User talk:Ciell

dAb Discussie

Sorry dat ik hier even in het Nederlands reageer Ciell, maar gisteren en de hele avond tot in vannacht (half vier) ben ik wéér eens door Erik Baas, nu op mijn Duitse OP met minstens 12 reverts, bestookt. Aldaar heb ik ook naar U netjes gereageerd in 't Duits, zonder Uw hulp of/en antwoord te krijgen. Het lijkt er op, dat men dit erom doet. Weer tijd én drive verknald, en dan ook nog door U als gedwongen geblokt, terwijl ieder ander vrijuitgaat zoals Max. IK heb in ieder geval geantwoord; mij heeft men (daarentegen) plotseling monddood gemaakt, en toch maar doorpesten, mijn gedrag ter discussie en/of voorwaarden te stellen alsof ik "ondergeschikte" ben! Groet - D.A. Borgdorff: 86.83.155.44 (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC) PS: Very sorry for not writing in English here, but after many, many boycots et al. by mr. Baas, Robotje and the like, I am really exhausted to do so fluently. dAb at 02:18 (CEST) or 86.83.155.44 (talk) 00:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

@dAb, Please explain why you mention my username as a reason for not writing in English. In the days before your block on the Dutch Wikipedia on June 7th, I wasn't involved in your conflict on the Dutch Wikipedia. After your promise on June 3rd to not react on your talk-page for at least one week [1], I decided not to react on that page for that period. Despite several new personal attacks against me on that page soon after, and despite you quickly broke that promise, I didn't write on that page. If you were editwarring with Erik Baas on the German Wikipedia (by changing comments written and signed by other users) in which I was not involved, why do you mention my user name as an excuse for not writing in English? And please also explain how I could have been boycotting you. I've no idea how a wikipedian can boycott another user. Stop reading their articles? Refusing to visit their userpage? - Robotje (talk) 08:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

@Robotje: - I am very sorry Sir .., but you, as well as others mentioned, are/were continuously changing or reverting my texts on nl:wiki and (with mr. Baas i.e. in de:wiki) you even on more other projects of international wiki's like the Japanese one etc. In the Netherlands my only one of few started articles about Material Waves (from De Broglie's hypothesis) is there completely destroyed by destruction, and even replaced suddenly with a "new" text without even integrating each other after dicussion. As you can see on that talk page: you are there (and elsewhere) constantly discussing my motives - personally attacking me all the time - instead of proving respect for my edits. I never have changed the texts of someone anywhere likewise you people did to me. Neverless with highest esteem and all regards from: D.A. Borgdorff MASc FIEE: by 86.83.155.44 (talk) 10:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand how I was supposed to be boycotting you; so how my boycotting can be used as an excuse for you not writing in English is amazing to me. In the above reply you also suddenly start about the Japanese Wikipedia. In your only discussion on that wiki you wrote on March 10: ".. for the moment because of illness i'll have no problems with it anymore .." [2] In the 3 months since then I didn't read anything on that wiki from you, so that seemed to be solved. If not, please reopen the discussion over there (my 3 questions on that page are still not answered) and not here. As for the Dutch wiki, yes I was involved in discussions with you on the talk page of the article nl:Materiegolven. Part of the reason it was a long discussion was it took you a long time before you finally admitted your book you were mentioning in the article was only a proof (proefdruk) consisting of only 30 books that cannot be found in any library you know of. So, mentioning that free translation into Dutch in the article didn't make any sense as no reader of the article can access it. Mentioning it in non-Dutch Wikipedia's like you did in the English, Japanese and a dozen other Wikipedia's is rather absurd to me. Blaming me for personal attacks is not convincing without any evidence so please show me the diffs to prove I was personally attacking you all the time. As can be seen in the history of that Dutch article [3] I only made a few edits so suggesting I was involved in the version your worked on being "destroyed by destruction" doesn't make sense. If you have any problems with me on the Dutch Wikipedia, it's better to handle them there once your one-month block is over. - Robotje (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

@Robotje, like the few mentioned other ones You constantly reverted all my interwiki edits till I had not been able to go further on, as you mentioned: because of illness ... I was exhausted by heartattack as mentioned on nl:wiki → serveral times ... after all that work of starting up that De Broglie complicated "matter" within frames of articles on those then 14 Wiki-projects. I was not speaking of the Dutch Lemma itself but your ample hindering cf. on that talkpage, consequence of which MM & JosQ deleted my work, as you surely must understand.!?! In the meantime, much obliged cf. D.A. Borgdorff s.s.t.t. as: 86.83.155.44 (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC) too.

You keep producing new allegations without proving anything; as far as I know I never removed interwiki's you put into Wikipedia and certainly I have never been constantly reverting your interwiki edits! Then you write: "I was not speaking of the Dutch Lemma itself but your ample hindering cf. on that talkpage, consequence of which MM & JosQ deleted my work, as you surely must understand." If you were not writing about the Dutch lemma itself; what is this sentence about: "In the Netherlands my only one of few started articles about Material Waves (from De Broglie's hypothesis) is there completely destroyed by destruction, and even replaced suddenly with a "new" text without even integrating each other after dicussion." Are you sure that was not about the Dutch lemma? Then you make a direct relation between our discussion on the talk page and the article being replaced by a version written by GerhardK on May 20th. Why would GerhardK write a new version of that article if the old version was OK? I guess he thought he could write a much better article about that topic [4] which replaced the one you worked on with Josq and other people. What has that to do with a discussion we had about the need for a reference to the work of René-Louis Vallée? Please don't blame me for things I'm not involved in.

This whole discussion is not going anywhere. Lets go back to the your first allegation about me boycotting you. The article about boycott starts with the line: "A boycott is the act of voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with someone or some other organization as an expression of protest." Where did I do something like that to you? Please at least give an answer to that simple question, if you cannot, I give up this discussion for now. - Robotje (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Robotje, Because you are thinking: I am not supposed to give you answers while on the contrary all the time doing so, I'll - unfortunately - have to agree with your last sentence. Sincerely → D.A. Borgdorff IE as stated: 86.83.155.44 (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, do not transfer discussions from other Wikipedia's to the english one. dAb: als ik niet actief ben, kan ik weinig lezen hè. Maar ik ben blij dat je in ieder geval contact wilt: mijn mailadres staat rechts onder de gebruikersboxen op mijn nederlandse gebruikerspagina. Ciell (talk) 08:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I had no choice Ciell; why do you think so.?. Because you blocked me I have to go here, banned, and you still refuse(d) to did promptly unblock a week ago. How must I have been able to contact you, while just You prevented any form of communication, even by telling me now that you aren't active in reading properly? How "ever" do I have to cope with that behavior.?.. I'm sick and tired of you people always blocking, instead of reaching out for worthy and real communications, not: for the rules, but essential existing inter-relationships. In the meantime mr. Baas can, and apparently will, go onto ruining my pages by (just from you forbidden!) editting in my texts, while you even didn't read my comments or react to it in understanding. Also the remarks of Tjako weren't discussed, so one has to think that you: too don't take this going on too seriously: that's for sure.!! For a long, véry long, time I spoke about imho: expected correct intercommunicative behavior, and was confronted with the guts of small talks about mine.?. Before those remarks taken into account - look first upon yourself in critisizing the log in the eyes of the beholder, instead of pointing out to the specks that you suppose to see in mine, as has been written i.e. in Matthew 7: 3-5. Allways willing to considerate.., I'll remain yours faithfully. Greetings from D.A. Borgdorff - by: 86.83.155.44 (talk) 21:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry dAb, I indeed did not read all of the above and only your original first post, because I don't want to get involved in what all is happening here. It's a shame that again the same people seem te be following you, but Robotje did revert you in the past already, before the whole blocking-thing on wiki-nl happened, because of self-promotion (wich I agree with): the connection you see between his actions here and the block on wiki-nl, is not an opion I share.

With not beeing active (refering to "Aldaar heb ik ook naar U netjes gereageerd in 't Duits, zonder Uw hulp of/en antwoord te krijgen."), I meant I was not active here and just quick on wiki-nl, because I was working and had other things to attend to. Please don't imply that I am not willing to help you, because I am, that's why I asked you if e-mailing was an option for you. If working on Wikipedia is something you learnt this easily, do you really think e-mail would be so hard? There are enough webbased programs that can provide you with an account.

As for not reacting to Tjako: if you followed everything on nl correctly (wich I guess you did, you and Tjako phoning and all), you would see that I did react to him, several times. I explained my point of view and my reason of blocking you and I do understand that some people do not agree with it, in the same way as I wouldn't even expect you agreeing with it.

I have noticed that this discussion is spreading out on al different language wikipedia's, not just en: and de:. I read somewhere, that you think I want to unblock you with limiting conditions: this is not my idea (it's KKoolstra's) and all I wanted is your opion on this and if you know any other things that would create a workable atmosphere for you again on wiki-nl. Now reading on another Wikipedia that you assumed the worst of me (aka I am not open to your opion and want to lay something on you) and even silently agreeing with a desysop, does break down my good will.

My question is: are you willing to coöperate under special conditions, as for instance proposed on my discussionpage on wiki-nl, or do you yourself have any better ideas how create a better atmosphere again? Or do you not want to be unblocked this way and rather wait for the block (another 3 weeks, if I'm correct) ends, so you can work freely again? Ciell (talk) 09:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ciell, I am totally unaware of said things, as: desysop? etc. Of course I'm willing to coöperate, I always do and did !, instead of you who was able of blocking me: what made Tjako and me furious about those "I'm a dealer" like suggestions and proposals. If we are equal, there are never unilateral conditions or something else. Unconditionally to be unblocked, because I'd never, néver did somewhat criminal or the like.! How dare someone (or you) to suggest all this by "warning-templates" full of terms like "vandalism", and "dossiers" so as were I judicial involved ...!? I very often told you and others, that I never want to be associated by this jungle-kid stuff. I'm a gentleman of age, ... no villain.! I still am very blazed with indignation ... i.e.: I'd still read "no conditional limitations" cfr. Koolstra. and on the contrary? ... just to more "special conditions" ...?... There is here no prison to be able working "freely" again, and be no censorship because of appropiate UN human rights related chapters. Further, I did not have read in time yet conciously your talk-pages involved, and finally have awful feelings about what is done to mr. Tjako van Schie on this decremental deteriorating nl:WP. Though with utmost regards: D.A. Borgdorff 86.83.155.44 (talk) 10:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry dAb, but reading your English answers is even harder then your Dutch ones. Could you please just answer my questions without all the additional allegations? If I understand correctly, you do not want to be unblocked under special conditions and would rather to wait till the block ends? Ciell (talk) 11:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Well Ciell, of course I really simple want to be unblocked without conditions. Why those ?, because I hardly didn't anything "wrong" but - on the contrary - I was personally cyber-vandalised by mentioned people, what I never did to them. Can't you understand? The votes were equal pro and contra benefit of the doubt, and with most people but a couple of dozen there are no adverse feelings towards me. So why hesitate while I'm a very peaceful person .... All sincerely regards: dAb = 86.83.155.44 (talk) 11:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

If you don't want to be unblocked under conditions, then you indeed will have to wait untill the block ends. Without the voting that Tjako organized, I would have at least had the option of unblocking you before the block ends, but, on the contrary of what you state, the votes show more people pro blocking then against and this result ties my hands as an admin. Enjoy the silence for now, I'm afraid this will not be over by a long shot... Ciell (talk) 12:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

As there is no serious ground for blocking a serious user for a month on the nl. wiki in the guidelines for moderators I urgently advise moderator Ciell to unblock dAb there immediately. dAb doesn't seem to be a 'vandal' and the reason he got blocked was editting 2 characters in one of his own contributions on a talk page outside the main wikipedia area. If that's blockworthy behaviour then addressing multiple attacks on a person would be also. Other users can go on ad infinitum and ad nauseam by attacking others on nl. wiki without risking any blocks at all, so this uncomprehensible block is the most ridiculous one I ever wittnessed. Ciell, show your good faith and positive ground attitude, show that you are a good mod and unblock dAb on nl.wiki a.s.a.p. Regards, DTBone (talk) 12:46, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S. a voting in a 'peiling' is not a thing which is 'iron law'. It simply provides a general image about a situation. Mod's are free to make up their own considerations and decisions, despite results of a 'peiling'. DTBone (talk) 12:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Dutch T-bone, I've been clear already about not wanting to discuss this blockage with you any further. You keep on repeating yourself, turning into a wikilawyer like we've never seen before on wiki-nl. You follow the guidelines when they suit you and ctry to ignore them when they don't. You object to every blockage possible and are severely pushing your own pov, to annoyence of a lot of users on wiki-nl. Ciell (talk) 12:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ciell, instead of escaping all the time the answers we asked you already several times, you should start providing arguments and bear full responsibility for this block. I did not see any arguments which might support this action of yours in blocking dAb. This is not wikilawyering, but a serious matter, concerning content of arguments, and certainly not a pov matter. Blocking any user is a last means, so you better start providing your arguments and motivations for this stupid block, instead of escaping discussions the cheap way by saying you refuse to discuss matters. Otherwise I only can see lack of good faith, and arbitrary decisions which have no basis whatsoever in the guidelines for administrators. That's the point, and that's the reason this block is so completely ridiculous, and that's also the reason i insist on asking you for serious profound answers.DTBone (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Best Ciell: I'll really advice you now urgently to unblock me as soon as possible, with expecting you in the meantime to have hopefully enough understanding of consequences involving the choice of possibilities. As usual I'll faithfully remain truly yours. D.A. Borgdorff 86.83.155.44 (talk) 13:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Wityh first denying to having talked about desysop on the spanish Wikipedia and now this threat, I do not wish to discuss this any further. Good luck on your breaks. Ciell (talk) 14:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

• Well this is ridiculous: I never spoke about desysop (how could I as "Anon"? - please ..) and even less in some "threat" you're suggesting here. That is really blackening en blackmailing me, because you probably don't comprihend what I am speaking of - or misinterpretation of my intentions, which are very positive! Not difficult to read above.? Not well  Done in my case. However sincerely: D.A. Borgdorff - MASc. from: 86.83.155.44 (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Khazar maps

I used one of the blank world maps available on WP:Blank maps, cutting and expanding the relevant section. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I added a permlink to the image, thanks for your reply. Ciell (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-Thons Invitation

You are invited! Wiki Loves Pride

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Stroopwafels vs stroofwafels!

Hi Ciell, in the section Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism#Challenge, I wasn't sure if stroopwafels were the same thing as stroofwafels (stroofwafels gives me mostly Dutch hits on Google), so I left that as-is. Either way, they look delicious! --Grandevampire (talk) 11:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me at the typo. And they are very, very delicious! Ciell (talk) 19:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your message on my talkpage. I think you were asking about the best place to start a project and event page in English Wikipedia. I can say that different people would give you different advice, and there are several different ways to do this. In Dutch, you made the event page a subpage of a WikiProject. If it helps, you can do that here, but usually, people just make individual event pages. If you are doing a Europride event, then I recommend starting at Wikipedia:Europride. Instead of Europride, you could name the event page after an organization, or you could make an event page only for a single city through the WP:Meetup system. Try drafting anything, then message me, and I will try to help sort things so that people find it. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:57, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lane,

Thanks for your response, and I love coffee . I already started a page here. I hope that's oké?

Please review the page (and the English translation, haha). We decided we want to have the Dutch page as main page, but want something for our foreign contributers as well. Does that sound oké? Ciell (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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2021

	2021 : better new year!
	Nattes à chat

Beautiful, thank you Nattes! Ciell (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Refresh yourself by a cup of dark hot tea. Ruwaym (talk) 21:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ruwaym. :)) Ciell (talk) 11:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)