27, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

CryfryDG! Thank you! I appreciate the barnstar and that you took the time to leave such kind words. It's one thing that I enjoy doing doing on Wikipedia, and I'm happy to be of service. :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 00:35, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

London Eye

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:CD0:7300:B577:3AE:1998:D69A

82.132.223.168 (talk) 04:13, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

steve wynn

i edited the steve wynn page because the language there misrepresents the facts in a skewed way. the source cited was already correct, but the language was wrong. He was not accused by his ex-wife and he was accused of rape not misconduct. please return my edit or correct similarly

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.195.159 (talk) 27 January 2018

Regret

I am sorry sir for my mistake . I will try not to make such comments . I meant to write something else but due to my faulty keyboard the outcome was different . I am extremely sorry .

I am sorry sir for my mistake . I will try not to make such comments . I meant to write something else but due to my faulty keyboard the outcome was different . I am extremely sorry . From Rimi07032003 Adhyetri Joddar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rimi07032003 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

are you artificial intelligence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.130.62 (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

To be honest none of us know. . Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners<sup>Click Here To Talk To Me!</sup> 13:02, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I am updating correct info

Hello i am update correct information of Indian business — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.64.21.210 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Your edits to this article have multiple problems. Aside from the fact that the content is worded like an advertisement and isn't referenced by any sources at all, none of that content is necessary or needed in an encyclopedia article. Please review Wikipedia's policies and guidelines on advertising, wording articles in a neutral point of view, original research, and identifying reliable sources - they will help you to understand why your edits have issues and explain you you can resolve them and improve your contributions. Please let me know if you have any questions about the pages I linked you here, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

OSHWAH!

please change it back it is true i always say meh instead of me please change it back please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.46.210.240 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

recent change to berserker saberhagen page

hello you removed my edit to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_(Saberhagen) with the reason stated that it was not a neutral statement. It was entirely neutral, I merely stated that the Carmpan race main help that they give to ED (Earth Descended) Solarians is the 'Prophecy of Probability', in which they can give information about future events. The prophecy is extremely taxing and can even lead to the death of a Carmpan.

This is taken right out of Saberhagen's book 'Berserker Prime' and as you can see is completely neutral, having no judgmental or opinion elements. Please replace it so people will have more information, as that is what Wikipedia is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:d500:67d0:e1c9:1cb0:b25:9bb5 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the message - I realized after re-reading your edit that I interpreted its meaning incorrectly. The article subject also doesn't place my interpretation correctly to assert it as an neutral point of view issue. Please accept my apologies; I've restored your edit and removed the notice from your talk page. Please let me know if you need anything else. Best - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Removal of item on Bitcoin scalability problem

I can't see what you removed. What was it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebirthNA (talk • contribs) 19:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

RebirthNA - You can disregard that... haha. The revert was made accidentally, and I've since restored the previous changes and removed that notice on your talk page. Please let me know if you have questions or need anything else. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 19:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Please don't revert masood's page

• (talk page stalker) I've blocked 103.95.80.0/23 for a week. Bishonen | talk 22:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC).

Bishonen - Nice... thanks for hitting that range with a block. Much appreciated. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 22:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Glad you like it! It's cheering to see such a small range.. though I suppose they may have access to more. Time will tell. Bishonen | talk 23:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC).

It made me smile! lol. Indeed - better to block too small of a range than to block too large of one. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:03, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion

Thank you for your opinion however, I will continue to add improvements as needed Microplant (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Bryan Cranston Wiki page Correction

RE: == January 2018 ==

Hello, I'm Oshwah. An edit you recently made to Bryan Cranston seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, the sandbox is the best place to do so. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

While reading this actor's book, "A Life in Parts," I found your page did not have his mother's name listed correctly, so I tried to make that change to read Annalisa "Peggy" Dorthea Sell, which is what he himself states is accurate. I assume he would know his own mother's name...Anyway, I am not a computer geek and this website is not as easy as it used to be to use for those of us old folks... Not a test. 2600:1700:D2B1:C50:9450:817E:14C1:7D81 (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Wbm1058#Failed page-swap

Oshwah is coming "just in five minutes", stay tight.

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Wbm1058#Failed page-swap. —usernamekiran(talk) 01:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Usernamekiran! I apologize for the delay getting back to you. I took a look at the discussion and I noticed that another administrator has resolved it - cool deal. If you need anything else, please don't hesitate to message me and let me know :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

lol. That was like a decade ago! See you around :) —usernamekiran(talk) 12:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Usernamekiran - HA! Nice picture! I was just following up since you messaged me here - give me some credit now! ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 12:41, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I had contacted all the sysops who had edited in last 30 seconds. That included Black Kite, and some other sysops I didnt know existed. :D And yeah, I know your reputation, so I thought you would handle it. But Wbm1058 was pretty quick. Actually, his was an issue raised at your CU request, "backlogged talkpage" or something like that. :D
I dont know what it is, but whenever I see your photo, it relaxes me; and the photo makes me think that you must be very friendly in real life as well. —usernamekiran(talk) 12:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Usernamekiran - I'm frequently told on IRC that I'm one of the "more chill admins" around here, so I'll take that as a good thing... lol. I'm I'm happy to hear that my picture does more than just make people think, "Good... LORD! What a freak! That.... that... hair!" - and I appreciate the kind words greatly. My talk page is always open to you, so if you ever need anything - you know where to find me ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 12:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, being friendly "online", and in real life are two very different things. You seem to be both. Just one more last question: The hair, was it just one time thing, or do you usually have long hair? —usernamekiran(talk) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I cut it and went completely bald shortly after that photo was taken - that was (I believe) about 2 years worth of time growing out my hair. I've since stopped cutting my hair (once again) and I'm growing it out to be as it was before - It's about... I'd say 65% at the length it was when that picture was taken. Soon... ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 13:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Removed information

Hi, I removed information on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Complex,_Petersburg

The information I removed was my name and information on there, I do not want to be listed as a " Notable Inmate "

You need to click here and follow the directions in order to get your particular issues and concerns resolved. You'll be in contact with the Volunteer Response Team who can assist you privately. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:48, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

update lodhapalavaacity.com website

Hi, Today i am update www.lodhapalavaacity.com in Lodha Group Wikipedia page why are you removing this website , pleas update this website because this new channel partner website for lodha group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul610 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Abdul610 - This doesn't appear to be their official website. Why does this URL need to be added to the article? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:33, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Edits on Gender Disparities in Health

The edits that I made did have sources. Here they are. 1. Sue, Kyle. "The science behind 'man flu.'" BMJ 2017;359:j5560 doi: 10.1136/bmj.j5560 http://press.psprings.co.uk/bmj/december/manflu.pdf Page 2. 2. Austad S.N.a, Bartke A.b. "Sex Differences in Longevity and in Responses to Anti-Aging Interventions: A Mini-Review." Gerontology 2016 Volume 62 number 1. DOI: 10.1159/000381472 https://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/381472 page 41. and 3. Austad, Steven N. Fischer, Kathleen E. "Sex Differences in Lifespan." Cell Metabolism 23, June 14, 2016 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cmet.2016.05.019. pages 1026-1028. 4. Macintyre, Sally. Hunt, Kate. Sweeting, Helen. "Gender differences in health: Are things really as simple as they seem?" Social Science & Medicine, Volume 42, Issue 4, February 1996, Pages 617-624. https://doi.org/10.1016/0277-9536(95)00335-5.

So, what claim do you not see as supported by my citations? Sewblon 06:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Oops! That revert wasn't intentional. I've restored your changes and I apologize for the mistake. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 06:45, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Rote Zora

Why did you revert my edit on Rote Zora? They were responsible for over 40 bombings, presumably terrorising their targets, doesn't that make them terrorists???? --110.144.94.188 (talk) 07:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The two edits you made here and here replace the word "militant" with "terrorist", which has a few issues - mainly, it may violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. I apologize for the warnings; calling your edits 'vandalism' was not the best way to talk to you about them; I should have instead told you that they have this issue. I'm going to replace those warnings and fix this now. Please let me know if you have any questions about this policy and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks for the message - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:05, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Kim Jong-hyun.

Hello there.

I have been informed about your message about Jong-hyun.

Just wanted to let you know that he was born in Seoul, not England.

You also said something about a reliable source? I'm still new to Wikipedia so I would like to have further explaintion.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K-Ghoul (talk • contribs) 12:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi K-Ghoul! Welcome to Wikipedia! When adding content to articles, you want to locate reliable sources and cite them in-line with the content you're adding. This is needed with content that is being challenged, likely to be challenged - especially when adding content to an article on biographies of living people. You can refer to this guideline page if you need assistance with how to cite content in-line. There are Wikipedia tools and shortcuts that make this very easy to do. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Again, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you've joined and that you're here to help expand and improve the project! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:07, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I need your help brother.

I've been trying to look for something concerning the ONS . What does it mean ?? Is it a program ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.150.148.194 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

"ONS"? Is it something from this list of items maybe? ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Reverted my edit

Hi

My edit is reverted without reference (this was my first time to edit and sorry for bothering you).

Jojima is blessed with rice from Chikugo plain and water from Chikugo river and has been famous for Japanese Sake since Meiji Era. >> this is a link to support above: http://www.kurume-hotomeki.jp/special/kurume_story06.html

Every February, there is a festival to celebrate the opening of a storehouse for the first time in the New Year. >> This is a link to support above: http://www.kurume-hotomeki.jp/event/?mode=detail&id=400000000734

Regards,

Kiyotaka Imai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imai-007 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Imai-007, and welcome to Wikipedia! You're absolutely welcome to message me if you have questions and no apologies are needed at all; I'll be more than happy to help you. When adding content to articles, you want to locate reliable sources and cite them in-line with the content you're adding. This is needed with content that is being challenged, likely to be challenged - especially when adding content to an article on biographies of living people. You can refer to this guideline page if you need assistance with how to cite content in-line. There are Wikipedia tools and shortcuts that make this very easy to do. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Again, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you've joined and that you're here to help expand and improve the project! :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:14, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Apology

I'm sorry if I ruined your day. As I'm honestly a bit of an autist, I lack tact. And I consider pen battles to be fun, please don't take me too seriously, I meant it as playful. (Clearly I'm tactless if that's playful 😞) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Autist Pendragon (talk • contribs) 18:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Laurent Picard

Hello, I am unsure what to do about the new user who keeps blanking this page. They have an admitted conflict of interest but their edits are in good faith as and they have posted on User:Edcolins page that they plan on uploading correct content. However, they cannot just blank pages while they we wait for them to upload the content. Should we keep reverting? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4 - They seem to feel that what they're doing is helping or improving the article - naturally, I don't want to jump to a block until we've tried to help and educate the user and to no avail. Let's try and help the user by messaging them on their talk page and asking them what the edits are about and what they're trying to do - assume that they mean well, but are just doing it very incorrectly. Disruptive edits on the outside (especially blanking) can send the message to others that the user is just being a vandal and that they should be blocked, but if we take a second and look at their edit summaries, this situation doesn't appear to be one of these cases - situations like these are typically resolved with ease by just asking the user if they need help :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 23:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I like the message you sent them but they blanked the page again. I told them to reply on their talk page. I know this user is probably upset that this person is deceased and says there is "inexact, incomplete or erroneous information" but we cannot just let blank content sit on someone's page. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Maybe they are confused on how to reply? They're original edits, that Edcolins reverted (correctly I believe), were okay however it was too much fluff and personal op (for example "While with not the means to be philanthropists from the purse, both were from their heart and with their time.") However I feel most was workable and we can help him incorporate it into the page. He just needs to reply. Should I message him, politely, underneath your message? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

From the new user with apparent but No Conflict of Interest...I can modulate subjective part...but most of it is factual...do I also have to eliminate the personal dimension of his life...?Osnwats...you consider vandalism because I put a blank page...you prefer to have erroneous information than exact information. All of my contribution, 20 houras of work, link, digitized news clips were erased by Edcollins on the pretext that I have a familial relationship with Laurent Picard. Yes, I am his son. And I put my actual name, instead of a fictitious avatar. Apparently, because I "may" have the "appearance" of a conflict of interest, I am not allowed towrite on wikipedia. Why don't youreally tell me what thias is about, since you are canadian. My father, Laurent Picard has been deceased for five years...his crriculum includes much more than simply working at the CBC and Mcgill. Obviously, aqnother narcissistic self centered canadian from the anglo canadian community opf McGill believes that anything that has a french sound to it should not be referenced on wikipedia or associated with canada. What is your real name...why are you not afraidfd of displaying narcissistic picture of yourself yet can put your real name...who is the faked conflict of interest here...do you also believe wikipedia is a contact sport...that fakeness is relative...are you a feminist by any chance. Why don't you contact Eddfy the retard and ask him why is removed, censured all my contributions...is he playing corrupt drunken cops...nasdaq conflict of interest bitcoin money laundering cop?

You might be interested in this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Denys Picard: you are allowed to write on Wikipedia, however, all edits must be neutral and sourced. As well, I have spoken to you in a kind manner, I have not made any comments regarding your nationality or anything related to language, and I hope you share the same courtesy with me. We merely want to help you contribute, because that is what Wikipedia is all about. We tried messaging you on your talk page but you never replied, you simply blanked again. Please help us, help you.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4 "Obviously, aqnother narcissistic self centered canadian from the anglo canadian community opf McGill believes that anything that has a french sound to it should not be referenced on wikipedia or associated with canada." You're wasting your time. Boomer Vial<sup>Be ready to fight the horde! • Contribs</sup> 00:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think I need to step in here and explain some things to Denys Picard directly.

Denys Picard - To answer your first question: Yes. When somebody begins repeatedly blanking large sections of an article, with no edit summary, no response to messages, and they re-instate their edits repeatedly after someone reverts it - these are edits that would absolutely be interpreted and handled as vandalism. We obviously know now that your intention wasn't to vandalize, but it would be completely reasonable and acceptable for any recent changes patroller to handle those edits you made like vandalism, and to revert them and ask you to stop. Blanking sections and articles is a fairly common thing for vandal users to do in order to be disruptive, so it's not out of the line to think that your blanking was vandalism.

Aside from that, it looks like we have a few things I need to explain to you. Wikipedia's primary goal is to create and maintain neutral articles and content that's accurate and free to access everywhere. A concept we take seriously here is how we write and word articles to reflect a neutral point of view. You're editing pages of article subjects that are closely related to you - this is not a behavior that the community deems acceptable, and it's not okay for you to continue doing this after you've been talked to about it. From the very short time that you've been an editor here, you've not only caused disruption at this article and to where you were close to being blocked, you're now attacking other editors here and accusing them of personal things. I understand that you're new and that you don't know all of the rules on Wikipedia, that's fine and I can help you with that. But what you absolutely will not do is behave in an uncivil manner toward other people here, make accusations you cannot prove, and create a combative discussion or editing environment.

If you'd like me to assist you and explain Wikipedia's policies, let me know and I'll be happy to do so. But if you continue behaving in an uncivil nature, or if you make any more accusations or personal attacks toward others here, you will be shown the exit door and I will block you. That temperament stops now... please. Now what we've cleared a few things up, would you like me to assist you and explain some Wikipedia policies with you? :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 01:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I put a short semi on the article. Mr. Picard is a couple days from being autoconfirmed so that should force a pause to listen. --NeilN <sup>talk to me</sup> 02:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

NeilN - Thank you for doing that :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

A Little Curious TV show editor won't stop disruptive editing

Hi, I see that a week ago you blocked the page but unfortunately, that hasn't stopped the editor from putting fake info on the show. Right now I reverted back to it's original state but I'm afraid he/she is going to change it back. If you could keep an eye on the editor that would be great. And I hope I'm not coming off rude or tattle-tailing. I'm just trying to help out.2601:246:4180:6FA5:5178:9049:A4D0:F301 (talk) 02:20, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

The semi protection has been re-applied and extended. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 02:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Watchlisted. SQL<sup>Query me!</sup> 02:36, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

question

Hi, do I need an admin to enable autowikibrowser? (like I would pending, rollback, reviewer, patroller etc? I don't have those either) Cheers - <sup>the</sup>WOLFchild 05:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thewolfchild - Approved. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 05:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Should I give those others tools a go? Would they make vandal-fighting easier or help clear any backlogs? - <sup>the</sup>WOLFchild 06:27, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure, why not? They're helpful tools - just use them wisely and properly of course ;-). Here you go -- I've added rollback and pending changes reviewer to your account. If you find that you'd rather have them turned off, just let me know. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 06:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Cool beams. I'll read up on them tomorrow and try them out. Thanks - <sup>the</sup>WOLFchild 06:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey Thewolfchild, just checking in - do you have any questions about these user rights? How've they been treating you? :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:21, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the follow-up. Don't have any questions as of yet, (but I'm sure will soon enough). It's good to know you're here, if needed. Hope all is well with you. Cheers - <sup>the</sup>WOLFchild 04:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Thewolfchild - You bet; always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 07:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Personal Attack on Talk:Kievan Rus'

I gave multiple reasons why Poland should be included as part of Kievan Rus' User:Iryna Harpy responded by saying Your arguments are as obtuse as they could possibly get... Which adds nothing to the discussion and sounds like a personal attack. On top of that my comment wasn't even directed at her. I would leave a warning on this persons talk page, but I am afraid that might escalate things and she is more likely to listen to you considering you are an admin and have better experience with this than I.--75.66.124.118 (talk) 08:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your thoughts and concerns! The wording that Iryna Harpy used in her response to you, while it could understandably be interpreted as a "personal attack", wasn't meant in any way to be presented or communicated as such. She was simply trying to explain that your arguments are supporting the addition of content that may be undue weight to the article. "Due and undue weight" in articles is a subsection of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. It exists in order to make sure that any content that represents or adds in-depth analysis of groups, thoughts, arguments, or viewpoints are proportional to the relevance, size, and impact on the article subject. A silly but easy example is this: if there exists a group of 20 people that want to put George Washington's remains into a rocket and launch it toward Mars, we wouldn't add a section about them on George Washington's article. That would be ridiculous and silly (of course). Iryna Harpy's response was simply trying to convey that thought. I'm happy that you responded to her with your thoughts and that you remained calm throughout the discussion - you simply explained that you took her response as a personal attack. While I don't agree that it was, it was still good that you used your words and tried to calmly explain and seek clarification. Her response back to your reply may not have been what you anticipated, but I believe that she was being truthful and genuine when she responds that she was simply providing "an observation on the calibre of arguments presented". Since this was not a personal attack and (in my opinion) a situation where Iryna Harpy may just need to take note on how her responses are presented so they don't become misinterpreted as something different, I'm not going to warn her - that's way over the top and absolutely unnecessary. I have, however, pinged her in my response here so that she is aware of my response, opinion, and what I said so that she's aware. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. I wish you happy editing and that your discussion ends peacefully and with the satisfaction of all editors involved. Good luck to you :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. You are right it wasn't really a personal attack. The person came off as having a bad temper, so that might have been why I over reacted and assumed She/he was insulting me.--75.66.124.118 (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

It happens... no big deal. This is a common disadvantage and consequence of text-based communication: emphasis, attitude, feelings, intent, implications, translations, you name it - can be misinterpreted and taken by another user to be something different than what was originally meant. The important thing to do in these situations is exactly what you did - kindly and respectfully reply, state how you took their statement to mean, ask for clarification, and above all else: you definitely need to assume good faith :-). Please let me know if I can help you with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so. Again, I wish you well and that your discussion reaches a peaceful close :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 08:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, you should consider creating an account! Doing so has many benefits that come with using one, and it would be very useful for you to have one! You're of course never required to do so, but I figured I'd respond and encourage you to do so if you haven't thought about it already :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 08:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Anti - Vandalism Perms

Hello,

I am new to the wiki, but not to wiki making. I was wishing to edit more news on the C8 Corvette, in Chevrolet Corvette. Then, I noticed it was semi-protected to Vandalism. I hope I wasn't the cause of this Vandalism, and If I was. I deeply apologize, but I don't think I've done anything disruptive to the Wikipedia.

If I'm right, May I have permissions to still edit that page, even with it semi-protected? If I make any mistakes, will the team please notify me?

Thanks, ~~JellyNinja~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by JellyNinjaWiki (talk • contribs) 15:44, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

JellyNinjaWiki - Nope, it wasn't you :-). The page was protected due to being the subject of frequent vandalism by multiple IP addresses and user accounts. ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

89.91.144.191

Hello the user that you blocked a few days ago is continuing to post song lyrics and non-free images to their talk page. Could you deal with them again? Sakura Cartelet<sup>Talk</sup> 16:55, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Another admin has taken care of the user so I guess everything's resolved? Sakura Cartelet<sup>Talk</sup> 19:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sakura Cartelet! I apologize for the delay responding to your message here - I've been busy over the last two weeks and I'm just now getting caught up with all of my Wiki messages and emails :-). It looks like the IP address has been blocked until February 12, so things should be resolved at least for the time being. If things continue after the IP's block expires, let me know and I'll be happy to take a look. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:47, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Cabbage vandalism

Please have a look at the recent history of vandalism here. Seems like a temporary block is in order for user Greekfire21. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zefr! Thanks for the message with the heads up about that article and that user. I apologize for the delay responding to you - I've been busy lately and I'm just now getting caught up with my messages and emails here. The user has been blocked, so that's been resolved :-). If you see any more vandalism or tomfooleries, I recommend that you file a report at AIV since that page is watched by many admins. However, if you'd like to also let me know here, I'm fine with that as well ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:51, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hello! You seem a interesting guy. Can we talk anything? LoveVanPersie (talk) 21:11, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

LoveVanPersie - I'm an "interesting guy", huh? For some strange reason (lol) I get that a lot from people here ;-). I'm not sure what you mean by "talk anything", but if you have questions, need help with anything, etc - I'll be happy to do so. Just let me know. Cheers - ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Indefinite IP block

I was doing some reading and noticed that you indefinitely blocked an IP a few days ago after it blanked its talkpage. I think your intention was just to revoke talk page access, so I've removed the block, but do let me know if it was indeed intentional and I've overstepped. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 23:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Amorymeltzer - OH JOY! WONDERFUL! I love it when I make stupid bonehead mistakes like that... lol. Thanks for fixing that for me and for giving me a heads up - I appreciate that a lot. I must've had a nice "slip of the finger" when I was yanking talk page access away (as you put it). Oh well, life moves on ;-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 04:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Help with page protection or warning

Can you or an administrator please please check if the La Luna Sangre Main page and List of character pages need page protection from edit warring and vandalism? I’m not sure what 120.28.150.50 or 222.127.147.201 are up to but the user has been editing nonsense into the article. Either user is practicing or intentionally entering gibberish but it’s destroying the article. Thank you for your help. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Luna_Sangre and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_La_Luna_Sangre_characters. Your assistance will be much appreciated.Pipamidalton (talk) 20:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC) Pipamidalton (talk) 20:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pipamidalton! Thanks for the message and for the heads up about these articles and the IP addresses you're observing (the IP I believe you meant to list above was 120.28.152.50). I'm not sure what they were up to either... definitely an interesting possible correlation given the two articles and their relevance to one another, as well as the timeline both IPs were modifying them... weird. It looks like the edits from both IPs have stopped on those pages since then and I'm not seeing any disruption on either article afterwards, so I'm going to hold off on doing anything as of right now. However, if you see that either IP returns to any more shenanigans or if you see either of those articles getting hit up with frequent vandalism, please don't hesitate to report the issues to AIV and RFPP so an admin can take a look, or leave me a message here (the first choices are obviously preferred as many admins watch both pages). Thanks again for letting me know. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~<sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 05:04, 9 February 2018 (UTC)