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Four-star rank

I'm not complaining. Nor am I disagreeing with your edit. Quite simply, I'm ignorant, (and a little puzzled.) Could I bother you to explain to me (in simple language) why you believe that adding "Director, Intelligence Bureau (Indian Police Service four-star rank)" to the "Four-star rank" page is "original research"?
(One of the reasons I ask is that similar entries appear on the one, two and three-star rank pages, so presumably, they, too, are original research.)
Thanks in advance. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure i would be glad to explain. See this edit, where I have corrected and added this reference, which is hosted by the Govt. of India's Department of Personnel and Training, which functions under Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions. The Indian Police Rules clearly spell out the insignia worn by the Director, Intelligence Bureau as "Crossed sword and baton and the State Emblem and one star" - and this is the same insignia worn on the shoulder of the 4-star officers of India's three armed forces. This same insignia is also worn by Director Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI); Director General, Central Reserve Police (CRPF); Director General, Border Security Force (BSF); Director General, Security, and head of 16 out of 29 state police forces of India. But nowhere it says that all those Directors are four-star officers - in fact it makes no comparison to the armed forces ranks. There is no official designations of the police ranks as four (or three or two) stars in the service rules. Equating ranks just on the basis of shoulder tabs, without any reference clearly stating that those police ranks are four-star ranks is WP:OR, or particularly synthesis. The pay graded of all these directors are in fact in the same bracket as armed forces three-star officers. Hence I have removed the addition. I hope I have been able to explain my reasons. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 13:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! (The fact that your explanation exactly matches my opinion is of absolutely no hindrance, either!)

But more seriously, your explanation very nicely fills the gaps in my knowledge, and also happens to address my discomfort with the other pages. In other words, I had my doubts, but didn't have the knowledge/evidence to support them, so your explanation is very useful. So, may I further bother you to look at those other pages and, if necessary, adjust them as appropriate? Many thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I am glad I could help :) I have done the needful at the other star-rank articles - I notice that the Pakistan section also mentions police ranks - I do not know if their police ranks are treated as stared ranks or not - I am going to leave that alone. Cheers :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

RE: Indian Navy Pics

Hi Anir1uph,

concerning your message at Commons:User_talk:El_Grafo#Indian_Navy_pics: I don't have the time to really dive into this again at the moment since I'll be more or less offline over the weekend, but concerning question 4: Yes, I'd highly recommend to forward the whole communication with them to OTRS (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). If the guys from OTRS say it's OK, File:INS Viraat front view.jpg can be undeleted. After that, the next step could be to create a custom license template for images from that website – I have no experience there myself, but I might at least be able to point you to the the people who have … Thanks for your efforts, please keep me updated. --El Grafo (talk) 08:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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New milestone

Hi Anir, i have finally achieved an important personal milestone on wikipedia. The images i have uploaded now stand at over 500 images (506 to be exact). Do i get a barn star from wikipedia for crossing the 500 barrier?

But how have you been? I have been having some spare time & have managed to create a number of train related articles. Do take a look when you can. Superfast1111 (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have been well, but extremely busy in my work. Hope you keep contributing here :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:44, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

It does feel good to have crossed that mark & thanks for the barnstar. Take care. Superfast1111 (talk) 05:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I am having some difficulties at Jaipur Duronto Express & am in advanced stages of talk page discussion. Could you just take a look & let me know what you feel about it. I know you are a busy person hence i apologize for not bringing you in earlier. Superfast1111 (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot! I am in Leh right now, and have been busy touring with my camera. So you can expect some more additions to Commons after my return. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 11:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

& those would be lovely to see. Waiting! :) §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for addressing the close paraphrasing at Russian submarine K-18 Karelia. Since no good deed goes unpunished, would you be willing to look at Russian submarine K-51 Verkhoturye? It has a similar concern.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Sorry for the late reply, I am a little busy these days. I have gone through the article, making some changes. If more instances of close paraphrasing remain, can you kindly post those sentence which need to be be modified. The DYK project has a tool for that, but I am not sure how to use it. Thanks! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, there's no deadline. The close paraphrase report was by a bot, and not specific. I saw that you fixed one, and that's what prompted me to ask. While I haven't looked closely at the purported source, your rewrite looks sufficient. Thanks.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

SPhilbrick, thanks for telling me about the report :) I noticed that INS Chennai is also included in that report. It too was fixed by me some time back, so you may tick that OK as well. :D Anir1uph | talk | contrib 14:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done (and credited you) Thanks.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the great work with the OTRS....also does this perm apply to the website of Career Indian Navy? Also, would it be possible to get similar licenses from the websites of IAF and Carrer IAF? both of them possess some great pics. Thanks for the note! I'm doing good. Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC) please drop a talkbalk. You know my schedule! :D

You are welcome :) And this permission is only for the navy's main website. I would have to mail the webmasters of the other three website for that. Will see what I can do. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 10:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• I just checked. The Air Force and Nausena Bharti website images are a no go - they clearly say "Copyright© All rights reserved with Indian Air Force/Indian Navy", unlike the main navy website, which says that all content is public domain and also gave clear permission for using them on wikipedia. :( Anir1uph | talk | contrib 10:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Shivalik class

Hi, the Shivalik class are supposed to have an 8 cell VLS for Klub or BrahMos. But this picture taken by Saberwyn last week clearly shows what looks like a 16 cell VLS of medium size. I'm not sure if it is of BrahMos or Barak but whatever it is, the article seems to have some factual errors. Help would be appreciated! BTW I uploaded hell lots of images from the IN website using the license template. All surface combatants of the navy have their images in the list page. I uploaded some aircraft too. Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 08:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I saw your image additions on List of active Indian Navy ships. The article is in a much better state now, thanks to the images you added. :) As for the weapon systems on board Shivalik class, our wiki article cites only one source for the weapons section and though Naval technology is generally reliable, I often find that it is not always accurate for Indian/non-western ships. Nevertheless the image by Saberwyn isnt clear enough to show if there are 8 or 16 VLS fitted on the ship. I will try to confirm this either way from my sources in the navy, and then try to find a suitable supporting reference. Till then i guess we keep exactly what Naval Technology says (at least we have cited a reliable source that way) , and also try to find an official navy reference. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 15:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

This says two Barack-1 VLS and eight Klubs. This agrees with the previous data. So we can modify the date in the article accordingly. Ajai Shukla can be quoted as a reliable source for factual data on the Indian naval ships, even though his opinions as a defence analyst may not meet wiki standards. What do you think? Anir1uph | talk | contrib 15:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

By 2 systems, he means 16 cell right? Yes, he can be considered a pro in reporting. I will be modifying the article(s) accordingly. Now that put's a new question...is the front VLS sys for Barak or Klub.......BTW you have sources in Navy? Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:05, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Update, it's an 8 cell VLS of Klub, considering it's huge size! See this fantastic shot. We must really try to get perm to use this image...what say? Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I guess 2 systems mean total 16 VLS, as per pics and info on Barak-1, each system consists of 8 launch tubes. As for the front/back/Barack/Klub it is anybody's guess right now - no info available on that :D The deck image is fantastic! We would LOVE a pic like that of any ship of the navy. As for my navy and air force sources, check ur FB inbox for the details, so we can have a little more privacy, or at least where only the NSA can see ;) haha! Cheers! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 16:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course yes, will do. BTW I uploaded a Fair Use Arihant here. Please tell me if all the licensing and rationale are right. Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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Can you explain your recent RV's to my good-faith edits in counter-battery radar and ARTHUR (radar)? You didn't put anything in the checkin notes. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops! I was reverting the spam link added by this ip at those pages and two other similar pages. There was no effect on ARTHUR (radar) by my revert, as you had made a page move. but i see that i mistakenly reverted a lot of good changes made by you on counter-battery radar. I surely did not mean to do that, nor am i aware how it happened...i guess i was reverting all the ip's contributions directly from their contribution page, so that caused me to revert you too! I have reverted and corrected myself. I am sorry; thanks for informing me :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 13:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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Views/Day	Quality	Title	Content	Headings	Images	Links	Sources	Tagged with…
410		India–Russia relations (talk)						Add sources
1,638		Fighter aircraft (talk)						Add sources
440		Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction (talk)						Add sources
715		Missile (talk)						Add sources
21		Abhay-class corvette (talk)						Add sources
583		Patna (talk)						Add sources
492		Rajahmundry (talk)						Cleanup
356		Mining in Australia (talk)						Cleanup
10		Namseoul University (talk)						Cleanup
370		Harpoon (missile) (talk)						Expand
1,571		Andaman and Nicobar Islands (talk)						Expand
3,676		MILAN (talk)						Expand
4,402		Narendra Modi (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
314		Bharat Sanchar Nigam (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
49		Gammon India (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
889		Vijayanagara Empire (talk)						Merge
32		Mamuni Mayan (talk)						Merge
557		Indo-Aryan languages (talk)						Merge
130		9K111 Fagot (talk)						Wikify
290		MAMBA (talk)						Wikify
188		Philippine Marine Corps (talk)						Wikify
10		Anil Khandelwal (talk)						Orphan
2		Agrocharis (talk)						Orphan
11		5 Fingers (Austria) (talk)						Orphan
23		Khukri-class corvette (talk)						Stub
21		Andrew H. Cozzens (talk)						Stub
6		INS Gomati (F21) (talk)						Stub
5		INS Nilgiri (F33) (talk)						Stub
5		Laishram Jyotin Singh (talk)						Stub
4		Nawab Singh Chauhan (talk)						Stub

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your work on military articles. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 00:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey wow! Thanks! this means a lot coming from you. I wonder how you even found out about me/my work here :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 01:18, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

No comment. Anyway, next time use the Template:reply to in front of your reply instead of dropping a talkback template on an editor's userpage. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the template may seem like a more efficient way to you, but i prefer using TB, just habit, i guess. Your "no comment" reply above is very intriguing. People generally have a reason for doing something, particularly when they are going out of their way. You aren't a bot, right? :P haha Anir1uph | talk | contrib 02:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

"People generally have a reason for doing something" -- well, why can't this bot be nice to random hard-working editors? :P --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Haha, yeah OK! You are one of the most hard working editors i see around here (almost bot-like :P ), and so it was a delight to receive an out of the blue barnstar from you. :) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 03:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

"almost bot-like" -- yeah, thanks for saying I don't have a life haha Nah seriously, really appreciate your comment. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 03:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

BTW, India is about to buy the Rafale, wanna collaborate with me on the article and perhaps Indian MRCA competition? Bring somebody along. There's a lot of stuff to do. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 03:40, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I would love to contribute more, but both Strike Eagle and I are busy with our education these days, thought I would be able to devote more time to air force related articles soon. Most of the little time I get these days gets spent in updating/maintenance of navy-related articles. You have already done great work on Dassault Rafale. I would love to help you out in Indian MRCA competition. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 04:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Before you continue editing the article, make sure that you know as much about the competition as possible. Firstly, have a read of [1] and [2]. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Views/Day	Quality	Title	Content	Headings	Images	Links	Sources	Tagged with…
1,120		Pakistan Army (talk)						Add sources
1		INS Sindhudurg (K72) (talk)						Add sources
23		Godavari-class frigate (talk)						Add sources
587		Canadian Army (talk)						Add sources
30		MAKS (air show) (talk)						Add sources
85		Radar warning receiver (talk)						Add sources
467		ARMA 2 (talk)						Cleanup
105		Indian fast food (talk)						Cleanup
113		Secret and special weapons in Showa Japan (talk)						Cleanup
107		Operation Meghdoot (talk)						Expand
2,204		Exploration of Mars (talk)						Expand
192		National Socialist black metal (talk)						Expand
178		Fourth-generation jet fighter (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
1,206		Comparison of web browsers (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
35		Operation Python (talk)						Unencyclopaedic
1,100		Chengdu J-20 (talk)						Merge
155		River mouth (talk)						Merge
75		Pakistan–Russia relations (talk)						Merge
863		Mil Mi-17 (talk)						Wikify
723		Strategic Defense Initiative (talk)						Wikify
7		Sainik School, Sujanpur Tihra (talk)						Wikify
17		Another Demonstration of the Cliff-Guibert Fire Hose Reel, Showing a Young Girl Coming from an Office, Detaching Hose, Running with It 60 Feet, and Playing a Stream, All Inside of 30 Seconds (talk)						Orphan
33		Ghattamaneni family (talk)						Orphan
2		Aaron Links (talk)						Orphan
5		INS Sindhudhvaj (S56) (talk)						Stub
4		INS Sindhuvijay (S62) (talk)						Stub
3		INS Sindhukesari (S60) (talk)						Stub
3		Murgo (talk)						Stub
4		Mulhal Mughlan (talk)						Stub
4		INS Sindhuvir (S58) (talk)						Stub

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly, your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

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