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DYK hook is too long

Hi, your hook at DYK Yıldırım Aktuna is too long (211 characters when the maximum is 200). I think you could easily shorten it. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 19:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done CeeGee (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Yıldırım Aktuna

On December 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yıldırım Aktuna, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 19:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I understand how much work goes into creating a Did You Know, just like you do! My signature was automatically added since I approved this group to go on the main page. Royalbroil 02:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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11. Günseli Başar  Done 12. Péter Besenyei  Done by RepliCarter 13. Necdet Karababa  Done 14. Semih Kaplanoğlu  Done

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Thanks

Hi CeeGee, thank you very much for your contributions to Orhan Pamuk and Oghuz Turks articles. Best Regards. --Ozguroot (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ozguroot. You're welcome. I wish I could do more. However, WPTR is lacking so much. I try here and there. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Silivri Prison

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Calmer Waters 06:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Şebnem Dönmez

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 Done

50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

		The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Congratulations on reaching the milestone of 50 DYK submissions based on articles you created or expanded. Fantastic! Binksternet (talk) 17:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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Ottoman people by century

Thank you for further working on "Ottoman people by century" categories. I have been working on the equivalents for the Roman and Byzantine Empire, just recently realizing the Ottoman one was being overlooked. Dimadick (talk) 10:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

1967 Kayseri Atatürk Stadium disaster

Hi CeeGee. Can you please try to address the close paraphrasing at 1967 Kayseri Atatürk Stadium disaster? It's been tagged for more than a year. Theleftorium 18:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ottoman history classification.

Thanks for your contribution to the Template:Ottoman (Turkish) battles. However I have some objections on the era classification. Growth didn't continue till 1683. Although Podolia was annexed, most of Caucasus and West Iran had been lost and Barbary states were almost independent . More important than that, Anatolia, the core of the empire was in ruins not to mention the sharp culturalal and economic decline in the 17th century. Why don't you change 1683 to 1596 (Battle of Keresztes) or 1606 (Peace of Zsitvatorok). Have a good day.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You might be interested

You might be intersted in participating in the article Genocide of Ottoman Turks and Muslims Hittit (talk) 13:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Blagoevgrad Province‎

Hi! Based on that, I'll be tagging every country and continent in the world as a Category:Bulgarian communities outside Bulgaria, without forgetting, of course, the planet Earth! :)

Seriously now, there's almost no rationale behind the Category:Turkish communities outside Turkey and its subcats. What is a community? Two people? Ten? A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? 1%? 10%? 51%? I fear such categories are useless and serve nothing but nationalist tagging purposes. Like "Jack was here" grafitti or something. (I'm not saying this is your intention, merely what it looks like.)

I'm willing to tolerate these for Bulgarian cities and villages for now, so long as the inclusion into the category is justified by a significant share of Turks, like at least 20–30%. Tagging provinces doesn't work for me.

In the near future, however, I'll be doing some research and I intend to nominate Category:Turkish communities outside Turkey and its subcats for deletion, along with any other similar categories that I encounter. I simply don't think they contribute to the encyclopedia, especially the way they are being used.

Best, Todor→Bozhinov 14:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Turkey

Turkey' maddesine turk-dusmani ermeni ve yunan milliyetciler bize karsi"soykirim" propagandasiyapiyorlar . Silebelir mi? Tsk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.201.147 (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Turkish people's biographies

Hi, I see you are interested in Turkish people's biographies, I created a page for deceased İbrahim Bilgen in Marmara Ship. He was a candidate for Parliament and mayor for Siirt. He was one of the founders of Fazilet Partisi. The editors say that he has not an important political career to be included in Wikipedia, but I think there are pages for failed candidates. What do you think?Kavas (talk) 12:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Rumeli Feneri

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Volleyball

I have seen some editions you have done to volleyball articles. Some players articles, most of them looks outdated. I would like to improve players by country. Could you please choose a country to contribute with? Please take a look on Yekaterina Gamova, Hélia Souza, Serena Ortolani and Kenia Carcaces for a model to follow. Please can you please improve some volleyball players with infobox and some addons? Let me know. Oscar987 21:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Bosphorus Bridge from above.jpg

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Proposed deletion of Samsun Samair Airport

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Re your question of whether the airport can be confirmed defunct - sorry I do not have any contacts in the military so I cannot confirm it. Jzlcdh (talk) 08:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your advice, I will do that next time! Take care, CDB

Hi

Was this a SNAFU? Were you trying to promote it? Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. Sorry for my mistake. I didn't realize deleting your hook as I had an edit conflict at that time.CeeGee (talk) 21:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

No worries at all! Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Erdoğan

I made some more changes to Meryem Erdoğan's article. Most notably, I completely scrapped the bit that said "She outpaced her rivals from her country of origin in 3000 m at the International Athletics Meeting Pavel Pavlov in Sofia, Bulgaria on June 26, 2010." Reason being, I checked up said meeting's official results site and there was no Erdoğan or Ethiopian rivals in sight. Erdoğan did compete in that meet the previous year, but still sans Ethiopian rivals. Are you sure the above is what the Turkish reference said? Sideways713 (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The source says in Turkish "İşte o Türk pasaportlu Meryem Erdoğan ilk yarışını Sofyadaki EAA Permit yarışmasında 3000 metrede, Kalamata’da İAAF Permit yarışında 1500 metrede Etiyopyalı rakiplerini geçip birinci oldu.", literally "That Meryam Erdoğan with a Turkish passport finished her first race at the EAA Permit Meet in Sofia in 3000m, (her next race) at the IAAF Permit Meet in Kalamata in 1500m on first place surpassing her rivals from Ethiopia." The statement "surpassing her rivals from Ethiopia" in the sentence is dubious. One can understand that "it happened in both races" or "it happened at the latter race". I agree with you to delete that phrase at all in order not to give a wrong information. Thanks for your attention. CeeGee (talk) 09:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Meryem Erdoğan

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Powership

Hello! Your submission of Powership at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Smartse (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Powership at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 04:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

and again Smartse (talk) 12:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the power barge information but more might need to go. Take another look at the nom. Smartse (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem: 1967 Kayseri Atatürk Stadium disaster

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While nowhere does it appear to be a word-for-word copy, the portions of this article which are cited to this source do constitute a close paraphrase derivative work and need to be rewritten or removed in order to avoid infringing copyright. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Powership

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing

Hi, CeeGee. It's been a while. :) One of your articles has come up for review again at the Copyright Problems board, 1967 Kayseri Atatürk Stadium disaster. I see you're working on a rewrite of this, but I am concerned that some of your alterations may not be complete enough. Remember from our last conversation that you have to rewrite from scratch; if you minimally alter the content, you create a "derivative work", which is still a problem under our copyright policies.

Take this for example: The source says, at page 6:

The game between these two teams was awaited with special excitement and tension, as it would be a clear expression of the deep-rooted rivalry between the two cities. The fans on each side expressed their hatred of the other team via slogans written on the cars of the train running between the two cities. The day before the match, fans of Sivasspor arrived in Kayseri in a convoy almost ten kilometres in length. Forty buses, 20 minibuses and a train carried approximately 5,000 fans to the game. In the short history of the Second Division, such a crowd of supporters going to another city to support their team had never been seen before. The Sivas fans filled up all of the hotels in Kayseri, and even the local brothels. In the brothels and at other locations throughout the city, quarrels broke out amongst small groups of Sivas fans and the inhabitants of Kayseri. According to the police reports, four Sivas fans were seriously injured and 50 were arrested in pre-game clashes.

When first written in the article (I've added bolded to text copied verbatim, even if it was reorganized):

Their match, awaited with special excitement and tension, would be a clear expression of the deep-rooted rivalry between the two cities. Slogans written on the cars of the train running between Kayseri and Sivas were documenting their hatred of the oppenent's team. Around 5,000 fans of Sivasspor travelled to Kayseri one day before the match by train, on fourty buses and twenty minibuses in a many-kilometers-long convoy. It was for the first time in the short history of the Second League that such a crowd was going to another city to support their team. They filled up all the hotels in Kayseri and also the local brothels. Quarrels broke out soon amongst small groups of Sivasspor fans and the inhabitants of Kayseri in the brothels and at other locations across the city. Four Sivasspor fans got seriously wounded, and the police took fifty fans into custody.

Your proposed rewrite does away with the verbatim copying, but retains the structure and organization of the original rather closely, especially in the following passage: "The supporters of the two teams awaited the start of the match, which would be an expression of the arch rivalry between the two cities, with high excitement and tension." The second half of this clause minimally changes the creative language of the original and the structure. ("high excitement and tension"/"special excitement and tension"; "an expression of the arch rivalry between the two cities"/"a clear expression of the deep-rooted rivalry between the two cities").

At a glance, I see that other concerns remain especially in content like this, from your rewrite: "The players fled into the dressing rooms, where they were locked up in fear of their lives." The source says (at page 7, originally 225): "The players of both teams fled into the dressing rooms in fear of their own lives." There may be more.

Because this article started off as a copyright violation, the rewrite must be very thorough. That's the only way we can avoid a derivative work. There are more suggestions for dealing with language and structure at our last conversation on this subject. I understand it's challenging when you're not working in your native language, but, unfortunately, this revision needs more work if we are to retain this article. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl! Nice to have your detailed comments again. I really learn much from your notes. BTW, I'm really sorry that my re-editings were not sufficient. As you suggested I had restarted to alter the article from the Turkish language source bypassing to read and to use the English one. However, it seems that either the Turkish version source was translated from the English source or vice versa. Anyway, the best is to collapse the article into a few lines stub one so maybe someone else can expand it later. Cheers.CeeGee (talk) 09:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeşilköy Feneri

Hallo CeeGee

I read your nice article about Yeşilköy Feneri. Just a small correction: the lighthouse does not lies in Yeşilköy, but in Yeşilyurt. I think that the naming occurred because when the lighthouse was built, the closest existing neighborhood was Ayastefanos => Yeşilköy. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Alessandro57! I accepted your claim and removed the paragraph with Yeşilköy Feneri from the Yeşilköy article and added it to the of Yeşilyurt. Thanks for your note. The border between the two neighborhoods was not clear for me. I hope your information is correct. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 11:14, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

For sure, CeeGee! We own an apartment in Yesilköy, about one Km west of the lighthouse, and each time that we walk to the Yeşilyurt sports Club my wife tells me that we are crossing the border. :-) Sevgiler, Alex2006 (talk) 11:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I see and I'm relieved.:-) I was schooled in the "Yeşilköy Pansiyonlu İlkokulu" down in 1952-53, more than a half-century ago. Everything changes. CeeGee (talk) 12:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Above all in Istanbul. :-) I know very well Padre Alberto, who lives in the Missione Italiana in Yeşilköy since 1940. He told me about Istanbul & Yeşilköy in the forties...It must have been beautiful! Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Over categorization

I noticed that you had tagged at least one ancient place article with a film category. Please be aware of WP:OVERCAT. What we are looking for in categorization is the defining characteristics of the article/place or person. The film wasn't quite it. I left another change "Fatih" which I can only hope was more defining, since I don't know what it is! Student7 (talk) 12:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Aviation Martyrs' Monument

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hatice Sultan Palace

Hi CeeGee,

On 7 December 2008 you had created the article Hatice Sultan Palace with an image of the palace. But according to references, it seems that the image does not belong to the palace. The image is actually an engraving by Antoine Ignace Melling created in 1800s. But the palace had been built approximatelly 100 years later by Abdülhamit II for the daughter of Murat V. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nedim Ardoğa! Thanks for your attention. Seeing the picture in the refs, I agree with you. I removed the image. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 06:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ankara Güvercinlik Army Air Base

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for 1993 Bayburt Üzengili avalanche

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

removal of Category:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Hi! Would you please specify why you are removing the said category from articles regarding people associated with Atatürk.CeeGee (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

They are nor family nor relative. If we can add that category to articles regarding people, it will not be objektive. For example, Refik Saydam was known as a man of İsmet. Ali Fuat Cebesoy is only his classmate and friend. There are many classmates and friends of Mustafa Kemal. Why did you add category:musafa kemal to the article of Kâzım Karabekir ? He was one of the rivals of Mustafa Kemal adn many ribals and enemies of Mustafa Kemal. In short I've removed that category according to common sence. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 16:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I think we can add that category to articles such like Ali Rıza Efendi, Zübeyde Hanım, Makbule Atadan, Fikriye Hanım, Latife Uşşaki, Afet İnan, Sabiha Gökçen, Abdurrahim Tunçok. But I don't know if we can add that category to Fuat Bulca, Salih Bozok etc, or not. What do you think about it ?Takabeg (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you please reference that criteria. Thanks.CeeGee (talk) 09:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

No. If I could do it I've added that category. When you add that category you can provide references. Otherwise we cannot add that category with our POV. Takabeg (talk) 09:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Your assumption excludes following fact as an example: The article "Kazım Karabekir" has references for his time with Mustafa Kemal but you have removed that cat.CeeGee (talk) 10:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Which references ? Takabeg (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean that all the lines mentioning Mustafa Kemal in that article are without any ref? If so, they all have to be taken out.CeeGee (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want you can do that. I will try to find sources. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Munzur Valley National Park

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Golden League

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Proposed deletion of List of shopping malls in Turkey

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