User talk:Accedie/Archive 2

THANK YOU!!

Dear Accedie,

Thank you SO MUCH for your welcome! It's the first one. I am LOVING wikipedia and being able to add stuff that I know. And I love your kitty! I do have a question. As I learn more, I've among other things tried to remove "peacock" type language from "Les Golden" and put in tons of references to verify information. Somebody put the "tag" on and I don't think it was fair or needed. How can it be removed?

If you want, you can email me directly at mstrebleclef1@yahoo.com (I'm a music teacher)

THANK YOU again.

DianeSteele (Real name. Not too imaginative I know!)

DianeSteele (talk) 19:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

So glad to hear you're enjoying the place, and sorry about all those nasty warning templates you're getting! They're way out of hand around here these days, unfortunately.

Personally, I don't really care if you're a PR agent or Les Golden himself, as long as you write good articles and adhere to Wikipedia's standards of neutrality. The most important thing to remember is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia – its purpose is to provide general reference material to a global audience of readers in a clear, concise, easy-to-read manner. When it comes to biographies of living people, there are a lot of extra rules to safeguard against self-promotion on the one extreme and libel on the other. Glancing over your article, it looks like the former might be perceived as the problem by whoever put that tag there. If I were you, I'd focus on honing in on the truly notable details and references (the ones that would be likely to interest that aforementioned wide global audience) and prune the ones that are extraneous. Wikipedians are extremely touchy about conflicts of interest, and I'd definitely advise you to be as up-front about it as possible if that's the case. If not, don't sweat the accusations and focus on doing good work :)

Unfortunately, I don't know much about the subject matter of your article, but you might be able to get good feedback from the members of WP:WikiProject Gambling; I'll tag the article with one of their templates to put it on their radar.

Let me know if you have any more questions and happy editing! --Accedie (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear Accedie: I think this is the way to respond...but I'm not sure. Thanks for your comments. I'm now BLUE! I read your contributions, and you too I guess have a Berkeley background. Small world. I also looked again at the tags at Les Golden. The first says it reads like an advertisement. But what is being sold? Advertising for what? I tried to remove all the peacock like adjectives and I think it's clean as far as neutral goes. There's a heck of a lot of bio pages out there that are far far far from neutral and aren't tagged. The second tag was for editing by a person (me I'm sure) who has a close connection. I met Les through the jazz program at Berkeley. Then a couple months ago after I reached a CERTAIN BIRTHDAY I started to look up old friends and found he'd become a gambling writer! I have no idea where this "PR agent" comes from. I've tried my best so far but "advertising" and "PR agent" just aren't fair descriptions. Should I try to contact an editor or supervisor or something to ask for a review to get the tags removed. I don't want to do it myself; I'd like a third unbiased person to evaluate, and then if there's still a problem I'm happy to fix it up. Thanks. Here goes the tildes...hope it works! DianeSteele (talk) 21:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Yep, this works :) There's also a talkback template, but I think it's kind of ugly.

The self-promotion thing is probably due to all the publications listed at the end of the article. Most of them come from the same journal and don't really belong in an encyclopedic entry. There are also way too many categories! To a Wikipedian eye, it looks like you're trying to cast your net wide to get anybody and everybody to come read the article (which you might very well be doing, cos Wikipedia's cool and your first article feels awesome to write, I totally understand!). Cut those down and then I or somebody else will take off that cleanup template. There are no "supervisors" here... only volunteers working on the encyclopedia together :) --Accedie (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

On 8/23/11 he agreed and suggested more than half of the categories that could be removed. This was done. Please let me know if this is sufficient. He did feel that many writers, actors, musicians, etc. generally list all of their contributions, films, and albums. Thanks for yours.

DianeSteele (talk) 01:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The reason that I referred to DianneSteele as a PR agent is because Les Golden called me on the phone (very unnerving) and told me that DianneSteele was a PR agent. I took him at his word. Turns out that was a mistake. DianneSteele is one of twelve socks of Drlesmgolden, all of which are now blocked. regards, Objective3000 (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Tsk tsk. Dirty socks. Oh well... at least the article was pretty entertaining :) --Accedie (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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