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Panjabi

Hi Filpro,

We should probably have a discussion on what the scope of "Punjabi language" should be. The Ethnologue distinction between East and West is spurious: it's based on the national boundary rather than dialect boundaries, and is not supported by the literature. But there is a real question over whether Hindko, Saraiki and the like should be included under Panjabi. Whatever we decide (and I don't really care: I have no stake in this), the population should match the "dialects" should match the map should match the ISO and Glottolog codes. Per the classification used by Glottolog, taken from Masica (1993), the clade that includes Punjabi proper and Lahnda also includes Sindhi and Sansi, which latter we currently have as a Hindi language. So there can be no broad Punjabi without Sindhi being a Panjabi "dialect". Of course, we don't need to follow Masica, though he is well respected.

Last time I cleaned up all the languages of India it was with Ethnologue as a source. I think it would probably be a good idea to start moving over to Glottolog, since they're clear where they get their classifications, I just haven't gotten to it. And of course we don't have to follow either if we think we have a better source. — kwami (talk) 19:55, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey kwami,

I am quite unclear on the difference between Punjabi and Lahnda. According to Ethnologue, Lahnda appears to be a macro-language that comprises of many Punjabi dialects as well as Sindhi ones. Hindko and Saraiki used to be counted by the Government of Pakistan as dialects of Punjabi until they were separated as individual languages in a certain census, however Ethnologue counts them as a part of the Western Punjabi (Lahnda) macro-language which makes it unclear whether they are part of the Punjabi language or Sindhi language. Personally, I would consider them Punjabi.

Punjabi is relatively understandable throughout the Punjabi speakers of different dialects in the Punjab region the same way English is understandable in the Texas and East coast of the US. Heck, Hindustani speakers can grasp Punjabi with ease and this is visible in Delhi. Categorizing Lahnda as a macro language like Chinese or Arabic is absurd in my opinion.

Glottolog has a different way of grouping Indian languages like Sindhi and Punjabi and I'm not sure it would be best to switch over.

I think it's best to take the middle path. Punjabi seems to be the official language in Punjab, Pakistan and in modern day Punjab, India while Hindko and Saraiki should be included as dialects of Punjabi while Sindhi dialects of should be of the Sindhi language. I don't think Lahnda is real and is more of political thing and no one in Pakistan (Punjab or Sindh) would ever say they spoke "Lahnda" or Western Punjabi, as I think it's merely a modern term used to specifically classify different dialects separate from ones in the Republic of India. For example a popular YouTube channel used the word "Lahnda" in a video when talking about the most spoken languages in the world and the Punjabis I know that watched the video asked "what the hell is that"? These terms are catching on quickly in the media and I think it is best to kill it before it makes some mess and there is a new province in Pakistan called "Lahndastan" or something.

Also, I don't see a relation between Hindko (spoken in North Punjab and South Khyber) and Sindhi. Check this out: Saraikistan. There seems to be a provincial separatist movement of the Southern Punjab people, which is a relatively modern thing that never existed before and only recently was such an identity created.

I think Sansi should still be classified as a Hindi language mainly because it's closer to Rajasthani and has a lot influence mainly from Sindhi as well as bit of Punjabi.

There is also a lot of language vs. dialect conflict here, for example I would consider Haryanvi a dialect of Hindi, not Modern Standard Hindi (Hindustani), but Hindi in the sense of Hindi (central zone) or maybe even all the Hindi belt varieties combined together.

We just need to back everything up with reliable sources. What do you say?Filpro (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey. First, a "macrolanguage" is just a bureaucratic convenience for the ISO. It's not a linguistic concept outside Ethnologue. I would ignore it.

Lahnda--Panjabi is not Pakistan--India. (Eastern) Panjabi is spoken in both countries. Ethnologue uses "Eastern" Panjabi for India and "Western" Panjabi for Pakistan, which really confuses things. Again, Ethnologue is not the place to go for classification. The Western Panjabi in the linguistic lit is a synonym of Lahnda, as opposed to the Eastern Panjabi spoken in both India and Pakistan. Lahnda is not politically motivated: it is linguistically motivated, and the reason is seems odd to Panjabis is that it is not based on ethnic identity, but purely on isoglosses. Lahnda is Hindko and Saraiki and a few other western dialects. These are lects with recent movement toward standardization separate from Panjabi proper, though without any concept of belonging together as Lahnda. In other words, Eastern Panjabi is not Indian Panjabi, but rather Panjabi proper (Indian and Pakistani standard) as opposed to the more divergent western dialects, which constitute Western Panjabi/Lahnda. As for mutual intelligibility, yeah, you could probably argue that Panjabi is a dialect of Hindi, but that's not going to get any traction! Masica evidently sees Panjabi proper and Hindko/Saraiki as no closer to each other than they are to Sindhi. All three are part of a dialect continuum, and there are few clear boundaries. Masica BTW is very well received, though there are other good sources as well. — kwami (talk) 02:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Masica sounds really good actually. "This has caught on only among

linguists (who later began to prefer the feminine form Lahndi, matching the usual

names of Indo-Aryan languages); it has no currency among the speakers themselves.

It will accordingly be used here - for convenience , as there is no ready

substitute - always in quotes." in pg 18 of the indo- aryan languages, they know what they are talking about

Yes they do. And these are linguistic articles on WP, and so follow such linguistic sources. (Though the scare quotes are a bit much: they are generally not used.) — kwami (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

state of India

Hi, don't remove word "state of India" from infobox of various states.--Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  00:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Human3015. I see no reason why it should be there. Saying "state of India" contradicts with many of the official names of the states. Example, Haryana is officially the "State of Haryana" or simply just Haryana but it is unfit calling the state in the infobox the "State of India". Anyways, the lead makes it clear that they part of India. Filpro (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I think you should take this issue to WT:IN. Community consensus is needed for such type of changes.--Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  00:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

I reverted your edits that doesn't mean that I'm discouraging you, you are always welcome to do positive contribution, but any change in infobox should be discussed, because you are doing that change in all states of India, so it should be discussed at WT:IN once. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  01:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thanks.Filpro (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

• WT:IN is a board dedicated to discussion on India related topics. If you have any question regarding any India related topic then you can ask it on WT:IN. Click on WT:IN, start a new discussion and ask question. You can also reply to other's questions if you know answer. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  01:35, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Petlawad

Hello. Filpro.
I presume that this edit reverting me was to fix the 'cite error' my edit caused?

Better to fix the error, (which was my fault) if you can, as the 'fix' only required the adding of a 'closing' </ref>, as the message said: "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref>", to the end of the reference. See here.

No worries though, (though I see you already know that!) I have restored my edit with the error fixed.

As a secondary issue, if you revert someone like me (an 'experienced' editor, actually editing WP since 2009) or anyone for that matter, you should say why in an edit summary. Alternatively you could, depending on how bad the error is, just politely tell the editor they've 'stuffed up'. Fixing your own errors is very educational! Regards, 220 of ^Borg 03:03, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that. I was worried I would mess it up even more. I'll make sure to fix it next time! Thanks.Filpro (talk) 03:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, you are right there. My edit also caused the next section and hence the table of contents to 'disappear', though the text was still there. Missing, malformed or mis-placed ref tags can cause a lot of trouble. I occasionally come across pages that have large parts 'invisible' to readers, IIRC, because a single / (slash) is missing

If the problem is bad enough, then a revert, and advising the editor concerned is probably the safest action. The edit can usually be reverted back to when the problem is located, and fixed, in one edit.

• I gave an "Only warning" to that IP messing about at Hindi too.[1]. Those edits appear to have come from Shiv Nadar University, which I have also placed a notice about on the IPs' talk-page. 220 of ^Borg 07:36, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

September 2015

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Hindi map

Hi Filpro,

Could you add "(Hindi)" to Pahari on this map? (Also, maybe move it underneath Central Zone so it's more legible.)

Thanks — kwami (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing!Filpro (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Is this okay?

Undue?

Maybe you could explain what this edit summary meant. It's utterly vague and I suggest you discontinue using such misleading and meaningless edit summaries the next time. Thanks, ƬheStrikeΣagle 16:21, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, there's already too many tables and the content you added isn't any unique.The same data is listed in the other table so I see no valid reason for this one.Filpro (talk) 20:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

The table I've added isn't unique but is surely the most viewed and most searched table as it lists the recent most year (2014). No one would like to search the historical data in the table below to find the data of the recent most year. If you think there are too many tables, I suggest you remove the 2014 section from the below table. ƬheStrikeΣagle 14:03, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Check Karnataka government statistics.

You should check Karnataka government statistics about Bangalore's per capita rather than giving wrong information. Per capita of Bangalore is shown much less than it originally is. Don't edit this frequently with wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.134.8.24 (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

We are only using one source to keep it consistent with the other cities.Filpro (talk) 04:06, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that the information provided by brookings report is completely wrong. That is why we have another Karnataka government statistics which is completely acceptable rather than report from a private institute in a foreign county. Here, there is a problem in all other cities per capita. In the report state per capita is shown as cities per capita. Brookings report is an absolute rubbish. We cannot even consider their cheap quality research and ignorant attitude while making reports. All other cities per capita should be revised and should be shown correctly from the respective state government reports. That will be true. For Karnataka it is already there. For all other states we should search it and find it out. Please don't change Bnagalores report as it is almost correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.117.39.156 (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC) 

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Hi, I see you are doing good work in terms of reverting vandalism and disruptive editing. I don't know if you know about WP:Twinkle. If you have not activate your Twinkle option then you can do that, it makes reverting very easily, you can also restore last better version if there are multiple disruptive edits or you can welcome or warn new users too. You can mark any page for deletion etc. To activate Twinkle you click on "preferences" which is on your right upper side, then click on "gadgets" then you can see option "Twinkle" in "Browsing" section. Tick mark that option and save the changes. --Human3015^TALK  00:15, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Filpro (talk) 00:56, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

WP:VPP#ITN system on deaths

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WP:VPP#Titles of articles about ethnic groups of the United States

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Kakakhel

Thank you for correcting my mistake at the Kakakhel disambiguation page. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 23:24, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

No problem! Filpro (talk) 23:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Facts should be accepted

Why cant you accept the fact that Bangalore has higher per capita than Delhi. Bangalore's 2012 per capita is much higher than Delhi's 2014 per capita. I have authentic information from correct sources. I think you are from Delhi and want to show it as having the highest figures. But truth is different and rather than accepting the fact you are changing the figures repeatedly. I also know to change Delhi's many figures and facts to a much lower level. But I am not doing that because it should be correct. If you continuously play with Bangalore's figures I will also start playing. If so no one can do anything. Anyone can make any amount of usernames and get any amount of IP's. So please show respect to others and other cities too rather than repeatedly putting wrong figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samforprospe (talk • contribs) 01:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

There is no rule in wiki that says only one reference should be given. In Wikipedia majority of the articles uses many reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samforprospe (talk • contribs) 12:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Improperly explained reversion

Hi there, your revert here was improperly explained and has been undone. The changes I made were adequately referenced. Care to explain? Feel free to reply here. I've added your talk page to my watchlist. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was trying to revert another's edits and I wasn't too sure about the other edits so I just reverted the ones in between. I'm new to WP:TW, so that can explain something. Will be more careful next time. Filpro (talk) 04:35, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate the explanation, thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, this is more my fault for misinterpretation. Yes, you reverted past my edits, which, as I see now, was a mistake, and that sometimes happens in good faith when we're reverting past disruption. I saw the Twinkle edit summary "Reverted to revision 686816856 by Bhuvannalla", and when I looked in the edit summary, I erroneously thought it was the edit by Bhuvannalla right before mine, which would have suggested that you were reverting my edits, when in fact you were reverting to a Bhuvannalla version a few edits earlier. So, I too must apologize. Sorry! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:47, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Nepal and Bhutan

See [2]. You are making the article contradict itself. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The content has since been removed as the sources do not say as such. Filpro (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem. ;) Please see the talk page on the rest of the discussion. Filpro (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Filpro, do you really want to say that Nepal and Bhutan were Princely States because a source does not say they weren't? I wish you great success with that. And of course also with the claim that Nepal was a French protectorate between 1950 and 1952. No sources denying that either. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Your Edits on Punjabis

Your edits on Punjabis have been reverted. This is your final warning. Please do not persist.

You are engaging in Unexplained content removal via COI as "Filpro". You are once again engaging in POV pushing see the TP for a history of this conflict. You were engaged in this previously, you were solicited for constructive feedback and you refused. If you persist, I will request protection of Punjabis again. Vdr11 (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't engaged in this previously as you have stated. If you recall the last time, I was reverting edits and one edit by a vandal had slipped through my rollbacks. What constrictive feedback? Come out of your hole and speak. Filpro (talk) 19:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I have re-read the talk page. It seems quiet clearly you are against the inclusion of any Punjabi Bollywood actor and feel that "there are too many" Indian Punjabis. POV or not there is definately the hint of nationalism in your in Punjabi-related articles.Filpro (talk) 20:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Excuse me? Looks like your fake good faith persona has finally shown through. There was no mention of there being "too many" Indians, there was clear mention of you and other editors intentionally removing pictures of West Punjabis. You are again engaged in this behaviour. Vdr11 (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• You are more than welcome to add pictures of Bollywood Stars, but you cannot do it at the expense of removing pictures of West Punjabis. You can replace pictures of Indian Punjabis with those of Bollywood stars as you wish, as this was the consensus reached during the last editing war you engaged in. Vdr11 (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing edits such as this and this are non-POV pushing and vandalism? Heck your very first edits on the article were to remove reputable Punjabis and change population figures, I wasn't trying to undo your edit but instead I was removing the bloated figure of a vandal and you undid my edit which I had replaced with the same figure and cited calculations I produced. I'm willing to end this here but I didn't realise the cause of this conflict was because of an editor not liking West Punjabis being removed. Thanks.Filpro (talk) 20:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC).

• The edits you listed this and this was me reverting perceived vandalism of population figures and secondly the picture of Faiz Ahmad being removed by you for the picture of the other personality. This was the issue at hand. Regardless, protection has been requested from administrators. Also, please do not lay accusations of sock-puppetry unless you have confirmed this to be true. Vdr11 (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I was referring to User:Hahun, the creator of the original rfc. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 21:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I understand what you meant now. Thank you for your clarification. Vdr11 (talk) 22:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

A suggestion. This seems like a good topic for WP:INDOPAK. If you need help resolving issues, please request help on its talk page. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 23:12, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Excuse me for having hit your two edits here as well in the revert. Edit; oh, I see he's a CU blocked sock as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

No worries and thanks for notifying me. ;) Filpro (talk) 00:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Numerals confusion

Hi, thanks for reverting the edit to Arabic numerals page. However, that is the easy part. You seem to have made similar changes to other pages. Plus there is the image file itself, which is being imported into several pages. Can you check all of them and take care of corrections? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

17:51, 28 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+17)‎ . . Gurmukhi numerals ‎ (Persian dab) (current) [rollback: 1 edit] [rollback] [vandalism]
00:58, 28 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1,232)‎ . . Talk:Arabic numerals ‎ (→‎Eastern and Western)
20:37, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-1,036)‎ . . Arabic numerals ‎ (Undid revision 697003884 by Aua (talk) It wasn't removed for just any reason. That content has nothing to do with the article "Arabic numerals". It belongs in 0 (number)#History)
20:11, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-11)‎ . . Template:Numeral systems ‎ (new article created)
20:10, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m Gurmukhi numerals ‎ (moved ref)
20:09, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+2,620)‎ . . N Gurmukhi numerals ‎ (page creation)
19:14, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Indian numerals ‎ (→‎Other Indian languages: correct term) (current) [rollback: 2 edits] [rollback] [vandalism]
19:12, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-11)‎ . . Indian numerals ‎ (→‎Other Indian languages: clean up)
19:10, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . m Gurmukhī alphabet ‎ (→‎Numerals) (current) [rollback: 1 edit] [rollback] [vandalism]
19:09, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-45)‎ . . Eastern Arabic numerals ‎ (there isn't a roman clock "style")
19:06, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-15)‎ . . m Arabic numerals ‎ (→‎Evolution of symbols)
19:05, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+37)‎ . . N Western Arabic–Indic numerals ‎ (redirect) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
19:04, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+117)‎ . . Arabic numerals ‎ (→‎Evolution of symbols: add related image)
18:57, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+88)‎ . . Hindu–Arabic numeral system ‎ (reword and related image) (current) [rollback: 1 edit] [rollback] [vandalism]
18:56, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+37)‎ . . N Western Arabic-Indic numerals ‎ (redirect) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
18:55, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+37)‎ . . N Western Arabic-Indic ‎ (redirect) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
18:44, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+25)‎ . . Hindu–Arabic numeral system ‎ (the system is almost always referred to as such in our rs but it is definitely common today for them to be called the "Hindu-Arabic numeral system")
18:31, 27 December 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-44)‎ . . Template:Numeral systems ‎ (clean up)

Okay. Thanks for identifying the specific edits. Filpro (talk) 20:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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When to use {{db-move}} and when to request a move

Hey there, I was going over your most recently submitted uncontroversial technical move requests and all of them did not need to be there. When you find a page you want to move and you get an error saying the page already exists, check if it is a redirect, if so, do not post an uncontroversial technical move request and instead use {{db-move}} on the redirect page. I hope this helps; if I wasn't clear enough or you have other questions, don't hesitate to reply under this message. Thank you and happy Wikipedia-ing! —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 20:38, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Your assistance is greatly appreciated. :) Filpro (talk) 20:53, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

June 2016

Your insertion in the UNSC Reform page is wrong. Nearly every year there is a resolution on the Question of Equitable Representation in and Increase in the Membership of the Security Council, so this is nothing new. There is no initiative for the resolution to expand membership to be tabled, much less voted on, as is intimated by your addition. - UN practitioner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zasha Berdeen (talk • contribs) 07:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

Hello. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Pseudo-secularism without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I believe that adding "In the Indian context" is rather unnecessary. Why not add "In the Western context" for all other Wikipedia articles? Filpro (talk) 23:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Please see MOS:BEGIN. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. Filpro (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Your edit

Hey Filpro. Recently you edited an article Katrina Kaif saying the lead is not dictated by nationality. From Selena Gomez to every other white American actor/actress, they are Italian-American or Swedish American or whatever. But their lead mentions what their nationality/passport does. Because originally they are not even Americans. Therefore, your edit has been removed. Qualitative reasons apart, you can read some similar articles to understand how the lead is written for actors. If you think I made some mistake, please reply here or on my talk page. Thanks.

P.S.- Indian enthnicity/nationality is not a one race- you are correct. It is a mixture of many races that thrive in the subcontinent. Officially, they are not recognized only due to the potential identity conflicts. For example- ASI, ANI Mousanonyy (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Filpro, interestingly, I just found out that there is no proof her father was a Kashmiri. Only she has claimed it. You can read it in the same article. For a proof, she just says "anyone can see I am not completely Caucasian". I would like to request you to pay attention the what I mentioned before about similar pages (American actors/actresses). Since the content is well-cited, in order to remove it, there should be consensus. Thanks. I hope you will discuss it on the talk page of the article with other wikipedians, or here. For your support, I have started a discussion on the talk page. You are invited to join in. Mousanonyy (talk) 20:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Kultar

Hello Filpro,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Kultar for deletion, because it doesn't seem to have any encyclopedic content.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Jodamaster (talk) 04:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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EngvarB

You appear to have gone on an ill-informed spree replacing {{EngvarB}} with {{use Pakistani English}} etc. I think you're going to have to self-revert the lot, sorry: please read the documentation at {{EngvarB}}. - Sitush (talk) 02:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done. I think you meant Indian English. What does EngvarBritish have to do with India-related articles given the fact that it is only used when a specific variety cannot be identified (which definitely isn't the case)? Filpro (talk) 22:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

You seem not to have read things properly. I quote from the template documentation and ask you yet again to self-revert: to denote articles that have non-specific spelling that cannot be identified as American English or Canadian English spelling. The documentation also specifically notes EngvarB as applying to Indian English. Don't bring nationalism into this, please. - Sitush (talk) 03:56, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ok, Filpro, have it your way. You're on thin ice and doubtless I'll keep an eye out. To clarify, you are supposed to know about WP:BRD and WP:EW by now. It would seem that you couldn't care less, despite past warnings. - Sitush (talk) 15:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Sitush is correct here. ENGVARB is a script marker which indicates, to ENGVARB automatic script, that the page should be checked for British spelling. The USE Template is only a note to editors as to what words/units/et. should be used. Your replacing of ENGVAR with USE is damaging to article maintenance and needs to be reverted. — kashmiri ^TALK 09:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

And to clarify further, British spelling is Indian spelling also. Indian English differs sometimes in word selection (cops is used in many newspapers, rather than police, for example) and it also differs in phrasing (it is often archaic British English phrasing, probably due to the colonial past). The script doesn't consider selection/phrasing issues. - Sitush (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I see that you are now using that script. Are you going to revert all of the mess you have created during the last few days? - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

 Will do. Filpro (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I didn't know that EngVarB did something. I will start adding it from now on. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Need to take that back. {{Use Indian English}} is also invoking the script. See Indus Valley Civilisation, for example. So no need to change it back, if that is we have asked Filpro to do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Do not edit war

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bengalis. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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A couple of suggestions for you

Firstly, today I checked East Punjab article and found out shocking edits like this one. On further checking your recent contributions, I found out that you have piled on similar meaningless statistics on many other articles, including Delhi. That's not the way to expand an article's section. Please read WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. If you really want to expand an article then please follow Manual of Style. Even looking at the FA articles like Tripura, Kolkata, Hyderabad, etc. will give you some idea regarding expanding an article.

Secondly, avoid using highly unreliable user-generated sources like you did here. Please read WP:USERGENERATED. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I highly doubt Demographics are "meaningless statistics". For example, I am not particularly fond of editing articles on sport personalities but one has a right to one's personal preferences. I will take a look at the FA articles and refrain from those highly unreliable user-generated sources. Thanks for your suggestions. Filpro (talk) 03:19, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: Nobody said that demographics are meaningless. I said that your way of presenting them in the relevant sections is against the wiki policies - read WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. You will have to follow the Manual of Style. And an easier option would be to go through FA articles mentioned by me. In one way or another, you will have to rectify the unintentional damage done by you to various articles' 'Demographics' section. - NitinMlk (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps moving them to a separate article may be beneficial? For example, moving the excessive religious and linguistic data of Delhi to Demographics of Delhi just like in the articles for most other major cities. Filpro (talk) 04:05, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: Even then you will have to use them moderately. That's because WP:NOTSTATSBOOK is applicable to all sort of article. In fact, if you want to create articles like 'Demographics of Delhi' then you will have do a bit of research. After that you will have to expand that article like any other keeping Manual of Style in mind. And that will be very tedious for you as of now. So, just change the 'Demographics' section by following the articles mentioned by me. - NitinMlk (talk) 04:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done Filpro (talk) 04:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: Thanks a lot! But I just noticed that you redirected Salwar article to Punjabi salwar. That's not correct because salwar is the most common term used in whole of North India & Pakistan. Check google hits - salwar has over 9 million while Punjabi salwar has less than 5 million. Please redirect Punjabi salwar to Salwar - instead of the other way around. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 04:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. I was confused by this a bit earlier and made incorrect moves. Earlier, I think I moved the page to Salwar (see talk page) under the assumption that it's the common name. I moved it back now because there are similar names at Shalwar kameez. I believe Salwar should redirect to Shalwar kameez, where all of the similar articles are listed. Filpro (talk) 04:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: The present Punjabi salwar article is actually a Salwar article. But excessive use of the word 'Punjabi' changed the outlook of it. So, I guess just redirect Punjabi salwar to Salwar. - NitinMlk (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: Just checked it. Thanks again. - NitinMlk (talk) 05:09, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I wrote the Salwar article about the Punjabi Salwar. That is why I started the article by writing the Punjabi Salwar. There are many types of Salwars. The Shalwar Kameez article is about the different types of Salwar. I would prefer the Salwar article to be Punjab specific. Other types are already detailed in the Shalwar Kameez article. Malikhpur (talk) 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Punjab edit-a-thon

Hello friend,
A multilingual national-level edit-a-thon is being conducted at this moment with an aim to create or improve Punjab-related articles. A community that will create or expand the most number of articles during this edit-a-thon contest will be awarded a trophy during WikiConference India 2016. Best contributors' recognition may also be considered. We need your help here. Please join right now as a participant and help your community.
Thanks and regards. --Tito Dutta (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Pretty interesting. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 20:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

• Ya it is. A more interesting thing is a large number of Punjab-related articles are being in other languages too. Kannada, Tamil are doing very well. En WP is on 4th spot most probably. --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Very good to hear! I wanted to know if there is currently an article on Punjab's drug epidemic and do you think that it would be worthwhile to create? (I'm thinking of doing that for the Punjab edit-a-thon). Should I think of something more cheerful? Thanks. Filpro (talk) 00:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Moving animal welfare pages

You recently moved several pages on "animal welfare in country X" to "animal welfare and rights in country X". Please can you direct me to the threads which gave consensus for these moves. DrChrissy ^(talk) 16:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

There is no such thread. You are free to move them back with reason if you feel the urgent need. Filpro (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

July 2016

This is a polite notification that I have posted a thread at WP:ANI about the recently moved animal welfare articles. I have posted there to get the pages moved back, not as a complaint about your behaviour. DrChrissy ^(talk) 17:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Please check Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents again. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 17:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting this out. DrChrissy ^(talk) 18:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Saraiki

I've seen you remove all articles from Category:Saraiki people and merge them into Category:Punjabi people. However, this is fundamentally and factually wrong, and ought to be reverted I believe. Saraiki people are counted as a separate ethnicity and are not Punjabis. There is extensive academic work and studies on this. In any case, your modification of the categories was unilateral and I see no consensus or discussion taking place beforehand. Please undo these changes for the time being. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 04:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The same applies to articles on Saraiki tribes. Please consult editors at WP:PAK before making mass edits like these. Mar4d (talk) 04:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Sources? Most academics agree that Saraiki is a dialect of Punjabi, just as Majhi or Pwadhi is. There are no such studies based on whether one ethnic group is actually an ethnic group. What's next, will Lahoris be a new ethnic group because you say so? Thanks. Filpro (talk) 05:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

That's a very oversimplified view. Academic opinion is not unanimous on this; most agree that Punjabi and Saraiki are related, but it is hogwash to claim that most academics treat Punjabi and Saraiki as one, or the latter is absolutely deemed subset of the former. There are cultural, linguistic, ethnic and historical differences that distinguish the Saraikis from the Punjabis in the north. It is like saying that Cornish people are English people. Saraikis are a recognised minority. The movement to carve out a separate province in southern Punjab is based on the emphasis of their separate ethno-linguistic identity. The census of Pakistan does not list Saraiki as a Punjabi dialect, but rather separately along with Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashto and Balochi. So we ought to base things on facts and tread this carefully - the way you're going about is the opposite of that. There's no grounds to merge Saraiki articles into Punjabi categories when we already have more relevant Saraiki categories catering to them - please see how WP:CAT works. Mar4d (talk) 05:10, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@Mar4d:, Wikipedia is not Pakistan and isn't restricted to their definitions of languages or dialects. We require WP:RSs here. You are free to provide one. Please gain consensus that agrees that Saraiki is different than Punjabi, or more specifically, Western Punjabi. Not only that but you also need to show ones that state they are also ethnically different. Years of ethno-linguistic research will not be undone based on some user's personal definition or even those to support Pakistan's politics. Until then, the changes will stand. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 05:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

No, the changes cannot stand. This claim is not backed by independent scholarly work on the Saraiki movement and language, thus it is WP:OR. Regardless of the merit of this discussion, please refer to WP:CAT for the time being, in particular WP:SUBCAT and WP:DIFFUSE. In very large categories such as Category:Punjabi people, articles are supposed to be re-grouped into more specific, relevant subcategories such as Category:Saraiki people rather than the opposite. Your changes do not align with subcategorisation and in any case go against WP:CAT. You've also not consulted WT:PAK before making these mass changes. So I'm afraid you'll have to revert your WP:OR changes. You are free to start a thread at WT:PAK and discuss this further. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 05:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@Mar4d:, "Category:Saraiki people" and "Category:Saraiki tribes" can only be added back on relevant articles with clear ethnic or on linguistic connections shown on their article or sources indicating as such. For example, many at Saraiki people did not satisfy this. Filpro (talk) 05:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

That would be the case with any article of course. However, your modifications from 'Saraiki' to 'Punjabi' were largely WP:OR and were made despite many of the articles not even remotely mentioning anything about Punjabi. And WP:SUBCAT dictates those articles are not meant to be under the Punjabi categories anyway. Punjab is home to many groups and not all of them are Punjabis. For example, the Saraiki-speaking Baloch of southern Punjab have nothing to do with Punjabi apart from that being the name of the region they live in. So the first thing you really need to do is revert the Punjabi categories and put the articles back in their appropriate subcategories. I would have reservations but would not be fully opposed to making Category:Saraiki people and Category:Saraiki tribes subcategories of Category:Punjabi people and Category:Punjabi tribes respectively. But the merging of Saraiki and Punjabi is a no-no and WP:OR oversimplification, as well as violating WP:SUBCAT. Mar4d (talk) 06:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

 Will do. Filpro (talk) 06:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Glad to hear that makes sense. Cheers. Mar4d (talk) 06:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Punjab edit-a-thon extends till 6 August

The Punjab edit-a-thon has been extended till 6 August 2016. You can create/expand articles till 6 August. Please let me know if you have questions and thanks once again. --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:22, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

August 2016

Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Deepak Obhrai has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. This edit removed content from the article using the edit summary "clean up". Per WP:CLEANUP, clean up deals with "page layout, wikification, spelling, grammar and typographical errors, tone, and sourcing." It is so broad that removing information, even if some of it was written in a POV manner, should be accompanied by a more specific summary. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Punjab edit-a-thon result

Thanks a lot for participating in the Punjab edit-a-thon. Please see result and share your opinion here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India/Events/Punjab_Edit-a-thon#Result. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:12, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit war at List of proposed state mergers

Hi Filpro. Please do not edit war. As you yourself pointed out by linking to WP:BRD, an edit that is reverted should be discussed, not reinstated. In the case of List of proposed state mergers, it is your responsibility to establish consensus to add the new material, and not Chipmunkdavis's to start a discussion. I invite you to remove the warning you placed on their talk page since, although it is true that both of you were engaged in an edit war, it is hardly justified that you would place that warning. Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 18:32, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Filpro (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Languages of India.svg

Hi. Have some queries about your upload File:Languages of India.svg. The 50th report NCLM where page 49 is cited as source happens to be a section on Uttar Pradesh. As you've mentioned "most commonly" spoken, I assume you've referred to each state's most spoken language per the report? If so, then it would be necessary to mention that in the file description and in captions. The first thing that comes to mind is where is Urdu or Tulu (both of which a clearly widely spoken if not by the majority). Perhaps some kind of note clarifying that?

PS: The format in the file description page is broken so the author, date and source field isn't visible. Maybe it must be corrected at its commons page. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I will fix it as soon as possible. Edit: Yes, I'll add a note for how the map only refers to the most commonly spoken language at the state-level and thus over- or underrepresents some languages. Filpro (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. You wrote "map" in the edit summary, which is clearly inadequate. You need to explain the rationale for your edit (which I don't think exists in this case anyway). Kautilya3 (talk) 22:46, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Ireland

Without any discussion you usurped the shortcut WP:IE from the project. This shortcut has been in use by the project for over 10 years and has always been the shortcut for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland as well as being the international abbreviation for Ireland. It is also in use by several pages. If you have any intention of trying to remove this again you need to discuss it first but I suspect you will get opposition to such a long standing use. Perhaps the fact that you have been reverted previously should provide you with some awareness this is a controversial edit. No one would ever consider using IL as an abbreviation for Ireland; it makes no sense. ww2censor (talk) 09:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:IE

What do you mean "refocused"? Where was this discussed? Where are the links to WP:IE that supposedly should be pointing at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English? Why has WikiProject Ireland not been notified that WP:IE is not to be its shortcut any more, and that WP:IL is to be in future? Has WikiProject Illinois been informed? You can't just change shortcuts that have been in use since 2004 because you think it would be nice! Try and think it through before you try something like that again. Scolaire (talk) 09:31, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Filpro you usurped the shortciut from the Illinois Project without any discussion either. It's all a mess and a very poor decision indeed. ww2censor (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I see you added it to your script so that it will say "per WP:IE" in edit summaries. Why not just say "per MOS:ENGVAR", which is the proper shortcut? It will take users to the exact same place, and it will be more, not less, meaningful. Scolaire (talk) 10:44, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 15:11, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, an experienced editor like you don't know about WP:CANVASS. If you want to make even, then post the same AFD notice at the talk page of Pakistani editors from WikiProject Pakistan. Then the votes of Indian editors, on whose talk page you notified, (their votes will be seen as neutral).

If you would have been clever, you could have emailed them, nobody could have seen, but that would be WP:STEALTH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblegum Rains (talk • contribs) 16:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't know about canvassing.This will not be repeated again and I will try to message some Pakistani editors. Filpro (talk) 16:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Filpro, please state this on the AfD page, below Mar4d's remark. Your actions are likely to jeopardise the fidelity of the AfD. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:45, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done Filpro (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Indian English

Hi Filpro, Could you please add "Indian English" template in the talk page of these India related articles here / here / here User:Sro23 has removed that template despite knowing those articles are all written in Indian English. Thanks--103.52.255.113 (talk) 05:59, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Meh, the user doesn't seem to be causing any harm. Filpro (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeah thats right but why he is removing "Indian English" template from talk page am unable to understand. I thought may be you could readd that template in articles which you think is appropriate. For eg "talk:indian navy" and "talk:indian air force" article u recently added Indian English template if u check history u will come to know that the template has been removed multiple times. So please go through the India relatd article from the list that i proved and check if "Indian English"template required or not. Thanks--103.42.173.155 (talk) 04:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Maghreb countries and French

Hi! I read this edit - while French may not be a "recognized national language" it is clearly de facto a significant language in the country (French language in Morocco). Next time for Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia please ensure it's listed in "other languages" WhisperToMe (talk) 04:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

 Sure. Thanks for notifying me. Filpro (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Language categories

Hi, I see that you're working on language categories so I thought I should bring it to your attention that it's usually best if the names of categories (like Category:Dialects of Punjabi) follow the name of the corresponding article (Punjabi dialects in this case). It's not just for consistency, article titles are usually subject to greater scrutiny than category names, and sometimes there are differences in meaning that might not be apparent at first sight. A "dialect of X" usually implies the position of "X" as an established standard prestigious language for these dialects; whereas "X dialect" has a broader scope and can also include macrolanguages/dialect clusters, where such a relationship might, or might not hold. – Uanfala (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree. "X dialect" would be much better. I will move the category soon. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

You're renaming it now? That's fast! Thank you for your understanding and diligence. – Uanfala (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Problamistic User Uanfala

It had been extended edit war by Uanfala [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] .

• Despite nearly 10 Wikipedians not agreeing with his views on talk pages of effected Talk pages.
• He cherry picks and tries to define dialects in to Language.
• Wikipedia is not a dictionary.
• Wikipedians can not cherry pick.
• Wikipedians can not impose a point a view.
• Wikipedians move with consensus.
• Wikipedia is an informational project. It can not misguide about language hierarchy.
• Only standardisation of few dialects can not make them language. However few follow this rule for defining Hindko Saraiki Potwari as language. He cherry pick those.
• Even those "few" along with "opposite others" have details whether "Explicit" or "Implicit" which demonstrate a common hierarchy Language Family: Indo European, Branch: Indo Iranian, Sub branch: Indo Aryan, Macro Language: Punjabi, Language: Western Punjabi, Dialects: Potwari Hindko Saraiki and many others, Sub dialects: North Hindko South Hindko.
• All such linguistic sources are mentioned / added by many wikipedians.
• If we accept Uanfala version of "cherry pick" and "Defining" then we will end up with a dilemma mentioned by User Flipro on this move request for 30 odd Punjabi dialects [8].

Time to report User Uanfala for topic ban for Cherry picking, Forum shoping, Edit warring, ignoring talk page consensus on western punjabi diffrent dialect talk pages. Please you being a registered senior editor start the proceeding for Topic Ban and violation of 3Rs. 39.60.232.41 (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)₯€₠€₯

The above message was also posted on the talk pages of several other users, and it has already received responses on Andy Wang's and on Paine Ellsworth's. – Uanfala (talk) 10:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Andaman and Nicobar Islands

Hi Filpro, Please explain why you deleted the name Andaman and Nicobar Islands in Bengali language? talk —Preceding undated comment added 15:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

It isn't an official language but you can add it back if it really matters. Filpro (talk) 20:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Western Punjabi

Hi, you're welcome to comment here: Talk:Western Punjabi#Proper topic of article. – Uanfala (talk) 12:15, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Asian Paints Ltd

Hi @Filpro:, @Jethwarp:, @Kailash29792:, @Dharmadhyaksha: I have created a new article Asian Paints Ltd, could pls help develop it as early as possible because one user wants to delete it why I don't know.--Shashipushpa (talk) 14:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

I think @Lourdes: has handled the situation. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes I did. Thanks. Lourdes 05:42, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks guys.--Shashipushpa (talk) 04:55, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Saraiki dialect of Punjabi Language

• User Uanfala is trying to declare different Punjabi dialect as separate language. [9]
• He Cherry picks, Forum shops, Edit wars and ignores talk page consensus on western Punjabi different dialect talk pages.
• An RFC Saraiki is a Language has just concluded with no consensus. So you being a senior registered editor please restore pre dispute version of Saraiki dialect article [10].
• Also please make corrections to Hindko dialect and Potwari-Pahari dialect in same fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.69.203 (talk) 17:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Reference errors on 24 November

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kashmir

Save kashmir save life Ashundayu (talk) 13:26, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

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Khanda

Sikh article, quote "The greater Punjab region is the historic homeland of the Sikhs, although significant communities exist around the world."

Khalistan article, quote "The Punjab region has been the traditional homeland for the Sikhs."

The Khanda is a symbol of the Sikh nation and Punjab, which represents the Punjabi and Sikh people and their homeland.

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Golden Temple

Hi, Filpro. I ran across this edit from last year, in which you wiped out the whole disambiguation page to create a redirect to Harmandir Sahib. You cited WP:COMMONNAME in the edit summary, but what you did was really a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, where the title of a dab page is turned into a redirect to the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Making a change like that is usually done after consensus is reached in a requested move discussion. Then the dab page is moved to the same title with "(disambiguation)" in the title (in this case, Golden Temple (disambiguation)).

Besides lack of consensus, the method you used didn't take the contents of the disambiguation page into account, leaving readers on their own to find similarly named articles. I have created the dab page again at Golden Temple (disambiguation), and placed a hatnote at Harmandir Sahib so people can find it if they want to. Please don't unilaterally decide on a primary topic or delete content without discussing it first. Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

December 2016

Hello, I'm FriyMan. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Marathi language have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. FriyMan (talk) 05:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

FriyMan, removing unsourced content isn't really considered as unconstructive editing. – Uanfala (talk) 11:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Uanfala, I am still learning, Thank you for your feedback. - FriyMan (talk) 11:29, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Infobox skyline

Hi again. What is your reasoning? I genuinely thought you made a mistake the last time to removed it because it was initially started by a sockpuppet said it's per MOS but clearly had no guidelines to cite--refer to his talk page. Now you're doing it again? You are an experienced editor. Why? I can't keep WP:AGFing you at this rate.

PS:"Nicknames" by definition a never official, they are sourced in Kerala, and this is the second time you're removing them too. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

List of countries by number of Internet users

Hello. Why did you revert all infos from 2015. to 2013? List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users

I made new stats from official ITU and World bank source, so why did you move back to old infos? Only thing which miss in table of 2015. is ranking by %, precisely % ranking should be corrected and I don't have time for that now. All other things are correct, so revert back to my infos.

There are official info for 2014., but I went immediately to 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.45.203.240 (talk) 11:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Saraiki RM

Hi, there's a move discussion at Talk:Saraiki dialect, where you're welcome to participate. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 02:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

India map reverseal

About your reversal, is there something wrong with the disputed areas color ? I propose that the displayed country controlled, but disputed, areas be colored with a darker tone of yellow. The displayed country claimed area, but not controlled, with a darker gray. The reason is that otherwise there are editors that delete the maps altogether, claiming that the maps are wrong, as here. Where is the discussion about map color ? Note that I haven't lost any SVG layer. --Robertiki (talk) 02:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Those editors may not have the full grasp of the de facto Kahsmir situation and I'd revert their edits and point them to various discussions on the maps. I don't think it puts a good view for the viewers if Jammu and Kashmir is randomly shaded yellow and unncessarily highlgihts the map and distracts from the whole point of these pushpin maps. (Example: If I'm looking at Gorakhpur Nuclear Power Plant at the article Nuclear power in India, it would be ridiculous for the state to be highlighted.) If India's Kashmir is shaded yellow, then China's and Pakistan's Kashmir should also be for their maps. Also, in your map, Siachen Glacier and Demjok are oddly left out when they should be shaded yellow. Filpro (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Is there a place discussing on the maps ? I understand that the highlights are distracting (I would agree), but those editors are sometimes really pesky, bothering the other editors to exhaustion with their whims, and deleting useful information. About the colors, my first choice of color are too bright, maybe something duller, less distracting, could do the job of keeping them quiet. And you are correct, all maps should reflect the same rules (China map would have Aksai Chin a different shade of yellow and Arunachal Pradesh a different shade of gray, and so on). And you are also correct, I forgot to place Siachen Glacier and Demjok. --Robertiki (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Have modified it with duller color. Could it be acceptable ? If it is ok, I would create China_location_map_disputed.svg with same rules. --Robertiki (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I think the latest one is good. Also don't forget to shade in Siachen and Demjok! Thanks. Filpro (talk) 21:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not too sure about the Kashmir-related discussions to point to and I don't think I can dig up any right now but you can also consult the India and Pakistan noticeboards. Filpro (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Done also for China] as you may verify here. Pakistan map] is not layered and needs more work. --Robertiki (talk) 01:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I made a few corrections to the maps and you can check them out. Please notify me if I made any mistakes. Filpro (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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