User talk:Al Ameer son/Archive 31

I moved your article

I moved Al Ameer son/Abd al-Malik ibn Umar ibn Marwan to User:Al Ameer son/Abd al-Malik ibn Umar ibn Marwan; from the title, it appeared you intended it for your userspace. Schazjmd (talk) 00:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Thank you for correcting that oversight! Al Ameer (talk) 01:06, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Islamic structures on the Temple Mount

Template:Islamic structures on the Temple Mount has been nominated for merging with Template:Temple Mount. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. PPEMES (talk) 09:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Khalid ibn al-Walid

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Umar II

Hi,

Reason for reverting my edits? — Hammad (Talk!) 14:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

It’s a fringe opinion that he was the “sixth Rashidun caliph” and the assertion is backed by sources that don’t appear strong, if they’re even considered Reliable sources at all. The whole matter about being the “fifth Rashidun caliph” in the first place is polemical and symbolic rather than actual of course, but this bit about being the “sixth” is something I haven’t seen in any of the reliable, scholarly sources, including those already cited in the article. —Al Ameer (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

What about fifth Rasihdun caliph Hasan? — Hammad (Talk!) 16:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hammad: That is a separate discussion. Again, Umar II wasn’t actually one of the so-called Rashidun caliphs; later (9th century and after) Sunni Muslim scholars bestowed this honor upon him for various reasons, distinguishing him from the other Umayyads (evidently they did not consider Hasan for whatever reason—I assume because of his short, relatively non-impactful term and the division of the community at the time of his accession). Most reliable sources state that Umar II was considered by Muslim scholars as the “fifth” Rashidun caliph and this is what the article reflects. I actually had been working on this article but only got as far as his actual biography until I got distracted. I have not yet gotten to his legacy, which is where views of Umar II by the Islamic scholarship, medieval and modern, could be discussed in more detail, provided reliable and *preferably* scholarly sources are cited. —Al Ameer (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

JazakAllahu Khaira, Thanks alot. — Hammad (Talk!) 01:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Maslama ibn Hisham

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Request

AsSalamu Alaekum

Can you translate this article.— Hammad (Talk!) 17:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Regrettably, I am not literate enough in Arabic to be translating. Learning slowly when I find time, but still at an elementary level. Also, it might be better to instead create lists of caliphal governors of the provinces rather than list all governors under certain groups of caliphs or dynasties. See List of caliphal governors of Medina, Arab Sind#Governors, List of rulers of Islamic Egypt. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Plague of Amwas

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The word "bull" and "revolution" in Arabic.

Hello. I came to your talk page for some help with Arabic. There's a site in the Galilee known as Tel Shor (Tel "bull" in Hebrew). The name was translated from Arabic: "Tel Thorah". The name appears in the 19th century PEF Survey of Palestine as ثورة, which I suppose should be pronounced "thwrah" and according to Google Translate, actually means "revolution", and not "bull" (ثور). The site was known by Jews as "Tel Thorah" until its name was changed probably by archaeologists who cited the PEF although I can't prove it. Anyway, did ثورة ever "bull"? Obviously it can't be a "female bull" cause there's no such thing.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 13:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bolter21 I’m afraid I’m not qualified to answer this—all I know is that the Arabic word bull is “tor” and I don’t believe there’s a feminine version of that word. Cow would be “baqarah”. @Makeandtoss: would you be able to offer some guidance here? —Al Ameer (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes Thawra definitely refers to a revolution and does not refer to a cow which is Baqara.. Thawra could be just a name that doesn't refer to anything and was mistranslated by Israelis. No results in Arabic on google on such a place at all. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

If it was mistranslated it was by the British in the 19th century. The Israelis just borrowed this translation, which sounds good with "shor" (Hebrew for bull). Thank you both. As there are no other sources on the name, I'll just not write the meaning of the name in the article.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Durrani Empire Map Issue

Hello Al Ameer son, I have seen you being an admin and would like to request your help in a issue. The map of the Durrani empire used to be a blue map which was drawn along modern borders and excluded territories towards some directions. I have created a new map based on the works of some authors, have included my sources for it as you can see here. However I got reverted by one user multiple times who originally created the "blue map", he reverts all my sources, says in the edit summary that the author seems to be low quality(his subjective opinion which he jumped to constantly) and adds a source from a tertiary source which is not even about the Durrani empire but just roughly mentions it. I have left a message on the Talk and I have left a message on the Talkpage of the user himself too after he first reverted me but he deleted my message on his talkpage. I never got an respond but instead another revert. I don't want this to end in an Edit war and want you to help us in this subject. Best regards Xerxes931

Off wiki canvassing

Anang192 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

It appears that Xerxes931 has canvassed Anang192 to vote! in the latest concern over the map at Talk:Durrani_Empire#RfC_about_the_map_of_the_Durrani_Empire. Anang192 has not edited on Wikipedia since December 2019(a response to Xerxes931 no less) and their first return edit is to vote for their friend from Discord? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I suggested some improvements (similar to your own actually), and he made them. I'm surprised that you've got nothing positive or encuraging to say to less active members trying to make article improvements. The old map looks dated, so I suggest you give some feedback on what changes you'd like to see to support the new map, anything else very much puts your POV into question. Best, Anang192 (talk) 12:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I am surprised that your first edit in 4 months is to support your friend. Odd how you inexplicably knew what was going on and where to go after so much time. If Xerxes wants to make maps and unilaterally edit war them into an article without discussion, then they should expect criticism.--Kansas Bear (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

FYI I don't know him personally, but he did reach out to me for feedback, which I gave. Given the quick succession of supportive comments for the old map it seems likely that HoI did the same. As per the Canvass article: "it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus." The reason I haven't edited in so long is mainly because of simple edits leading to these sort of strange conversations. Rather than finding common ground, people seem more keen on getting each other blocked or humiliated to obstruct each others edit warring. If you were sincere about your previous issues with the map, which we shared, then you should be just as ready I am to support the map now that those issues have been adressed. If you have since thought of other fair objections about the new map that cannot in any way be adressed by Xerxes, then state them I will support keeping the old map. Anang192 (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

• "..don't know him personally, but he did reach out to me for feedback, which I gave."

Thank you that is all the evidence I needed.

• "Given the quick succession of supportive comments for the old map it seems likely that HoI did the same."

Uh no. HoI does not like me. And I my first edit to the Durrani Empire was 22 October 2009. Epic fail on your part.

• "Rather than finding common ground, people seem more keen on getting each other blocked or humiliated to obstruct each others edit warring."

Xerxes931 was the one that initiated an edit war. Being reverted by; 12 April 2020,user:‎MB, 12 April 2020‎ Wikaviani, 13 April 2020‎ HistoryofIran, 17 April 2020‎ LouisAragon, 17 April 2020‎ HistoryofIran, and 17 April 2020‎ HistoryofIran. It was not until 17 April 2020‎, that Xerxes931 finally decided to discuss the issue(after being reverted by 4 different editors). Seems to me, he humiliated himself.

• "If you were sincere about your previous issues with the map, which we shared, then you should be just as ready I am to support the map now that those issues have been adressed."

That's rich. Now you are going to preach to me about sincerity? Pity you being canvassed to vote! for your friend did not cross that line. So after Xerxes931 edit wars with 4 other editors over the span of 5 days, canvasses you to vote for his map, fixes what he thinks are wrong, that we should agree with him? That is not how Wikipedia works.

And while you are preaching about canvassing you can read this Wikipedia:Canvassing#Inappropriate_notification. Notice the part that says Inappropriate followed by: "Biased", "Partisan", "Secret". Guess you missed that. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry Al Ameer son, I will not be crowding up your talk page anymore. Stay safe and healthy in these times. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

So correct me if I'm wrong "my friend", because of bad blood between the three of you and Xerxes over previous edit-warring, this is no longer about the content itself but the person making the content? Is this how Wikipedia works? Trying to denigrate me over nothing while suggesting that the neutrality of the four of you has been compromised over petty squabbles won't improve the article. I don't have time to mediate this issue (not that you'd trust my judgement anyway), but I'd hope any admin would agree with me that finding common ground by making Xerxes edit his newer map until the majority's pleased is what would be best for the article. This provided that Xerxes would be ready to do so. Your personal feelings towards each others Wikipedia conduct should be of less importance, and is something that I fortuantely have nothing to do with. Wish you a pleasant day. Anang192 (talk) 12:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Plague of Amwas

I'm wondering if you're still planning to further expand the article in the near future or if that is it for now? I'm thinking about translating it, but I'll wait if you're still going to update it. HaEr48 (talk) 03:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@HaEr48: I don’t plan any major expansion until I get hold of Lawrence Conrad’s 1981 dissertation The Plague in the Early Medieval Near East, which is the most comprehensive English-language source out there on the Plague of Amwas. That probably won’t be anytime soon, so I‘d say go for it ;) —Al Ameer (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Long overdue --evrik (talk) 15:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

A gift for a good friend

Hope you will find this useful. --AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 16:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@AhmadLX: Beautiful gift. Thank you my friend. I had been meaning to ask you if you could provide me this source. I hope to put it to good use ;) Al Ameer (talk) 21:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Hopla! I found a few errors in it and have fixed them now. Please check the updated version.

@AhmadLX: Thanks. Yea I had access from ipad but for some reason the link didn't work using the PC. All good now!

Article Request

write an article about Indian Blogger Jayasurya Mayilsamy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamilpedian (talk • contribs) 09:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Am I doing something wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Whywhenwhohow

The above user deleted my edits in 6 pages. He stated that it was NOT NEWS OR NO MEDICAL ADVICE. I have had made sure there were legit references to my contributions. Please guide me.

Can you see his edits? If not then here's one of the pages that was changed (View Edit History)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezafibrate

29/04/2020 TheNavedKhan (talk) 10:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mehmed Rashid Pasha

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In appreciation

		The Original Barnstar
		In appreciation of your work on Khalid ibn Walid. Just read it; stellar article and perhaps one of your finest efforts here. Seems pretty ready for FAC. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 03:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ahmad, your appreciation is especially esteemed. Definitely plan on FAC soon, but I was hoping to expand the Ridda wars section first with Elias Shoufani’s 1973 Al-Riddah and the Muslim conquest of Arabia but have not been able to access it. There are a couple of prose issues I want to fix also, and some or all of the maps need to be revised or replaced before I forward its candidacy. Might begin work on the maps next week. —Al Ameer (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I looked for the book where I normally get almost all kinds of books, but it wasn't there unfortunately. You can request a chapter at resource exchange. Best wishes. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 12:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@AhmadLX: That's what I'll do then. Cheers, --Al Ameer (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Plague of Amwas

On 10 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Plague of Amwas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the deaths of the leading Muslim commanders in Syria from the plague of Amwas in 639 paved the way for the establishment of the Umayyad Caliphate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Plague of Amwas. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Plague of Amwas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Your GA nomination of Mehmed Rashid Pasha

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Awana ibn al-Hakam

Hey Al ameer, I think you'll find this (Encylopedia of islam, ed. 3rd) article interesting. Regards -TheseusHeLl (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks TheseusHeLl. I came across this sometime ago but never got to using it. Now that you’ve brought it to my attention again I’ll try to mine it this week! Cheers Al Ameer (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Greetings Mr.Karmi (talk) 21:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Mr.Karmi, salaamat —Al Ameer (talk) 01:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For your top-notch articles on Levantine history and historical Arab figures/dynasties/tribes. TheseusHeLl (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the recognition TheseusHeLl, keep up the great work yourself! —Al Ameer (talk) 04:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi

You recently asked me to do something but I don't remember what or where exactly, sometime in April or May? Makeandtoss (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jordan#Amman Governorate vs Greater Amman Municipality. Just trying to sort out the confusion we have here (and my own confusion). We should continue discussion there. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Circassions in Jordan

Salam! I can review Template:Did you know nominations/Circassians in Jordan. The hook is "Circassian settlers in Jordan founded Amman in 1878", yet I don't find that exact line in the article. The article says that the Circassians settled in the vicinity of Amman, but that's not necessarily the same thing (Amman could already have existed at that time, for example). Or maybe I'm missing something?VR _talk 14:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Salam Vice regent. Thanks for pointing that out. Amman itself was the Circassian settlement, along with Jerash, Zarqa, Wadi Sir, Russeifa, and a few other towns in modern Jordan. Amman has an extensive history of settlement from antiquity at least through the Mamluk period, but had been abandoned for centuries, except as a seasonal pasturage for Bedouin flocks/herds, at the time of the Circassian settlement in 1878. I'll revise the article accordingly with more sources. I'll also revise the hook to read "modern Amman" for clarity. Will notify you when its done. Al Ameer (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Al-Zahiriyya al-Tahta

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DYK for Circassians in Jordan

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QPQ for Fakhreddin I

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DYK for Fakhr al-Din I

On 30 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fakhr al-Din I, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din built a mosque (pictured) in Mount Lebanon despite the non-use of mosques by the Druze? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fakhr al-Din I. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Fakhr al-Din I), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Yahya ibn al-Hakam/Al-Hurr ibn Yusuf

Hi Al Ameer -

Hope everything's been well with you. I had a question on the article on Yahya ibn al-Hakam: in it there's a mention of one Umm Hakim, who is referred to as being Yahya's daughter based on a citation from al-Tabari. In al-Azdi's Tarikh al-Mawsil, however, Umm Hakim is referred to as a daughter of Yahya's son Yusuf and a sister of al-Hurr ibn Yusuf. Modern historians who provide commentary on al-Azdi's narrative seem to follow his characterization of her being Yusuf's daughter. When you were working on the article, did you happen to come across anything that discussed the differing descriptions of her genealogy?

Separately, I was hoping to see an article on al-Hurr ibn Yusuf be created, but I wanted to see if you wanted to take a first crack at it given that you've already made so many good contributions on other members of the family. I'd be happy to provide the sources I have if you're interested. Thanks, Ro4444 (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ro4444: Hope you’re doing well too. I can't recall but I'll look into Umm Hakim on Monday when I’ll have full access to my sources. As for al-Hurr ibn Yusuf, please go ahead and create the article—the quality of your work on such early Islamic governors has been impeccable. I'll expand it should there be any opportunity to do so based on the sources I have. Al Ameer (talk) 01:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ro4444: From my end, it looks like only al-Tabari refers to her as "Umm Hakim bt. Yahya ibn al-Hakam": see Vol 25, p. 65 and same page note 272 by Blankinship "The Umayyad wife of Hisham, his first cousin once removed, the mother of five of his children."; Vol 26, p. 90 "The mother of Maslamah b. Hisham was Umm Hakim, the daughter of Yahya b. al-Hakam b. Abi al-As", and same page note 455 by Hillenbrand "Umm Hakim was famous for her beauty as her mother Zaynab bint Abd-al-Rahman had been before her. Umm Hakim was very fond of wine, a characteristic of hers that is recorded in verse by al-Isfahani." The supposed mother of Umm Hakim is called Zaynab bt. Abd al-Rahman by Hillenbrand, perhaps citing Isfahani. "Zaynab" may be the given name of Yahya's wife "Umm al-Qasim al-Sughra bt. Abd al-Rahman" cited by a number of the traditional Islamic sources. C. F. Robinson, in his Empire and Elites after the Muslim Conquest: The Transformation of Northern Mesopotamia, refers to Umm Hakim as the sister of al-Hurr ibn Yusuf, i.e. she was Yusuf ibn Yahya's daughter. Unfortunately, I could not find a source discussing the apparent discrepancy about her lineage in the traditional accounts, but I hope this helps. We may have to modify the text in the Yahya ibn al-Hakam article, as well as the articles on Maslama ibn Hisham and Sulayman ibn Hisham to reflect the differing versions. --Al Ameer (talk) 19:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Al Ameer - thanks for following up here. Yeah, I wish someone who has provided a definitive answer on this, but I couldn't find anyone who has either. In terms of Robinson, he appears to have simply been relying on al-Azdi for his information, and I'm guessing he wasn't otherwise looking into her geneology.

Upon digging further, Ibn Asakir has an entry on Umm Hakim, where he refers to her as "Umm Hakim bint Yahya - it is also said Umm Hakim bint Yusuf ibn Yahya - ibn al-Hakam." To that, the modern editor added a footnote saying to also see al-Mus'ab's Nasab Quraysh, Ibn Hazm's Jamharat, and al-Isfahani's al-Aghani, all of which call her the daughter of Yahya, as well as al-Baladhuri's Ansab al-Ashraf, where she is "Umm Hakim ibn Yahya - it is also said she is Umm Hakim bint al-Harith ibn al-Hakam" (there is also a separate section where Baladhuri calls her Umm Hakim bint Yusuf) and Yaqut's Mu'jam al-Buldan, who (following Ibn Asakir) calls her "Umm Hakim bint Yahya - it is also said bint Yusuf bin Yahya." Based on those sources and adding al-Tabari to them, the majority appears to be for Umm Hakim indeed likely being Yahya's daughter, although again al-Azdi solidly contradicts this.

In terms of her life, Ibn Asakir reports that Umm Hakim was the daughter of Zaynab bint Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Harith ibn Hisham al-Makhzumiyyah. A poet woman, she was originally married to Abd al-Aziz ibn al-Walid ibn Abd al-Malik, but was later divorced by him and instead married Hisham, bearing the caliph several sons including Yazid. To her is attributed a market, as well as a Qasr Umm Hakim at Marj al-Safar.

Anyway, went a bit down the rabbit hole here, but I'm guessing Yahya ibn al-Hakam's article as it currently stands is fine - I guess you could potentially add a footnote for al-Azdi's info, but the weight of the other sources seems to be against him. Thanks again for re-looking at this though. Ro4444 (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ro4444: Based on your response, you definitely have better access to the sources than I do. I could add a note about al-Azdi writing she was Yusufs daughter. Since Umm Hakim seems notable enough in her own right (she was also supposedly involved in machinations against the succession of Walid II), it may be best to just create an article about her where all of this information could be provided. There’s a definitely a dearth of articles on the women of the Umayyad dynasty and historical period. Thoughts? —Al Ameer (talk) 01:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I fully agree with you that'd it be good to get some articles up for some of the more prominent Umayyad women of the era. For me at least, the subject is pretty well out of my wheelhouse, so it'd probably take me some time to be of help. I guess I can do some digging there.

For Umm Hakim, do you have any good sources that go into detail about her efforts to get al-Walid replaced in the succession? Given that that seems to be the biggest thing contributing to her notability, the more info we can on it the better. Ro4444 (talk) 22:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ro4444: Understood. I could get a draft article on her started and keep you posted. I do not imagine it will be an extensive article simply due to a lack of available information, but let’s see what we get. Cheers Al Ameer (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism by user Konli17

Hi, could you please look into the vandalism of user Konli17 who removed large sections and census/population numbers from Al-Hasakah Governorate article, and replaced that with POV-pushing information? In summary, replaced numbers and facts from the French mandate era by some vague statements and poor references (e.g., McDowall) to suiot their Kurdish-POV narrative. Please see the Talk page for more details. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment at Al-Hasakah Governorate. Can you also look into this page? The same two edit-warriors are deleting relevant material and quotes from highly reliable sources, in their attempt to hide the history of the area to suit their POV-pushing agendas. Paradise Chronicle was blocked for violating the 3RR rule and is back to the same old edit-warring game. They just removed the exact same sourced, relevant quotes from the Tell Abyad article they were sanctioned for. We had opened a DRN case about the quotes, but the user paradise did not like the suggestion of volunteer user Nightenbelle, and decided to remove two SOURCED quotes (2-3 lines each) from the Washington Post material and The Washington Institute for Near East Policy. They even removed the material during the DRN. The material in question describes the political situation of the town after it was captured by YPG militias (one of the belligerents in the Syrian civil war). Both works are VERY relevant; the Washington Post story is a field investigation done by an American journalist sitting across across the border from Tell Abyad. Fabrice Balanche (with the Washington Institute) is an expert in the Syrian civil war and author of Sectarianism of Syria's civil war reference work. Balanche is quoted in so many articles on WP and elsewhere. In the beginning, the user was complaining about just one word (unilateral) in one quote, but after all their arguments were debunked now they are talking about some strange quote guidelines that do not really apply to our disputed quote, but they are using the guidelines a s a pretext to remove the material that goes against their POV. The user has just come back and removed the two quotes they didn't like, really undermining all WP rules (DRN, Talk page, NPOV, etc.). I have engaged extensively in the Talk page and DRN page and provided lots of details why these quotes are true and important to the page. I hope you can look into this. Thanks again, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ali Janbulad

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Deleted content

I noticed that some pages were deleted, which were created by a recently blocked user. However, these are the pages. I would like to ask if you can recreate the pages by retrieving the old content. Thanks in advance. 118.33.20.232 (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Ali Janbulad

On 21 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ali Janbulad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Duke of Tuscany allied with Ali Janbulad, the Kurdish chief and rebel governor of Aleppo, to destroy the Ottoman Empire and establish Ali as "Prince of the Kingdom of Syria"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ali Janbulad. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ali Janbulad), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Discussion at Talk:Great Mosque of Mecca § Requested move 8 August 2020

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Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph el-Ruzzi

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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DYK for Joseph el-Ruzzi

On 6 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph el-Ruzzi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Patriarch Joseph el-Ruzzi promulgated the use of the Gregorian calendar in the Maronite Church, the first Eastern Christian church to do so, in 1606? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph el-Ruzzi. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Joseph el-Ruzzi), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Missing cite in Al-Burini

The article cites "Abu-Husayn 1985" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script (explained at Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors) to highlight such errors in the future. Thanks, Renata (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)