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Mucho Macho Man
Ah Sorry, thought it was Vandalism just ignore what I did and put back to what it was. D Eaketts (talk) 18:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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Siobhan Flynn
Can you tell me where the original birth date listed is referencing? As this is incorrect. Is there a way for her to send in her ID in order to get it removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steadyon (talk • contribs) 17:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
- She would be best placed to look at this page and go from there. Amortias (T)(C) 18:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hello Amortias, about the Andrés Chavez article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Ch%C3%A1vez, the source I cited (http://www.cronica.com.ar/article/details/13758/chavez-hizo-el-gol-y-lo-festejo-con-una-travesti) is, in fact, very reliable. "Diario Crónica" is a daily-issued newspaper in Argentina, one of the most best selling. It also has a 24/7 News TV Channel called "Crónica TV" and is one of the most watched.
To support even more strongly the story about Chavez and his transvestite couple, here are some other links from other reliable sources:
La Nación - (one of the top 3 newspapers in Argentina) - http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1724030-andres-chavez-rompio-el-silencio-luego-de-la-aparicion-de-sus-fotos-intimas Yahoo! News - https://ar.deportes.yahoo.com/blogs/fuera-de-serie/im%C3%A1genes-comprometedoras-de-un-jugador-de-boca-200038829-spt.html Infobae (one of the top 3 online newspaper in Argentina) - http://www.infobae.com/2014/09/02/1592071-chavez-y-el-escandalo-no-me-puede-afectar-y-mas-estando-boca DiarioVeloz - http://www.diarioveloz.com/notas/130850-las-fotos-mariana-rodriguez-la-travesti-que-tuvo-sexo-el-jugador-boca-andres-chavez La Razón (alternate version of the top selling newspaper in Argentina, Diario Clarín) - http://www.larazon.com.ar/show/travesti-incendio-jugador-Boca-despecho_0_602700212.html
I'm looking forward for your response. I hope you understand that I'm an expert in Argentinian Football and I'm supporting each line I'm writing. I'm attaching you not less than 6 different links from reliable sources.
Thanks,
HagaseLaLuz — Preceding unsigned comment added by HagaseLaLuz (talk • contribs) 22:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello there I have question regarding a user
Hello I have a question regarding a user I was trying to follow the conversation between Sirrebral (cerebral) and your post.
Since I edited the posting on his page and added another association on it. The user is accusing me of representing the organization and therefore a conflict of interest on an article I recently wrote??
I have already warned him of this issue of disruptive editing on the Tahoe Park article. I also let them know Sirrebral lives in Sacramento. I realize the only issue they had was adding the TPA association to the website and changing the paragraph with TPNA listed. I believe Sirrebral is a representative of TPNA. The paragraph they are guarding is TPNA promoting / advertizing under the heading 1990's -Present .
Their link under 1900's-present are not even verifiable the links and are dead and redirect the reader must pay to view their citations. "Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed" That is why I deleted them. Here are the sentences that appear in the article "The organization worked on behalf of many community concerns, including traffic,[10][11] absentee landlords,[12] and crime.[13]. " They are redirect links to a pay site. They keep putting it back up despite have no verification for citation. Yet by the same token have no problem taking down verifiable info posted by others. After that they grew hostile becoming bullies on their article website despite not following the guidelines on wiki.
Also they decided a new article I created for the association TPA was to be followed and flagged for deletion on the basis cited by Sirrebral as conflict of interest and notability. Sirrebral approached the person I was talking to online about making improvements and cited I was representing the group I was posting with 0 proof. The page was then flagged for a merge to Sirrebral's page or deletion.
I let them know there are many neighborhood associations articles online at wiki most do not have multiple notable outside links yet are a website article on wiki. Here is one that only cited it's own website all the way through. Yet the are an existing page nothing notable or notable citations. They are just like the association I posted for TPA. I feel like I am being targeting by Sirrebral.
I really do not think my article needs to be merged as they are a stand alone association just like all the others. I have outside verifiable notable press citations in the local press. I don't think it needs to be deleted out of conflict of interest at all as it is being suggested because of conflict of interest. I would love your insight and assistance on the matter if you would.
Thank youEspada12 (talk) 23:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)Espada12
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Request
Hi um I wanna be Wikipedia staff please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essa2018 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Essa2018, glad to see you have some high aims for your contributions here. Unfortunatley I am just a bog standard editor on Wikipedia so am unable to assist you with this. If you want to gain some more experience on Wikipedia then there are several places you can start off to help you improve and develop your skillset. I'll leave you a message on your talk page with some information to start from. When your confident and have some more experience on here there are various roles or tasks you can volunteer to do or request permission to carry out. Im quite fond of Counter-vandalism myself. Amortias (T)(C) 11:50, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
An article about the Inuit
Hello, Amortias!
I'm sorry that I made the mistake of not specifying a trusted source, it must be due to the fact that I have sorted out the bad usability Wikipedia. is my source Census of Russian Federation in 2010 (http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/perepis2010/croc/results2.html), I'll be very grateful if you help me arrange everything properly. On the "Russian Wikipedia" article about the Inuit and more complete than in the "English Wikipedia" I razueetsya this time will make the link ([[1]]). If you have any problems with the translation of the Russian language, I'll be happy to help you.
P.S. People of the world are in need of a free and objective information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Froolex (talk • contribs) 20:51, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
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Bitdivine
Hello Amortias. I read the notes carefully before committing my post. I am one of a number of programmers who make extensive use of the format in question. The very nature of open source programming is that we collaborate and share code so that wheels don't have to be reinvented over and over again. It is in that spirit that I have taken quite a bit of time recently to take closed code and make it publicly available. It is contribution to a common meal in the hope that others should do the same. I will not gain from it except insofar as it will encourage the currently somewhat diverse implementations to become interoperable by speaking a common language. Is there space on Wikipedia for such collaboration to take place? --Bitdivine (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi yes there is no problem including this but as there is an apparent promotional part (the user name and the link) it is best to make a request on the talk page of the article for another editor familiar with the subject to include it so that it doesnt appear promotional. Amortias (T)(C) 19:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
That's OK. I'll let you fill in the details as you know the rules. I suspect that if I pour in everything I know I'll just end up committing countless faux pas and I hate moving back and re-doing things. Terrible waste of time. I'll finish up the code as that, with interoperability, will still take quite a bit of effort. Do you mind doing the honours on the Wikipedia page? Each to their own specialty! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitdivine (talk • contribs) 20:22, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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Perhaps some sources can be found in this pile. Bearian (talk) 22:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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The IP has provided the cite now, but I've undone pending a talk page discussion of whether the material should be included. I'm inclined to think it should be covered, but I'd like to see some discussion first. If you're interested in stating your opinion the thread is Talk:Tower Hill School#Headmaster Christopher Wheeler arrested on dealing in child porn charges Meters (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the revert
You reverted the had page back while I couldn't since flood protection. Thanks a bunch! Hope this message isn't done wrong, I never edit wikis 65.35.38.169 (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, one of my very first edits was to nominate a page for deletion by accident. No harm no foul. Amortias (T)(C) 20:40, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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OWN Network
Looks like the article Oprah Winfrey Network (U.S. TV channel) is having more false unsourced vandalism, I believe. TheGGoose (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Bcc
Helllo Amortius, I appreciate your work in monitoring for inappropriate content on Wikipedia. I admit I don't know the rules to the letter. And I really appreciate Wikipedia as a resource. Is the fact that I am linking to my blog the reason? I am fine with removing the link. The other advantages and disadvantages listed in the article appear similar to the issue I raise. This was not advertising. Perhaps it could be construed as Soapboxing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissmithhill (talk • contribs) 19:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, best practice when adding links to locations that are very similar (or identical) to your username are best added as requested edits on the talk page. They can then be reveiewed by an uninvolved editor who can judge the inclusion on its merits for inclusion and if deemed suitable can then be included without a potential conflict of interest
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DOB conflict
That is not the right DOB. Hence deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.34.228 (talk) 12:20, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Amortias. I am not trying to engage in edit warring. I have tried to start a dislogue with Crim000. Crim000 has continually removed well-sourced information to promote his POV. Crim000 has not added to the article but has only tried to remove unflattering information about the living person. While unflattering, it is neutral and well-sourced. Any direction you could give would be appreciated. Thank youWikicorrected (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- The best thing you could do for now is head over to WP:ANEW find the report relating to yourself and explain whats going on there, it would be best to stop editing the article until the issue is resolved or you will just clock up more reverts after a warning has been given which makes it look like youve ignored the warning. I'm ging to look over the article and see what to do next. Amortias (T)(C) 18:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
create this article because i am new in Wikipedia
i have paste a copy of this article. Please create this article for me because this article has created but it was deleted the reasons were that you redirect it an then create it or you should take permission form are administers for creation of this artical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith 123 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Removed entry
Hi Amortias
Thank you for reviewing the entry I added to Jesse Jane's page. You told me that you removed it because no reliable source was added. However I did add the possibly most reliable source namely the full interview. The reference is http://www.dr.dk/Bonanza/serie/Unge_og_satire/Den_11_time.htm?assetId=70801
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhillerstrom (talk • contribs) 21:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Dhillerstrom, there were section of the inclusion such as the statement The three hosts were particularly interested in Jesse Jane elaborating on the sex swing story. that can not easily be sourced to a video. Unless theres a specific source that states this it may be considered original research hence its removal. If you can reinsert it making sure that the language doesnt appear to add opinion about what the hosts may have done or felt there shouldnt be an issue. Amortias (T)(C) 21:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying. Although that is exactly what the three hosts say, I guess it can be difficult for the non-danish speaking reader to verify. I will remove that bit.
- Thank you.
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What is with that weird editing onCountdown (MuchMusic):
I am sitting here monitoring for vandalism and I noticed that someone is reverting your edits? Should I warn them on their talk page to cut it out?
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Question
what is it you do at wikipedia --69.123.161.40 (talk) 00:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)me
- Hi, mostly I deal with checking edits made to articles and reverting edits that appear to have been made in error and advising those who appear to have made an error what they need to do if asked as well as reverting those that have been made intentionally to disrupt or vandalise Wikipedia. I also try to make sure that preventative action is taken to reduce the amount of damage editors who do not wish to contribute consturctivley to Wikipedia can do so that it is kept to as high a standard as possible. Amortias (T)(C) 00:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
what is this
how can i edit articles --69.123.161.40 (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)me
- There are various ways to edit articles, I'll drop you a message on your talk page that explains the basics. Another good place to go is the Teahouse to get some advice on starting. Amortias (T)(C) 00:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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Lists of Atheists Article
I was just putting in the article that I'm an atheist. I have no idea what a citation is.
-Briana "Raven" S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfoxx1919 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Bfoxx1919, information included in wikipedia needs to be backed up by reliable sources. These sources are included by the use of citations. This is so taht we do not include information taht cannot be proven to the encyclopedia.
- As a side note the article on Aetheists is only supposed to be a list of people who have their own Wikipedia article. Unfortunatley I couldnt find one for yourself so I'm afriad you may not be able to be included at this article at present. Amortias (T)(C) 19:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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Mayors of cities are generally considered notable, and there's sufficient documentation; still more could undoubtedly be found in contemporary newspapers. Please remember that speedy A7 is only for articles that make no credible claim to significance. It's a much weaker criterion than notable. DGG ( talk ) 02:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Your userpage
I notice you seem to have a few disgruntled vandals staking out your userpage (or, to be more precise, one vandal with several aliases...). If you want me to semi-protect it so that they can't edit it any more, just say the word. Yunshui 雲水 07:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Yunshui, thanks for the offer, this particular "set" of vandals seemed to switch their vandalism from the main article space to my userpage after I successfully located a set of their socks, in my opinion it makes it easier to identify them (and also reduce article space damage) if I let them concentrate here I (or any other person who stalks my page) can deal with it quietly without lots of people being affected. Amortias (T)(C) 08:59, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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My Pages
Wats doin Amortias, How r u; Can you let me know what of my edits you find a little sketchy just so I know to fix em up.
N8+-98 (talk) 10:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)N8+-98
- These ones look like youve added or removed things without explaining why,
- [2] - Removal of content without explanation
- [3] - Addition of information without providingreliable sources
- [4] - addition of what appears to be either original research or unsourced content.
- If you can take a look at those and then maybe head over to the Tea House as they can provide a lot of help with editing. Amortias (T)(C) 10:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Whatsup Amortias,
One question if you not an admin, where does your power in wiki come from. But mainly, um for the first one about kogarah, i saw it is superficial content being displayed. Second one I did because well my brother goes to Newington College and thirdly that like Brisbane wasnt actually supposed to go up. Can you remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N8+-98 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- @N8+-98:The tools I use at Wikipedia have been given to me as I have shown a history of well chosen edits reverting vandalism and correcting accidental edits.
- I have reverted the Brooklyn edit back to its previous example, the edits to Newington College should still be backed up with reference to a source, if you can find a link on the organisations website or another third party source to back this up. Help with including citations to back these up can be found here. Amortias (T)(C) 10:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Amortius,
Mate, come on, breeblbox wasnt an attack even in the slightest, it was a joke, i am heaps sorry if it seemed that way.
n8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by N8+-98 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
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Confusion: help needed
Hello Amortias
So I have added your page to my evergrowing watchlist because I see it is a hotbed for multi-vandals. There is one point of interest, you have a vandalism counter which does not self-adjust and therefore needs to be handled manually. Now when you take into consideration edits such as this[5], it would to all intents and purposes be regarded as vandalism because the number has been increased by one for no reason. Now I would happily revert, except doing so would only provoke rollback since the information submitted by the vandal thus automatically becomes correct and so the cycle is never-ending. My personal advice would be to remove that feature since this is evidently recursive. Either way, how in future if you are not online and I catch someone vandalizing would you like me to go about dealing with that type of malarkey? --Stars of 85 (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Stars of 85, while I agree its not the best method of updating a vandalism count the template was created by another user and it works for my sense of humor (if someone goes and updates a vandalism counter they pretty much shoot themselves in the foot). Anyones free to revert anything on my page that appears improper as I go over and evaluate anything most days to be on the safe side anyway. Amortias (T)(C) 18:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- OK here's what we'll do. Any evidently unwanted material, I shall undo. If a comedian ups the counter by one, no matter how many times (so long as it is +1 each time), I won't get involved, I'll let you handle that one. OK? --Stars of 85 (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Jeet Kune Do
Please do not revert my edit from this article. I have the informations from the German Wikipedia where it says that Jeet Kune Do also includes Taekwondo. 62.46.160.201 (talk) 21:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, if you want to include this information you will need to provide a reliable source that backs this up, please bear in mind that Wikipedia isnt considered a reliable source as it can be edited by anyone, as your edit has already been reverted by another user you will need to take it to the talk page for discussion otherwise you are at risk of being considered as edit warring. Amortias (T)(C) 21:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. It seems that while patrolling the recent changes, I accidentally reverted this page to a blanked state. I haven't been autoconfirmed yet, and so the CAPTCHA prevented me from repairing the damage before you did. Just thought I ought to explain myself :). Keep up the good work! Oleaster (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Accidents happen, one of my first edits was to nominate an article for WP:SPEEDY as an attack page by accident. Amortias (T)(C) 22:06, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the comment and suggestions... I really respect and appreciate Wikipedia
Amortias,
Felt compelled today to become a contributor to Wikipedia primarily because the Way of the Jedi and Project Jedi are something extraordinary and real for human society, for you, me and anyone who wants to tap-in to latent human abilities.
The Way of the Jedi (Djedi) was part of ancient Egypt and used by the Knight's Templar and Sufis. Project Jedi was also a US military operation that I became part of in 2007 as part of the First Earth Battalion.
I didn't plan or intend on any of this, and I am working diligently daily to bring a very real Way of the Jedi to both the beneovlent, peace-keeping side of the military and to the peaceful revolutionary civilian populations of rebels and freedom fighters.
I am presently in charge of Project Jedi. I am a US Department of Defense contractor under the code-name Captain David Lakota. My birth name is David Keith Swendiman, former US Marine with the President's Police Force (2/6 Camp Lejeune). I deserted my unit when they illegally invaded Lybia.
I joined the Alaska Airborne Rangers in 1994 commanded by Michael "Snowleopard" Bookbinder. He was a black ops instructor featured in the movie Le Femme Nikita. Commander Bookbinder, an Apache Medicine Chief, also hand-selected Bo Gritz portrayed as Rambo in the movie First Blood.
My commander Jim Channon, Lt. Colonel (US Army retired) was portrayed by Jeff Bridges in the movie "Men Who Stare at Goats" by George Clooney
At the end of the movie, Ewan McGregor, arguably one of the most adept and beloved ficitional Jedi, playing a rooki reporter and skeptic of the esoteric, proclaims, "Now more than ever we need the Jedi!"
Most or all of this is my own experience. Most of it can be corroborated by US official military documents, YouTube videos and other Wikipedia articles.
I just haven't figured out how to do that. Are you willing or able to help me.
My expertise is in the field. I have tried several times to follow the directions offered by Wikipedia, but I just haven't figured it out. Don't even know some of the language. Bug I can show you how to see enemy troop movments at a distance. I can show you how to heal at a distance.
I can show you how to access your intuition with 100% degree of certainty.
I am commanding a US Constitution-based militia called Task Force Delta, which was a former US Marine operation decades ago that was also part of the origins of the New Earth Army, which I resigned from last year.
Please help me for the sake of freedom and more reliable access to the very best of information in on the web, the inner planes and through the use of the Way of the Jedi. The foundation of the way of the Jedi, both in Star Wars and in real life is "When you quiet your mind, you will hear the life force speak to you."
Being able to have direct access to intuition, the Akashic Records, your own super and unconscious self, is much more reliable than any cited reference. Yet references help us to feel better, and it seems like proof- even though it is just someone else's version of reality.
Most of what I am sharing for Project Jedi and Task Force Delta is here and now reality. The only way you will know for SURE is through your own experience regardless of how legitimate my references and citations may be.
What Wikipedia is doing and providind is an extremely valuable service to Humanity and freedom and expression.
I am willing to do whatever I can to help provide the most substantial and legitimate intelligence, Open Source Intelligence (commanded by former CIA covert ops and Marine Corps Infantry Officer Robert David Steele.
Can you, will you, show me how to do a simple citation?
Respectfully and humbly,
Major David Michael Lakota aka David Keith Swendiman Task Force Delta commander Project Jedi director
Jedi student and teacher
PS. I want to be able to share as much as possible and legitimzie as much as possible without being self promoting or promoting any products or services.
I DO want people to know the world over that the Way of the Jedi and Shaman is for real. And Project Jedi was real.
I am using Task Force Delta as a means to deliver this to the US Military and to Humanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProjectJedi (talk • contribs) 00:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi there,
- The information your looking to add to wikipedia would need to be added in a very particualr method to ensure it meets the criteria for inclusion at the various place syou may wish to add it to.
- Anything you add will need to be backed up by a reliable source this could be a published scientific article, a newspaper or news website. You would not be able to back this up with original research.
- There are also criteria about how you include your sources, they would need to be included in this method. Once you have made sure you can follow these criteria for inclusion you should be able to add the information to relevan articles. Aim to start small and work your way up to larger articles. Amortias (T)(C) 17:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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Protection is about to expire on The Federalist (website), an article that Dirtlawyer1 has been recently edit warring controversial BLP info into against consensus. I would like to remind him of avoiding edit warring and the discretionary sanctions in place. The appropriate template warning is {{subst:alert|blp}} and I would like to place it on his talk page. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 23:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
- Both alerted for the sake of being unbiased. Amortias (T)(C) 17:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- I promised Amortias that I would keep an eye here, and I saw how Dirtlawyer1 felt negatively about the template. Dirtlawyer's feelings are understandable, and I know there's something somewhere around here about the dangers of templating experienced editors, but I also think that Amortias was acting purely in good faith, and most certainly did not intend to insult Dirtlawyer. Dirtlawyer and Viriditas, you are both experienced enough to know not to edit war, so I'm confident that neither of you will. If either of you see a problem developing at the Federalist page, please focus on the content and not the editor, and please feel free to post here, and Amortias and I will try to help. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- The problem is that Dirtlawyer1 has consistently and repeatedly made personal attacks against me (as I previously pointed out here) while deflecting from his attacks by accusing others of his own shortcomings. After Amortias added the template in good faith, the expected response should have been "Thank you for keeping me informed and letting me know". I myself have left many of these types of templates over the years, and I have never once witnessed this kind of vitriol.[6] Dirtlawye1 accused me of playing games, appealed to my block log in a blatant ad hominem, and then once again misinterpreted a comment about his comments by calling it "offensive", when in fact it was showing and highlighting the offensiveness of his own comments and his lack of self-reflection. Dirtlawyer1 does not seem capable of taking responsibility for his own actions, his own words, and his own behavior, so he finds it necessary to continue making these personal attacks in the hopes that nobody will notice the real problem. I have previously raised the problem with his personal attacks and his comments here. As you can see by his response, he has not addressed the problem but in fact, deleted my comments and made accusations against me instead. I should point out, that he's continued to comment on the contributor even after this problem was raised on his talk page. So there is clearly a WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT problem that needs to be addressed. Viriditas (talk) 01:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- I promised Amortias that I would keep an eye here, and I saw how Dirtlawyer1 felt negatively about the template. Dirtlawyer's feelings are understandable, and I know there's something somewhere around here about the dangers of templating experienced editors, but I also think that Amortias was acting purely in good faith, and most certainly did not intend to insult Dirtlawyer. Dirtlawyer and Viriditas, you are both experienced enough to know not to edit war, so I'm confident that neither of you will. If either of you see a problem developing at the Federalist page, please focus on the content and not the editor, and please feel free to post here, and Amortias and I will try to help. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
And he just can't leave it alone . . . . if he wants to talk about this across multiple talk spaces, so be it.
'Fish, the reason why Viriditas has been "banned" from my talk page is his unfounded and very thinly veiled allegations that I am racist, racially insensitive or serving the purposes of someone's "White masters." Viriditas' quoted text, which is still posted on my talk page:
- "I suggested that your statement 'most Ph.D. professors will make significant good faith efforts to help minorities in American universities' was problematic, as it implied that minorities aren't intelligent and cut it in academia without special help from their White masters."
I have good reason to be offended by this implied and unsupported allegation of "racism" against me, intentionally phrased to avoid an NPA sanction. It's also transparently obvious. No one who comes to my talk page and implies that I am racist, racially insensitive, or serving the purposes of someone's "White masters" is welcome there. Period.
Viriditas was asked not to post on my page after posting his various theories about right-wing conspiracies and attributing the motives of these right-wing conspirators to me:
- "you erroneously argue by implication that climate change and evolution are political topics, which is simply false, they are scientific facts. So, your own comments give your agenda away. It is the Heartland and Discovery Institute who have spent lots of money trying to promote the false notion that climate change and evolution are politically motivated."
For the record, I have never used the phrases "climate change" or "evolution" on-wiki. It should go without saying that none of Viriditas' attacks are true, but I now find myself in the uncomfortable position where I must defend my on-wiki reputation from such falsehoods. After leaving that post, I politely asked Viriditas not to post on my talk page. Instead he returned with his new "racist" attack. After that, I went to ANI, where I simply asked that he be warned, rather than blocked or otherwise sanctioned. Instead of taking that hint, he asked Amortias to leave an unneeded "warning" on my talk page, thereby circumventing the talk page "ban." So, pardon me, gentlemen, for saying I do not need anyone to relay messages, templated or otherwise, from editors who conduct themselves in such a manner. There is no problem here that requires intervention; it is a one-sided problem that can be resolved by Viriditas staying off my talk page and not making further unfounded allegations that I am an evolution denier, a climate change denier, racist, racially insensitive, or serving someone's "White masters" on my talk page -- or anywhere else -- again.
In my earlier talk page response to Amortias, I linked to Viriditas' block log: he has a long history of tendentious and disruptive editing, as documented in the reasons in the block log for his 13 blocks in 7 seven years. My block log shows 0 blocks. That speaks volumes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Amortias and Tryptofish, please note the massive attacks once more above and the edit summary ("more falsehoods = more attacks, headed back to ANI if he doesn't stop") Pure personal attacks, evasions, and threats. This is not a user who is interested in playing nice with others nor in clearing up this dispute and moving on. This is a user who is only interested in engaging in battle, in attacking and threatening, and being as aggressive as a wikilawyer can be. This is not a user who is the least bit interested in listening to other editors or in trying to resolve a dispute. Read what the user has written up above. The only thing they are interested in is "I, me, my, and mine". This is a user who is hopelessly self-absorbed, so much so, that the concerns of other users about their interaction is ignored, problems with their interaction is evaded, and in place of listening and communicating to resolve a problem, we find threats and intimidation. While this kind of bad behavior might be acceptable in the courtroom or in litigation, on Wikipedia we require a different kind of interpersonal communication, one that can show the ability to listen, communicate, and resolve disputes, so that we can get back to collaborating and working towards the same goal. This user has no interest in abiding by such community norms. Viriditas (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- "This is not a user who is interested in playing nice with others nor in clearing up this dispute and moving on."
- "This is a user who is only interested in engaging in battle, in attacking and threatening, and being as aggressive as a wikilawyer can be."
- "This is not a user who is the least bit interested in listening to other editors or in trying to resolve a dispute."
- "The only thing they are interested in is 'I, me, my, and mine'."
- "This is a user who is hopelessly self-absorbed, so much so, that the concerns of other users about their interaction is ignored, problems with their interaction is evaded, and in place of listening and communicating to resolve a problem, we find threats and intimidation.
- "While this kind of bad behavior might be acceptable in the courtroom or in litigation . . ."
- "This user has no interest in abiding by such community norms."
- Huh. I suggest you review WP:NPA regarding your post immediately above. On the other hand, the only diffs, you have posted regarding my alleged "personal attacks" on you are, well, your warnings and accusations. Very long on accusations, kinda short on diffs. I would urge you to stop digging. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to try to reply to both of you, Viriditas and Dirtlawyer1, here, and I'll do it by way of some personal history (on-Wiki) of my own. As it happens, I've worked in the past – separately – with both of you, and – separately – I have come to value each of you as editors and I think that each of you perceives me as trying (if not always succeeding) to be helpful.
Viriditas, you will remember that earlier interactions between you and me were anything but friendly. We had some lengthy, adversarial arguments at ANI and elsewhere. And Dirtlawyer1, I want you to know that the kinds of things Viriditas said to me then were very, very similar to the kinds of things he is saying to you now. So, Viriditas, please understand when I say that I am sympathetic to Dirtlawyer1's objections to being told those kinds of things. You once thought similar things about me, and I think that you might in the future come to believe that you have misjudged Dirtlawyer1 as well.
Dirtlawyer1, you will remember that when you had your RfA, I started out as one of your most enthusiastic supporters. Then, when some other editors brought up some stuff where you had taken some stuff too personally, I did something I hate to do: switch from support to oppose. Don't take the stuff involving Viriditas personally. Don't over-react to it.
I don't care what Dirtlawyer1's politics are in real life, and I don't care what Viriditas' politics are in real life. And neither should either of you. As best I can tell, this thread on Amortias' talk page arose from a desire to avoid edit warring. Don't edit war. Either of you. There's nothing personal about that. It's just about the edits. Someone with one kind of personal opinions can make good edits or bad edits. The personal opinions do not matter here, but the edits do.
I haven't yet looked at the Federalist discussion, but I did look at the Tyson discussion. The dispute there was about whether or not to include some material about a controversy, first reported in the Federalist, about some things Dr. Tyson had said. (The last time I looked at the Tyson page, I think I saw that an RfC had been closed with the consensus against including the controversy on that page.) When I looked at the discussion, it seemed to me that editors were spending WAY too much time arguing about whether certain Florida newspapers were conservative or moderate or whatever, and those arguments were metastasizing into whether certain editors were conservative or whatever because of what they thought about the newspapers. What a waste of time! The question was whether or not to include the content. It doesn't matter what newspapers an editor reads or whether that editor agrees with the newspaper's editorial board. It only matters whether the material should be included on the page or not. If an editor is right or wrong about the material, the fact that they are right or wrong stands on its own, and doesn't need to be underlined by that editor's supposed personal opinions. If the editor is wrong, then the editor is wrong, whether or not the editor also has certain politics. If the editor is right, then the editor is right, whether or not the editor also has certain politics.
The next time you two disagree about something at the Federalist page, please let me suggest that you try the following. Please try to explain your position purely by reference to what you think is good for the page. Try to never consider what another editor's motivations are. And if the other editor comments on your motivations, please don't pay any attention to it. Just ignore it there, and instead, please comment on it here. OK? Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Tryptofish:, I don't disagree, but sadly, political positions have interfered and continue to interfere with talk page discussions and article edits. Dirtlawyer1 has been pretty open about the fact that he has "previously served as a political campaign consultant for one of the national U.S. political parties for five years." I don't think it is very difficult to guess which political party, as this is contributing to the current Tyson disputes, especially with Dirtlawyer1's continuing defense of The Federalist. I think the problem here is that one party is pushing a POV and trying to force it into Wikipedia. Viriditas (talk) 01:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. I, too, am very concerned about organized groups outside of Wikipedia showing up here to push agendas. However, it seems to me that if, hypothetically, Dirtlawyer1 advocates particular edits that push a POV, then other editors including you can quite reasonably argue that those edits are bad for the page, because the edits would unbalance NPOV. It's fine to make that argument. But you can make that argument without needing to get into whatever off-Wiki opinions Dirtlawyer1 may or may not have. No matter what the motivation for bad edits may be, the edits are still bad on their own merits.
- Consider these two possible scenarios: In one scenario, editors argue about each other's motivations. Then, when a convincing case of a conflict of interest has emerged, any attempt to resolve it will get bogged down in back-and-forth accusations of personal attacks. In the other scenario, editors with an agenda try to make bad edits but other editors consistently challenge those edits, purely on the merits. Then, when the editors who oppose that agenda make a case about the conflict of interest, they can document a track record of POV-pushing, whereas the POV pushers have no convincing counter-charges, and the community shuts down the POV pushing. (Please understand that I am not presupposing that Dirtlawyer1 actually is pushing anything. These are hypotheticals.) You never advance your case by basing it on the other editor's motivations. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Teenage pregnancy
oh umm why did u i didnt ask u tho — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niecy land (talk • contribs) 17:58, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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Obama in Comics
Hi Amortias, My friends and I were having a discussion about this topic and we noticed some issues with this page.
I was trying to update it and it seems like I am using a link that is problematic. I'm going to remove the link and make a few more edits. I am appreciative of your feedback and will try to correct that.
Thanks!
Tony Savage 77 (talk) 17:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't war to have an edit war in "El Clasico", but I didn't start this.
Hi Amortias, the writings CarlosRojas77 put recently in the article were not there days ago.
I disagree with that paragraphs, because I've read another version of the story. This version has the same level of valid reference as CarlosRojas77 references.
If we are going to stop the edit war, we need to conciliate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cid Campeador3 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, there is an important policy that needs to be taken into account here. The WP:BRD plicy states that you should be bold in editing and if reverted discuss it on the talk page. I have posted a warning on both yours and CarlosRojas77's talk page advising to stop what you were doing and discuss it. You need to take this to the talk page and try to build a community consensus on what should and shouldnt be included. Continuing to add and remove the information is not going to help issues and may result in you being blocked to prevent further disuption to the article. Please take it to the talk page as soon as possible to discuss what should be included. Amortias (T)(C) 22:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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Halloween cheer!
Hello Amortias:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
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Article: Luke Hemmings (5sos)
You tagged Luke Hemmings (5sos) with db-band. There seem to be plenty of WP:RS per a Google News search. The article obviously needs work, but should the speedy nomination be removed? --Jersey92 (talk) 23:58, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed it has been deleted! :)
Dear Amortias, yes, I looked at what Wikipedia said regarding references and I have to say IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY CLEAR SENSE. So I just put the references in a conventional way (e.g. Surname (date) ). I also have it on a Word document ready to re-insert. So how does one do it? After the open triangular bracket < what does one exactly put before closing it with > ?? Is it Surname, christian name 'Title' Publishers, date... Having been in academia, I know it is important. I am sure it is on your page, when I get a chance I will look; or, in the meantime, if you want to respond to this lack-of-clarity. I have edited the page before (about a year -and-a-half ago), but on the page -for editing, I couldn't find another example. Kind regards, Julian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianjulioalive (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, references need to be provided in a very specific manner on Wikipedia, the best place to look ito this is at this page which explains how the citations work and how to make sure they are properly inserted.
- However. If you look at the top of the edit page screen there should be a blueish bar with something on the right hand end of the text caled cite, if you click where the inline citation needs to go and click cite then the appropriate option from the template dropdown you can then fill in the nessecary fields for wikipedia to do the work inserting them. Amortias (T)(C) 18:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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Apologies in re EDIT WARRING/3RR ANI (see [7]). Yours, Quis separabit? 21:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, mistkae made error corrected, no harm no foul. I've gone and tagged the article with multiple issues that need sorting due to the other users edits. Hopefully they've got the page watched so they can see what they have to do to fix it. Amortias (T)(C) 21:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Benjamin King, Actor
Amortias, I see that you have removed the corrections made to Benjamin King (actor)'s Wikipedia page. I do not have a source to cite, other than an email that I received from Ben directly asking that we make these edits. I am a member of Benjamin's PR team and would like to know how to make these changes permanently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muchandhousepr (talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Please see the section I've just posted at User talk:Sirbeej. Amortias (T)(C) 22:33, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Thanks for tagging some of the many problems with the article as re-written by Margerypark. Could you watchlist this as I am going to be offwiki so you can see the havoc she wreaks. I am sure she will come back and revert to her inferior version, filled with OR, resume-style writing, etc. I suspect she has a COI. I referred her for 3RR, but I forgot -- because I never report people for 3RR anyway -- that means 4RR really (it's a misnomer).
I only reported her because I had written to her on her talkpage, very civilly and invited her to work with me to improve the article and to show me what was wrong with my version. The only thing she could cite in an edit summary was the subject's father's first name(s) -- I wrote Abraham, apparently it is August Abraham. OMG, what an enormous horrendous screw up. She refuses to respond on her talk page or mine and just reverts (see here). I gave her a welcome message so she could read the recommended reading to learn how to edit. I guarantee you she has not and will not do so. Just compare this diff between her version and mine to see which is better. Yours, Quis separabit? 01:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Im making a page on the new Attack on Titan games
I am new and do not understand how to do it so I am using sandbox like you suggested — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacksonbradley1 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
your message re BRUCE PAYNE
HI Amortias, I am Mr P's agent. I get my info directly from the horses mouth so-to-speak. There quite simply is no higher authority on this matter. As Mr P is in the Public Eye- therefore his privacy, facts about him and reputation be kept to the highest standard are is of Paramount importance. As wiki is read by the world including these communiques, am sure you will do the polite and respectful thing.
I am glad you havent taken it this way personally, it isn't personal, it's asking for reality and that is the business of life.
But the Internet and this web site, unfortunaatley leaves things open to mis- interpretation.
Kind Regards.
Mr C.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkyall888 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, unfortunatley you will still need to provide reliable sources to back up any new information. You may also wish to read the neutral point of view page as your previous edit seemed promotional. You might want to be careful with soem of your statements as well we have attempted the gentle friendly approach..naturally. might be interpreted as an attempt to imply a chilling effect on the editing process. I havent taken it this way personally but the interenet unfortunaatley leaves things open to interpretation. Amortias (T)(C) 20:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Amortias, now i get some message from ninarobot??
- Am sure your busy- so I'll cut the the chase.
- I am sure Mr Payne and the team will happily help you get the accurate information that is missing from your site. therefore misleading.
- Mr P wants the same as anyone else in this world--..straight forward no-nonsense living and ethical codes of practice.
- Sound fair? I think Yes.
- Kind Regards, Mr C
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkyall888 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, please read this and this, your statements are getting very close to breeching policies that are likely to get you blocked. When you've read them please take a look at your previous two posts here and let me know if theres anything you might want to reword. Amortias (T)(C) 20:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, youve removed the sections that were at risk of you getting blcoked so thats no longer an issue. There are various policies and procedures for updating information on Wikipedia.
- Information must be supported by a reliable source this can be a news website or another major contributor that is considered reliable. The information must not appear to be promotional and should avoid the use of words that intend to give opinion or emphasis but dont add to the article. If you are going to remove information you should provide an edit sumary that explains why you have removed it. If you are usure about making the edits yourself go the the talk page of the article create a new section andpast the following text {{requested edit}} then state what you want to change. Another editor can see what you want done and make sure its done in the appropriate manner or seek further clarification from you if they are unsure. Amortias (T)(C) 21:42, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- I think we might just be getting trolled. Consider the user name: Fkyall888: "fuck you all 888". I'm inclined to assume good faith, but there are certain limits, especially given the behavior displayed so far. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Graham Taylor
Thanks for helping me delete the Graham taylor theologian page. I tried to delete it myself, but I didn't know how! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anabaptistica (talk • contribs) 01:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)