User talk:ChristyKHolland
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ChristyKHolland (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
What is the best way to create a page for Christy K. Holland, (aka me) the editor in chief of Ultrasound in Medicine and Biology? Also, I want to reference the wikipedia page for Ultrasound in Medicine and Biology (an academic journal) and am trying to figure out the syntax.
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- Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 20:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- @KGirlTrucker81: Probably not a good idea to encourage someone to write an article about themselves. Christy, please request the article instead. Swarm ♠ 20:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Swarm: Sorry, I was using {{7STEPS}} and then I misunderstood the advice given by the user. My bad. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 20:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of User:ChristyKHolland/sandbox[edit]
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A tag has been placed on User:ChristyKHolland/sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
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July 2017[edit]
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from User:ChristyKHolland/sandbox, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Randykitty (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Autobio[edit]
Hi, I'm sorry you feel bitten, but I must say that you came here under a tremendous misconception about what WP is: an encyclopedia, not a social website. On the (deleted) talk page of your sandbox, you stated: "This page is not unambiguously promotional, because I am the editor in chief of an academic journal, listed on Wikipedia (I hope). I am developing this page to provide background information about the editor of Ultrasound in Medicine and Biology in order to help them determine whether or not to submit an article to Ultrasound in Medicine and Biology." That indicates that you come here with a huge conflict of interest, because as EIC of an academic journal you naturally want to show its qualities, to increase good submissions. The article on the journal is here and has been re-worked to be neutral and encyclopedic. As for the EIC: yes, that person meets our inclusion criteria for academics (#8: "The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area"), so in principle an article can be included. However, writing biographies of living people is one of the harder things to do here on WP and if this is an autobiography, things get even more complicated. It is possible for an experienced editor to write a good, neutral autobio, but that is a rare occasion indeed. Most of the time, when we are too close to a subject, it is difficult to see clear. For example, you wrote in your draft in your sandbox that "Prof. Holland is recognized nationally and internationally". That's the kind of praise that will get an article speedily deleted as spam (as indeed happened in this case). The statement may very well be true, but it is sourced to your publication list on GScholar and to conclude from the citation data there that there is recognition for you (and both national and international at that) is original research and synthesis, neither of which is allowed here.
Having said all this, given that you meet PROF#8 (and from your GScholar profile it appears also #1), a neutral bio of you would certainly be welcome here on WP (especially because we need more bios of notable academics and even more so women academics), but you are probably not the best person to do this yourself. I don(t have the time to do this myself, but I have added your name to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Academics and eventually somebody will get around to doing this.
I realize that your first experience with WP was not a happy one, but I hope that the above explains why things happened the way they did. I hope that you'll stay and contribute your knowledge and expertise on medical subjects related to your specialty (or other areas).
Happy editing! --Randykitty (talk) 12:38, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- PS: I took some time for this and created a short article: Christy Holland. It only contains what I could easily find sources for. If you see things that are incorrect or should be added, please post that on the article's talk page. --Randykitty (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks for the help! I'm worried if I edit the Christy Holland page you created, it will get deleted. Is it better to post a request for changes on the talk page for that entry? ... trying to get the hang of this.....ChristyKHolland (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, post it on the talk page and I'll take care of it. Not now though, have to run to a meeting. --Randykitty (talk) 18:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)