User talk:Aviationstrategies

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Speedy deletion nomination of AMPAP

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AMPAP

The recent edit you made has been reverted, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. ttonyb1 (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from AMPAP, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Stop adding copyrighted material to the article. You will be banned if you continue. ttonyb1 (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Aviationstrategies. You have new messages at Ttonyb1's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks for the help ttonyb1 - we are new at this. Seems that we are having issues on our page again however... :-(--Aviationstrategies (talk) 02:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Objective: Objectivity

Help request

{{helpme}} Please :-)--Aviationstrategies (talk) 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

So now we have a notice on the Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme page. I thought that following ttonyb1's instructions got this article in the clear. Apparently not. Now it is said that: "This article reads like a news release, or is otherwise written in an overly promotional tone. Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view. When appropriate, blatant advertising may be marked for speedy deletion with a db-spam tag."

Well first of all, it is as much or as little a news release as any other article on Wikipedia. When people are saying who won on Idol or at the Grammys, are they releasing news, or are they documenting something that is happening in history? Both actually.

This isn't meant to advertise the programme but rather to document it's exisistence, like one would do with any accreditation, any school, etc. In a sense, the moment you document something here, you indirectly advertise. Right?

So I guess the question is.... what is it about this article that has admins so up in arms and wanting to delete it? Please work with us. We are actually quite sincere in that we are trying to document something.

As a blocked user, you are unable to edit Wikipedia. You are able to edit this page, so that you can discuss your block, and request unblocking - see Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. It is not appropriate to discuss other edits; 'blocked' means that, for policy reasons, you are not permitted to contribute to the project until/if the matter can be resolved, and when your account is unblocked.

Thanks,  Chzz  ►  03:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I realised I was blocked after I put this post. If you scroll down, you'll see that I've addressed this. Now can someone help me with my question please?

What is wrong with my username?

Wow... not very welcoming to new users! Can we get help rather than being banned please?

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Aviationstrategies (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Requested username:

your new username here (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Decline reason:

You haven't specified a new username. — – B.hotep •talk• 09:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You seem to mention "we" alot – accounts are supposed to be used by one person only. Is it being used by more than one person, or is it simply that you say "we" as in "our organisation"? In either case, your username is not acceptable as it represents a company or organisation. See the relevant policy here. What edits do you intend making outside those of promoting your company? – B.hotep •talk• 09:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, "Seems that we are having issues on our page again however", you said above (emphasis added). It isn't your page. I just edited it for spam and promotion and there's not a lot left. Wouldn't be surprised if someone did nominate it for deletion. Oh well, at least I tried. :( – B.hotep •talk• 09:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the account is mine, but the people who noticed are the people in my surrounding who helped me write this. I am the only one with the password, my name is Kristina. So from now on, I'll say my page and my user name if this will help.

So now how do I change my username please and avoid nomination for deletion? Again, helping the new people rather like me than deleting them would be a very nice thing to do, no? I'd truly appreciate it.

It says above that I haven't specified a new username but I read the instructions over and over again and haven't figure out how. What would be acceptable? AviationFan? Is that already taken?--Aviationstrategies (talk) 10:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I could lead you through the process of changing username, but you would need to convince us about what edits you intend to make on Wikipedia other than ones related to Aviation Strategies International, the Internation Airport Professional, and Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme – we cannot allow you to edit these articles because of the clear conflict of interest. We do not allow edits which are, whichever way you look at it, promotional. By the way, I tried to help by editing the article to standards of neutrality. That done, I'm not convinced of the notability yet so will be taking it to articles for deletion shortly. – B.hotep •talk• 10:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, please explain this to me. I am trying to document something here. Is what you are saying that I cannot be at all affiliated with this in order to write about it? I don't understand. Believe it or not, I did this as a good gesture to try and document a new programme to certify airport managers as there has been a lot of controversy. I look at other Wikipedia pages and I don't see how they aren' advertising if I look at your TOS. I'm taking about the ones that talk about accreditations, schools, etc. You do realise that this is a ICAO project, a not for profit international United Nations organisation? This is not about making money. This is about information. The company I work for doesn't own this project.

Now, how can I appeal to you to help me rather than hurt me? I am acting in good faith and trying to learn. I didn't realise we weren't allowed to make newbie mistakes. Please. Sincerely.--Aviationstrategies (talk) 10:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

←If I wasn't interested in helping I wouldn't be here. All the answers you require are in this FAQ. Also, I apologise, when you originally got your block, you should have got this notice (hidden for tidiness, just click show). It should explain things in a policy related way rather than me trying to explain it like a human. – B.hotep •talk• 11:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The notice you should have received

Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully. Why can't I edit Wikipedia? Because your account was used for promotion of a company, group, product or organization with a username that promotes or implies affiliation with the aforementioned. Wikipedia does not allow any form of spam or other promotion of people, products, companies or other groups (even non-commercial or charitable ones). Using Wikipedia for such purposes will result in the blocking of the account involved. Please read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organization and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for our policies about this. In addition, user accounts are for individuals only, not for companies or groups or other collective editing. Your username should reflect this. Usernames that appear to be promotional (such as those that make reference to a company or product) violate our username policy and are typically blocked to enforce that policy. What can I do now? If you have no interest in writing about some other topic than your organization, group, company, or product, you will not be allowed to edit Wikipedia again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead. If you do intend to make useful contributions about some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following: Add the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below this message box. Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must: Tell us what new username you want to use. Please make sure that your new username does not violate our username policy and check that it has not already been taken (click here to search). Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked. Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked. If instead you believe that you have been blocked by mistake (i.e., you have not in fact been using Wikipedia for promotional purposes), please write {{unblock|Your reason here}} below this message box and replace the text "Your reason here" with the reason why. See also Wikipedia:Appealing a block for more information.

Ok so if I ask someone else, more objective to write this article, can it be saved then? Can we have some time rather than get it deleted? I actually have to work today so I can't get to this until tomorrow.

Also, still not sure I know how to unblock my account/change my name. I have read the FAQ and will respect those terms (FYI, I didn't come across this before when I was looking for information so I wasn't trying to go against the rules... --Aviationstrategies (talk) 12:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

←Yes, the FAQ is very useful. I marvel at it every time I read it. And it would have saved a lot of time and upset on your part if you had been given it in the first place – for which I apologise again, on behalf of others. OK, what you need to do is put this under this message:

{{unblock-un|NEWUSERNAME}}

Change NEWUSERNAME to the name you want

But please remember, if your request is accepted, you will need to go straight to this department to change your username before you make any more edits of any kind to any article. And even then, if you fall foul of the Business FAQ, you will be blocked under your new username too. Sorry, had to say it. :) – B.hotep •talk• 12:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Well thank you for your help. I'll change my name to a more generic name and my plan is to edit other articles that deal with Executive Level training programs as that is what I know and feel I have authority to write about. --Aviationstrategies (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Break

Am I to understand that my request was denied? And I am blocked for *vandalism*? Oh my, I've never vandalised anything in real life. Oh boy, this is becoming a very surreal experience :-(--Aviationstrategies (talk) 12:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No! How on earth did you come to that conclusion? The above is the proper template to be unblocked to go and change your username. The one you used was for people that aren't blocked. This is becoming surreal for me too. :) – B.hotep •talk• 12:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry if this is becoming frustrating for you. I'm actually a relatively intelligent person believe it or not but I'm having a really hard time with the Wikipedia instructions. Let me try this again. And thank you for your patience. It is appreciated.--Aviationstrategies (talk) 12:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No, it's OK. :) Anyway, you didn't have to do it again because I'd already done it anyway. Just wait a while for another admin to come along and review the situation. If they don't come soon, I will do it myself. Then you will have the fun task of working out the templates for changing usernames at the username change dept. – B.hotep •talk• 13:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. No worries about the time. I have my day job to get to. Now how can I get a stay of execution on the AMPAP page while I gather up other contributers? I want to contribute to a page that meets Wikipedia's standards. I just want to be given a chance to do so.--Aviationstrategies (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion discussions last for seven days. – B.hotep •talk• 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

But please remember to use the talk page of the article for suggestions. Also, it might be worth noting that anyone else who works with you will be subject to the same conditions as these if they can't edit without conflicting with the FAQ and neutrality policy too. And anyone you know outside work under your guidance too – this is called meatpuppetry. Pretending to be someone else is called sockpuppetry. Just so you know. – B.hotep •talk• 13:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Goodness! There will be no puppets. I'm thinking of getting asking people who are participants to this programme who have no vested interest really to contribute. Would this be ok? Or no... I mean honestly, how can you write about something if you don't know about it, and how can you know about something if you aren't at least a little bit involved in it. I'm not trying to influence anything. I just think it would be grand if there was a Wikipedia entry about this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it though. I thought this was going to be a fun experience... --Aviationstrategies (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

←Funny you should mention editing without knowing about a subject – this is exactly what you can do on Wikipedia because if you get information from reliable and verifiable sources, you can write about almost anything. Because someone who does know what they are talking about has already written about it! That literally is what this is all about. – B.hotep •talk• 13:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure I agree with you on that one. Not trying to brag or come across as miss know it all but I actually wrote my Master's thesis on the credibility of information on the Web, specifically about Blogs. But I'm open to debate this collegially :-) But I don't think this is the venue for that :-) About my question about inviting participants of the programme edit this article, in your experience and as far as you know, would this be a conflict of interest? I wouldn't tell them what to say, just prepare a really detailed document about Wikipedia's rules and invite them to write what they want. Because right now, the page will be deleted without input from someone else other than me, right? I guess what I'm asking you is, what are my options?--Aviationstrategies (talk) 13:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

As long as they edit in a neutral manner and use references from reliable, third party sources which can be checked, then all is good. Get them to read the FAQ – it applies to everyone in a way. For instance, you could have nothing whatsoever to do with a company, but just like their product. You think it would be a good idea to copy from their website or even just write from scratch but put something like "this is great!" – that's a no-no. But stick to the rules and nothing can go wrong... well, maybe... ;) – B.hotep •talk• 13:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"But stick to the rules and nothing can go wrong... well, maybe" Famous last words!! :-)--Aviationstrategies (talk) 14:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was unblocked, but I have now re-blocked since nothing has been done for a while now. If you want, you can request a username unblock again. – B.hotep •talk• 11:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme. Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

My life is filled with fulfulling things and this, frankly, has become a cause it seems I will not win. You will not get the satisfaction of having me beg to be included in your little group.--Aviationstrategies (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Global ACI-ICAO Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme (AMPAP)

I have nominated Category:Global ACI-ICAO Airport Management Professional Accreditation Programme (AMPAP) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Arsenikk ^(talk) 14:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)