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An apology for my former disruptive behavior at the Teahouse

Hello. I have come here to apologize for my disruptive and uncivil behavior on the Wikipedia Teahouse a year ago. I am sorry for any rude things that I said to the Wikipedia community and aboutt falsely accusing them of having an adgenda against hate groups, pseudoscience promoters, and pedophiles. To be clear, I do not support or advocate these group's ideologies, "especially those of pedophiles who view adult-child sexual relationships as healthy and harmless", on or off Wikipedia. Please forgive me. Frogger48 (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Los Angeles (desambiguation)

Why not in Los Angeles (desambiguation) not should appear that these words are derivative from Spanish words?. this same should apply it in desambiguations Bambino, Amour, Je t'aime, Über Alles (disambiguation), etc, etc.--Vvven (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Mostly because Wikipedia is not a dictionary and that your link does not go to an article in the encyclopedia that has anything to do with Los Angeles. Nevertheless, I don't feel strongly enough about it to revert your addition. Maybe you will do it yourself. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Danube Delta

You deleted a para, as it was not supported by a citation. Would it perhaps be better to add a "citation needed" tag in the text instead? Otherwise how will anyone know one is needed for that information? :) ~ P-123 (talk) 11:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Westwood, Los Angeles

Hi! I want to add in a bit about Warner Elementary from:

• Hardy, Terry. "Top of the Class" (education section). Los Angeles Magazine. Emmis Communications, October 1998. Vol. 43, No. 10. ISSN 1522-9149. Start: p. 52. CITED: p. 56.
  • The school had some issues with multiple principals coming and going before Jeff Felz came in, and once he did he encouraged more parental participation.

Also I need a cite saying that Westwood is zoned to University High School... WhisperToMe (talk) 03:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

If you think this will stand the test of time . . . BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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West Los Angeles

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Westlake, Los Angeles

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Whitley Heights, Los Angeles

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Your edit

There is an ongoing battle against vandals and real estate spammers adding "affluent" to city articles. I have no idea why you reverted this edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, I finally understand the problem upon your explanation. Nevertheless, when one of the salient facts about a neighborhood is its wealth, or lack of wealth — or any other distinguishing characteristic — then that fact should be mentioned in the lead, and not simply ignored. I invite you to take part in the discussion on the Sherman Oaks, California, talk page, where I point out that this matter has been carefully considered by others (not just me), and the conclusion reached was that if we can find the sources, we can use "affluent" as a descriptor for a neighborhood. I hope that helps you in considering this and other articles like it. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I read the discussion long ago, and consensus was reached to stop adding that stupid word. This isn't a battleground. Why not focus your energy on something that will actually help Wikipedia? Magnolia677 (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I think you might have read a different discussion, could that be? In any event, it is not stupid to describe a community the way it is. I am surprised that anybody would think so. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Spanish articles on senior high schools

Hi! I have been writing some Spanish language stubs on LAUSD high schools for the following reasons:

• To expand Spanish-language coverage of the Los Angeles area
• As a courtesy for Spanish-speaking immigrants who have poor English comprehension
• To encourage the children of these immigrants-students at these schools-to become Wikipedians and improve coverage of U.S. articles in both English and Spanish

I am also having articles on other languages made depending upon the community demographics. An Armenian user made an Armenian article on Grant High School (Los Angeles) and I'm trying to have a Korean editor make that version for Los Angeles High School.

Do you know some Spanish? If so you are welcome to help in this effort :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Whisper. I'm afraid I don't know enough Spanish to help out. French, yes. But not much call for that in L.A. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 09:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

There are two French international schools in Los Angeles: Lycee Francais de Los Angeles and Lycee International de Los Angeles so if you'd like you can help out with those. Also if you take photos for Wikipedia please let me know, as I can give you a "shopping list" of photos that can help the articles. if you tell me what parts are most convenient I can give you a list :) WhisperToMe (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

FAG!

I am trying to reword the entry on using Findagrave so people can distinguish that using the text is bad, but that the location of the grave and the information from the image of the tombstone is acceptable. Please join the debate: Wikipedia talk:External links/Perennial websites. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles

I noticed you tagged User talk:166.170.49.219 for unconstructive editing with this edit. Please take a moment to read this policy on types of vandalism and tell me which category that edit falls under? Now read this policy about what vandalism isn't and see if you can find a category for that edit there. Are you now trying to intimidate other editors who disagree with your dubious addition of the word "affluent" to US city articles? Magnolia677 (talk) 04:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Magnolia. I do not appreciate what appears to be a snotty post. I do not need lecturing, beause, after all, I have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

• Please stop your slow edit-war to get POV material into the article. It ought to be clear to you by now that you do not have the support of other editors for the changes you want to make... Thomas.W ^talk 21:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Thomas. I am sorry, but it is not my opinion. It is the opinion of WP:Reliable sources, which are cited. I would be very happy to describe this neighborhood in any other terms if you can find them. I think your quarrel is with the sources. Yours in Wiki-dom, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for being nice. Wyeson 05:35, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Edit-warring on articles about districts of Los Angeles

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OK. No problem. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

Hello, I was somewhat surprised to see you came again! I hope you're well and please feel welcome!

SwisterTwister talk 07:07, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC notifications

How did you select what users to notify about your RfC on train station article leads? --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 17:05, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

(1) All those who made content edits during the past year at Abada railway station, Aosta railway station, Culver City station and Palms station (nine people altogether), (2) eleven editors chosen because they were recently active (during January and February 2016) at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia style and naming and (3) the twenty most recently added editors to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/List of participants, as well as notices at (1) Wikipedia:WikiProject Travel and Tourism, (2) Wikipedia:WikiProject Urban studies and planning and (3) Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Pacoima, Los Angeles

I put the population into the intro to give an idea of how big it is. It isn't an area with three people, it has over 100,000 which is a BIG area. Unfortunately, it was measured in an odd way (by using the population in the zip code) so had to be stated in a complex manner in order to not be misleading about how it was measured. If you have a better way to word it I'd appreciate it. RJFJR (talk) 14:43, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I see your point, but the WP:lead should be a summation of the entire article. We can work on that. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

There are more items that might be added to give it context but the population is probably one of them. Any idea of a good way to word it? RJFJR (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

(Sorry, I just realized I left the message on your user page instead of user talk page because I clicked the wrong link to get to your page. Sorry about that. RJFJR (talk) 22:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC))

I just say to go ahead and give it your best shot. Other folks may come along to help you fix it up. Be sure to read WP:Lead first. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC on LA Metro

Hi there,

Would you be open to creating redirects for people who, for instance, search for Palms station, as per Metro, that is not the official name. It really should be just Palms, for example. TJH2018 (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not sure how that would work, nor what "It really should be just Palms" means. The objection of most commenting editors is to the syntax of the opening sentence, because, as has been stated, Palms is not a station, but it is a community. I might add that when people who live in Palms want to take a train, they will go to Palms station, and not to Palms, because they are already IN Palms. I hope to hear from you again. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

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Sylmar, Los Angeles

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El Retiro School for Girls

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NFC

File:Sketch of advertising construction at side of road in Sylmar, California, 1939.png is in your sandbox. Non-free images are never allowed in user space. (WP:NFCC#9) This includes user pages, talk pages, sandboxes and drafts. (WP:UNOT#Non-free images) I would have removed it but did not want to risk an edit conflict. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Wik-Ed Women Session #5

Wik-Ed Women Session #5

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Wiltshire Park redirect

Hi, Have had a query raised with me regarding the redirect of this page. Could you provide a bit more explanation of the redirect (no issue if you cant). Would you have any objections in the removal of the redirect restoring the previous page? Any advice or just a cant remember I've slept since then would be appreciated. Amortias (T)(C) 20:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello. This little enclave does not offer any sources to show that it is a true neighborhood of Los Angeles. Quite often homeowners' groups or interested real-estate people will say that any given geographical area is a legitimate neighborhood even when they don't have any WP:Reliable sources to prove it. I believe this was the case with this article, which you can find here. If any editor or other neutral person wants to write an article citing such sources, I am sure that it would be cheerfully accepted by the community. Does this help? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I would object to restoring the former page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. Will relay the message. Amortias (T)(C) 22:55, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of comment

My comment on KoreaTown wikipage was eliminated by you. As for being neutral, I have an unpaid position with the association whose webpage was eliminated and redirected to Koreatown wikipage. This has happened to other neighborhood pages that have been reduced to Koreatown. This is a political issue about ethnic enclaves an identity. I appreciate the policing but registering my complaint about having our wikipage eliminated and redirected does deserve to have it comments protected. Where were you when our wikipage was removed and redirected to Koreatown wikipage?554938Wilshire (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Trying to help you out, I did a search in the LAPL files of the Los Angeles Times for "Wilshire Park," but I couldn't find any reference to it as an authentic neighborhood. Do you have other WP:Reliable sources? If you do, let me know, and I will write up an article about the neighborhood for submission. (It is listed as a Historic Overlay Zone, which is not a neighborhood, but simply a zone within a neighborhood.) Or, you can ask some other uninvolved person to do it. Best wishes, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Wilshire Park

Thank you for the link - I am learning as fast as I can, but I am new at this. Your help is very much appreciated. I will tighten it up as suggested, change the tone, and beef up the references - already working on self-educating so I can do a good job.

I have a question for you, since you are a specialist on the narrower topic of neighborhood pages.

What does it take to be allowed a Wikipedia page as a real "neighborhood"? Hancock Park, Windsor Square, Arlington Heights and even "the Flower District," a market for making profit, are allowed pages. How is WP different? WP is identified by Thomas Brothers Guides, by our Neighborhood Council (Greater Wilshire), by the Office of Historic Resources, and even within the Wikipedia page called "List of Districts and Neighborhoods in Los Angeles." What is the criteria for suppressing a page like the WP page, with Wikipedia's support for the suppressor (until you helped me out)? It seems random and arbitrary - or a convenient excuse for somebody with a political agenda and psychic powers to deduce evil where there is none.

WP is an historic district, and as you know, education is necessary to effectively prevent the loss of historic resources. The WP site had links to City agencies, historic articles, etc. The Wilshire Park Association, the "enclave" refered to so dismissively, is a legitimate 501(c)(3) non-profit with a mandate to educate and teeny-tiny barely-break-even assets - all from the donations of residents. The members are all volunteers and have no profit motive. WP doesn't need or want a presence on Wikipedia for any other reason than to make our historic district function well for the benefit of current and future residents. The removal of this information, which is valuable on many levels, was wrong. How arrogant of the KTown editor to let his imagination see little WP as a threat to the Koreatown fiefdom and cause all this bad feeling and resentment. And it's a shame. It's divisive. And wasteful.

This has also been done to neighborhoods miles away from Koreatown, by the same editor. Clearly, to me, the motivation here is something other than as stated. This is obviously flag planting and suppression. How can Wikipedia, whose mantra is respect, free expression and factual accuracy, allow this and side with this editor, and offer no solution to the conflict except to let it happen? It was necessary to lie about fellow editors and 'gin up non-existent conflicts of interest to do it, but Wikipedia bought it wholesale with no investigation of this editor's history. "Helpful," as one dismissive response said, or not, the term that applies is "bullying."

As I said, I am working on a new page, but I am afraid it will be attacked again. I don't have the time or appetite to play with this game any more. How do I get this to stop, once and for all, considering this is a repeat performance? Does this behavior rise to the level of requiring administrative intervention? Can the editor be banned from interfering further, based on the past and current incidents? WayBackHomes (talk) 03:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WayBackHomes (talk • contribs) 03:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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I am glad to help you out, but I think you are misconstruing a few things.

First, I was the editor responsible for merging the article on Wilshire Park, Los Angeles, to Koreatown, Los Angeles. I did this on 23 December because the former article, which you can read by clicking here, did not have the required WP:Reliable sources to fill out a complete article in the Wikipedia style.

There were other problems with the old Wilshire Park article, too, all of which were marked at the top of the page; that is,

• This article needs additional citations for verification. (July 2013)
• The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. (July 2013)
• This article possibly contains original research. (July 2013)
• This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. (July 2013)
• This article has an unclear citation style. (August 2009)

Therefore, as is often the case (spelled out in this essay), I redirected the page to Koreatown, Los Angeles, which is a larger neighborhood of which Wilshire Park is a part (according to a very good source, the Los Angeles Times.)

To respond to some of your points:

• What does it take to be allowed a Wikipedia page as a real "neighborhood"? If a WP:Reliable source refers to any given district as a "neighborhood," or a "district," then I have been listing them at List of districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles. If they have enough information that can be found in WP:Reliable sources, then somebody might write a separate article about them, or a separate article might already have been written.

• WP is identified by Thomas Brothers Guides, by our Neighborhood Council (Greater Wilshire), by the Office of Historic Resources. As odd as it may appear, Wikipedia uses for the most part only secondary sources, not primary. Read all about it at Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary and secondary sources. This is to assure that the subject of the article is indeed WP:Notable (that is, people are taking note of it). This is a stricture that many folks have difficulty in comprehending.

• What is the criteria for suppressing a page like the WP page? The page is not "suppressed." It is simply redirected to another page where cited information about Wilshire Park can be found. Anybody can add additional information there with, of course, neutral, reliable sources. If there are enough sources (that is, a lot of places where folks are talking about Wilshire Park), then a larger article can be written.

• Can the editor be banned from interfering further, based on the past and current incidents? Yes, there is a procedure to have any such editor called to account, but it would be better (in my opinion) to concentrate on encyclopedia-article writing.

I hope this helps. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:40, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Wilshire Park MIA

Hi BeenAroundAWhile, thank you for the notice on the merger discussion for Wilshire Park, Los Angeles. I just checked in on it and discovered the entire article has disappeared — into a draft format by Ronhjones. I tried reverting it back to the non-draft article, but couldn't. Can it be retrieved? If so can it also be protected? Perhaps beyond even autoconfirmed editors for a cooling off period? Thanks, Look2See1 t a l k → 08:05, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

It looks like some other editors are working on this, so the new draft will go through the normal approval process. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. I am editing the article according to the information you have provided, and I am slogging through a manual that is a little easier to deal with for a new user. It is submitted for review, and I am continuing to add legitimate references while it goes through process. However another user seems to be poised to remove/redirect/delete it again. How do I get some protection proactively? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobOfAllTrades (talk • contribs) 15:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the tidy-up. I want to fix the "multiple issues," but am a little confused about what the "original research" issue is and the reversion of the tags. Could you please explain so I can fix? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobOfAllTrades (talk • contribs) 21:42, 29 March 2016 (UTC) BobOfAllTrades (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, again. It would be better to ask a similar question in the Talk page of that article. Right now I am working on another project. From the editing you have done over there, you seem to want to do the right thing, and I hope you stick around to work on other articles with which you might have an interest, but not a direct connection. Once you learn the ropes, perhaps you'd like to lend your talents as an editor and a writer to some of the other areas in Wikipedia? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

And thank you - you have taught me a lot, and I appreciate your time. I really am trying to wrap my head around this but with only limited results. Writing is not really my long suit, as you can tell, and it was kind of you to suggest that I continue. My "direct connection" as it is called has been deliberately suppressed in the latest revision, I have added many new sources including from the LA Times, and deleted anything that could reasonably be considered subjective or poorly cited, but it is still being flagged. It is no different in tone, content or citations than pages for analogous named communities like Hancock Park, Windsor Square, Los Angeles, Miracle Mile, Los Angeles and many others. It feels like being told "Bring me the broom of the Wicked Witch of the West." I will, however, do as you suggest and ask this question of all the editors of the article. BobOfAllTrades (talk) 03:00, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Haight-Ashbury diggers ref

This YouTube clip appears to be from the PBS "Summer of Love" documentary used as a reference for the Diggers paragraph and the statements by Peter Berg and Peter Coyote pretty much support the text in the article. Rupert Clayton (talk) 04:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. Ir would be good to leave a note on the talk pave over there. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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You are probably right. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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I don't have a CLUE what this is all about. Never seen this image before. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Russia and homophobia

Hi, my intention in highlighting that Russian public opinion survey in the Pussy Riot article was to give a cultural context to their LGBT advocacy. In the West we have undergone a major cultural shift in the past 50 years; LGBT people are generally accepted and most of us have at least got to the point of acknowledging that someone's personal life is their own business. Russia hasn't gone through this cultural shift, so PR's LGBT advocacy is quite shocking to conservative Russians and was probably a factor in the conservative backlash leading to the anti-gay advocacy laws. I think the article is better if some cultural context is given, and the public opinion survey is one way to do this. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:54, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for writing, and for being polite. I appreciate it. Please simply restore the information, with a source. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

James Greer McDonald

Can you explain in more detail your reasoning behind the revert? 'we don't need this level of detail' makes no sense. The birth day of the person is already in the article, so the 'level of detail' is already there, I simply made it more consistent with other biographical articles. For a simple example, look at the Deaths in 2016 list, and you will note that every single article, large and small, consistently does the same thing with birth and death dates. Why on earth would this particular biographical article fall outside of the norm. Omegastar (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Because to my knowledge there is no guideline, or policy, demanding that exact birthdates be placed in the lead of the story. I think you can agree that the main thrust of a lead should be the MAJOR details of a person's life, not the exact date the person was born, which teh reader can find later on. All people are really interested in at first glance is the time period that the subject lived. I am sorry that other articles have the exact birthdates, but I am not watching those. If you can find a policy that REQUIRES the exact birth dates, I would be happy to be notified. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Here is the policy: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biographies#Opening_paragraph. Specifically, point 2, "Dates of birth and death, if known". The examples given below all provide the day of the month of the year, with the only exception being lack of knowledge of said day or the month of the year. Since that knowledge is not lacking for the birthdate of James Greer McDonald, it should be included in the lead. Omegastar (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

That is a guideline, not a policy, and I don't happen to agree with it. Cramming specific birthdates into a lead is simply cramming too much extraneous information into it, and I am sure you can see my point. Still, I appreciate your looking up this guideline. Doesn't change my mind about good composition though. I really can't see the point of taking a perfectly good sentence and adding a few words that destroy its flow. But it is your decision. Good luck with your editing. Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Edits to La Canada Flintridge page

Just wanted to further clarify my edits to the La Canada page to avoid any back an forth. Sport Chalet's source page shows it closure, the wording was been adjusted to reflect this as requested on the talk page. Delphi Academy of Los Angeles is a dead link, I had removed it. Also it seems that La Crescenta-Montrose percentages didn't add up (66+20+20 > 100). I had updated the percentages to reflect the referenced source to match. I would appreciate it if instead of simply reverting edits you check out the talk page or the referenced sources. If any of my edits look unclear, or if I am making any assumptions you think are wrong I would love to hear why you think these edits are incorrect and see if there is a better solution. Thanks! Apriestofgix (talk) 20:17, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I am more of the WP:BRD kind of editor. In other words, revert first and discuss only if there is an objection. But I see your point. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:28, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

All good! I know you're just looking out for the health of the page, so no hard feelings. Thanks for the cleanup you're doing right now. Cheers! Apriestofgix (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Re: About my contributions

Just curious, can you got back to my talk page again? I'm a little confused about the part where my contributions were unacceptable because they cannot accept "original research." I just renamed some pages because some of the channel names were changed by the NPO. Any thing that has to do with this, please let me know. I didn't do anything wrong or did any additional changes towards most of the context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20chances (talk • contribs) 22:09, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

OK. I will get over there sometime today or tomorrow. Cheers! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

So I should just revert the edits that were considered unaccepted due to the lack of any sourced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20chances (talk • contribs) 11:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

LA

Re: [1]: I know the rules. You may have noticed this was a VOA, and there is a guideline for that. Drmies (talk) 12:03, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I did not notice that the account had been flagged. Anyway, the query by this person seemed to be a legitimate one, just expressed in a not-very-artful way. I would have no great objection is you were to remove it again, if you think it best.Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:33, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply

I got those information from other Wikipedia articles, and the references that I have provided comes from the various online articles published by the various news agencies and some of them are from reputable entertainment magazines. Just wondering why did you ask me for that question because I am very surprised that you would be interested to know my reasonings behind it. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 04:39, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I am interested in helping out new editors. So, anyway, just for your information — be sure to keep all the messages on the same page. Good luck with your writing! Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 13:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Inadvertent duplication of paragraph

Just an FYI: On an edit you made last month to Mail Online, it appears that you inadvertently duplicated a section here It appears that someone just removed the duplication. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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References and further reading

I just have to speak to you about this edit which is rather misguided. Further reading is for sources that may be of interest to the reader but have not been used to provide information to construct the article. In this particular article that is obviously not the case because the works listed have all been cited multiple times in inline references. Even when references have not been cited inline, it is possible that they could still be general references. The distinction between general references and further reading is important. According to WP:FURTHER general references are subject to the external links guideline whereas general references are not. This could potentially lead to sources being inappropriately removed for not meeting the WP:ELNO restrictions.

There is no "normal" style for referencing on Wikipedia, multiple styles are acceptable. See WP:CITEVAR and WP:STYLEVAR which proscribe arbitrarily changing acceptable styles. See also WP:FNNR which explicitly allows various section heading names. The style used in the article in question has certain advantages. Where a references is cited multiple times, but to different pages, the full reference need only be entered once in the bibliography and shortened references with the specific page number can be placed inline. It also has the advantage that the bibliography can be sorted alphabetically by author, especially helpful if the list is very long. There is no doubt that this style is accepted at even the highest level of quality scrutiny on Wikipedia; I have written a number of articles using this style that have become Featured Articles and appeared on the main page. For instance, see Mechanical filter. SpinningSpark 10:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I have no problem and accept that you have done a lot of research. Best wishes, and keep up the good work. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 14:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Marie Lloyd

Please do not do that again. If you have a problem or seek clarification, either fix it yourself or ask on the talk page, don't just mindlessly tag a featured article. Thank you. Cassianto^Talk 05:13, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Cassianto: while I agree that Featured Articles should be edited with care, that does not mean they should not be edited at all, or even tagged. In this particular case I think the tag was justified, maybe to the extent that I am considering reinstating it myself. The meaning of the tagged phrase "earned her an extended audience" in the lead isn't clear, it isn't in the body of the article (and is therefore uncited), and the year given (1919) contradicts the year given for perfomance of the song in the body (1918). The editor had raised a valid issue which did not deserve this rather bad-tempered response. SpinningSpark 08:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Have people lost the ability to discuss things anymore? Is that how we communicate now, through tagging? There are 30 people watching the page, some of whom may be qualified to answer such curiosities. I'm confident that this editors question could have been answered more timely if they had've had the common courtesy to start a thread on the talk page rather than tagging questionable text. Again, this is a featured article and deserves a bit more respect. You and BeenAroundForAWhile might think it's OK to deface an FA with unsightly templates but frankly, I don't. Cassianto^Talk 15:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

It's perfectly normal to tag problems in articles and you should try not to take it so personally. You do not seem to be disputing that there is a problem, and I take it you are not in a position to fix it (presumably you would have done so already if you could) hence the tag is valid and usefully draws the attention of those that might be able to do something about it. It is not always necessary to open a talk page thread if the isssue is obvious. Certainly for a banner template, or where the issue is complex, the tagger should explain him/herself on the talk page, but this case does not seem to call for it. Thirty watchers is actually a very low number, there are more than that watching my user page, and the number who are actually actively reading recent edits is much lower—in single figures. SpinningSpark 16:03, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you think tagging an article is "fixing" the problem, or simply passing it on to someone else? I do not think there is a problem; the text is obvious when it says her audience grew. You say: "It is not always necessary to open a talk page thread if the isssue is obvious." If its that sodding obvious, why can't BeenAroundForAWhile be bold and fix it themselves? I also don't see the similarities between your watchers and ML's watchers? I hate to break it to you, but ML is a featured article about a Victorian stage performer who led a full and prosperous life within the English Music Hall, whereas your page is a user page where you talk about you and only you. Some of the 30 watchers on ML would be people who know about the subject and who have the sources available to fix things, whereas the watchers on your page are formed of people who like participating in forum discussions and small talk. I don't see the parallel. Cassianto^Talk 17:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

"Mindlessly" is not a nice word, considering all the other words that could be used. I hope you fixed it because I did not understand it. Thanks for your participation in Wikipedia. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Removed "prod" tag

Greetings BeenAroundAWhile, Just dropping you line to inform you that after adding 3 refs., I've removed the prod tag on Frank Gibson, Jr.. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 10:03, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Encino, Los Angeles -- entry revision

The "and" was replaced by "&" in order to add detail that's important while also saving space in a section that is space-limited. JTF17A (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Clair Kenamore and Marguerite Martyn

Might we have distinct articles for each of these, rather than a combined article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I thought about it, but felt they were pretty well identified one with the other in St. Louis at the time. The size of the article is about right, and there won't be any new info, although I do have a couple of photos I will be adding. I have no objection to a WP:Request for comment, though, if you are so minded. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I actually did split them about a week ago. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:23, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the endorsement.

I have worked for months to research the page I created and was very discouraged when someone nominated me to be banned immediately when I haven't even put in the in line article citations yet, and worse yet, by someone who apparently is awarded thoroughly.

I don't think anyone on wikipedia knows as much as I do about the page I wrote, otherwise they would have written the article already. I am certainly open to improving the article and plan to get the citations in line within 24 hours. Everything is cited below, but I haven't been to bed yet tonight (now morning) just to get that far. I hope the mods agree with you, the article is worthwile, and I hope I can learn to write better articles because in that field I am well respected subject matter expert and I think I can contribute a lot and improve a large number of existing articles as well.

I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong, the whole point of wikipedia isn't for one person to get everything perfect immediately, but for the community to work together to act as a system of checks and balances to make the best articles possible.

Thanks for the kind words, Klok kaos (talk) 12:32, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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James Tilden Carroll

Let me look for a third document to see which maiden name of his spouse is correct. I suspect that the marriage index may be a mistranscription of her correct name. If I can find the actual certificate it will have her surname. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like when his son got married, his mother was listed as "Mary Jane Conley". Can you send me a copy of the obituary? His WWI draft says that he was a clerk for the Montana Supreme Court. Yup, his Montana obituary only mentions that he was a clerk for the Montana Supreme Court, and that he moved to California, where he died. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:20, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure why this message is here. I think it belongs at Talk:James_T._Carroll. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:46, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for writing this. I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, I do not live in the L.A. area any more. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Aw, shucks. KDS4444 (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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FYI I reverted your blanking of this redirect. WP:RFD would be the best option if you don't think it should exist. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. It doesn't make that much difference to me, but I appreciate your direction. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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The WP:Prod has been removed. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

West Hills, Los Angeles

Respectfully the source you provided only speaks to median income for the community and makes no statement as to the affluence of the community. Furthermore there is no consensus supporting adding this almost meaningless objective to any community. Honestly this crusade of yours to add this adjective to various communities pages reeks of POV even borderline vandalism. Raitchison (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Your posting here is rather rude and the actual contents thereof more suited to a Talk page about the article in question. It did not make me feel good. But I guess you knew that it wouldn't. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Not only are you adding this to multiple articles, you are re-adding it rather than discussing it. Combine that with this, an RfC that YOU started and which was closed with a concensus NOT to use that set of words, your editing is downright WP:TEND. You need to stop. Pinging BrownHairedGirl, who warned you a year ago about this behavior. John from Idegon (talk) 19:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: I have left a note below.

In leaving that note, I was unaware of the RFC (or maybe I did know, but forgot). Given its clear result, BeenAroundAWhile should refrain from adding this info unless there is a consensus to treat a particular article as an exception to that rule.

This is indeed starting to look very tendentious, with a dose of WP:IDHT added. It's the sort of conduct which would likely incur sanctions if it continues. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Amit Horowitz editing?

In this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ami_Horowitz&diff=766613859&oldid=766613546

You removed an entire chunk of useful info - maybe it'd be better to edit it down instead Test35965 (talk) 04:49, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Please see my comment on the Talk page over there. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Editwar at West Hills, Los Angeles

Hi BeenAroundAWhile

I see that you have been engaged in a slow edit war at West Hills, Los Angeles about inserting the word "affluent" in the lede.

I recall that you have had several similar disputes on other articles about using this word, and I see that the dispute over your preferred use of similar terminology on this page goes back to at least 2013. Please may I remind you to follow WP:BRD? The usage has been disputed, so take it to to the talk page, and seek a consensus.

Thanks --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, BHG. Nice to hear from you. The discussion is now on the Talk page. I have proposed different wording there. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Reply

It's listed on his death certificate, which I wasn't sure was appropriate to link. There's one via TMZ but some editors feel we shouldn't use it as a source. It's cooborated by Find a Grave, with very specific grace location details. Rusted AutoParts 01:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this refers to. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:02, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean? Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Whose death certificate? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

An Afd discussion about ethical journalism, that you might find interesting

Hi BeenAroundAWhile,

There's an Afd conversation about ethical journalism going on right now over at "Delete Ethical Journalism?" that I thought you might find interesting.

Thanks,

Scott P. (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi again,

Another related discussion at Jimbo's talk page that I thought you might find interesting....

Thanks again,

Scott P. (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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I did not add anything. I merely reverted what somebody else had done.

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Right. And that's exactly what was inappropriate (see [3]) and what lead to your block. Yamla (talk) 11:03, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wikibullying

Please refrain from the bullying. Your behavior is unconstructive. I would be happy to discuss any disagreements or changes in process you would like to see but deliberately altering a WP article to make a point is malicious.

-- MC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.131.2.3 (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about. Can you be more specific? It would help if you posted a link to an instance of whatever it is. Your message was quite upsetting to me. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Talk page

Please take your edits to scientific method to the talk page. Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 20:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Normally I follow WP:BRD unless I am uncertain. I am an editor, not a scientist, so if there is any Revert I am glad to engage in discussion as you have requested. I hope my edits don't do an injustice to the science. Thank you for your kind attention to the articles I am checking over for good grammar, word usage, and understandability, and I would prefer that any interested person tell me what the problems are on the talk pages of the articles, and they can certainly be corrected in the spirit of amiability. Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Your last two changes introduced errors to the article. Please refrain from additional edits until your proposals are acceptable. No more errors in the article, please. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 23:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, as I mentioned above, I follow WP:BRD. Thanks for your message. I look forward to your reverting the scientific mistakes. We are all ignorant, only about different things. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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A recent edit of mine was reported as vandalism, and I want to clear some things up. Someone had vandalized the page to say Bill Scott had died in 1995, as opposed to 1985 when he actually did. I have included a source to alleviate the confusion and I apologise for any disruption. Bob Greenlake —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

That's OK. I was hasty; I simply noticed there was no Edit summary. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:11, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Your removal of the image File:TrumpPence20logo.png from Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2020 was for incorrect purposes. While, indeed, it resembles the 2016 campaign logo, it is not the same logo. This is the logo that has been used on the vast majority of the 2020 campaign's materials as so far, thus it is to be considered their current logo until a new one is released. SecretName101 (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

"Incorrect purposes"? I am sure you mistyped. How do you know my purpose, other than because I thought it was not a correct logo? Surely you have read WP:Assume good faith, have you not? Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:58, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Please see Talk:The Father of Hollywood#De-prod. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry. I should have taken off the tag. Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Can the tag refimprove be removed? Can you point out what sentences need better referencing. I might be able to help! Prost! Triplecaña (talk) 10:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I removed the tag but marked the article for WP:Deletion. The sources cited are broken or are not WP:Reliable. Thanks. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:07, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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I'm just curious how you don't find an official source from the network it aired on AND an official video from the network it aired on as a non-reliable source??? TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, the sources are biased, not neutral. [4] Just a lot of fluff. Thanks for asking. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 08:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. That's a beautiful drawing, but did the article specifically say that the costumes were used in a pantomime? They look more like Edwardian musical comedy costumes to me. Pantomime costumes are usually way over-the-top. Thanks for any advice. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

It said "pantomime." Obviously not the old kind of mime. Probably just a silent parade of models. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Playa Vista, Los Angeles

Hi there..

A vandal by the name of Non3up keeps deleting content from various pages. Playa Vista, Los Angeles is one of them. Then, if you look at Playa del Rey, Los Angeles ‎and Ramón Nomar.

Can you report him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.178.163.208 (talk) 02:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

101.178.163.208 It's not vandalism if I reverted a few of your edits due to them being unconstructive and asked you to explain them on the talk page. You added new content to an article yet got reverted thus is natural that you follow WP:BOLD. You refused to use the talk page many times, I think you should start making use of it. (N0n3up (talk) 13:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC))

Non3up, it's natural that you take it to talk. Just because you don't feel comfortable with it, doesn't mean that I or User:Beenaroundawhile should not edit the page. Learn to assume good faith. Beenaroundawhile, once again thanks for your help.101.178.163.208 (talk) 05:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, this chatter doesn't belong on my page, but on the Talk page at Playa del Rey. Happy editing, anyway. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

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I've now incorporated that into the citations. TJRC (talk) 21:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi BeenAroundAWhile, I saw your RFC @ H.J. Whitley. Have you thought about having a chat with the Reliable Sources as well. They are pretty decent, for the most part. Hope that helps. scope_creep (talk) 07:13, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I believe User:Whitleyfamily is amenable to doing the right thing at this point. Thanks for your attention to this. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:02, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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Illustrated Daily News

I'm starting to think there's a bit much about the earlier Daily News. Could you consider spinning it off into its own article?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the suggestion. There are only three paragraphs about the earliest newspaper called Los Angeles Daily News, and I can't find any more info, so a separate article would be awfully short. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:17, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

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The paragraphs you removed look they should be easy to find citations for; give the tags a few days; I'll work on it later. Dicklyon (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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List of notable people photographed by Takuma Kajiwara

Hi, just wondering if there is a reason you split this list out of the Takuma Kajiwara article? That article isn't too long, which would be the normal reason to split. Perhaps there is something about his photogrpahs of these people that makes them more notable than the photographer, hence justfying an article all to themseleves?--Pontificalibus 18:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't mind if you combine the two again. You have a good point. I split them because the original gallery was way too long, encompassing as it did every single Kajiwara photo that could be found. That's not the purpose of WP. There is discussion in the Talk page over there. If you want to put a smaller gallery into the main article, limited to Notable people, just mention it on that Talk page so there is a record. Thanks so much! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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your question.

you can find them at the 2010 census references. Every edit has a summary. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, again. Your Edit summaries don't give the full story. Why are you making all these petty changes without any discussion? They are all breaking the flow of the sentences without any necessity for them anyway. Please stop for a while & get WP:Consensus as to whether they should be done at all. Thank you. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• You're being obstructionist. If you look at the percentages they are based on occupied housing units, but that figure is not in the demographics. I will stop. Please start the process of more eyes on these edits, I will flag the talk page that pointed out the error. I expect YOU to fix the rest since you think I shouldn't. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• By the way, I've gotten as far as Inyo county, please start after that. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. I am hurt by your word "obstructionist." I don't know why you would take it upon yourself to make all those changes, but I suppose you thought you were doing the right thing. Where would you suggest a dialogue on this matter be carried out? Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Todd Starnes Profile

Hi BeenAroundAWhile, thank you for your note!

We reviewed more than once what's currently on Todd's page. We are trying to NOT make any changes in the sections that have been previously added (contributed) by others on this page, despite some editing and factual errors there.

We only added a list of accomplishment with the respective references from reputable sources, linking directly (hyperlink) on their Wikipedia page and sourcing it with the respective LIVE factual pages on internet. Our intention is to contribute and make this page as factual as possible.

I would really appreciate if you could review and reconsider the following additions to this profile, which only aim is to add factual data. Again without detracting any previous inputs/contributions. Note: in each of the sections below, we have all external sources and urls to everything we quote:

Lecture circuit Starnes regularly gives speeches at political gatherings, such as the Heritage Foundation, Young America’s Foundation, Reagan Ranch Center, Values Voter Summit and the Faith and Freedom Coalition. He has also spoken at The Billy Graham Library and The Billy Graham Training Center at The Cove. Starnes has also delivered speeches at a number of Christian universities and colleges - including Liberty University, California Baptist University, the Master’s College, West Coast Baptist College and North Greenville University. He has delivered commencement addresses at Toccoa Falls College and Truett McConnell University. In 2016 Starnes was selected to deliver the Ray Newman Ethics and Religious Liberty Lecture at Truett McConnell University. In 2018 he was a guest speaker at the Spiritual Leadership Conference in Lancaster, California. Starnes has also spoken in a number of churches across the nation including the Bayside Church in Sacramento, First Baptist Church in Dallas, Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida, Skyline Church in San Diego, Lancaster Baptist Church in Lancaster, California, and First Baptist Church Atlanta.

He has been a regular featured speaker at the annual meeting of the National Religious Broadcasters. In 2017 Starnes conducted an interview with Dr. James Dobson to commemorate his 40 years of broadcast ministry. Starnes has also been a regular speaker at the Watchmen on the Wall Conference in Washington, D.C. In 2016 Starnes was featured as a keynote speaker along with Michelle Malkin and Dinesh D’Souza at the Oregon Liberty Alliance Freedom Rally in Portland.

Awards & Honors Starnes is the recipient of an Associated Press Mark Twain Award for Storytelling. He is also the winner of a regional Edward R. Murrow Award by the Radio and Television News Directors Association. The National Religious Broadcasters honored Starnes with its Board of Directors Award. First Liberty Institute’s “Defender of the Faith” award, Vision America’s “National Hero of the Faith” award, Bott Radio Network’s “Watchman on the Wall” award and Pacific Justice Institute’s “Light in Media” award. In 2017 Starnes was inducted into the Roaring Lamb’s Hall of Fame - an honor also bestowed upon Lt. Col. Oliver North, John Wooden, and S. Truett Cathy.

Radio Station Events Starnes frequently makes appearance at radio station events around the nation. In 2017 he launched his “Deplorables Guide to Making America Great Again” Tour in St. Louis at KFTK. Several hundred listeners attended the book signing. He was also the keynote speaker at a sold-out event at the Uptown Theater in Wichita, Kansas hosted by KNSS Radio and Bott Radio Network. In 2013 Starnes was the guest speaker at KPEL Radio’s “Night of Conversation.” That same year he headlined with Ann Coulter at WOWO’s town hall gathering in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Starnes typically arranges his book tours to include stops in cities where his radio show and commentaries are broadcast. Among the stations he’s visited are KOA in Denver, KFBK in Sacramento, WREC in Memphis, WERC in Birmingham, WOAI in San Antonio, KTRH in Houston and WDUN in Gainesville, Georgia.

Fox News & Commentary In 2011 Kevin Magee, the senior Vice President for Fox News Radio, asked Starnes to consider writing and hosting three daily short form features for Fox News Radio. The one-minute commentaries were the brainchild of Hank Weinbloom, Fox News Radio’s managing editor. The idea was to broadcast items of national interest covering news, politics, and entertainment - with a dose of humor and satire. The commentaries were launched on a handful of radio stations on November 11, 2007 and quickly become one of the largest radio commentaries in the nation. Today, more than 520 radio stations broadcast the daily commentaries including WOAI - San Antonio, WREC - Memphis, KUFO - Portland, Oregon, KRMG - Tulsa, Oklahoma, KPRC - Houston, WIBC - Indianapolis, KFTK - St. Louis, KNSS - Wichita and KPEL - Lafayette, Louisiana. American Family Radio and Bott Radio Network also broadcast the daily commentaries. A number of radio broadcasters and listeners have compared Todd’s commentaries and broadcasting style to the late Paul Harvey. Tony Duesing, the program director at KNSS said, “Todd’s commentaries resonate with our radio listeners, what Todd says matters to them. He’s not just reporting on a news story, but going beyond that to pull emotional strings. Very similar to what the late Paul Harvey would do with his listeners.”

Thank you again for your attention,

TPDNYC (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I moved this to Talk:Todd_Starnes, so take a look over there and let us know (over there) what are your sources. We will try to get this article whipped into shape. Yours, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hello again. I left a message before about your reverting the geographic boxes that I so meticulously added to Los Angeles neighborhoods, puzzling over Thomas Guides and that big wall map that some newspaper publisher (I forget which) was selling about ten years ago (I paid for it). I never received a reply from you. Now I see that you have moved everything over to a discussion group on another page. It would have been nice had you notified me on my Talk page when this was done. I find it all very upsetting, and at my age I don't need to be upset any more than I have to be. If you "pinged" me, as you stated on the other page, well, I don't know what "ping" means, and I never got any message if that's what pinging implies. Anyway, as I said before, I would just like the geographic boxes to be left where they are because they serve a useful purpose fully in line with the purposes of Wikipedia. I don't keep my eye on your Talk page as much as I should to read any replies, but it would have been very neighborly if you had simply left me a note on my own page about your plans for a round-robin concerning this matter. This is Wiki-courtesy if nothing else, or should I say just "courtesy," as I learned in the second grade in Inglewood City Schools. I am particularly incensed because of all the work I put into not only the L.A. neighborhood articles, developing a very large number of them myself, from scratch, particularly those in the previously uncovered area of South and Central Los Angeles (I started in San Pedro and ended in Sunland-Tujunga), but also the research and writing about Los Angeles City Council members going back to the earliest days as well as the pages on the City Council itself and all the early L.A. elections. You might also consider my article on the Ku Klux Klan in Inglewood, which unveiled an unsavory facet of local history that I had heard about as a youngster but had never been fully explained, but now it is. It is a true slap in the face. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 12:19 am, Yesterday (UTC−8)

I moved your novella over to your own page. It is rather disingenuous of you to say - in December - that you were unaware of the topic being moved to “Template talk:Adjacent communities" and yet you added to that discussion at that location back in October.

Please keep the discussion centralized at Template talk:Adjacent communities.

And don't bring up the Klan again.Phatblackmama (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I am puzzled by what I feel to be a peremptory directive. I am rather proud of all my work, as I am sure all Wikipedians are proud of theirs. (I took the photo of the gravestone, too.) But I will avoid that topic in any further message directed your way, though not necessarily any message sent to others. As for those dates, I accept what you said, so I guess I just forgot about the interchange and I didn't follow it afterward. I apologize for any mistakes I made in my actions or my messages. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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Anyway, I hope you have an enjoyable holiday season, and I will be back after the first of the year to continue our conversation. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 08:45, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Again, keep the discussion centralized at “Template talk:Adjacent communities". Phatblackmama (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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