User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 23
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DYK for Nicky Astria
![]() | On 6 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nicky Astria, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that guitarist Ian Antono described Nicky Astria as "the best female pop rock singer Indonesia has ever seen"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nicky Astria.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Last Child (band)
I like seeing new users get DYKs. Can you possibly take a look at Indonesian related Template:Did you know nominations/Last Child (band) so it doesn't get pulled for copyvio? --LauraHale (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Redyka's not exactly new, he's had 3 or 4 self noms since I adopted him. Paraphrasing against RS is fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Can you comment to say that? I've seen some major nasty attacks on reviewers for missing paraphrasing and it just makes me want to hide and over react every time I even suspect it. :( It is awful for everyone involved. I don't want to say it and be wrong. (One bit could just be solved by tossing quote marks.) I don't want to not say it and then get chewed out. --LauraHale (talk) 09:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Salman Aristo
![]() | On 6 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Salman Aristo, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Indonesian screenwriter Salman Aristo initially wanted to be a musician? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Salman Aristo.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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For you fine article work--DYKs, GAs, and FAs. Well done, and thanks on behalf of those of us who can't be bothered to be so determined and patient. Drmies (talk) 03:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC) |
- Thanks Drmies! Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for List of songs recorded by Chrisye
![]() | On 7 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of songs recorded by Chrisye, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that of the more than 200 songs recorded by Chrisye, four were selected by Rolling Stone Indonesia as among the best Indonesian songs of all time? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Chrisye.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the revert
On my userpage, that was kind of funny though. BTW, I read a few pages of your translation, looks pretty good. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Glad you like it. Sorry it took me so long to reply, I just noticed this. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Crisco 1492, I'm just about to start the copy-edit you requested on the above article. Fell free to revert or correct me if I add or remove something I shouldn't, or to contact me if you need to tell me anything important that's not obvious from the article. I'm sorry it's taken so long for your request to be answered - you just can't get the staff these days! Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:48, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi again, I've finished the copy-edit; congratulations on the promotion of the article to FA. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Petualangan Sherina
![]() | On 8 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Petualangan Sherina, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Sherina's Adventure featured a young girl going against Sadam, then joining forces with him, in a story inspired by Grease? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Petualangan Sherina. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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Chrisye
Hi Crisco 1492. Congratulations on getting Chrisye to Featured Article. I've removed your GOCE request for it as you've already succeeded. Sorry we didn't get there in time. Best regards, --Stfg (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- No biggie, thanks anyways. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Cultural Properties
Hi there, I'm trying to update List of heritage registers and saw there's nothing yet for Indonesia, so you seemed the obvious person to come to (will take this to the Wikiproject if you're not interested, which is of course fine); I couldn't immediately find anything by general search or on the Culture Ministry website - but here on the UNESCO Database of National Cultural Heritage Laws there seem to be several laws relating to Indonesian Cultural Properties. Don't know if you would be interested/able to add a brief new introductory page or at least a couple of links? Once such a start is made, tables can follow, then red links can gradually turn blue, or something like that... Don't know if there's something on the Indonesian Wikipedia? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- This article on a kerfuffle (big news back in late 2011) suggests those are provincial laws. I don't know if there is a national list. I'll try asking the Missus later. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting, and thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I found some cultural heritage sites (Benda cagar budaya; not necessarily buildings), with a partial list here (the ones on that list mostly have articles, from what I saw). This suggests that there are 8,232 (!) such sites as of 2008. Can't find a full list. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- This law is what regulates the BCBs Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Even better, have updated, thanks a lot, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'll try and expand a bit from the above sources later. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Have just seen your additions: must be one of the most satisfying pages I've ever worked on - at least one other person in the world interested and involved! Lots of nice links, great DYK, and what an image, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Trust me, it's even more impressive in person (Borobudur is quite nice as well). I've been to several of the places listed, and the ones I've seen are fairly well maintained. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Have just seen your additions: must be one of the most satisfying pages I've ever worked on - at least one other person in the world interested and involved! Lots of nice links, great DYK, and what an image, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Even better, have updated, thanks a lot, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting, and thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:22, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK
I replied. Thank you. -- Y not? 01:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Nyi Ageng Serang
Mas Chris, could you copyedit and make a nomination for the article? Redyka94 (talk) 10:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK
I've added new pics in the article tricana poveira that you can use in DYK if you want to. thanks. -Pedro (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Will do! MathewTownsend (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Hetty Koes Endang
![]() | On 11 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hetty Koes Endang, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that singer Hetty Koes Endang and her duet partner were the first Indonesians to win the World Popular Song Festival? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hetty Koes Endang.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Serigala Terakhir
Hello! Your submission of Serigala Terakhir at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 09:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Anguilla women's national football team
I've done 11 DYK reviews today, including 2 or 3 that should be good to go right now. Any chance you can get Template:Did you know nominations/Anguilla women's national football team reviewed? There are currently I think 20 unreviewed hooks dating back to April 27 to April 30, with all earlier ones having some form of review done now. --LauraHale (talk) 11:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'll try to get to it when I finish my user space draft. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi!
Could you take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Compton-Belkovich Thorium Anomaly, and possibly close it? --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 16:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Ruma Maida
The article Ruma Maida you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Ruma Maida for things which need to be addressed. Every one of these films I review for you makes me feel guiltier and guiltier for not working on articles like The Wind That Shakes the Barley or Hunger. :( GRAPPLE X 01:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- I must feel even guiltier for never having heard of these films. Will do — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK
- see Template:Did you know nominations/Kusumanegara Heroes' Cemetery! Thanks! --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 09:22, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Hermaphrodite (Nadar)
![]() | On 12 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hermaphrodite (Nadar), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a nine-image series by Nadar may be the first medical photographic documentation of an intersex person? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hermaphrodite (Nadar).You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Question
New ? for MS here: Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Hermaphrodite. PumpkinSky talk 20:49, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Cultural Properties of Indonesia
![]() | On 13 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cultural Properties of Indonesia, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that one can be fined Rp. 100 million for willfully damaging Cultural Properties of Indonesia, such as Prambanan (complex pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cultural Properties of Indonesia.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
My DYK
Hi thanks for your suggestion about how to create DYK, and I have created my first DYK nomination here Template:Did you know nominations/Herry Kiswanto, or this article. Would you like review it? Regards. *Annas* (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- A couple comments. Blogspot is usually not allowed, and it appears you are over-referencing. I'm not really into football, so I wouldn't know what to do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
very diligent, for created many Indonesia related DYK article *Annas* (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC) |
- Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
May 2012
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:Drmies. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Turkey bacon is a personal attack. Drmies (talk) 02:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Huh? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Blegh. There's a long story attached to this, involving a Persian uncle-in-law who converted to the Church of Christ but kept his dietary restrictions, which are followed to some extent at Thanksgiving. Ground turkey--I prepared the burgers and it was like squeezing wet cat food. They are totally tasteless too. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, makes sense. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Blegh. There's a long story attached to this, involving a Persian uncle-in-law who converted to the Church of Christ but kept his dietary restrictions, which are followed to some extent at Thanksgiving. Ground turkey--I prepared the burgers and it was like squeezing wet cat food. They are totally tasteless too. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Semesta Mendukung
![]() | On 13 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Semesta Mendukung, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that John de Rantau's 2011 film The Universe Supports details a boy's search for his mother through the Indonesian Physics Olympiad Team? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Semesta Mendukung.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Orlady (talk) 08:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I've copy edited as requested, and made a few comments on the article talk page. I enjoyed the article – well off the beaten track for me and an agreeable change. Tim riley (talk) 10:34, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Mira Lesmana
![]() | On 13 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mira Lesmana, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Indonesian film producer Mira Lesmana (pictured) has campaigned several times against censorship in the country's film industry? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mira Lesmana.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, the picture is representing the French Marie Sklodowska Curie (she is from Poland!!), who lives in France. Is not this a bug? What do you think? Top811 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC).
Signpost 14 May
Hi,
I think the volcano pic and the supernova pic are too much alike and would like to switch out one. Not a lot to choose from. Hate to use File:Sheepscombe St Johns Church.jpg (that guy's face is probably too much, but maybe ok File:Lucky Diamond Rich face.jpg. If I change something, feel free to revert! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, I think his face is rather effective, if edgy. Kind of delivers a bounce to the page! I buffed up the article on him a bit. That photo was a featured picture on the German wp. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, it looks quite nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Hate to bother you, but...
Do you think you'd be able to take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Episode 2 (Twin Peaks)/archive1 for me? My only real concern now is just how to structure the "reception" section, I've mentioned a few ideas in there for how to do it and some insight from an editor who's always producing some high-quality content would be a terrific bonus. And don't worry, the Ruma Maida FAC is still on my to-do list, I've just been a little distracted with the football on today... :P GRAPPLE X 21:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'll try and take a look this afternoon (my time, UTC+7), when I have more time for a thorough look-over. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- I appreciate that, thanks a lot. GRAPPLE X 23:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'll try and take a look this afternoon (my time, UTC+7), when I have more time for a thorough look-over. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Final Trophee Monal 2012 n08.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
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Question on Featured Article inclusion at Signpost
I was and still am rather hesitant to bring this up, since it feels like i'm just blowing my own horn, but...I was wondering, I assume the cutoff happens in ten hours time for what's considered this week and next week, right? Because Cracker Barrel just passed, but the bot hasn't come through to mark it yet and could do that at any time. Is it considered a part of the current issue that will be coming out in ten hours or is it pushed to next week's issue? SilverserenC 03:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- The cut-off date for featured content is Sunday at 0:00 UTC, so the Cracker Barrel article will have to wait until next week. Congrats, BTW. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. And i'll remember that, I just wanted to clarify how it worked. SilverserenC 04:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Oerip Soemohardjo
![]() | On 14 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oerip Soemohardjo, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that National Hero of Indonesia Oerip Soemohardjo attended a girls' school as a child to improve his temperament? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Oerip Soemohardjo.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
dunnno
but you should get some sort of barnstar or prize or maybe even a rice pattie cake the oleh oleh shops might sell in tartan cardboard boxes, for even contemplating indonesian soccer articles - the endless english free eds who incessantly tinkle with the articles will no doubt scratch their sepak bola brains and wonder what is going on... SatuSuro 12:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not even looking at these atrocities. 99% of them are probably not notable, but if they're deleted then they'll be back eventually. And it took 11 years to get an article on the first Chief of Staff of the Army... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- wow' on kusumenagara graveyard (well done) - we need to smaller scale series of sub cats for graveyards - I have just started unearthing my archival photos... sigh... SatuSuro 12:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- Probably. I'm not that big on cats though. I've done two others, Karet Bivak Cemetery and Jeruk Purut Cemetery, but sadly I've lost what pictures weren't on Commons. Luckily Kusumanegara is but a 5 minute drive away. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
- wow' on kusumenagara graveyard (well done) - we need to smaller scale series of sub cats for graveyards - I have just started unearthing my archival photos... sigh... SatuSuro 12:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
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Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Portrait of Elizabeth Farren, by Thomas Lawrence.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
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DYK for Nyi Ageng Serang
![]() | On 15 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nyi Ageng Serang, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that 73-year-old Nyi Ageng Serang led her troops in a war against Dutch colonists from a stretcher? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nyi Ageng Serang. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Orlady (talk) 00:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- I see it is called National Hero of Indonesia. Heroine refers to the spouse of the male hero. Not sure about the wording in the lead "is a National Heroine of Indonesia". --NGC 2736 (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- The article hero has "heroine" for female heroes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Never heard "heroine" as being the wife of the hero. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, bad mistake on my part. I seriously thought "heroine" refers to spouse of hero. Effects of Bollywood, I guess, LOL. Well, I just tried to point out that the word "hero" is now considered gender-neutral. See, for example, The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language which defines hero as "A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life". See this, specifically this. Now if the official papers call her "heroine", then it will be the only suitable title, of course. --NGC 2736 (talk) 01:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, I'll keep that in mind for the next one. Indonesian generally doesn't gender-differentiate for heroes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- But, have you heard of "Heroin Hero"? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Wow! --NGC 2736 (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- South Park? Oh my... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Reviews
Wow, that was quick feedback on Sadler! So, should I review the PR of Chinese Indonesians or your current FAC first? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm... surprise me :-p — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well, you're two thirds of the way there at FAC, it looks like you might not need my help there! Thanks for the image check, BTW, do you need anything else from me there? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- At Sadler? Nope. Of course, feedback for Maida would still be appreciated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Just counted, and I use the word "murder" 13 times in the article, hope you-know-who doesn't notice. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)