User talk:Dengero/Archive 3

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Barnstars for Kindness and being Modest

		The Modest Barnstar
		I feel the need to gve you this barnstar because you always work tirelessly on the pages you edit. They are appreciated! Shaggy9872004 (talk) 07:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		You always go around giving others help, compliments and barnstars. As a thoughtful member of this community, I give you this barnstar! Shaggy9872004 (talk) 07:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hoping you appreciate these because we appreciate you. --Shaggy9872004 (talk) 07:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

M resonance

I left a comment on the talkpage to cleanup Moonlight Resonance article. I see you edited this article before. Do you have any comments? Benjwong (talk) 07:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Edison Chen

Do not re-add the reincarnation allegations to Edison Chen until there's a consensus. See the explanation here. TJRC (talk) 08:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC) (Also, I note I misspelled your userid in an edit summary; apologies for that, it was slop on my part, and not a deliberate slight.) TJRC (talk) 08:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

My talk page

I have to temporarily revert your addition. No offense intended. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots

Consensus change on ROC/TW

I wanted to let you know that apparently there has been a change in the Wikipedia consensus on the use of "Republic of China (Taiwan)". If you recall (or not) from the discussion 2 years ago, the combination use can be applied for "origin". I'm not sure when it happened, but "origin" is now over on the "Taiwan" column, where "birthplace" was and is. There's also someone on the WPCLE talk page asking us to look at locale conventions again. Arsonal (talk) 23:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Miguel A. Suárez Fernández

Please explain your rational for requesting a speedy delete for this article? Callelinea (talk) 06:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.

While I can't support the delete on Kiladar, and I know you don't do this work for the appreciation of some random editor, I did want to thank you for pursuing killing off dictionary entries in EN WP, we have Wicktionary for that. All the best and happy editing.- Sinneed 21:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the appreciation =) Dengero (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for the encouragement, I've actually been visiting your user pages many times cos I've seen you editing Kay Tse before and Im still not very good at doing things such as inserting pictures and adding citations. I will be asking for your help in the future :D. Thankyou Unknown2004 (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Confused about why you undid my edits

Is there any particular reason you undid my changes to the Marriage of Inconvenience page on 14:15, 12 August 2010? I added several paragraphs to the plot summary that other people for some reason had skimmed over, but you decided to remove them all for some reason without leaving any justification in the edit summary. Could you elaborate on this?? I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm not an expert here but as far as I know I did nothing wrong. Thanks Apocman (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Arrow Scout Group page

I would like to know why did you put the Arrow Scout Group page up for speedy deletion? As far as im concerned, it meets the criteria of displaying importance or significance of the organisation.--Shuliang (talk) 14:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Why do you think Alpha chain is a hoax?

Why do you think Alpha chain is a hoax?--SPhilbrickT 16:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Port Blue - The Airship (Album) for deletion

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Hong Kong meetup

You're invited to the next Hong Kong meetup on 19 August in Think Cafe, Causeway Bay. Please sign up to the meetup on the meta meetup page. Hope to see you there! Deryck C. 16:11, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Sunny Day for deletion

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Nomination of Revolution (2R album) for deletion

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Besim Jahii

Just to let you know, I've changed the speedy deletion tag for Besim Jahii from WP:G1 to WP:A7 because it was (when you tagged it) not nonsense but written in another language (Albanian). --Mrmatiko (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your expertise. Dengero (talk) 01:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Attack pages

Hi. Thanks for tagging Bryan casey just now, but when a page is a personal attack like that, there is a better tag than {{db-vandalism}}: the one to use is {{db-attack}}, which puts it in a high-priority queue for admin attention, and generates a suitably fierce warning for the author. First blank the page, i.e. replace the whole content with {{db-attack}}, so as to get the attack off the screen. You can use {{db-atk}} or {{db-g10}} which are the same. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/God's Invitation

Hi, you said you might have been too tired... you created the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/God's Invitation but may have forgotten to list it on the AFD log. - – Fayenatic (talk) 20:11, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I just relisted it. Dengero (talk) 23:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Hong Kong meetup 58

In the area? You're invited to
Hong Kong Meetup # 58
	Date: October 21
	Time: 7PM
	Place: Think Cafe, Unit B, 19/F, Kyoto Plaza, 491-499 Lockhart Road, Causeway Bay
prev: Meetup 57 - next: Meetup 59

SusanLai (talk) 05:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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Thomas Weston (Merchant Adventurer entrepreneur)

I created this article not more that FIFTEEN MINUTES AGO. Kindly allow me to explain his notability. Mugginsx (talk) 14:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you should draft the article in one of your userpage subsections before publishing it. Dengero (talk) 14:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I am sure if you would give me one half hour I could make him relevent. This is ridiculous to delete after 15 minutes. Mugginsx (talk) 14:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Again, you could spend as much time as you like on a draft article in one of your userpage subsections. A speedy deletion is appropriate given the current state of the article. Complaining about it would not help. Dengero (talk) 14:57, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

That seems idiotic but I will comply. You may wonder why there are fewer and fewer editors on Wikipedia. You could not have waited 24 hours to see if there was anything noteworthy there. I have been here since 2009 but sometimes I wonder why when something like this happens. Mugginsx (talk) 15:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

It really is not that hard. Just create an article at User:Mugginsx\Thomas Weston (Merchant Adventure entrepreneur), edit until you are happy with it, then move the whole subsection to its new page. And wala, you won't get speedied (unless it's still not notable). Dengero (talk) 15:09, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I will do so but I would note that it does not state this as procedure in the Wiki Guidelines Wikipedia:Starting an article where it states: In the search box near the top right of a page, type the title of the new article, then click Go. If the Search page reports "You may create the page" followed by the article name in red, then you can click the red article name to start editing the article. I repeat that it is ridiculous and it is counter-productive to consider speedy deletion after 15 minutes of editing. I will take it up somewhere else. Mugginsx (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

advice

Dengero, the standard for A7 is no claim or indication of importance or significance. This is a very weak standard, deliberately so. All that an article need show is something that that might lead a reasonable person to think it might be suitable to include in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. It does not have to show notability -- notability is a much higher standard, with complicated rules. It does not have to be referenced. It does not have to meet whatever you own personal standard is.

Several of your recent speedies as a7 have been declined by several admins, or changed to other reasons. To consider only the clearest and most obvious cases:

The article above, incomplete as it was, at the very first edit indicated the person was a leader of a group planning to settle in early colonial America. That is a very clear indication of importance--and in fact, normally of notability also. (People who are just early settlers are sometimes deleted if there is nothing else, but even in the first edit there was more than that. And for someone to be a early 17th century settler is sufficient indication of importance to pass speedy, for there are often substantial references, and the community needs a chance to look for them.) There is no way it is an A7.

Rao Nandlal Chaudhary was asserted to be a famous general; though initially unreferenced, I found two good refs in Goggle Books in a few minutes to show that indeed he was. But even without them, there is, again, no conceivable way it could have been an A7.

The standard for G1 is patent nonsense, consisting purely of incoherent text or gibberish with no meaningful content or history. The article Wallis and futuna dance was not a good Wikipedia article, but it was not conceivably nonsense. Another admin. redirected it to the article about the place, a good decision. A number of your recent AfD nominations were also redirected, rather than deleted.

Please re-read WP:Deletion policy and WP:CSD before making further nominations for speedy, and pay special attention to the alternatives to deletion. ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)

Advice noted, whoever you are. Dengero (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, DGG is a pretty well-known admin who knows his stuff. Part of the reason he came here is that one of your CSD taggings was brought up at User talk:Jimbo Wales#losing new editors to Ridiculously Speedy Deletions (although the discussion has since moved on to other matters), which I see no one has brought up here. Not sure if you know or not, so I'll 'officially' notify you. Cheers, Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 02:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. Most of the articles going through the speedy process are duly deleted. Those that aren't are obviously worth keeping and I apologise to the user(s) who created them. Life goes on. Dengero (talk) 02:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Mugginsx (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Juliet starling

Sorry, you can't A7 a fictional character (even if they probably fail GNG and CRYSTAL...) I'd suggest prod, as it's not spammy in tone. Peridon (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it might be notable - there's an article about the game... Peridon (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps a redirect? Dengero (talk) 01:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Zad68's prodded it. Peridon (talk) 09:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Seats Changing Hands

Damn, I completely forgot there was an election coming up or I would've helped do the page. I suppose that's what happend if you have a late-night party the day before the election...nevermind.

OK, the bad news is that yes, I did do it manually. I used a former 'seats changing hands' table as a template, but that's about it. The rest is blood and sweat, especially for an election with a government change such as the Queensland one. If you don't want to do it, then that's fine; I will. I've done those tables about a million times before. Just let me know, OK, and I'll get down to it. Thanks, Kapitan110295 (talk) 22:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

OK ;). Kapitan110295 (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Michael Trout (Australian politician)

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New Queensland MPs

Thumbs up for taking the initiative to create pages for newly elected MPs. Please note they are still "member-elect" until sworn in. ShipFan (Talk) 05:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Campbell Newman will be sworn in as Premier tomorrow. The members-elect will be sworn in as Members of Parliament on the first sitting day of the 54th Assembly. This is another few weeks away. The Premier is part of the executive branch government, appointed by the Governor. The Legislative Assembly is the legislative branch of government. ShipFan (Talk) 05:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

No, this is wrong. They are members from the date of their election, not the date of their swearing in. See the Queensland Parliament website for confirmation (check up on past election dates and see the dates MPs' terms start from). Nice work though! Frickeg (talk) 05:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, don't think I've seen you around the OzPol waters before (although I've been fairly scarce myself lately), so welcome aboard. You're doing great work here, and we're always short of hands so I hope you'll stick around! (This beginning-of-term disagreement happens every single time; I'm thinking we need a statement on the project page or something explaining the way it works!) Frickeg (talk) 05:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm just another long-time lurker haha. Dengero (talk) 06:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 886 (number)

The article 886 (number) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not notable: not reliably sourced and dubious (88 is the only numeric slang I've seen for ByeBye in Chinese). Even if it were reliably sourced we don't need a page for a foreign slang term; we have Numbers in Chinese culture for things like this.

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Stop Wikistalking

If you do not cease your 5 year long harassment and wikistalking campaign against me, I will report you for harassment and WP:DICK. You are hereby banned from editing my talkpage.--YOLO Swag (talk) 00:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Mate, if your edits contribute positively to an article, I'm perfectly fine. But all you seem to do is to have revert wars with people, such as the Desinicization page. And no, I'm not stalking you, just that your edits turn up because you are editing the pages I'm watching. Now if you channel all that childish energy into content creation or at the very least, constructive monitoring, we will all be in a better world. Dengero (talk) 06:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, I have started a discussion on the talk page of Desinicization to end this pointless revert war. Perhaps you would like to contribute your point of view. Dengero (talk) 06:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• To be clear, if you post again at User talk:YOLO Swag or otherwise play games with this user, your account might be blocked. Don't do it. Wikipedia is a big place. I'm sure you can find something constructive to do that will not cross paths with YOLO. Thank you. Jehochman ^Talk 21:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
  • For the record, I will continue to do everything according to the rules. I have been patient with the above (above) user despite multiple personal attacks, and I am determined to stop any inaccurate or NPOV information from being added onto Wikipedia. It's unfortunate he has to get his buddies to back him up and not go through proper channels to what he thinks is "harassment". Dengero (talk) 00:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
    • For the record, I have blocked you indefinitely to prevent further harassment. When you agree to leave YOLO alone, you might be unblocked. I also strongly suspect that this account is a sockpuppet of User:Ideogram, or alternatively a close friend acting in concert with the person behind the Ideogram account. Either way the activity is forbidden. Jehochman ^Talk 12:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Dengero (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

sooo it's been a week since the email, I guess it didn't go through so I'm just going to try with the template. Anyway, so I have been blocked for 2 reasons: [1] 1. For being a sock puppet 2. Harassment against User:YOLO Swag For 1), I can't really say much else other than I'm not a sockpuppet, and I don't see how there was a reason to begin with other than a single accusation from a user I have a previous grievance with [2] For 2), which was set in place after Jehochman issued this warning[3], and I was banned for making these 2 edits only after the warning was set in place.[4][5]. If either of those statements was considered harassment of User:YOLO Swag, then I apologise. I prefer to see this block as unjustified and without community census but I'll promise I'll try not to cross paths with the above user again.Dengero (talk) 02:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Understanding that user will avoid YOLO. Jehochman ^Talk 01:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The reason you were blocked is that your first and second edits after receiving the warning were to: state that you would continue acting as before, and an attack on the person I told you to stop harassing. I oppose your account being unblocked until you acknowledge that what you did was wrong, and that you will stop once and for all. The above unblock request is problematic because you suggest the block was improper. Should you be unblocked I am concerned that you will return to the same disruptive style of editing because you don't understand what you did wrong. Jehochman ^Talk 13:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry can you point out exactly how I attacked the user in the second edit [6]. I'm pretty sure he made a pretty serious allegation first. I wasn't even part of this edit war in Desinicization between YOLO and Shrigley. In fact, I was the one who initiated the talks to stop this edit war. [7] And again here I promise I won't cross paths with him again. Dengero (talk) 13:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

You said, "2 blatant lies". Calling somebody a blatant liar is an attack. It's uncivil. I asked you to stop communicating with YOLO, and you immediately returned fire. Sorry, chap, you need to stay away from YOLO completely. Just ignore him. If he tries to needle you, let me know and I'll block him too. Jehochman ^Talk 13:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Very well, since the word blatant is considered an attack, I take it back and apologise for that. Still, a sock puppet? Where did that justification come from? I had to defend myself at the very least and only repeating what Shrigley had said [8][9] in asking him to stop his baseless accusations. Dengero (talk) 13:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

You aren't blocked for sock puppetry. Please stop using that straw man argument. Jehochman ^Talk 16:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

If the person lied and he can prove it call it what it is! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hell, would you please leave this page. You're not helping the user at all, and you aren't familiar with the long backstory. On the contrary, you are egging them on in a way that will make their block more permanent. Jehochman ^Talk 16:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

So I'm not competant enough to research a long story? Get real Jehochman, you make lots of accusations with very little backup to why it was done. Where is the sock investigation? You'd hold this editor responsible for my opinion is what you're also saying...that's the second threats I've seen fro you in as many weeks. Is your argument so fundementally flawed you have to resort to threats over what happens if a person disagrees with you? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

He's not threatening anyone. The purpose of a block is to prevent further disruption, and the best way to get a successful unblock request is to demonstrate an understanding of the behavior that led to the block and commit to avoiding it. Having someone egging on the disruptive behavior is inherently detrimental to that learning process. It's very similar to chanting "fight! fight! fight!" to a couple people having what was a simple argument. Please, step aside. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 19:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Very well, if I'm not blocked for sock puppetry, then all is good! I have retracted my attack, and I also promised I won't cross paths with him [10]. You must excuse me for feeling bitter, Jehochman, as this whole saga started with the Desinicization page, in which I watch, which started this case[11]. Two independent users had a quick look and both thought YOLO was in the wrong light [12][13] yet I'm the one blocked after YOLO posted on your wall personally instead of going through the official channels.[14] Dengero (talk) 22:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so we have an understanding. You ignore YOLO. If he does something wrong and you notice, still ignore him. Somebody else will surely notice. There are lots and lots of things to do here. Avoiding one editor leaves more than 99.99% of your possibilities open. Jehochman ^Talk 01:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)