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19 needs improvement

[1]. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

And it seems it's not working for pages with math? I did this manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The snotbot program skips articles if there is a math tag as it can cause problems.
For 7, 17, 19, 25 and 83, it would be easier not to manually go thru them this time. Next time we use list comparer. Any articles on this month's and next month's lists will have to be done manually. This should save us time because those lists have relatively few articles to be done manually. Bgwhite (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Young Global Leaders

Would it be possible to do something with AWB that reverses the surname first vs first name in the 2007 Business section, puts square brackets round them, preview, then rm all those that are then redlinked? I can't use AWB because it is not supported by my platform. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Think you're referring to the 2006 Business section of List of Young Global Leaders. There's probably a find & replace regex that could be written. When you say "rm all those that are then redlinked", do you want to just remove the redlink and leave the plain text, or remove the person's name from the article if they don't have an article in Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The redlink , on review mode, will show which ones don't have Wiki pages, they can then be deleted. If a script can reverse the name/surname order and enclose the result in th square brackets, I'll do the rest manualy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง. Done. It took 30 seconds to think up the regex, so it was no big deal. I finished any stubborn ones off manually. Bgwhite (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks enormously for that. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

RFC

This is a neutral request for comments, regarding the status of WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-30

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20:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Ruby Red(album)

You removed the iTunes link in the external links section of Ruby Red(album), yet I've done it for most of the other albums I've created and it's never been removed.--Mjs1991 (talk) 07:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Mjs1991 iTunes, Amazon and other sales sites are not to be used. Wikipedia is not here to show where the reader can buy something. This is called linkspam. iTunes can be used if it is referencing something specific, such as release date. There are so many articles and so few people checking on articles. I arrived at Ruby Red because a syntax checking program said there was an error on the page, but there wasn't. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Checkwiki on Labs

Hi, great to see that someone is moving Checkwiki on Labs.

A few quick comments and suggestions :

  • Could you also port checkwiki_bots.cgi (not only checkwiki.cgi) ? It's a version better suited for bots and tools than the UI: it's easier to parse, allows more things (especially for managing the articles that have been moved or deleted), and its probably faster on some operations (like marking a page fixed). I wrote a first version of the script, which SK put in production on the toolserver. The version currently deployed has a bug, I fixed in on github, but never managed to get SK to deploy it. WPCleaner uses this for its interaction with the toolserver.
  • I asked a long time ago if Checkwiki could use more configuration in the translation file (a proposal on the same kind of things), so that each wiki is free to adapt rather than having to modify the checkwiki scripts (for example, the list of templates that can replace a <references>...</references> should be configurable by each wiki without asking the developers). See for example, the list of extra parameters that WPCleaner can handle in the translation file.
  • A bunch of additional errors.
  • Managing a whitelist, see whitelistpage.
  • ...

I will look at this more thoroughly when I can, but that's great news :-)

--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I've moved over your suggestions to the discussion page so I can keep track of everything.
Didn't know who used checkwiki_bots.cgi as AWB uses checkwiki.cgi. Having it running before the new checkwiki goes "live" is a must do.
I agree with your other suggestions. I've thought about a whitelist/blacklist for each wiki, but didn't know how I'd do that. Looks like you know how, so I'll be bugging you on that.Bgwhite (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I will post on the discussion page from now on. I'd be happy to help by answering questions :-) --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 17:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-31

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  • The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 25. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 29, and on all Wikipedias on August 1. [9]
  • Wikivoyage was offline for around 40 minutes on July 24. [10]
  • Pywikipediabot moved their code from SVN to git; bot owners need to update their tools. [11]
  • The Notifications and Thanks extensions were added to Meta-Wiki on July 26; other wikis will get them soon. [12]
  • It is now possible to add edit summaries on Wikidata using the API; the feature will be added to user interface soon. [13]
  • The software that resizes large PNG images on all wikis was changed on July 25. Resizing of PNG files bigger than 35 megapixels should be faster and more reliable now. [14]
  • Three new webfonts (Gentium, Old Persian and Shapour) will be added to Universal Language Selector. [15], [16], [17]
  • Special:MIMESearch, which gives a list of files by type, will be enabled on all Wikimedia wikis with MediaWiki version 1.22/wmf12 (bug #13438). [18]
  • A mailing list to discuss multimedia features was started; users are encouraged to sign up.
  • VisualEditor news:
    • On July 24, VisualEditor was added for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias; it will be added for all users on those wikis on July 29. [19]
    • A preference to completely disable VisualEditor while it is in beta phase was added on July 24. [20]
    • Many bugs were fixed in right-to-left languages. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]
    • It is possible again to scroll down in the template editing window (bug #51739).
    • VisualEditor now works with the FlaggedRevisions extension. (bug #49699)
    • If the user opens VisualEditor using a section edit link, the title of the section is added to the edit summary (bug #50872).
    • Invisible templates now can't be deleted by accident or on purpose (bug #51322).

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20:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

cswiki

Hi! Thank you and those other workers for new Checkwiki. Since the project is very important for cswiki (or at least for me), you can also notificate me, G3ron1mo and Frettie about anything around the project in the future at cswiki. (I have been watching changes since they started. Came from holidays and saw changes... Wow!) In the future, we can also help with Checkwiki (at least hint you or disscus). Thank you again. Matt S. (talk | cont. | cs) 13:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Request

Hello, I see you're an administrator. Would it be all right for me to be granted Rollback? I know I haven't been here long but I see from its explanation and instances where used that it is far better for dealing with examples such as this. I know not to use it against someone with whom you disagree or for anything other than outright vandalism. Cheers. The Big Hoof! (talk) 17:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The Big Hoof!: You will have to apply at Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback. I'm not familiar with the admin guidelines of granting or not granting rollback rights.
You don't need rollback for the example you gave as you can "undo" the edit. Also, rollback can only be used on the most edits to a page where a user has made two or more edits in a row. Bgwhite (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Aha, got your drift. Thanks for the link, I'll give it some thought. Cheers Bgwhite. The Big Hoof! (talk) 18:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible bot malfunction

Hi there. This bot operation,diff, seems to be needless and the bot justified it with an edit summary that does not ring true. --Mareklug talk 12:22, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The first part of the edit summary says "WP:CHECKWIKI error fix for #61. Punctuation goes before References". Per the MOS guideline, WP:REFPUNC, references go after punctuation. A period was moved from after a <ref> tag to before it.
Second part of summary says, "Do general fixes if a problem exists." References go in order in which they appear in the article, therefore the swapping of "<ref name=BBC/><ref name=susman/>" Edit summary does exactly what was edit and was done per MOS guidelines. Bgwhite (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Please be more careful

Numerous time in the last few months you have made ill-considered edits to articles I have an eye on. [27][28][29]. In one case you made the same format-scrambling edit twice, despite my intervening reversion and despite a comment embedded in the article source warning that the formatting is tricky. In another [30] you inserted <br/>,, whereas today (apparently having changed you mind) you've been going around removing it. Please take the time to preview changes and, where appropriate, compare the results to the previous version. If that means slowing down, so be it. EEng (talk) 04:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing up errors from 8 months ago and thanks for being snarky. Haven't a clue by your meaning "whereas today (apparently having changed you mind) you've been going around removing it". Why don't you follow guidelines, then people wouldn't have to fix/mess your stuff. Per WP:FONTFAMILY, you are not allowed to change fonts. Font size is not supposed to go below 87% (size of the <small>). This is for accessibility reasons. Poems are not to be italicized. Poem titles are, but not the poem. The reason I keep visiting your article is <i> tags are not to be used. You are supposed to use Wikimarkup. Bgwhite (talk) 04:59, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Very persuasive arguments by Bgwhite. --Tito☸Dutta 07:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
They're very persuasive if you don't actually look at the edits at issue, or think about the difference between people who carefully judge what improves an article, and someone who blindly run around with some mindless automated script enforcing general guidelines as if they were rigid requirements. And where is it stated -- as a requirement (not "best to avoid") -- that < i > should not be used? EEng (talk) 14:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Having received no response I am forced to the conclusion that you don't even know the basis of the silly "rules" you imagine you are improving Wikipedia by enforcing. Stop mass-changing articles using blunt tools you don't understand. EEng (talk) 03:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
EEng Or maybe I've haven't been around much and didn't notice you left a message. Somebody left another message right after you. Oh look, it took 17 days for you to respond to me... Guess I don't get the same common courtesy.
You are now down to making threats and rude comments, you don't really care do you? Just as long as you make a point.
If you would have actually read an edit summary, you would have had your answer. Wikimarkup should only be used where possible. Not everybody knows html. We are supposed to be nice to beginners. Sometimes wikimarkup cannot be used, such as <table> and <li> in some infoboxes. MOS:MARKUP.
Now, don't ever leave a message on my talk page again. I don't like dealing with rude *****. Bgwhite (talk) 06:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

notei um erro

caro usuário notei um erro na sua pagina criada doki advetures tinha conteúdo de jelly jam e ainda em portuguesMatheus de Sousa Lopes 01:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matheus de Sousa Lopes (talk • contribs)

Barun Biswas

Greetings, please read this and this Times of India articles. (now, since a film has been made on his life, considering the person now passes Wikipedia notability guidelines, I have started writing Barun Biswas), a) If you feel sympathetic towards this lion heart guy and b) you have some time in hand, you can add few lines in the article to expand it. --Tito☸Dutta 07:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm stuck or I'm being stuck?

Hey Bgwhite, I don't know whether you want to be involved or not but I want your comments at ANI-notice, please read all the comments and help me if I'm wrong. Thanks and waiting for your response. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 15:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks B for your comments, I really never wanted to create this problem and involved myself into this mess, it's just happened you know me. Now I just want to get over with it and go on very well and maturely. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 05:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
@Captain Assassin!: All I can ask of anyone is to learn from their mistakes. I'm a different editor than I was when I started. I've learned from some mistakes, repeat others and make brand new mistakes. From your talk page, it looks like you have been in "conflict" over movies and redirects for awhile. No matter the ANI outcome, I don't think you should do anything in that area for a few months. Take a break and go into another area. When you do come back to movies, go slowly and ask questions. Movies is an area where editors are more "passionate". People can relate to a move alot more than history, for example. I'm not familiar with any of the editors that has been repeatably posting on your talk page. I do know Lugnuts from the ANI page. Lugnuts is an excellent editor and I would listen to what they have to say. Lugnuts is a great person to ask questions to. If you feel frustrated or editors are bogging you down, you can always leave me a message. Bgwhite (talk) 07:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes I know Lugnuts tried to help me at ANI but others...I don't know what to do know, actually I made mistakes with moving redirects and that's it. I apologized to them for that and told them that I'll never do that again but they are sticking to ban redirect topic and indefinite blocking. I think your idea is good to ban topic for some time so that I can stop from creating redirects for that period and then do it after learning and asking someone like Lugnuts. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 07:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Are you going?

here? --Tito☸Dutta 10:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Update template too?

I guess we should update Template:CWerror to link to the Labs or not yet? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it is only used on the AWB_and_CHECKWIKI page. So, yea, sounds like a good idea. I'll do it while you are busy vacationing.
The latest fun on Labs... They don't copy dumps over until everything is done. So, enwiki still wouldn't have been copied over. dewiki has been running since 07/27, so it wouldn't have been copied over yet. Labs thinks that the 9 days between dump ends/checkwiki runs till the next dump starts up is plenty of time. Oh, checkwiki taking days to run on the queue is because of checkwiki's bad code and it running Perl. Yea, that explains why it takes 15 hours to run on my laptop and days on the queue. I should report the queue taking a long time to Bugzilla because they aren't away of the problem. Morons. I have run out of patience. Bgwhite (talk) 07:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
They told me things will get better as some as devs are back from Wikimania. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Url updated :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Benjamin F. Randolph

See Difference between revisions: Take a look at the references section - EVERYTHING is false, in big fat red letters. It is not necessary to order refs as they appear in article. If links contain _ - it doesn't matter, and if you do it, then do it completely... --Frze (talk) 21:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Requesting an edit

Hello! I would be very grateful if you could cast your cold, harsh robotic lenses over this article lichen planus. Thank you!

（Is there a way to get article review w/out manually requesting it?)LT90001 (talk) 03:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
LT90001 I did the fixes for you. You can always download AutoWikiBrowser, get an approval to edit with it and do your own fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey Magioladitis, these cold, harsh hands were going to let LT90001 squirm for a bit. Remember, we are robots, we don't care about these silly editors.
LT910001, Magioladitis and I don't mind a bit doing individual articles. Bgwhite (talk) 06:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge history

Hello Bgwhite, sorry I did something before asking you and I undid that revision so I can tell you first. An article with title Fifty Shades of Grey (film) was already exist since May 14 but User:The Vintage Feminist created Fifty Shades of Grey (2014 film) lately on August 12. Can you merge the history or ask someone to do it please, because I've seen this that already existed articles history been merged into lately created. Examples are my moved articles like Left Behind (2014 film), histories in those articles were merged. I already asked Lugnut but I don't think if he can merge it, thanks. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 03:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh Bgwhite, this is absolutely wrong...you can see at User talk:Betty Logan and User talk:Lugnuts. This was created by me and Betty Logan just removed it by CSD so he can move the other one. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 07:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
But it already happened to me before, Rusted AutoParts did that with Insidious: Chapter 2, which he created already lately I created it but he redirected mine to his and history merged, with A Million Ways to Die in the West also. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 08:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@Captain Assassin!: The redirects/Speedy deletion messages kept changing. I was having problems keeping which one was what. I got flustered and confused.
When you create a film article, don't include the date in the title unless there is another film with the same name. Bgwhite (talk) 08:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I didn't put the year in the title, it was another user who created it later, I created the article in May with title Fifty Shades of Grey (film). It's just I told you all of it in start. So what we do now? I was going to create it and you just moved it without seeing and checking it first. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 08:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
That's what I was trying to talk about and you just moved it in hurry and wrongly. SO can you make it correct now please? -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 08:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Do something Bgwhite, I've an example of it Left Behind (2014 film), checkout history, I moved it but it was just a redirect. They merged its history so why did you removed my article? -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 08:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • First of all, I want to apologise for losing my cool with Captain Assassin. I could have handled the situation better, but I think the problem goes a bit deeper than a simple misunderstanding about page moves. I don't think it was a case of an inexperienced editor getting the wrong of the stick (he has undertaken a mind boggling number of page moves), but it appears he was actually trying to take the authorship credit for User:The Vintage Feminist's article. I would appreciate you taking a moment to read User_talk:Lugnuts#Merge_history. It appears to have happened before, such as at A Million ways to Die where another editor berates him "You can't just keep jacking articles". I am concerned this editor is undertaken page moves to take the authorship credit of other people's work, and I think it requires some looking into. I think maybe we should consider a page move ban for this editor. Betty Logan (talk) 09:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Why? I'm not moving any pages now, and it was mine which you have taken away. I just saw it already that copy the contents in the existed redirect, it's how it happens. I wasn't trying to take author's credit. Bgwhite can tell you this. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 10:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Further note: This report has just been brought to my attention which pretty much confirms my suspicions. Clearly some kind of sanction is in order? I don't want to see him indeffed, but he's playing havoc with all these page moves, and cut & paste jobs. Betty Logan (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I've told you already that I'm not making any further moves and cuts & pastes, so leave it here. It is done already, nothing's to blame, sorry for my interruption, thanks. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 10:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Bgwhite, I've expressed concern about another copying issue as seen at WT:FILM#History merge. We may need to start a new ANI thread. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


Oi vey. Where to begin.
First off, I became totally confused with the Fifty Shades of Grey film articles. I know I screwed up somewhere up moving/deleting and who knows what else.
I did see the message that was on Lugnut's talk page about this mess.
Ping away... @Betty Logan:, @Erik:, @Rusted AutoParts:, @Captain Assassin!:

Betty, I am aware of his past. At the moment, I'm gravely concerned about what is going on right now.

Betty, Erik and Rusted: Do you have any concerns where the Fifty Shades of Grey film articles currently stand? Also, I did screw up in the move/redirect. If you want it changed in any way, please tell me.

Rusted: You are probably saying, "what in the $#*)%&*# tarnation Assassin". Assassin did make a redirect without asking me, but told me afterword. I will personally block Assassin if he does it again. Unfortunately, Assassin still is editing movie articles. Could you tell me if what he has done recently is ok or not? Besides Grey, do you have any concerns?

Assassin: Drop any concerns you have about the Grey articles. At this point, it is not worth alienating people even more. While not forbidden to do film articles, you have been "encouraged" to not edit them. Both Betty and Erik have very valid concerns with the Grey articles. You screwed up. I HIGHLY yell scream encourage you to stop with the film articles for a few months. People are rightfully mad at your. Give it some time for all tempers to cool. If you do a redirect/move without telling me or Lugnuts, I will personally block you. Why are you on Wikipedia when it was Independence Day? Need to watch fireworks, not create them. Bgwhite (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Fifty Shades of Grey (film) is at the correct page now. Also, the page history shows that it was indeed created by User:The Vintage Feminist in her draft space, which I think is correct, since that is at least where this particular version of the article originated (although I believe there may now be concerns she cut & pasted from the book article). That is at least how I read the situation. To my knowledge Assassin created a redirect and was trying to copy and paste TVF's text over his own redirect, which would have split the author from the article. The article is basically now how it should be, and there is no further action required in respect of this specific article. As far as I can see you didn't mess up any more than anyone else in this debacle: at first I thought it was a genuine misunderstanding, so I explained the process and re-nominated the page under G6, but after Assassin cut & pasted again that's when my temper betrayed me somewhat. Basically at that stage I should have just stepped back and dropped you a note explaining the situation, but in truth I was caught a bit off-guard by the whole thing. Now I'm aware of the history of this editor I'll have a better handle on it. Betty Logan (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for sorting all of this out and sorry if it was a pain. Just to clarify I decided to do an article split and looked up how to do it in the content split section of the article on splitting. I skim read that section and the first line of the next section (saying be bold) and just thought, "Okay got it.", and got on with it. To be on the safe side I did it as a draft and then submitted it (I thought that way if I do make a mistake a more experienced user will just bounce it back to me and tell me what I have done wrong).
Looking again at the article on how to split I can see the key elements that I missed. Retrospectively, I think I was more focused on when to split / not split an article, when I should have paid more attention to the method for doing so.
When it all started to kick-off I decided to just list what I had done and then take a step back and let admins take over. Thanks again.--The Vintage Feminist (talk) 00:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
OK I see what you've done. You used your draft space as an intermediary. That's ok, lots of people do that, so I've added the {{Copied}} template to the talk pages of both articles to indicate where the content originated from. Betty Logan (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
First of all @Bgwhite, you did good, you didn't screw up, I screwed this up. @Erik, I copied the contents at The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (film) without attribution but make it better now you can see, sorry, and I told you I wasn't aware of that so later I explained it when I summarized the adaptation section at The Man from U.N.C.L.E.. If any concerns about copy paste? User:The Vintage Feminist also copied and pasted the section word by word. @Betty I did try to copy and paste but you can read in the start of this discussion that sorry I did something before asking you and I undid that revision so I can tell you first., it's what I told Bgwhite after undid my mistake so don't put that copy and paste on me, Bgwhite can tell this that I undid and sorry to him. Later I was trying to stop you from deleting the redirect so we can discuss in better ways, because in past happened to me with two or three articles, Rusted AutoParts told me that if you have contents you just put in the redirect, don't delete it or move it...etc. He told me that it's his credit because he created the redirect so I was just following him, I thought he is telling me the right thing, It was not me sorry if I tried to snatch The Vintage Feminist's authorship but it was because of that discussion RAP and I had. If you don't believe me you can see by yourself all the past discussions between me and RAP.
@Bgwhite again, sorry for making redirect but as I told I just created it because I thought you were doing wrong at that time (that you are deleting my created redirect, following RAP), I just wanted you to talk first so that we could discuss and if I were wrong I would've back off. You know Bgwhite you will do as you are instructed so I wasn't trying to do anything wrong when I was already under discussions. I just did what I had heard from RAP to just put contents in already existed redirect and don't try to take credit. I'm not making moves or redirects any further Bgwhite, you can see that so if any concerns now please let me know. @Betty, it's what Betty I was trying to tell RAP that I've written the article so I should take the credit but he ignored it and said he created the redirect so I just backed off. It was the reason I was trying to do so, sorry I was wrong (or wrong instructed).
@RAP, sorry I'm not attacking you, I'm just giving my proof here. But if you remember we talked about it for Transcendence (2014 film) and later you also took the credit of A Million Ways to Die in the West, although it was my mistake that I moved it to take authorship (@Betty, if you are talking about authorship) but I added the contents which just got back but I didn't talk about that later because I thought even I added contents but you created the redirect first. In this case, @Betty I was trying to take credit, I really wasn't trying to take authorship of the article's author. Please tell me if I did wrong under that circumstances and instructions I had, and please tell me if I'm making any moves or redirects further after ANI (except the latest one Bgwhite, but it was really mistake and thanks for warning). You can see I'm not making any moves or redirects so if I'm still able to go to ANI @Erik, I'll be good to go, thanks all. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 02:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
It is not about who is credited. It's about undermining the efforts of others. Sure, it takes seconds to make a redirect, but the redirect is a placeholder until the project is a go. To recreate it and move the original in what does seem to be an authorship credit bid is unfair to the others. And I showed you an example of what to do when the project is filming with the fake Rocky 8. You paste the content there. Rusted AutoParts 15:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
But it's what you did to me RAP if you still remember. You said me don't touch redirects just paste the contents in it but Betty is against it. Betty said if someone has written the contents for an article he should have credit for that article and really I'm with Betty at this one. Because after all the efforts someone made to create the contents for an article and if he can't just take the credit for that then it's unfair. It's what I was doing with A Million Ways to Die in the West and Transcendence (2014 film) though my method of taking credit for my efforts was wrong with A Million Ways to Die in the West, but I admitted that. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 17:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
My version is when there isn't one in existence. That's when I use my method. Seeing as Feminist has created one, we must use that one. Rusted AutoParts 17:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
No RAP that wasn't right at all really, an admin told me to create Transcendence at my userspace, when I created that I was going to tell him to move it into an article, you just copied it from my userspace and pasted it at your redirect. This was unfair, you can ask Betty he knows better. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 02:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
No, what's unfair is undermining everyone else. I did that because its how it's done. If there's info, you create te article. If there's a redirect, you paste it into the redirect. Not go move, say Transcendence: The Movie to Transcendence: The Movie (film) so you have have ownership. No one cares who the creator us, just as long as there's an article. But it doesn't make it right to recreate a circle of redirects and confuse/anger editors. Rusted AutoParts 04:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't quite know what's gone on with this other article, put you shouldn't cut & paste out of someone else's userspace. You can cut & paste an article out of your own userspace (which is no big deal, you can do whatever you want with something that you wrote yourself), but if you want to use an article resting in someone else's userspace then you should ask for the redirect to be deleted and for the article to be moved into mainspace, which is what we eventually did with Fifty Shades of Grey (film). Betty Logan (talk) 04:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Bracket Bot

I've decided to opt out of Bracket Bot. I always check for broken wikilinks when each list is finished. Mjroots (talk) 11:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Merthyr Tydfil

Your bot is (accidently) changing the map for Merthyr Tydfil. The message is 'removing links to article within article' but this link is in Template:Infobox UK place and need to be there to pick up the correct map. Twiceuponatime (talk) 07:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@Twiceuponatime: Talk about a case of Deja Vu. Wasn't this brought up on Magioladitis' page?
The only thing that [[Merthyr Tydfil]] appears to do is to make it bold lettering. You can do that with wikicode. I'll say "appears" again, because that is what I saw and may not be what is actually happening. Bgwhite (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
The bolding is a side-effect; the primary purpose is to select certain internal features of the infobox; not just the map. Please see the reply I left at User talk:Yobot#Merthyr Tydfil. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thank you for pointing that out. I thought it was on Magioladitis' page, but couldn't find it. I guess Twiceuponatime is only interested in reverting instead of helping out. I added the nobots template onto the Welsh page so this won't happen again. Bgwhite (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Persondata edits

Greetings Bgwhite, been a while. I'm not complaining but I'm not sure there is value in the persondata changes in this update. I see a lot of users remove the spaces (I do it sometimes myself) so I don't think we should be automatically adding or removing them. Kumioko (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not why I visited the page. But, the correct format for persondata is with spaces. I'd just wish wikidata would take over so persondata can go away. Bgwhite (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
No worries, Personally I think there are a lot of things we should do with the Persondata including the Wikidata. I don't think we should be adding wikilinks there either. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Overzealous WP:CHECKWIKI

Hi,

I've partially reverted your edit to Tar (computing), as one of the changes was to convert a correct double-dash ("--") to an em-dash ("—"). I wanted to let you know so such errors can (hopefully) be avoided in future.

I've now enclosed the double-dash in <code> tags (which it ought to have had already), so hopefully WP:CHECKWIKI won't try to convert them again, but since I don't use that tool, I'm not sure if it'll pick up on that distinction.

—me_and 10:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Using code tags will do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Use of {{FULLPAGENAME}}

Hi, can you help me to understand the reasoning behind this edit? I've already shared my thoughts about <br /> vs. <br> in the above section entitled use of <br>, so here I'm hoping to understand why {{FULLPAGENAME}} was replaced by the actual page name? {{FULLPAGENAME}} ensures that in the event of a page move to a new name, the direct link will continue to work without a redirect (which I think might argue towards use of {{FULLPAGENAMEE}} instead). Thoughts?  —Grollτech (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

That was my mistake. I was trying mightily to us a regular template, such as {{expand list}} for it and also to use plainlinks. I was going to come back later today and get more frustrated by forcing the template. I thought I had undone it the edit. My mistake. I tried some more and I'm more frustrated, so I've restored it. Bgwhite (talk) 20:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for that! I kept trying to think of esoteric reasons, like "expensive parser functions" (it's not) and so on, but was drawing a blank. Thanks again! Now, of course, I've got myself pondering whether {{FULLPAGENAMEE}} is in fact preferable. I keep needing to remind myself that I have more important things to do, LOL!  —Grollτech (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve

Hello, Thanks a lot for your corrections. Cordially. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 09:13, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

use of <br>

Thanks for having a look at List of Scheduled Monuments in Swansea. Contributions and interest are much appreciated. However I notice you changed all the <br /> tags to <br>. As I understand it, the latter is now deprecated (although still seems to work). Certainly Help:List#Line_breaks_inside_list_items says to use <br />, so I have converted them back. Please say if I have got that wrong, and I will sort it out. Thanks, RobinLeicester (talk) 13:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I arrived at the page due to a broken wikilink... ]] was missing from "[[Parc Cwm long cairn#Llethryd Tooth Cave|Llethrid Tooth Cave". :That help page is horrendous and is mentioning some out of date stuff. Wikimedia software recently dropped support for XHTML and is now HTML5 only. In XHTML, a <nowiki><br /> was the mandatory format. HTML5 has <br> as the default format with <br /> as optional. Bgwhite (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Useful info - it is very hard to keep track. The shorter one is also more intuitive. I will switch it back. RobinLeicester (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
At the end of the day, the key takeaway from the HTML5 spec is that while XHTML mandated <br />, HTML5 makes it optional, such that <br />, <br/> or <br> are all valid. That does not, therefore, mean that we should change all occurrences to <br>. I further submit to you that some of Wikimedia's own tools cannot tolerate <br> – most notably Dot's Syntax Highlighter gadget, which fails miserably without the ending "/".  —Grollτech (talk)
So, because someone's not official gadget doesn't support standards, we don't have to either? Sorry, but Dot needs to change their gadget, not the other way around. There are a ton of articles with <br>. <br /> was made optional instead of depreciated for one reason, XHTML. They wanted to give time for people to migrate from XHTML. and then <br /> will be depreciated. There is talk of having Wikipedia's Tidy to convert <br /> to someone's not official gadget, but with the way WMF works, who knows... They will have to have a fundraising drive to make a visual br editor.
I'm not sure I'd characterize it as "someone's not official gadget", since it was either created by, or has been adopted by, the WMF – as is evidenced by the Mediawiki link provided above. Further, the option has been installed at least on the English Wikipedia and is offered as a gadget on every user's Preferences page. Further still, setting aside the WMF's toolset, I would agree with you if <br> was in fact a standard. At present, it is not a standard – it is a default. While the writing may indeed be on the wall for <br />, IMHO it would be presumptive to enforce <br> at this juncture. I tried looking briefly, but didn't find a discussion about Wikipedia Tidy... if you know where those might be lurking, I'd happily say the same there.  —Grollτech (talk) 23:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
So I take it you plan to ignore me, and just plunge forward, changing every occurrence you find, without regard to a logical argument put before you?  —Grollτech (talk) 23:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I have no desire to talk to anyone who has a hissy fit if I don't respond right back within 24-hours. I haven't been on-line for the past 19 hours. Some people are actually busy and/or forget conversations that aren't at the end of the talk page. I haven't responded to the 2nd to last message either. Why are you even bothering with this with my logical argument put before you?
If you are going to continue having a hissy fit, then leave. Otherwise...
You have brought *no* reason why every br tag on Wikipedia has to be <br />. <br> *is* the standard for HTML5. <br /> is optional. Here is the latest draft with no mention of <br />. In fact, you can't get to where it says the optional arguments from that section. Same goes for whatwg's living document. It used to be you could get to the optional tag from the sections. They are deemphasizing it for a reason.
But this doesn't mention Wikipedia. <br> tags are just as valid as <br />. You can't tell anyone to stop using either one or changing either one. I only change them when I'm at the page to edit something else. I'm not going around and just changing the br tag. Bgwhite (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

False positive of CHECKWIKI

I have partially reverted an edit by BG19bot which simply ignored 

<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">

and thus breaking the JavaScript markup... mabdul 09:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

@Mabdul: Thank you for letting me know. This is actually and error on AWB's part. Checkwiki saw there were punctuation marks after references, which it correctly identified. Oh @Magioladitis:, what is AWB's status on editing in <syntaxhighlight> tags?
FYI, one of the near term plans for checkwiki is to get a whitelist up and running. WPCleaner will share the same list. Hopefully this will reduce some of the problems. Bgwhite (talk) 09:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
AWB treats syntaxhighlight tags exactly as code tags as far as I know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Guess not. @Mabdul: I've filed a bug report. Bgwhite (talk) 04:31, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

BTW: nowiki tags in HTML reverted. [31] mabdul 09:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

FixSyntax script

I don't really do the changes with FixSyntax script. I only check if there are changes in the page after I apply FixSyntax. Then I apply general fixes as usual. I guess I(?) need to find time to create a much better script based on the idea of multiple scripts. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:42, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-34;

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

  • The previous version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 15. It was enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 22. [32]
  • The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 22. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 29. [33]
  • You can now use new styles of galleries. Please give feedback to User:Bawolff. [34]
  • You can now visit a random page in a category, for example Special:RandomInCategory/Science. (25931) [35]
  • You can now use the <wbr> HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468) [36]
  • Gadget authors: you can now use the wikipage.content hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the document-ready event (for example using Ajax). (30713) [37]

Problems fixed

  • There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
  • Maintenance reports provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
  • There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077) [38]

VisualEditor news

  • The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
  • You can now edit references that are added inside a <references> block. (51741)
  • You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the button for the <s> tag), lower text ( for <sub>), upper text ( for <sup>), underlined text ( for <u>), computer code ( for <code> and <tt>), math text ( for <math>), Egyptian hieroglyphs ( for <hiero>), and to say that text is in another language ( for lang="ar" dir="rtl"). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
  • You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser. [39]

Future

  • Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites. [40]
  • Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications. [41]
  • Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta. [42]
  • Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis. [43]
  • The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned. [44]

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19:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Community Help

There are a number of people, one of whom has vandalized the Stalking page, as of th 24th, -removing perfectly referenced, material, which was in use on another page word-for word

This material was maliciously vandalized, removed - on the 24th of August, please check the log


- We need some help ~please Dynomitedetails (talk) 23:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: bracket problem

The square brackets you keep removing from the articles I edited represent philological indicators where text is reconstructed rather than directly translated. They are not typing errors. By removing them, you are degrading the text. Please could you reverse your edits so that the reconstructed portions can be identified? The convention is widely used in Assyriology and is described in, for example, Huehnergard's "Grammar of Akkadian", although it is a convention also generally followed in the transliteration and translation of all cuneiform languages. BigEars42 (talk) 00:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I fix over 5,000 pages a month that have bracket problems. You are going to need to be more specific. What pages are you talking about? I can figure out math, chemistry and Egyptology articles that have need for special brackets, but I'm not familiar with Assyriology. Bgwhite (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Eriba-Adad II was one, which I think I've successfully reverted, but I think you degraded others. I suggest you check the source of the "quote" before removing parts of it in the future. A quick glance of the source would have shown all the square brackets exactly in place as reproduced in the article. I have 293 articles edited and I need to go through them to see which you edited. BigEars42 (talk) 00:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
@BigEars42:. I can't check the source of the quote with the tools I'm using. A program is constantly running that spots bracket problems. So the articles will show up on the list again, thus others and I will probably mess up again. Give me another message when I do, so I can learn spot the Assyrilogy article's non-problem with brackets. A white-list ability for the program will be added in the next few months to permanently stop my screwing up in this case. Bgwhite (talk) 05:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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