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            DO NOT ENTER NEW ITEMS HERE--use User talk:DGG Thank you DGG for the helpful feedback for my article on the Cambridge Centre for Christianity Worldwide. I'm going to get to work right way making the changes you suggested. All the best.


Draft: R Dub![edit]

Draft: R Dub! I've left several previous comments here on your talk page and not received a reply in over 2 months about this article.

It's not for pay, I don't work with this person or anything like that. Just personal interest. I've edited articles in the past but never started one on wikipedia. I've done much more on wikitravel than on wikipedia itself. Do you have any additional thoughts? I highlighted 'wiki 3' and notoriety as requested by a previous reviewer so looking for guidance on how to move forward. Thanks. Smithryanallen (talk)

Seeking your advice for editing the IOTA (technology) article[edit]

Hello Dennis. I'm really, really impressed with all you have contributed to WP over the years. I mainly have experience in Wikibooks--I created a Human Physiology Wikibook with my students years ago but did not keep up with the editing (and it only got to a certain level). It was interesting to see how a few students really took to the editing process and made MANY more contributions than others--I can see you are someone like that.

Here is what I am writing about: I follow the IOTA cryptocurrency quite closely and make occasional contributions to helping people understand it. I am totally biased in favor of IOTA, as I believe it will solve the problems inherent in basically all other cryptocurrencies. I have not been involved in trying to get a WP page for it, but I know that it has been removed several times in the past, and there were some editors whose strong biases against IOTA made it very difficult to provide accurate information. I'm thrilled to see the page is up, and that you are involved. I do not anticipate that I will be able to spend a great deal of time contributing, but I wanted to ask you what is most needed to make it a better article. And what do you suggest I carefully avoid to not anger any editors?? With a bit of guidance from you, I think I may be helpful, both to IOTA and to WP. Thanks! ~Kevin Flattail (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hyro third draft submitted[edit]

Hi DGG! I hope you're doing well. I have resubmitted the third draft of the Hyro entry based on your comments.

Thank you!

Hyro draft reminder[edit]

Hi DGG, Hope you're doing well. Just wanted to follow up with my third Hyro draft submission.

Many thanks, Jacob



Freeman Osonuga deletion[edit]

Hello DGG; thank you for the great work you do here, I am really a great fan. I realized that you deleted Freeman Osonuga page on the basis of it’s promotional tone which you are very right about. I have always had the plan to re-format it in a neutral form but not had the time until today, and then realized that it has been deleted. So want to seek your consent & advice if I can re-create again since it has been continuously recreated; thank you as I await a response from you. Kaizenify (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

it will probably be about a week until I get to this--my apologies, but doing the ordinary parts of life has gotten much harder and somewhat depressing
I am going ahead to recreate the page. Thanks and hopefully you can help review aswell. Kaizenify (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 15[edit]

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (April 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 15th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Miscellaneous

Hope everyone stays safe. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hello DGG[edit]

I have made changes to the Frank Manheim page as you requested but over the next week Im going to do a major rewrite. After I do that should I resubmit the page or should I write to you on here? For reference this is the page currently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Frank_J._Manheim#Writing Thank you for your help Fmanheim1 (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

it will probably be about a week until I get to this--my apologies, but WP is not my current priority --doing the ordinary parts of life has gotten much harder and somewhat depressing

Hello DGG I completely understand its a difficult time right now, please take all the time you need before working on this. Fmanheim1 (talk) 18:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – May 2020[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020).

Administrator changes

removed Gnangarra • Kaisershatner • Malcolmxl5

CheckUser changes

readded Callanecc

Oversight changes

readded HJ Mitchell

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Miscellaneous

Draft:YangonThu Michelle[edit]

I'm very new for Wiki.

I made draft article about her because of her effort and contribution to local women's communities. Even the celebrities and social bloggers are on Wiki, my honest question is why can't she have? She have a lot of media appearance, even she is Young Southeast Asia Leader Initiative's country lead, but I didn't mention in the article because the announcement is only source at social.

So, please help me to correct, and appoint one Editor who know Myanmar Language. I know you cannot read Myanmar language. And please suggest to me as soon as possible.

I try to construct this article by doing research a month. It should worth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyiminsan (talk • contribs) 06:31, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)Nyiminsan, Your article has been rejected (a decision I also endorse) and as such will not be considered further at this time. The main issue with this article is that it is overly promotional and reads much like a press release. Wikipedia articles should be formal, neutral, dispassionate and impersonal. The article misses the mark on all four of those attributes. This is why we highly discourage editors from creating and editing articles about subjects they have a WP:COI with. We hope you will continue to edit in the future after going over some of our policies and rules. I would recommend though that you avoid topics you have a direct connection with. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 08:01, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Abington Art Center[edit]

Hi DGG, I made some revisions to Abington Art Center and came to a conclusion that the Advert tag can be removed. Please let m e know your thoughts, and if my opinion is agreeable. Best, Pratat (talk) 14:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)Pratat, Between the work of you and a couple of other editors the advert issue seems fully resolved. Thus you removing the advert tag looks appropriate. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 19:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion related to draft[edit]

I was recently working on this draft and I'd like to know which section is particularly problematic. It's been rejected thrice before and that was for a right reason as per my understanding. I made a clean up as per WP:PEACOCK. My question is that does subject fails WP:GNG or the tone of the page is the only problem? Thank you and stay safe. Lunar Clock (talk) 20:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)Lunar Clock, I am a fellow reviewer of AfC articles and will help answer your question as DGG is quite busy right now. To pass WP:GNG we need to see significant coverage of the subject. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. I've reviewed the sources and this simply doesn't exist. Most of the sources only mention the subject in passing or come from unreliable sources (e.g. Excellence Reporter is primary and unreliable). Other sources, such as the NYT article, don't even mention the subject. To be blunt, this comes nowhere near what is needed to establish notability. I, and I believe all other AfC reviewers, would decline this. I also did a bit of searching on Google and there doesn't seem to be any coverage that would substantially improve the state of this article. Imo, this subject simply isn't notable at this time. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable. It makes sense. Thank you. Lunar Clock (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you![edit]

Thanks for your all your contributions! Yoleaux (talk) 05:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kunreuther[edit]

Hi DGG,

Thank you for accepting the page for Howard Kunreuther. Why were Key Research Findings deleted? They were the most important part and were all neutral and informative (I thought.)

Many thanks,

- Carol Heller 128.91.218.136 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because the books show the importance of his research work in the clearest way possible. Including the research section with all the references seemed disproportionate.Three previous reviewers all said this as well,so my view was not just being idiosyncratic. But I shall take another look. But not today. DGG ( talk ) 21:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hi DGG,

I can delete, say, half the books and maybe some of the papers. Would that help?

- Carol 128.91.218.136 (talk) 01:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

128.91.218.136, yes please delete most of the papers, and any of the books that are unimportant. That's what I meant DGG ( talk ) 21:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC[edit]

Hi David,

Thank you kindly for your help with the page on the Efficient Voter Rule! You have a too-rare combination of energy and morality.

My best, DiScience

Seeking Guidance for AfD and Evaluating Sources[edit]

Good day. I saw your list on willingness to help on the following topics. The article in question is Drew_Chicone and I have been attempting to improve it, receive answers and guidance but generally my questions haven't been answered. I appreciate your intro where you say you want to know why if someone thinks you're doing something wrong - that is my desire as well so I can improve. If you have the time to help it would be appreciated. Mlepisto (talk) 20:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Mlepisto,the first step is to remove all mention of where his products can be purchased; if anyone wants to know, they can find it on his website. Then try to find a workinglink for USAtoday, and check you have working links for the others.Remove all refs without working links Depending on what the USAtoday story says, it might do it. DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your guidance, it is very helpful! I have been working on trying to find other sources. There was an interview on ESPN 99.3 Reel Talk Radio which is a local fishing talk radio show: http://reeltalkradio.net You don't have to listen to it I'd just appreciate your input on the credibility of the source and if I have cited it properly. Mlepisto (talk) 12:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've done what I cna to help the article. The interview will not help, because it will be basically him giving his own opinion of what he has done,. It's difficult to write articles here that necessarily depend on sources that are specialized in areas where few WPedians are knowledgable or interested. Myself, I can't say I have ever paid attention to this subject, but I'm always glad to learn and expand my horizons. WP is great for that. . DGG ( talk ) 08:41, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. This has definitely been a learning process. I am still trying to understand the source guidelines/policies because some things seem to contradict other things and there is a lot of information, but it doesn't always resonate with the "why" question in my head. So I definitely appreciate your explanation. The writing has been challenging and time consuming but I do enjoy the internet research trying to dig up things. I pretty much have only used WP for some random small edits but mostly reading and clicking link after link and ending up going down way too many rabbit holes learning about all sorts of things I'd normally not even consider researching. Mlepisto (talk) 19:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nelson Byrd Woltz Article[edit]

Good afternoon--@DGG:

I left a response to your comment on my talk page (link here). I welcome your thoughts on the questions I posed and your suggestions on how to improve the article. Thank you in advance. macgirl (talk) 22:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I commented there. DGG ( talk ) 01:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marmol Radziner[edit]

Hi, you tagged Marmol Radziner as {{advert}}. I did a fairly massive overhaul of the page some years ago to address previously tagged editing issues. I realize that seems positively inclined towards the subject, but that merely reflects the inclination of the sources (if there was any negative reporting, I am sure that I would have found it, and would have also included it). I'm not sure how that issue can be "fixed" without removing or inaccurately reflecting sourced content. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:48, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a follow-up, I will not be at all put out if you disagree with my assessment. I generally write on less commercial topics for exactly the reason that it can be problematic to write a neutral-sounding piece on a commercial entity that only gets positive evaluations in the sources. BD2412 T 16:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It will take me a few days to get there. DGG ( talk ) 04:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, no deadline. It just caught my eye from being watchlisted. BD2412 T 13:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 08:59:08, 12 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Affenbrotbaum123[edit]


Hi DGG, thank you for reviewing our draft article about Weenect. This (hopefully) soon-to-be Wikipedia article is definitely not intended to read like an advertisement. Therefore, we changed the wording to be more objective and informing. Also, the sources have been reviewed and changed where necessary in order to ensure that a good blend of reliable and independent sources is used to support the given information. We hope that the article now qualifies for being published on Wikipedia as a French as well as a German version of the article have already been approved and are online now. Thanks, Affenbrotbaum123. Affenbrotbaum123 (talk) 08:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I gather you represent the company. You must say so on your user page, and then I can explain further. See WP:PAID. DGG ( talk ) 18:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 20:07:48, 12 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Gregory Diaz IV[edit]


Not 100% clear what you are looking for in order to approve my submission.  Here is link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gregory_Diaz_IV#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_Gregory_Diaz_IV_%28April_28%29

I'm a rep for the actor. As per another revierer it pass the additional criteria for actors in terms of significant roles. You say it reads more like an advertisment then entry. I have looked at many other actors entry and then are very similiar to me, so why doesn't it look more like an advertisment? I have mutiple independent, reliable published sources. What else is needed? ~~


Gregory Diaz IV (talk) 20:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I've taken a more careful look and accepted the current article versioon. DGG ( talk ) 10:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mana UP article for re-review[edit]

21:41:35, 11 March 2020 review of submission by Jedi2be[edit]

Hello! The article you have rejected was written according to advice from members of #wikipedia-en-help After your decision, I have made another effort. With the help of user LittleBlueBori from #wikipedia-en-help I have removed all the dubious elements from the article. I tried to write a quality neutral article. Please, kindly review it again.

Jedi2be (talk) 23:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I shall take a look in a day or two. DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I recognize the improvmeents, but AI still think it not encyclopedic. I;ve listed it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mana Up; I cannot and should not remove article like this on just my own opinion--the community will make the decision DGG ( talk ) 08:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Make Draft:Al Ansari Exchange live[edit]

Hi, DGG why do you decline Draft:Al Ansari Exchange to make live on Wikipedia. This is 54 year old company. It has more than 2.5 million customers in all over world. It has gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, I have taken all the information from independent and reliable sources like Khaleej Times, Gulf News, Al Bawaba, Arabian Business, Emirates 24/7. All the words and sentences are written neutral point of view. If you feel any word or sentence is promotional or advertisement please tell me.I will correct them. I feel this is notable topic and follow every policy and guidelines o Wikipedia. This should be live on Wikipedia. I would request you to review your decision and make it live on Wikipedia. @DGG: Pt8340 (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for advice[edit]

What is the correct protocol to follow if another editor deletes sourced edits? MaskedSinger (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

i have commented. DGG ( talk ) 23:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
thanks! i've come across a page that is reads like an ad and has a lot of unsourced material. I'm not sure how to proceed. Should I tell you the page? MaskedSinger (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
when you come across such a page, and think it unlikely to be improvable, list it for deletion at WP:AFD, and take responsibility for your own nominations. . Except, if you thing there might be something in particular I might be able to help with, then ask me. This is especially true if it is a page written by someone with whom you have previously come into conflict. DGG ( talk ) 08:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 12:43:53, 13 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Affenbrotbaum123[edit]


Hi DGG, Thank you for providing some more insights into why the article has been declined. For whom will the employer disclosure be visible - just for your group of reviewers and just for the purpose of reviewing this specific article? I will be happy to unveil my employer as soon as I receive your feedback on this. Thanks in advance for a short answer, Affenbrotbaum123. Affenbrotbaum123 (talk) 12:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It will be visible on the talk page of the article and your user page permanently. We think its important for readers to know which articles have created by volunteers, as distinct from being created for money,Most reliable source (Forbes, for example, does just the same) DGG ( talk ) 17:33, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:01:31, 14 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Value thinking[edit]


Hi, before submitting the draft for the page for Lynx Asset Management I reviewed similar pages among this companies peers, for example Aspect Capital and AQR Capital. I have tried to use a source for every single statement. Could you point to some specific guideline where something positive about something or someone is acceptable and when it becomes 'an advertisement'?

Value thinking (talk) 09:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many hundred thousand articles in WP accepted in earlier years when the standards were lower that we need to either upgrade or remove. The least we can do is not add to them DGG ( talk ) 09:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)`[reply]

More important, Value thinking, since this is your only article, and since it is written in exactly the format of a press release, it is reasonable to ask whether you are a connected contributor, in which case you must declare the connection. Please see our rules on Conflict of Interest If you are writing this for pay or as a staff member of the organization, see also WP:PAID for the necessary disclosures. We can discuss it further after you explain the possible COI. DGG ( talk ) 23:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 09:33:50, 15 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Karoninja1[edit]


Dear DGG,

Thank you for your review of the article on Wladyslaw Kaduk. With some astonishment, I learned that my submitted article had been declined once again. I am new to writing on wikipedia, however not new to writing articles publicly. In the context of wikipedia I do understand your comment about use of language, and this we can easily rework. However, your comments on the supposed lack or reliability of the sources, and, moreover, your lack of understanding of the importance of this historical figure seem to make no sense to me at all.

First of all, I have provided sources of every possible kind, including primary sources such as photographs from war time, and secondary sources such as biographies about the subject from three different and independent writers. Moreover, these resources unequivocally show the crucial role Wladyslaw Kaduk played in changing the course in WWII.

Which of these sources exactly do you consider to be unclear?

Finally, I'd like to add one more remark on how wikipedia deals with sources. In my experience so far, wikipedia does everything in its power to remove them all. At first, every single picture that we tried to add to the article was instantly removed. Later on, I could link to another server with some copyright-free sources. Then I was told on the wikipedia chat server that there were too many citations?? When the amount of links were reduced, now it has too little sources again. Not only is wikipedia missing out on crucial evidence, this practice seems to reduce the scientific quality of the encyclopaedia and it makes it less appealing to me and my team to continue uploading articles. It just seems to be as waste of our time. Don't get us wrong: we do want to contribute and add value to the wiki-project, but not in this way. Do you have any suggestions regarding this matter?

Kind regards, Karoninja1 Karoninja1 (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I declined the draft for two reasons. One, was that most of the refeences are from sources we do not accept: you can't reference a WP article to another WP article, because WP is not a reliable source. You can;\'t base an article on official documents or letters , because their meaning need rto ve interpreted by qualified historians. You can't base it on incidental mentions to general books about the period. which do not cover him substantially. (for afurther explanations, wsee WP:Reliable Sources. Ref 1 is an acceptable source,, but it's really the only acceptable source--or would be except that it seems to have been written by a close colleague of his.
Even more important, the article is justifying his life, not presenting it in NPOV terms. It explains his politicial positions in the context of the different periods of his life , and assumes the reader will agree with them. Rather, they need to be presented in such carefully neutral terms thaat a reader of very diffferent politics would still regard it as a fair presentation.aIn sort, it's a biographical tribute, not an encyclopedia article. For further explanation, see WP:NPOV DGG ( talk ) 10:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Reply me[edit]

What is problem with Draft:Al Ansari Exchange. Please tell me in detail. So I can improve it. I feel this is notable topic this should be live on Wikipedia. @DGG: Pt8340 (talk) 11:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am just one of the three different experienced reviews who have all declined the article. DGG ( talk ) 18:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Request on 06:30:37, 17 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Ying Pan[edit]


Hi, thanks for reading this message. I adjusted my articles and added sources to it .May I have your time to review my article again ? I've added a Wikiproject to my article in the hope to get a speedy review, but still got no response. Let me know if I can improve anything. I would very much appreciate it if my article could be accepted, since I've spent as much efforts as I can on adjusting this article. Thank you for your time and help !

Ying Pan (talk) 06:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have commented on your talk p. DGG ( talk ) 21:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:New York Heritage[edit]

Is there somewhere this would fit? I came across it online and didn't know what it was. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It should be expanded not an article on Empire State Library Network. Megs, can you help on this of suggest somebody? ``

Bravo[edit]

...on the R&I stuff. I am as fundamentalist anti-fringe as they come, but you are absolutely on the nail here. The process needs to be robust, fair and repeatable, and not favour those who are loudest or most committed. The fact is, some bullshit has significant minority support, and it's not our job to fix that. Guy (help!) 22:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your support. It is people with views like your's and mine who need to support the inclusion of non-standard views. The best way of dealing with ignorance is to let it be expressed. People tend to have unwarranted sympathy with what they think are persecuted minorities DGG ( talk ) 22:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, HasteurBot (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Westernisation in Hong Kong for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Westernisation in Hong Kong is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westernisation in Hong Kong until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 10:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed[edit]

Hello, DGG

Thank you for creating List of paintings by Bernardo Strozzi.

User:Vexations, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

You might find this helpful: User:Vexations/lists/List_of_works_by_Bernardo_Strozzi

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Vexations}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Vexations (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

how to join wp:biography[edit]

Hello, thanks for accepting the article. I am also interested in assessing articles and I read that we do so by joining relevant wikiprojects. One of the Wikiprojects I'm interested in is Wp:Biography. I read the page but didn't understand how to join it. Kindly tell me. Thanks again. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You go to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Members, and edit it to add your signature in the appropriate alphabetic place in thesame format as the others. Most people hee add a comment about their interests. DGG ( talk ) 17:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And, how would I learn assessing articles? Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:45, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
really, you should ask the people there. But first, it would be a good idea for acquiring a reputation of writing excellent articles of your own, and for improving those of lower quailty submitted by others. . Pay particular attention to finding really good reliable sources for articles that need them--sourcing is the most importnt single skill at Wikipedia . DGG ( talk ) 08:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

STEMcoding Draft page and definition of "local"[edit]

I am the author of the STEMcoding Project draft page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:STEMcoding_Project

Recently the page was declined because "no evidence of notability for this basically local project. 2 or 3 articles in educational magazines is not enough for notability."

There are more than a few activities on the page that are outside of Ohio, including, for example, a collaboration with Daniel Shiffman who is a professor at New York University. The article also mentions workshops at national meetings of the American Association of Physics Teachers and connections to a national group the "Partnership for Integrating Computation into Undergraduate Physics". There is also STEMcoding content on hourofcode.com which is an initiative of code.org, which is a national group. I am trying to understand where the "local project" judgement is coming from.

Chrisorban (talk) 17:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of afc is to predict whether thearticle would be accepted by the community in an AfD discussion. Based on long expeience here, I think it would not. Giving talks at national meetings is rougtine for every academic, no matter how undistinguished. donot havethe final word--it youcansrethen theaticle by material published about the project by other people in references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements ,then it would probably be enough to be accepted. DGG ( talk ) 18:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

G13 Eligibility Notice[edit]

Thanks, HasteurBot (talk) 04:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:KCL Radio[edit]

Hello, You stated at Draft:KCL Radio "This should be merged". I moved a lot of the content into King's College London Students' Union along with some additional editing. Lacking any contesting I suspect there should be some formal merge action to preserve any history. Otr500 (talk) 05:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I shall take a look. DGG ( talk ) 09:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Otr500, I've done it. there are simple ways and complicated ones. I only know how to do the simple, but it should take care of it. the original text is in the history of the redirect, DGG ( talk ) 05:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Radio Dunedin (documentary)[edit]

Draft:Radio Dunedin (documentary) has been hanging around as a "Promising draft". Material in the draft is already presented in Radio Dunedin so I provided a reference and included the infobox from the draft. There are some sources if someone wishes to split later for a better article. As above there might need to be some formal "merging" for any history if needed. Otr500 (talk) 06:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Pre-establishment national treatment[edit]

I looked at Draft:Pre-establishment national treatment (shortly due for CSD:G13 per above), and it does appear to be notable enough for an article, although I do not know if the title is correct. You commented at AFC "needs 3rd party sources". I found several and added some possible sources in the comments. I do not know how to add or request a "Promising Draft" designation but this appears to be a good candidate, thanks -- Otr500 (talk) 08:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I apppreciate comments like these and I try to follow them up. Fortunately, adding any content to the article resets the 6 month clock. DGG ( talk ) 04:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and make comments when needed or I don't have time to get involved too deep. Sometimes I make a comment and get rewarded with something like "Do it yourself if you think it needs doing." Since my daughters non-medical observation, that I have severe ADHD, might be correct as I can get redirected fairly easy, stopping in the middle of something sometimes is not a good thing. When I grow up (a little more I suspect) or win the lottery (I heard you have to play) I would like to have multiple computers. My now starting to age laptop starts bogging down when I open more browsers and tabs that it can handle. I have 10 tabs open here, one with 3 tabs, and one with (believe it or now) 56 tabs open. I have to go close some now because that has to be close to freeze time. Otr500 (talk) 20:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Otr500, I also use many windows, most with very many tab a. Fortunately, I've always tried to keep op with new equipment--I enjoy testing the limits. : my experience is that the most reliable browser for multiple windows in safari, at least on a mac. I especially like the feature of adding text shortcuts at a system level, which is faster than add=on programs. . When you can get a new machine my advice is thst the limiting factor is memory, (for images, especially videos, processor processor speed, matters, but I usually just work with text). My most recent machine is a macbook pro with 32 GB. My next will be an imac with 64. replacing one with 16. What I can save on is storage--almost everything I have is either on the cloud, or on WP itself, . 500 GB is more than enough--but it has to be solid state. I'm told I can do just as well with linux, and with much less memory, but tho I used BSD unix long ago, I've forgotten most of it. WhatI like most about the current mac OS is failure recovery--if it does crash wtih too many windows, and it does, about once a week, , everything always comes back again--this did not use to bet he case even 2 or 3 years ago. Good luck, and may the computers keep up with you. DGG ( talk ) 09:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

8 years later[edit]

Was thinking of creating a page and I see one was made/deleted 8 years ago. Do I create the page from scratch? Can't even see the page from 8 years ago. MaskedSinger (talk) 12:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

first step is to tell me what page you have in mind. By email if necessary. DGG ( talk ) 00:18, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipediam.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Israellycool MaskedSinger (talk) 05:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It took some tricks to find it, but I moved the history to[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Israellycool.] I consider the deletion reasonable. It is however possible that there is newer material to be found. It would take something substantial, and I did not immediately see anything substantial and new in google. If you cannot find anything quickly, let me know, because i will re--delete it. (or perhaps you can find a possible redirect)? DGG ( talk ) 06:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you sir. I will get on this. MaskedSinger (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft : Edmond J. Safra Foundation[edit]

Dear DGG,

Thank you for your reviewing the Draft:Edmond J. Safra Foundation. I am contacting you as I would appreciate your advice on improving it. Is there an issue with the structure, specific terms or sources? Thank you very much for your help! TychéS19 (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the main issue is with the use of langage that seems to be promoting the aims of the foundation and praising its work. The article needs to be written from the perspective of an outsider, as a plain description, without emphasis. First step is to remove all boldface except for the first use of its name, and the automatic bold in the section headings; the second is to remove all adjectives of praise or importance , and look critically at other adjectives also. The third is to try to remove all non exact quantitative words, like "several". The 4th is to try to remove all references to its own publications as far as possible, and make sureeferences to cached pages show the fulll details of the original publication, including authors. titles. publication names, and dates. . The simplest guide is that if it would do as a web p. for the organization, it isn't suitable for an encyclopedia . DGG ( talk ) 00:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear DGG, Thank you very much for your very thorough and helpful response. I will rework my draft to address all of your comments . When the new version is ready, I will take the liberty to contact you again for your very valuable review. With best wishes, TychéS19 (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear DGG, Many thanks for the guidance you provided on my earlier draft. Here is a new Draft:Edmond J. Safra Foundation based on your remarks. It would be very helpful if you would kindly have a look and indicate if there are any other revisions which you would suggest. Once again, thank you for your review and invaluable help! TychéS19 (talk) 12:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Customized discretionary sanctions[edit]

Hi, I was reviewing Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 and it seemed to leave for a future discussion the question of "customized" sanctions devised by individual administrators applying discretionary sanctions. You and other arbs commented directly or tangentially on such a discussion, which I have made note of here. Just wondered if this is tabled for followup by Arbcom? Are you waiting for community action first? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would be easier for arb com to do it by its own internal resolution, and I have not given up hope for this. More later. DGG ( talk ) 00:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft : Pedro Hipólito[edit]

Hello DG,

I would like to ask you for your assistance in reviewing a page that you have declined earlier this year, correct it and make it ready for another review. Here's the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3APedro_Hip%C3%B3lito

Let me begin by saying that I work for Mr. Hipolito and that all of the content written on his draft page, are facts. But it has been seen as non npov compliant.

Also, is the information that my CEO is oftentimes impersonated and his image stolen, due to his exposure on social media, relevant to be added to the article?

I have not written this draft directly, but I reviewed and approved it. I am now taking care of this and want to understand how we can correct the draft, by complying with WP rules. in order for the article to be public.

Thank you for your time and effort.

Best regards.

PS.: It's my first edit. Sorry if anything is displaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsantos.media (talk • contribs) 02:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jsantos.medi, If you want to improve it, 1/ remove adjectives, 2/combine on-sentence paragraphs into longer units, 3/ replace his full name with the words "he" "him "or "his" , 4/ expand acronyms and explain names-there are several different companies known as SIBS 5/ provide translations of the titles of the articles. Then try to find one major story abbout t him that can not possibly be considered PR, and remove the references that are in fact disguised PR. Then someone else will review it. Whether he will be considered notable will depend on whether the refereces are references are not press releases or disguised pr.. And on your user talk page, make sure to give your conflict of interest in full. DGG ( talk ) 05:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance of neutrality[edit]

Your statement at the Medicine proposed decision that personally, had I been on the committee, I would have voted for remedy 1, perhaps as modified by Colin, and simply given warnings. I would have been as neutral as possible on the underlying dispute--I would not topic block the people who might have deserved it, for fear of affecting the content issue one way or another, even to a side i might have thought right. troubles me. The idea that ArbCom would be willing to tolerate non-neutral outcomes so that it can maintain the appearance of neutrality is not what I want from an Arbitration Committee. It also lends credence to the idea, often advanced by partisans, that when working in contentious areas uninvolved administrators must be careful how they administer remedies, making sure to apply remedies only in equal measure to both "sides". I hope you will give that idea more thought before proceeding with that thinking in a future case, especially because as recently as the 2019 election you were willing to defend GWE where you did not appear to operate with that mentality. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The role of the committee is not to punish people, but , as deletion policy says, to settle intractable conduct disputes--which , in reality, usually do have their origin in content disputes, as a great many RfA decisions have mentioned. this does create a dilemma, and you are right to mention it. We do not effectively settle conduct disputes by penalizing people or assigning blame--we setttle them by providing a way to apply WP policy so as to permit the communitycto resolve the underling issue in a cooperative way, and the great difficult is doing this in a way which avoids influencing content. It would be very easy, but very wrong, for arb com to settle conduct disputes by penalizing the people on one side of the dispute; the way to avoid it is to come as close as possible to penalizing nobody. cases do not generally reach arb come where one person only prevents settling of a dispute--the community nowadays usually handles these by itself. You, and possibly the committee, seem to think one side of this has prevented a NPOV decision on content, and ::I disagree.I do not know the basis of their thinking, as I do not yet know the internal discussions, but if it like many previous decisions, it is deciding who has behaved the worst when everyone had behaved badly. Since the two sides of a dispute usually in effect provoke each other, trying to decide this is pointless. The way top roceed is to find a way for the community to decide the underlying issue,--and I think the committee has done this in R1 in a way which I hope will prove very successful, whatever decision may be reached.
You say the committee should not tolerate non-neutral outcomes; if you are referring to the underlying issues, the committee can not decide this for the community, it can not directly decide which outcome of a content dispute is NPOV., and it should at least try to avoid doing so indirectly. If you mean non-neutral outcomes about who is guilty of the worst conduct, it should if possible resolve the dispute here too without assigning penalties, and I think it could be done here. I have my own view about who has behaved worst here, and it is tempting to say so, but it would not be helpful.
Now, when I am actually on the committee making a decision, rather than saying what i would have done if..., there is another factor.The committee must reach some decision, and it is not productive to prevent the formation of some sort of workable consensus, even if it is not the one I would have desired. I have therefore sometimes voted for opinions that I do not think the best result, but would settle the issue. I have usually done so in order to achieve a result which although unsatisfactory, is not as unsatisfactory as it might have been. I have only once or twice voted to oppose as a protest when I thought the commitee very badly wrong, usually by being over-legalistic. If I were doing things over, I might have done so more often. (to be continued) DGG ( talk ) 01:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You mention the Discussion of the GWE case. I said at the discussion: "The matter initially presented as a contents dispute proved out to feature the continuing harassment of the principal editor on one side of a dispute, and the attempts to coordinate action against one's opponents by the use of a Wikiproject as a cabal. " And so I still think, and I consider this perfectly consonant with my views here. That case featured the use of a cabal to destroy NPOV. Arb com knows how to deal with such cases, and did so. The present case consisted mainly of the attempt to use an arb com case to affect content". Arb com has not handled this anywhere near as well. DGG ( talk ) 02:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can't reconcile what you're saying about Medicine with what you're saying about GWE. In Medicine you're saying the committee should, do nothing against editors for fear of affecting the content issue one way or another. In GWE you're saying That case featured the use of a cabal to destroy NPOV. Arb com knows how to deal with such cases, and did so. I agree with what you're saying in GWE and hope that in the future when you're active on cases that you pursue that line of thinking to its logical ends - which will sometimes mean sanctions against editors and other times not. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In general, I am morel likely to agree with you than not; in this case the encyclopedia would benefit more from the coperation than ther emoval of these editors, regardless of what i personally think of their relative roles. Each case is different, and there is often a contradiction between valid general principles. As you said, "sometimes and sometimes not" DGG ( talk ) 18:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Andrii Klantsa[edit]

Dear DGG! Thank you for your attention to the article Draft: Andrii Klantsa that I am creating. This man is a leading cardiac surgeon, scientist, doctor of sciences, Honored Doctor of Ukraine, saves lives every day. I am sure that under your guidance, the article will become worthy of Wikipedia. Цифров (talk) 11:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Цифров, please remember to add the number of citations to each of his articles. that's what we principally go by. DGG ( talk ) 16:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Bing Liu (scientist)[edit]

Hi! Hope you're faring well throughout all this, personally. I know you're taking a step back, and this isn't time sensitive, but wanted to ask you/TPS for your thoughts on whether his works establish academic notability or not. Thanks StarM 19:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't actually stepped that far back-- it's more that some of the WP things i'm helping people with are not on-wiki to the same extent as usual.
Anyway, Bing Liu is marginal as a scientist; but the article was a poorly compiled bio �copy, and I'm in the process of rewriting it. I don't usually like to remove articles on marginally notable people if there are even absurd political implications, because this is where people look for information, so if they're likely to look we should have something accurate. DGG ( talk ) 06:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC) ��[reply]
Thanks, and completely make sense. I figured someone who published that prolifically had likely achieved some degree of notability, but with the way it was copied in from his CV somewhere, it was hard to judge merit. StarM 16:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oversight request[edit]

Dear DGG, could you please check the matter with the most recent edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Zhengli? Thank you in advance. Regards, L.

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