User talk:Drmies/Archive 18

Apart from tone and an artificial segregation of alternative investments from investments generally, the third aspect of the way that alternative investments are discussed that has interfered with institutionally oriented examination of them is rampant terminological inexactitude.

John B. Abbink, Alternative Assets and Strategic Allocation: Rethinking the Institutional Approach (Wiley, 2010; p. 4)

DYK for Excarpsus cummeani

The DYK project (nominate) 12:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

He's back . . . .

Check out the user page for our old friend. (Note in particular to whom "some people" and "some vandals" pipe.) Dude makes it hard to AGF. Agricolae (talk) 01:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, not again. Thanks, you've made my day! Drmies (talk) 02:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• Well, I typed up a note for their talk page, and then didn't post it. Look, Agricolae, I'm putting the "I" back in "WP:RBI" (which, if you knew my real name, would be REALLY funny). Hey, you want Gewis to go to Ancestry of the kings of Wessex? (I stalked you all the way to Fastily's.) Drmies (talk) 02:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I decided to do the same, that and maybe use an IP to award myself a Barnstar.

Gewis needs to go back to 'Ancestry . . .' as it was before, since I (minimally) merged Gewis and Esla into it (which started all this). Agricolae (talk) 02:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done Drmies (talk) 02:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

BTW, are articles like List of Frankish synods up your alley? Drmies (talk) 03:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really - no personal knowledge, no sources. Not that these deficits stand in the way of some editors. Agricolae (talk) 06:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't there a Gewis Talk page that also needs restored? Agricolae (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't see anything, no. Drmies (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn. . . . Oh well, the mind is always the second thing to go (and I can't remember the first). That being said, this must be some kind of record for variety of policies violated, particularly given what was done to you today. Agricolae (talk) 22:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

My Talk Page

Do not leave me anymore messages about "skating on thin ice." I don't care who you are. I have made my position perfectly clear, and no amount of warnings or even banning will cease my efforts.--BuddyOfHolly (talk) 02:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hm. Are you asking to be banned? Drmies (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, you intimidate me so badly. --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems you have some issues with WP:RS. This must be followed. Also, this is a collaborative project; discussing significant changes, especially ones that appear to be contrary to what reliable sources say (maybe you have other sources?), is a very important aspect of editing here. LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 03:02, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Look, Drmies, I'm going to follow the Wiki rules, which you posted on my Peter Buck Atheist revert and ask the original poster if it is alright that I delete my OWN comments.--BuddyOfHolly (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The originator's pages (Just an IP address). The rules you referred me to: "It is best to avoid changing your own comments. Other users may have already quoted you with a diff (see above) or have otherwise responded to your statement. Therefore, use "Show preview" and think about how your amended statement may look to others before you save it.

Substantially altering a comment after it has been replied to may deny the reply of its original context. It can also be confusing. Before you change your own comment, consider taking one of the following steps:

Contact the person(s) who replied (through their talk page) and ask if it is okay to delete or change your text" --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Right--but why would you want to remove that in the first place? I mean, there's nothing embarrassing or weird in there that I recall seeing... Drmies (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

As the author, if I want to remove it, and I ask the original topic starter and he/she approves it, I can. Why should I give a reason?--BuddyOfHolly (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm just asking. Drmies (talk) 23:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

sorry (Keepweekmestary)

Sorry I'm learning, no more reverts.--Keepweekmestary (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good. Thank you--I would have blocked you if you had reverted again. See your talk page (in a minute) for a note to a larger discussion in which I think you should participate. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

-ok : Keepweekmestary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keepweekmestary (talk • contribs) 19:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

"I would have blocked you if you had reverted again". Drmies, you mustn't block someone with whom you're engaged in an edit war. Fences&Windows 20:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

How about this, "I would have asked for help if you had..." Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Cool. Is this category intersection useful in keeping an eye on the serial sockpuppeteer? link Fences&Windows 18:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that is fancy. I wish I were better with those geeky things. Yes, that strikes me as very useful, and I am going to leave it right here. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

And this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jacurek/Archive. Drmies (talk) 18:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Black box...

Hey there. When possible, I have noticed that you have added a user in Anna Frodesiak's black sandbox. If you are going to add that to the list, I do recommend that you put a status that I have created with Anna's permission. See the directions by clicking on the Extended Content in her sandbox page, and look for "Keys to the Above" section. Please try to add them when possible, as I do not want to attempt to look at the user's IP page and then having to check on the status and add them to the black box (as always, please preview before saving). If you need help, you may ask on my talk page (restrictions apply). Thank you for understanding. CHAK 001 (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

One more thing: Do not just add it to one side, please also add what you have written to the "All users" subsection in the Extended Content pulldown (do not sign there, please). CHAK 001 (talk) 02:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahem--you said 'thank you for understanding', but I don't think I understand. This is way complicated. I'll try. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The black sandbox is public. You don't need my permission.

As for the keys, I must agree that it is complicated. It's hard to figure out and remember, and in terms of at-a-glance usage, it appears baffling. I respectfully suggest abandoning that system. The objective here is keeping it simple: warn, revert, add to list (comments optional), move on.

(Please note that Drmies is an extremely competent and experienced administrator, who may not need too much help, probably previews, and will likely not violate the "restrictions" that apply to your talk page. When I read that, I spit tea all down my front. :) :) :)) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• I haven't looked at that talk page yet, but I saw a note on restrictions. I'm working on a very tedious article right now and I'm saving that for some relief. Thanks Anna. Hey, I'm glad I ran into one of those IPs, In flagrante delicto, so to speak. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

To clear up the confusion, use this method when you edit:

|-

| USER: {{checkuser|1=User name or IP address}}

| STATUS: What is the status of the user? Use the code name shown under "Keys to the Above" (Status).

| USER WARNED: Was the user warned? Use the code name shown under "Keys to the Above" (User Warned).

| NOTES: Important notes and other tasks also done by you may be added.

|-

I hope this helps you if you are editing Anna's sandbox. Sorry for the delay of response. CHAK 001 (talk) 03:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Drmies:  :)

CHAK: I very much appreciate the suggestion. I collapseboxed the stuff below to get it out of the way and simplify things. I don't think we need it. We have to ask ourselves what the purpose is of keeping detailed records. A list of IPs is good for a potential sock investigation, and possible range block. Even adding dates and actions has limited value. If there's a good reason for the system you suggest, please say. I'm just not seeing how it will eventually serve. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

<--As an aside, about talk page policy: Chak, you can't correct the spelling of a post someone has made unless you are absolutely certain they would agree, and even then it's wise to just not do it. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahem

I do believe you're supposed to notify a person when you mention her at ANI. ;-) LadyofShalott 01:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Well, yes, ahem. Hey, speaking of women, that novel is at DYK length. I'm thinking about writing up the movie and its director, for a triple nomination, or maybe also include Hannemieke Stamperius. Woohoo! Drmies (talk) 04:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan! LadyofShalott 13:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Does Dutch Film Academy = Netherlands Film and Television Academy? LadyofShalott 15:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, AFAIK. Drmies (talk) 16:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - it looked that way to me, but I wasn't comfortable enough with it just to make the switch, even though I saw sources that used both of those names regarding where she attended school. To answer one of you edit summary questions: I don't think we have the appropriate category - we have cats for LGBT-related films and for LGBT directors, but AFAICT, we don't have one for makers of LGBT-related films. LadyofShalott 19:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, odd, that category stuff. We're stuck in the "you can only make a lesbian film if you're a lesbian" kind of thing. A variant of "you have kids so you must be married" or "you breastfeed so you must not shave your legs (or, are lesbian, or, ride a bicycle)."

Indeed. <cough>time to archive some old threads<cough> LadyofShalott 22:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wim Verstappen

Any time - as always, I'm happy to be of assistance. Excellent work, per your usual standard. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Aysun (given name)

why did you delete persons from Aysun (given name)? It is not a disambiguation page. it is a page on a given name. why did you delete without reading? every line included links to names in English and Turkish wikipedia. what you did is not covered in WP:DDD.

Disambiguation pages are not articles – they are navigation aids!

Aysun (given name) is an artilce on a given name. not a dd. and all the person names are notable according to notability guideline--Polysynaptic (talk) 19:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, but navigate what? It's not exactly a dab page, I'll grant you that, but why should a wikipedia article provide links to non-english wiki pages? Besides, wikipedia is not a source for wikipedia. If you can show me where our Manual of Style, for instance, gives guidelines on articles about given names that allow for such basically unreferenced linkage, I'll gladly change my mind. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
• BTW--you say "All persons fit in notability guideline." Why not write those articles then? Drmies (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to make sure we don't duplicate efforts...

I've started working on a sandbox version of Rembrandt Award from the Dutch article. LadyofShalott 00:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've got a first pass at User:LadyofShalott/Rembrandt Award. Would you please check it for accuracy and sense? I need to do some referencing also before it's ready to go live - there was none in the Dutch article. LadyofShalott 00:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Lady. Drmies (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

79.112.**.** vandalization

This address belongs to an ISP that uses dynamic addressing, so you may not be speaking to the same person every time. I don't particularly pay attention to what IP I have at any given moment, since it changes every time I connect, but I just checked the revision history for the Edgar Davids page and I see no entry from 79.112.**.** in the last 500 revisions (you know to what address you sent the notice). I'll be happy to login multiple times after each new IP to prove it's not connected to this account. --Anticitizen101 (talk) 02:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, it stands to reason that things change after two years. I am not sure what you are trying to tell me, but I've been known to be dense. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I had received an IP-based vandalism warning message from you yesterday (related to the Edgar Davids page), after browsing wikipedia for about half an hour, so I assumed it was something recent. Either way, it was a different address from the one you just linked, and I forgot it already (dynamic IP and all). Oh well. --Anticitizen101 (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Concilium Germanicum

Materialscientist (talk) 05:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of Frankish synods

Materialscientist (talk) 05:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Woohoo--279 hits! Hey Scientist, is that an all-time low? Drmies (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Thanks, hopefully someone will shut racist editing down. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Good article question

Hey Drmies. This is Rp0211 from Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents#User:Mattchewbaca. I have a quick question about the articles I had up for good article nomination. I had Who We Are (Lifehouse album) and First Time (Lifehouse song) both up for nomination until Mattchewbacca failed both of my articles. Do you think I should nominate both of these articles for a second good article nomination or do you think it should be a GA1 considering the situation with Mattchewbaca? Thanks. - Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 04:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Rp--I haven't looked at those reviews, so I don't know if they are acceptable (whether pass or fail). I said "quash" with the benefit of ignorance, but this might be best asked on the appropriate GA talk page, or you could ask one of the seasoned reviewers directly--Cirt or Malleus come to mind. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 14:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Boston

Hello, I noticed in a comment on the administrator's notice board that you will be at the Boston Ambassadors gathering next week. I will be there as well, along with my wife, on our first trip to Boston in 27 years. I look forward to meeting you and working collaboratively in the future. Cullen328 (talk) 06:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Me too! And it'll be nice to get out of this awful Southern heat. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• More than a feeling
  • Yeah, like I'm really going to click on that and get rick-rolled again. Thanks Bongo. Gimme some WikiLove, man. Drmies (talk) 15:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: WikiLove

As to your comment:

"Praising other's edits by clicking on a button and dropping a template is indeed about as deep as clicking "like" on Facebook--a hollow act producing a formulaic compliment (even if they can be tweaked whimsically) that requires no investment and is therefore meaningless. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)"

Thank you for saying what I was thinking in a better way than I could have said it.

Sven Manguard Wha? 17:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Usually you say things better than I do, so thanks! I'd drop you some WikiLove, but it's lunchtime. Don't feel slighted! Just cause I didn't template you doesn't mean I don't love you! Oh shit, I'll template you anyway just to make sure. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

		The Kumquat of Appreciation
		Sven Manguard has given you a Kumquat of Appreciation. Kumquats are not part of the WikiLove system, so you know that the person giving you this citrus fruit spend more than seven-tenths of a second to create this award and give it to you. The template is custom made. Enjoy! Thank you for thanking me with a dust kitten, it was the best laugh I've had in a while. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• The Kumquat of Appreciation! I am equally honored and amused! I guess I'm starting to like this WikiLove thing, though I'd never place one on a new editor's talk page. Thanks Sven! Drmies (talk) 19:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• You did make this from scratch, didn't you? Bravo! Drmies (talk) 19:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

		The Loquat of Appreciation
		Bongomatic has given you a Loquat of Appreciation. Loquats are not part of the WikiLove system, so you know that the person giving you this rosaceaen fruit spent lesss than seven-tenths of a second to create this award and give it to you. The template is stolen from Sven Manguard. Enjoy! Bongomatic 23:33, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

It still says Kumquat once; "Bongomatic has given you a Kumquat of Appreciation." Thanks for crediting me for the fruit. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

		The Diddly-squat of Appreciation
		Mandarax has given you a Diddly-squat of Appreciation. Diddly-squats are not part of the WikiLove system, so you know that the person giving you this null set spent more than seven-tenths of a second to create this award and give it to you. Alas, I could find no free image of Ned "Diddly" Flanders. Please do not misconstrue the meaning. A diddly-squat is next to nothing, and nothingness is a very important concept, from the ancient Greeks to Sartre and beyond, so a diddly-squat of appreciation is a great deal of appreciation indeed. The template is stolen from Bongomatic, once removed from Sven Manguard. Enjoy! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ha! Beat me to it as I was pondering a suitable image. Excellent. - Sitush (talk) 00:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

That provided me which a much needed laugh. Thanks! LadyofShalott 00:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

"giving you this null set" sounds like something kinky. Just saying... Sven Manguard Wha? 00:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

TWSS, unfortunately. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

And in order not to present undue weight to WikiLove, bearing in mind the other POVs of WikiHate and WikiReallyDoNotCareLess, I present below Reaper Eternal's response to my point on, erm, just that issue ;) - 00:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

This user WIKIHATES you with a passion and would like to do this to you!

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be funny or what... but.. eugh. That's repulsive. LadyofShalott 00:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the last one, it kind of ruins all the other nice ones. Sorry Sitush--would you like a one-second block to go with that? Mandarax, if you tell a joke, does it come with a disclaimer? ;) Don't worry, old friend, I can take it, haha. Thank you all for keeping me in mind, templatedly or otherwise. Drmies (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I thought that turning nothing into something was part of the joke, and I was proud of how elegantly, logically, convincingly and yet amusingly I was able to do so. But yes, my jokes usually begin with a disclaimer and end with an apology (or vice versa; I'm flexible), and if written, include footnotes throughout. Oh, and I've never used an emoticon on Wikipedia. There have been times when I've wondered if others realized I was joking, but I always figure "screw 'em if they don't know". (And I really want to add a disclaimer footnote here, but I'll resist.)

Remaining quats available include limequat, paraquat (image: either its molecular structure or a marijuana leaf), and plain old squat, although the accompanying image I'm picturing for that one ain't pretty. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Lady, speaking of love, did you see my latest block? Does one get paid extra when it's really right? Drmies (talk) 00:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Extra? What are you implying? If any such bonus were in existence, you'd deserve it for that. What a charmer. LadyofShalott 01:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ha! Your feigned innocence isn't fooling anybody. We know that you admins pull in the big bucks! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Just delete the "passed on" Reaper content. I don't mind. This is your TP and you are welcome to quat quash it. - Sitush (talk) 09:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I'm going to leave it for historical purposes. I just dropped a nice one on your talk page as well. @Mandarax, your opening sentence in the above remark, you should be proud of that. I appreciate the remaining quats as well and hope that others will take the hint. Warning: emoticon coming. ;) Drmies (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

dying fetus

hello lad. the change i made to the dying fetus is legitimate they're not a punk band, not grindcore. death metal... some asswipe keeps putting that they're hardcore punk, and they're not. it's death metal, man... no punk, no grindcore, no -core anything. if you can make the fixes, that would be swell. thanks, pal.

• Yeah, no. Buddy. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• I'm glad you stopped edit-warring and removing those sources. I left a note on your talk page about genre and references. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Banning Vandalizing Ip Addresses

Hey Drmies, I noticed that your an administrator and I was wondering if you could block an IP address for me due to constant vandalization to article Riverview. He constantly changes it to say that their is a school named after him and one of his friends, he does this constantly on a page I try to maintain very much. If you could also lock this page so only certain people could edit that would be wonderful too, for I don't know how to. Ip is 99.253.238.31 Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrandonsLe (talk • contribs)

• Are you talking about this Cody Stevens stuff? They added that, and you removed it--not much of a problem, it seems. I gave them a level-2 warning, and that is the way to do this. Keep warning them, and when they go past 4, report them to WP:AIV. But that IP has performed one single series of edits, far from enough to be blocked for right now. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I need help with Babel de-babbling, so ....

	The Babel De-Babbling Prize
	Your skill with words has already solved many problems. I award you this unique prize, not only to thank you, but also to soften you up so you'll help me with something. Besides, you don't have enough WikiLove messages on your talk page yet, so I'm helping you fix that. Sharktopus talk 11:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• If you have time or ideas, or if any stalkers do ... Uppsala University has three botanical gardens (one main, two satellites). The name of the main one is "Botaniska trädgården," meaning in English exactly "Botanical garden." If I call the article "University of Uppsala's Botanical Garden" that makes it sound as if UU has only one garden, which is incorrect. In the category "Botanical gardens in Sweden" the one in Lund is Botaniska trädgården (Lund). So I named my article in a parallel way, Botaniska trädgården (Uppsala). Did I do wrong, and if so what should I do now? Sharktopus ^talk 11:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I think maybe Project Sweden can help. I've linked this thread there. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I've always felt that the Uppsalaians are a bit more stuffy than the homely, down-to-earth Lundians. Do you know my aunt got married in Lund Cathedral? Who needs three botanical gardens? But why not name it Botanical garden (Uppsala)? I mean, that is what it is called. If the Linnean garden weren't older, you might not feel this troubled--but I sense that you're somewhat embarrassed, and don't want to usurp the "Botanical garden" concept for the upstart which is, after all, only some 300+ years old. I do appreciate your respect for age!

But with such utilitarian names, I think you should just move it to the English title. After all, Linnéträdgården is translated also. Do you need a capital "G" for garden, in line with Linnaean Garden? I'd go with Botanical Garden (Uppsala) or even Botanical Garden, Uppsala--but it's about time for Mandarax to weigh in, I think. I'm going to make some redirects while the cereal is cooking. BTW, Sharktopus, really nice job on that article! Drmies (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but I´m just getting started. I need to write up its Orangery too so I can tell about the poor early-nineteenth-century lion somebody gave UU which they put into a room on its SECOND FLOOR and wondered why it languished. Poor old lion. They tried to cheer it up by bringing in a live ... maybe I had better stop there, at least for now. Sharktopus ^talk 16:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey invertebrate fish person, I took the liberty of putting that really nice garden of yours up at DYK, and I think it's already approved. Unfortunately, for a review I ran into an article with some problems... Seriously, I hope that's OK with you; if not, if you had other plans, we can pull it. I included the picture of the orangery. Drmies (talk) 21:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• That was such a kind thought and enjoyable surprise -- thank you! I had been hoping to work those 128 cannons into the hook, but now my brain is too fried to do a good job on it. Must sleep. No, more accurately, already sleeping sitting up. Must sleep lying down with eyes shut. Hey, did I hear you are in Boston this weekend? Sharktopus ^talk 01:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Oh, no problem. Yes, I will be in Boston. You too? Anyone? Well, natti natti! Drmies (talk) 02:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I do have a project in mind, so in case my work/travel allows, keep an eye out for big shark heads walking on tentacles. The Museum of Fine Art and the Gardner are right near Simmons, though you probably don't have free time to visit either. Also, will I mess things up if I change the article name while it's up at T:TDYK? Sharktopus ^talk 19:25, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

S.L. Sadhu

You referred S.L. Sadhu to me a week or so ago, having done a clean up of the thing. I have struggled to find any additional content other than sourcing various works by the guy. Most of those works are short and perhaps more akin to academic papers rather than full-blown books, although he does appear to have jointly edited some other stuff.

There was definitely a POV-pusher involved and in consequence I have cleaned up numerous other articles where that person had inserted a note about Sadhu. Beyond this, I cannot progress things further. The guy appears to be at best borderline notable, especially given that I can find no detail of the national prizes one source says he has been awarded, nor indeed the UNESCO prize. - Sitush (talk) 13:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Sitush, thanks for your note, but thank you even more for doing that work. But given that basically this is all the evidence there is, and that from an anthology he is in, do you think we should send it on to AfD? Thanks again, Sitush! Drmies (talk) 14:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• I would AfD it, in the hope that the process might flush out detail of the prizes etc. If it does not do so then it will have to take its chances, which do not look good. I am reliant on online sources for most info at the moment & it may be that the detail relating to the prizes never made it online. NB: the anthology only includes an excerpt from one of his works and, as far as I can make out, that is a translation rather than a truly original piece of writing. - Sitush (talk) 14:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Vutsa Prang / Wuchha Prang / Utsa Prang (and there are many more transliterations) is the Kashmiri work for which he's supposed to have won the UNESCO prize. Based on the subject matter of the book, I'd have thought it would have been the Kalinga Prize, but apparently not. But if you search for that book, you'll find that it was one of the first "dry subject" Kashmiri book "taking the physical sciences to the layperson." Judging from this link, apparently UNESCO offered some award to science book writers in 1962, so you might be able to find it in some 1962 Microfiche newspaper at the 'bama or Manchester libraries. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Yeah, let me go run to the library and ruin my eyes looking at microfilm from the 1960s. Spiff, you have no jurisdiction in my territory. Thanks for taking the time to look into it--in the absence of actual evidence, and given that this is hardly the biggest of prizes handed out by UNESCO, it seems to me that AFD is still the way to go. What do you say? Drmies (talk) 21:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't know, the evidence right now looks bleak, but I'd like to think he's notable and we've just not been able to find sources because that's from the pre-online era and the fact that his magnum opus was in Kashmiri and not English. BTW, let your daughter know that I fight vandalism with my cape on. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 21:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Bleak it is, indeed. I do accept that there may be sources and therefore, at least theoretically, some of the claims would be verifiable, I also do feel that at some point we have to say "so verify it, please". It would appear that this chap is still living (there is a 1917 d.o.b. but no note of death) and so quite a bit of the little that exists in the article should probably be removed under BLP policy. However, you two are admins and (more importantly) have massively more experience here than I do. I'll go with the flow. - Sitush (talk) 01:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
        • I'm not saying that it shouldn't go to AfD, I'm only "wishing" that it didn't have to come to this. —SpacemanSpiff 05:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Adminstar!

		The Admin's Barnstar
		Thank you for all the work you have been doing cleaning up after vandals and spammers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Reaper! Much WikiLove to you too. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
• Cleaning up after vandals? I have no idea what you mean! LOL! We love you really Drmies! J.Gowers (talk) 22:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Vildhjarta

Just to let you know I've removed the speedy from Vildhjarta - given that two albums on a notable independent label constitutes notability, one album and an EP certainly constitutes significance. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Ironholds, I read this (dated May 2011) as meaning they just signed with them. So at least that EP (2009) wasn't on that label, and even if the album was (which I can't really tell without more info), then it's only one which in that case may not even be released yet. Now, if you interpret signing with them as an assertion of notability, that's fine with me. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• CSD is about importance, not notability, I thought? I have found this to be a somewhat frustrating difference in standards. - Sitush (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sitush: yup, it is. Maintaining two standards and making one of them incredibly vague is justified, but also highly frustrating, yes. Drmies; I understand your reasoning; unfortunately the tendency (and the path I have to enforce) is to accept any evidence of "significance" regardless of whether it is or is not complete bollocks. If anyone is interested in fixing up this article, drop me an email; I have LexisNexis access and can try to rustle up some sources. Ironholds (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

That they have merely recorded an album and an ep is enough of an assertion of significance? Really? I'm not sure I've always given that much leeway in deciding speedies of bands. Anybody can claim to have recorded a dozen albums with home equipment. It doesn't mean they've sold a single one or performed for anybody anywhere.) LadyofShalott 18:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC) I just reread the "notable independent label" bit. LadyofShalott 18:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

<--Ironholds, just to make myself clear, the article does not state that the album was released on that label. I'm not even talking about bollocks, just about what is and isn't said. The band certainly doesn't have "two albums on a notable independent label". Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC) <--Sitush, CSD is about whether or not a claim to notability (importance, whatever) is asserted. The claim may be a lie, or vague, or whatever--but such a claim has to be made to (theoretically) avoid speedy deletion. If you don't say or otherwise indicate that your MySpace band (yes, I heard your tracks--a bit too 80s for me) is important (hinting at the notability standards for musicians), you can get tagged and deleted (under CSD A7). Drmies (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: your reply to me, yes, indeed. That is another part of what I find frustrating about it. There seems to be some arbitrariness regarding whether the claim has to be asserted or if it can be surmised. I have lost count of the number of CSD tags that I have had overturned on the basis of an admin view that "well it must be important even though it doesn't say so ..." We should not have to surmise importance but that is what seems to happen. Almost invariably in these circumstances, if I have bothered then to PROD the article, it does in fact end up being deleted. I note that in this case, btw, the lead says they are "progressive" but the label website story cited says that they are "groove" - these music classifications also piss me off and tend to be a source of a ridiculous number of add/revert cycles.- Sitush (talk) 21:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Happy (belated) Canada Day!

I walked into the kitchen to day to see the 4 year old playing iBacon on my iPad...I was never prouder. I would have dropped in earlier, but I had to hit the emergency room on the 30th, it appears that when flaming citronella gel hits your face, it produces some pretty bad burns...I am OK, and there should't be much permanent damage. You should have seen the little guy imitate my stop, drop, and roll technique (for that matter, I should have too, but I was a little busy being on fire). I was told it was quite cute. I did however have to cancel my trip to Ontario. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Yikes! That's scary. I'm glad you're [going to be] ok. A belated happy Canada Day to you... now leave the hot citronella stuff alone. I hope they gave you some good stuff for pain. LadyofShalott 00:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

It's actually not as bad as you would think, although I do have some Tylenol 3 and am practically made of Polysporin, it has cleared up a lot over the next could days. I am supposed to keep out of the sun, but I don't really like the sun anyway. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Sun in Canada? Drmies (talk) 00:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

That was my thought, exactly! - Sitush (talk) 00:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

There hasn't been much lately, but it is staring to pick up. You know, it is funny, on Facebook, I am actually a fan of "not being on fire"...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 00:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

←Just about healed up, you wouldn't believe the difference between today and a week ago. I will still have to stay out of the sun for quite a few months. Anyway, gotta run, I think the 4 year old is showing the 10 month old some WWE Capitol Punishment moves...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Your encouragement might be appreciated

Way back when, you first appeared as a blip on my radar when you dropped by on my talk page with some encouraging comments regarding what was a (metaphorical) decimation of University of East London and its related articles. As I recall, your comment related to how I was explaining things in the edit summary, step by step. You will never know how much that meant to me. It was an awkward situation, I was still fairly green when it came to dealing with disputes and your common sense, humour and relaxed attitude really did settle me down.

Now, I am dealing with someone who may perhaps also benefit from a little boost on the confidence side of things. I took CaroleHenson under my wing when she first started contributing and, after an initially awkward phase, she really has come on very well and has contributed hugely in various spheres. But her confidence has taken quite a knock recently, much of which may well be down to personality clashes. There appears to be no doubt that some of the stuff she has done falls into that mysterious and somewhat subjective realm of close paraphrasing (an issue regarding which I would be amazed if I have not transgressed myself at some point) but I feel that the real issue is more related to how such problems are explained etc than with the substance. She is keen and willing, helpful to others and prepared to learn but may now be a little unsettled with self-doubt. In this instance, there is no dispute, far from it: she recognises that there are issues and is keen to resolve them, but may it seems may be in a bit of a panic mainly because of the way things have been communicated. A good faith contributor who is prepared to self-review, take on advice, query etc should not, imo, be in that state.

So, while I do not expect you to work through the entire back-story, which is complicated and involves some long-term and respected contributors, your gentle touch and humour may achieve more in settling and advancing things from her perspective. It does not involve becoming in past issues but rather "popping in" now and again to pass a comment. It need not be a complimentary comment, either: just another set of eyes of the type that you possess would do the trick, I feel. No obligation ... but I have some photos of the Goldie! - Sitush (talk) 00:56, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Most recent thread, on my TP - User_talk:Sitush#Self-review:_other_articles - Sitush (talk) 01:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Gentle touch? You're too kind. I looked at those threads and a few relevant articles, but only briefly (I'm also writing my presentation for Boston). It seems to me, at first glance, that you have an editor of excellent will. I have not looked at more than a few individual edits, but she seems to have common sense and a good grasp of the English language, and that's helpful. This paraphrasing business, that's tricky. I did not go back far enough to see where she was criticized (if that's what happened), and some of the regulars here will know how painful it is to be accused of all-too close paraphrasing. So I'll be glad to help where I can--and call on me if there's anything specific. Sorry, gotta run now, if momentarily, Drmies (talk) 02:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Dear: Thank you for being so careful.But this is emergent. I need your help. I am doing larry young as a class project. Its due last friday. I used information from different website. I wonder that how do I improve and could be posted on the wiki? i wonder that where can I find the official information about Larry Young? Thank you. Best Regards Xiaoming Ding Bestjazzeditor (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the barnstar! The problem was, of course, that you copied information from a website--you can't do that for Wikipedia, and you can't do that for class. If you want to improve the article, which would be a great thing, look for reliable sources. Simply Googling and hitting on some "official" website will not get you far. First stop, really, is the library. Second stop, Google Books. And have a look at WP:RS, our policy on what sources count as reliable; it will quickly tell you that such websites, how well-intentioned they may be, don't make the cut. Finally, I am glad that you are working on this article: Young was a GREAT musician. Love Devotion Surrender and Nine to the Universe are among two of the best albums I have ever heard. You may want to look at those two articles: they're not half bad, and they cite plenty of reliable sources, including a few that specifically praise Young's playing. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Statewide office and notability

I need a friendly citizen of the US. That's you.

WP:Notability (people) says that a judge is notable if they hold/held a statewide office. I rather think that being on the bench of the Missouri supreme court is a statewide office. Am I right? It would be v. handy if I am, as I can write a small article that ties that person (a Silas Bent) in as the father of several people who already have articles here, eg: William Bent and Charles Bent, and a daughter who was the wife of Lilburn Boggs. I do realise that N is not usually inherited, hence I need the hook until I can do more research. - Sitush (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

You didn't ask me, but I think that should count. :) LadyofShalott 18:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

That will do me, thank you. See Silas Bent (judge). There will be more info out there, when I get round to it. I've now got to cross-ref, add to disambig page etc but will wait for it to be patrolled. - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I was doing NPP when it appeared. It is patrolled. LadyofShalott 19:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. How much do I owe you? <g> - Sitush (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, you're welcome. Just help me out with some article of mine sometime! :) LadyofShalott 19:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

No probs. Any article of yours will be next on my list after the entire works relating to Indians (Asia) and Indians (Native American). Oh, and my prizefighters + defunct companies. So fairly soon, then? ;) - Sitush (talk) 20:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, sure. I mean - you'll have all that done by next week, right? ;) LadyofShalott 21:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Once upon a time ... Right now, with the recession etc, I doubt that even donning the superpower-y cape of SpacemanSpiff would enable me to keep up with the number of defunct businesses. But, seriously, yes. I am always happy to help out within (and sometimes slightly beyond!) my capabilities. Just yell. There are issues with the Silas article (pretty much single source and, as a consequence, difficult to avoid close paraphrasing) and I guess that in a sense I have gamed the system even to cause it to survive NPP. I have a gut feeling that there is more out there and I am pretty good on sourcing, so time is all I need. - Sitush (talk) 23:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

<--Happy 4th, Sitush--I'm not a citizen. Drmies (talk) 00:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• And, yes, correct, and if the Lady says it it's always correct. Lady, I haven entirely sober for the entire day--I'm clearly not much of a US citizen. I did eat hot dogs, ribs, barbecue, and went 50 mph on a Waverunner, so I'm working on it. Happy 4th! Drmies (talk) 00:48, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(a)I wish! (But thanks for saying so anyway.) (b) You may not be a US citizen, but not being sober on the 4th - that is not relevant testimony. (c) Sounds like you had a fun day. Happy 4th to you as well, even if the day means absolutely nothing special to you! LadyofShalott 00:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it meant a ton of fun! Not so much fun: we saw what the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak did in St. Clair County, Alabama--our friends live, fortunately, right on the other side of the ridge, so they were spared the devastation. They're still cleaning it up; it was amazing. Anyway, thanks for your note, and congrats on the new signature; it may take me while to get used to it! Drmies (talk) 01:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's bad stuff. I have a friend who had some damage in that storm, but not as bad as many folks. I've been up through Ringgold, Georgia and seen some of the damage they took in the same storm event. LadyofShalott 01:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

I decided to spend seven-tenths of a second to show something warm and fuzzy. I would write more, but it would take too much time. Ucucha 18:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Ucucha. The thought is appr

TV station vandal - Black sandbox closure

We were thinking that it's about time to do something about the tracking page (see the bottom of the page).

Ages ago, I socktagged a few with this IP as the master, as there was no registered user to choose from. I did this mainly to tie them together for others who come across the phenomena.

So, I am not sure how to get this into official channels for a range block and out of my sandbox. Could you please help? Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Anna--I'm afraid that's out of my pay range and over my head. The little that I know about range blocks teaches me that for now I should stay out of it. It's time to call on one of the experts--Tnxman, HelloAnnyong, Beyond My Ken. Drop them a line linking to the evidence; I'm afraid I'm too much of an amateur to do anything more than whack (block) the individual mole that comes by. Thanks, and please keep me posted, since I wish to learn. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction. Here's the link. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Just leaving this here because you were right. It was a while ago but you were right. I was being so immature about the whole thing. Sorry. Lunagron (Talk)  06:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• That was a while ago, indeed. I see you haven't edit in a while, so welcome back. No hard feelings; thanks for the cookie--like I really need more food after all this 4th of July debaucherie... Drmies (talk) 00:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Question

Dear Sir. I am doing the larry young as a class project. And my information didn't get your approval. I wonder that how could I get a reliable website? How could my wirting could be approved? Thank you for your help.

Best Regards Xiaoming Ding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestjazzeditor (talk • contribs) 13:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• You asked already, above, and I answered, also above. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Since you have kids...

Could you take a look at L. Satyajit Mohanty (talk · contribs), Satyajit Mohanty (Luke) (talk · contribs) and Anshuman001 (talk · contribs)? Two appear to be socks, third could be a friend. But my bigger concern is that they're publishing too much personal info about a minor (including photographs). I left a guidance for younger editors note on one account and another note on the other, but the Luke account was created after that. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 15:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Yeah, that seems pretty obvious. I've left them all notes on socking and meating; let's hope that they'll stop so we won't have to go through the trouble of an SPI. Drmies (talk) 16:14, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
  • They've got a couple of pics up at Commons, don't know if Commons deletes for these kinds of reasons -- child privacy etc (they refused to delete factually wrong maps because that's out of their domain, so not sure if they're up to terms on this). Might not be a bad idea to leave those images for a couple more days as that's how I saw the new page. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Why would you block my request for help with improving the quality of that article

19:10, 5 July 2011 Drmies (talk | contribs) (96,952 bytes) (→Table is getting out of hand, they won't let me delete anything unrelated: block) (undo)

Why?--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)That was a new section that Drmies was starting by just adding on to your section. In his hurry he must have forgotten to delete the section title from the edit summary, he probably read your section to actually respond to it, so don't take it as a response to you. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 20:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm seems to be ok atm and it got a reply. Sorry for bothering you! Feel free to delete this section--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Spiff. But I would think that anyone reading the content would see that it's under a different heading. I never delete such stuff from the edit summary--but if you are going to bring that up at my RfC, then I'll change. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Madras Public Libraries Act

Doc, I know you like libraries and stuff and given that you're an honorary Tamil and all that jazz, would you like to expand this? I've been meaning to write this for a really long time -- it's one of those landmark laws IMO as it created such wonderful public libraries in Tamil Nadu that've I've used so much in the past. However, the subject of libraries itself appears to be more up your alley (and the Lady's I think?), so would you be able to provide some content for it? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 14:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, the Lady does have a professional connection with libraries, yes. If you'll thrown in an honorary ethnicity for her she might be tempted. I'll have a look, dear Spiffy, but I'm going to be a bit busy the next few days. You doing alright? Where are you at these days? Drmies (talk) 14:33, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
• I had a look, but this kind of outside my area of expertise--the best I could do would be to plow through Google and collect information, but I really don't know much about the law (or, ahem, that neck of the woods). Drmies (talk) 21:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... interesting. I'll see what I can find, but it'll be at least a couple days before I add anything at all to it, most likely. Drmies, have a good meeting! LadyofShalott 22:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

@Doc, there's a lot of sources available on gbooks and I suspect gscholar too (this is considered to be a landmark law in terms of public libraries in India), but my biggest issue is that I haven't a clue about what the structure of the article should be and so on, I tried to find other similar laws on wiki but couldn't find any. Enjoy the meetings. @Lady, if you could help with defining a structure and mention what info would actually belong in such an article, I think we could source easily (some of the sources are only snippet views on gbooks, but I've found them listed at many US libraries on worldcat). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 09:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A belated update here: LoS has passed the baton to l'il ole me, with a promise to get involved if I can start things moving. I shall do my best but have not even looked at the sources yet. I have the feeling this one could be hammering JSTOR's repositories quite heavily. - Sitush (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK

I have clarified how your comment was clearly OR and how I have addressed your concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

JSTOR doc for a (deceased) character assassination

Realise that you are busy, but no rush. Can you see this at JSTOR? And if so then could you possibly oblige me with a copy, please?

I am starting to compile a list of relatively modern opinions of James Tod, regarding whose works I have serious doubts. The darn things are used widely across India-related articles and I doubt very much that they should be. If that sounds like I have already made up my mind then bah humbug. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Yeah, from the office I can do that in a minute, but I'm on the road and this f*&^ing airport connection keeps going in and out. Cheapskates. I'll get back to you when I get back! Drmies (talk) 15:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
  • LoS has obliged, thank you. Enjoy your weekend of jabbering. - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Ah, she's a good person and an even better stalker. I'm listening to Sue Gardner right now. Boston is a fantastic city--almost European! Drmies (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Hmmm... do I take that as a compliment or an insult? ;) I'll be curious about what WP insights you gain in Boston. I have run (literally - our plane was late, and we almost missed our connecting flight) once through the Boston airport, but the brief view out the windows is all I've seen of that city. LadyofShalott 16:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
        • Just be sure you don't drive in that city, I couldn't understand most of the cusses thrown in my direction because all those /r/s were apparently stolen by ya'll from the south. —SpacemanSpiff 17:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
          • Haha, I was on the subway--and it broke down. I've been hoofing it a lot. Lady, I have nothing but compliments for you. So far I've met a lot of interesting and nice people. I'm in a session about WP in the classroom. One conclusion already is that online ambassadors are more helpful than campus ambassadors, and that seems to be because online ambassadors offer individual, practical help, which confirms one of my suspicions. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
            • That's interesting... and I can see how it could be the case. Maybe the campus ambassadors are better at getting people to try editing at all? LadyofShalott 18:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
              • Maybe so--I'm not in that session. ;) What I hear in this one is that campus ambassadors are good and useful in, for instance, explaining Wikipedia in the first place. I wish that I would have had an army of online ambassadors when I did my freshman class. Drmies (talk) 18:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for the feedback, old bean. You've clarified a fair old bit for me. Many thanks, Jimmy. WeeJimmyFaeGorgie (talk) 08:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Block

I've answered your message on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

missed delete

hey I noticed you deleted KechPhrase, well you forgot Talk:KechPhrase. Just figured I'd let you know. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

revdel

Your revdel doesn't seem to be working. I've tried to do it again but it failed. As this is the first time I have attempted this with my tools I may have missed something. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm wondering if I missed something too. Drmies (talk) 13:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
• Wait--according to the log I did remove it. Drmies (talk) 13:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Revdelete

Does this deserve revision deletion? And also, out of pure curiosity, can I know the content to that deleted revision on my talk page? --The Σ ^talk_contribs 05:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I would think not - it would mean putting it in writing again. Nothing for you to be personally concerned about, it was aimed at another editor. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sigma, it was just stupid stuff. Run for admin and you will be able to see it. ;) Drmies (talk) 13:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Boston again

Hi, I gave tips for finding me on my talk page. Cullen328 (talk 14:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It was a great pleasure to have the chance to talk with you for a while. I look forward to future interactions. Cullen328 (talk) 02:22, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Great presentation at the Summit 2011 MaynardClark (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey, thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree - well done. Cullen328 (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	keep up the good work Bentogoa (talk) 18:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

SPI tag

Can an non-admin tag an ip ipsock tag ? Bentogoa (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure--if you think you know, go for it. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
  • The reason i was asking this user [1] said only an admin can tag, and removed many tags which were put by User:IronDuke saying "remove inaccurate tag not placed by an admin" Bentogoa (talk) 18:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, the first template on Template:Sockpuppet can be placed by any editor who suspects a sock--isn't that what you're talking about? Drmies (talk) 19:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I see now--there's more to this than meets the eye. In the case of User:207.118.5.65, for instance, I don't see what right Crude Connection has to remove the template, and their summary puzzles me. I've left them a note; maybe they'll answer. It is related to this, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gnetwerker. Let's see what happens. But, in the meantime, I don't see Crude Connections rationale. Drmies (talk) 19:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Nerd!

Drmies: Thanks for the kitten! I will look out for more edits to make in the near future... the sandwich I took home from the conference was great. I feel like quite the Dutchman! Nerdpenguin (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm really, really proud of you. Nice meeting you! Drmies (talk) 20:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks A Lot!!!=

I spent so much time revamping Eric Hjorleifsons page and you go and ruin it. I was asked to do this by Eric himself. The page was fine after I edited it. Don't you have anything better to do you egotistical asshole. It's people like you who make the world a lousy place. I am going to report you as there was nothing wrong with what I did. I followed the rules to a "T". Have a nice day jerkoff!!!!

• Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I hit 26k.

[2] It's so low compared to some people, but it is what it is. LadyofShalott 21:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, congratulations! It's a nice number, and as you know most of my edits are kind of minor anyway. Mandarax, he's in a class of his own. Well done Lady--but hey, my eyes are getting too old for your new sig... Drmies (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Is the problem the font (size), the color, or both? LadyofShalott 21:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Size...it's too small... Drmies (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Better? LadyofShalott 21:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes! Drmies (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The name? - Sitush (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean, Sitush? LadyofShalott 21:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

This one's better than the old, and I don't speak for Sitush, but for long I thought you were the "Lady of Shallot" and was wondering why an onion would have left such deep an impression. —SpacemanSpiff 21:21, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Aw Spiff, are you looking for a date? Drmies (talk) 21:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Y'all're gonna make a lady blush. I take it you've read the article linked from my userpage since then, SSpiff? LadyofShalott 21:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Er, which one? There seem to be a lot in that list...—SpacemanSpiff 21:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Not one I wrote (unfortunately); the one that explains the source of my username. LadyofShalott 21:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on your edit numbers, Lady. As Drmies implied, don't even think about comparing stats to someone such as myself, with a huge proportion of AWB and Twinkle edits. Besides, I've been slowing down considerably, and I'm catchable; I don't ever expect to rise any higher than my current 25 on the list of Wikipedians by number of edits.

Now, as for your new signature.... I've been thinking about this since the first time I saw it, but I wasn't going to mention anything; however, since the subject has come up, I'll throw in my opinion. I prefer the original color scheme, which I feel is more harmonious. LadyofShalott vs. LadyofShalott ← For illustrative purposes only – not actual signatures. I know it's a very personal thing, and probably just as many people would prefer the new colors.

Oh, Drmies, I've been amused by all of the TWSSs you've been bandying about! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I feel that this may be coming to a close, or ... that's ya lot. - Sitush (talk) 23:55, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, I felt like having a change, but that was an experiment that just didn't really work. Oh well. LadyofShalott 18:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for removing the fluff from "Jozef van Wissem", I had lost view of that page :) Hekerui (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Hekerui, nice to see you again! Thanks for dropping by. You know I spare you a thought every time I play a Kronos CD? Drmies (talk) 01:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's really nice :) I totally thought of you when they got their Polar Music Prize. Hekerui (talk) 18:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Chzz

The best way to contact Chzz is IRC (text-chat), here  · Second-best is my talk page · Third-best is email Chzzlive.co.uk

• Mandarax, you would have a hell of a time here--I am surrounded by geeks. Drmies (talk) 01:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The best way to contact Chzz

The best way to contact Chzz was to sit down next to him at Simmons College and strike up a conversation (which is easy to do, because he is both interesting and talkative). Cullen328 (talk) 02:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, I thought the best way would be to go to the bar, like he told me, and wait til he got there! Was I ever wrong... Drmies (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Tee hee.

I'm so sorry about the bar tho, Drmies. I sat down in my room - just for 5 mins - and promptly fell asleep. I guess the jet-lag caught up :-( But I'm sure the others were entertaining enough. Was great to meet you.  Chzz  ►  18:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Shall I take this as unequivocal proof as to the gender of the heretofore seriously ambiguous CHZZ? I would have greatly enjoyed being a party to this meeting. Oh well, at least I now know that my wiki friend is not an alien. But does he really like sausage? My76Strat ^talk 19:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Ha, I wondered what happened! Well, we went out with a bunch of people and didn't come back until 2:30 or so. I enjoyed meeting you too, Mrs. Chzz. You're spending a few more days there, right? Enjoy! Drmies (talk) 22:16, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, I left without saying goodbye, so of course the second-best way to do that is with a Wikipedia message! It was great meeting you, and I'm sure we'll see each other around now that I am a newly-minted TPS of yours. ;-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 08:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Likewise, Ed. Thanks for messing around on my computer; I'm gonna close some AfDs today, hitting 'keep' or 'delete' randomly, just to see if it works. BTW, I finally had a look at your FA-list--that's pretty impressive. I wish you could do that work for real topics, such as this one. Later! Drmies (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Anytime. I'm sure the AFD crowd will appreciate your "random" closes very much. ;-) Thanks very much. Nice try, but poetry is not a real topic. As is anything not directly related to naval history and ships. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 15:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I believe I also left without saying goodbye! It was great meeting the infamous "der-meez" (/dɜrmiːs/?), and I very much enjoyed the conversation with you, Ed, Sadads, etc. on Saturday night! I hope to see you around onwiki, and maybe at other meetup type events! – GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm jealous of all you people who went to Boston. LadyofShalott 01:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Van de koele meren des doods

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Van de koele meren des doods (film)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nouchka van Brakel

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Renée Soutendijk

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheney Mason

I was not involved in an edit war, I had been engaged in an operation against a vandal. If I were wrong and the edits were correct, the user in question could have made a far more commendable effort by attempting to discuss rather than shout "NON-ENCYCLOPAEDIC" on the summary. You need to look at my vantage point, there I was watching changes and suddenly the references removed tag shows itself and the perpetrator is an IP, to my experience, 1001 times out of 1000 it tends to be unconstructive editing. When that same user then makes a personal attack on my talk page, using the word "peder" (meaning poofter in our Slavic tongues), how do I assume good faith. Also, are you doing anything about the personal attack in question? Evlekis (Евлекис) 13:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• That insult, I've given them a warning for it. You could have done that yourself; you were within your rights to do so. You could also have explained what you think was wrong with their edits instead of rolling them back. In fact, you probably abused your rollback privilege, since that is to be used only for vandalism, and the IP did not vandalize the article--that's the first thing you need to acknowledge.

  Next time, please look more carefully. The IP did explain, even if they did so in terms you didn't approve of (and I don't like them either), and you simply hit rollback a bunch of times. That they insulted you is not nice, but I can understand that they were frustrated. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• I noticed something else--your signature doesn't have a link to your talk page, and it should. If you can fix that, that would be great. Drmies (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Firsly, thanks for pointing out the signature. Five years and nobody has said a word! :) I'll look into fixing that. Concerning the issue, no I am not arguing with you. Once you examined the matter and saw that the IP's edit was legit then I took no more liberties of reverting. I found the mannerism of the IP slightly impertinent, that was all. About the "abuse" issue. I suppose that technically speaking, yes I did abuse the privilege but I was not taking advantage of anything more than one click instead of two (the alternative being the free-to-all undo option). I just want you to realise that in the time I've had the facility, I've never used it persistently against regulars, not least because if I am cancelling an established user's contribution, I use the summary so he knows why. Furthermore, this example needed some inspection and it was difficult to assess too carefully when the user was continuously reverting. I believe I had reason to suspect vandalism or POV-pushing even though I were wrong: removal of references, albeit in violation of WP:RS, never looks constructive. Still, I hope you won't remove the facility and that you accept I too was acting in good faith. Evlekis (Евлекис) 22:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course I accept that, gladly. And I will grant you readily that removal of stuff with all-caps edit summaries does not look good, and yelling at other editors doesn't help either. But sometimes there's more than meets the eye, and someone may act correctly when all appearances are against them (including their history and a previous block). I've seen a lot of IP vandalism, but I've also seen a lot of positive and helpful edits from IPs. All the best, Drmies (talk) 22:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree fully with your above statement, I'll keep better watch in future. Evlekis (Евлекис) 10:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC) (talk)

Thanks Evlekis. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Discospinster's talk page.
Message added 23:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

... discospinster _talk 23:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Matt Barber

You spent half an hour trimming fluff, and you'll never get that half hour of your life back again. For your sake, friend, I hope that you were exaggerating for effect. Cullen328 (talk) 02:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting contributions history. So much for the cleanup. LadyofShalott 22:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Not by much, Cullen, unfortunately. But in those cases I like to go step by step, for various reasons--one of them being more edit summaries. Another? SPAs often don't have rollback. Lady, thanks for you edits to the article and your note here: I've reverted them, and I doubt we'll see that editor again after the AfD. Drmies (talk) 01:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Beetle Award

Many thanks for the recognition—it is truly appreciated. I'm trying to get all the beetles on the Wiki, so it'll be a while before I'm done. NielsenGW (talk) 18:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing. I love watching the work of, ahem, obsessive editors (no disrespect intended). I'm thinking of User:Ucucha and his rats, for instance, and I always marvel at how much they care for things that mean so little to me. It's a reminder of how nice and diverse human interest can be, and one of the joys of hanging out in this place. I hope you never finish, that there will always be one more newly discovered bug beetle to add. All the best, Drmies (talk) 18:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

"Mrs. Cullen"

My wife Debra appreciated your kind words. She had a great time roaming historical sites and antique shops. We did a bit of that together yesterday. Now we are waiting on the jetway, waiting, waiting. Take care. Cullen328 (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Debra and I arrived home safely after experiencing the most frightening 30 seconds in our combined 100 years of air travel. We hit turbulence so violent, somewhere near Chicago, that drinks, books and other objects flew to the ceiling. The overhead compartments were dripping Cokes and booze. For a brief moment, it was as if we were on an out-of-control roller coaster. Behind us, a Chinese woman, who didn't speak English and didn't understand the instruction to buckle up, smashed her head against the cabin ceiling. They paged for a doctor and a Chinese speaking passenger to assist. When we landed in San Francisco, five paramedics took her off the plane. Whew. Cullen328 (talk) 05:01, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Always seems to happen over chicago. Worst landing I've ever had was coming into ORD. Glad to hear you are ok. Protonk (talk) 20:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow Cullen, that was scary. You all are alright, fortunately. Hey, you probably have your head up against the overhead bins even when you're sitting down. Well, please give my regards, again, to Mrs. Cullen--and please tell her that Wikipedia had NOTHING to do with those troubles (AFAIK). All the best, Drmies (talk) 20:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Page move

Hi. If you have a moment, can you take a look at User:Ehelenj/Institute of Play, and if you agree with me that it's ready for prime time (I did some clean-up on it just now), would you move it into article space, replacing the redirect that's there now? Thanks! Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment

Hi. Why did you delete my addition to the "Ephod"? Ideas came from Tudor Parfitt's book, " The Lost Ark of the Covenant." Also, I bet I know more about it than you do. And to say I did a great job on it after you deleted it. Liar. answers.com is waaaay better. And why did my Application get deleted. I didn't test anybody. The audacity of people these days.Jesus1intheend (talk) 01:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• You say that you're 12. You made one edit, which was poorly written and unverified, and then you apply for administrator, filling out your first two supports. I called that Request for Adminship a test page (I was being nice), and it got deleted, and rightly so. You may know a ton more about the Ephod than I do, but this isn't about knowing--it's about what you can verify. You also need to consider that you have to write encyclopedically. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Nair

Keep doing your stuff. You will find all sorts of phrasing issues because we have been trying to contain a rather awkward situation regarding pov pushing/OR/synth/blah blah for a couple of months now. This has caused a fair amount of tiptoe-ing in the interests of finding a conciliatory way forward in the short term. Not that it has actually achieved much as, for example, I am still the person who called an entire caste a "son of a dog, you bastard". There are also still some clearly incorrect bits in there, mostly with cite requests; these are remnants from before my involvement and my plan was to let them run until the end of July and then cull anything that remains uncited, on the grounds that a couple of months is more than sufficient for an article that gets so much traffic on its talk page.

Some of the subject matters and the sources themselves are, indeed, pretty complex, and the article (which still has unwritten areas!) is already quite big. There are forks available for some of the content but many of those are piss poor, and it made more sense to concentrate the arguments in one place than spread them across many.

Ping me when you get bored & I'll come up with some comments. In the interval, ping me if you have any queries you would rather were addressed immediately. - Sitush (talk) 01:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

WGN-TV

I can't vouch for the other items, but "Chicago's Very Own" has been a slogan of WGN-TV for nearly 30 years. Here's the original promo, done by Lou Rawls.[3] A nice bit of nostalgia for those of us who grew up on Channel 9. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• It's in the lead still--I saw it. You're welcome to stick whatever in there if it's properly sourced; I'm sure you can make it encyclopedic. Hey, I saw something funny today--starring you. Drmies (talk) 04:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
  • The question, I guess, is whether the youtube video is sufficient. The comment on it suggests it was posted by WGN, but I'm not totally sure of that. That theme, "Chicago's Very Own", refers not just to WGN, but also to a recurring segment they used to carry (and may still), highlighting citizens involved in various notable activities. Clever cartoon, animating the concept of pointillism. And speaking of "Chicago's Very Own, that famous Seurat painting hangs in the Chicago Art Institute. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
    • This is better than nothing (don't tell anyone it's self-published). Can you get this from the library? And there's plenty in here--I'd get the articles for you (if I can, through JSTOR or Lexis), but it's a bit late and my laptop sucks for that kind of work. Next time Mandarax is in Chicago, y'all should go on a date. Happy trails! Drmies (talk) 04:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Botaniska trädgården (Uppsala)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Ephod

I didn't remove anything. I am 12. I am in the 99th percentile of learning. Can you please stop erasing my stuff. Also his book is reliable, he is renowned for his discovery of the CMH chromosome found only in Levite males. I trust him and his book is awesome. Have you read it??? Please just leave it, I am reposting it one last time. Also the ephod is freestanding in Micah and 2nd Samuel so it could be the Ark, and it is.Jesus1intheend (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Original research is bad. All claims must be verifiable with reliable sources. --The Σ ^talk_contribs 19:48, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. To get into that 100th percentile, study WP:OR. Also consider what encyclopedic writing is-"So lets assume that the Ark is a drum" is not the kind of thing that an encyclopedic article should have. As for Tudor Parfitt, I wonder what the status of his book is among scholars. Drmies (talk) 20:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Can we assume the arc is a sphere? LadyofShalott 00:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I wonder how many extra chromosomes Wikibrah has. Or for that matter, Sinbad Barron. Sharktopus ^talk 01:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Ronald Fedkiw

I am just checking in to see what is going on and I see a 7/11 edit summary mentioning an ANI thread. Can you help me find this discussion?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Also please comment at Talk:Ronald_Fedkiw#Image_removal.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello Tony, it's here. I looked--briefly--at that discussion, and I don't think I have an opinion; I simply don't know enough about the matter, and now that the big shots are on it via OTRS, I think it's best to stay out of it, outside of removing that lengthy and irrelevant section about what the subject is teaching next semester. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet suggestion

I have replied to your request for help at User talk:JamesBWatson#Understanding the Message of the Cross of Jesus Christ. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Green Brigade

Hi DrMies, I was wondering if you remember helping to assist in building this article in the last few months. Well it has gradually digressed into a dispute regarding sources, sources with correct reference to the group themselves and other disagreements over content.

It has become an edit war now. There was a version of the article that had consensus from the editors involved at the time here. You can read all about the discussion here but the dispute could easily be summed up on the discussion page if you want but it is mainly to do with reliable sources.

Thanks if you have some time available to lend a hand like you had before. It would be much appreciated. Monkeymanman (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hey Monkey, thanks for your note. By now you will have seen an unpleasant surprise: an edit-war template on your talk page. Look at the history of the article, and see my note on the talk page, and then I hope you'll see why I felt I had to do that. Mind you, I don't want to have anyone blocked, but a warning is fair. You'll also note that I said some are more guilty of edit-warring than others, and those should take extra care. ;) Anyway, I made some suggestions about resolving this issue and I hope that those are helpful. Note also that the sourcing is extraordinarily important--and I agree with you on the evaluation of those sources. All the best, Drmies (talk) 20:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree a warning was justified. I was also guilty of edit warring to some degree. Thats why i had stopped editing the article content for about 3 days. Thanks for the input. Monkeymanman (talk) 20:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you did what you were supposed to do. Let's hope something good comes out of it. Perhaps you should be the one to go the RS noticeboard with a few (or more) of the references under discussion. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi drmies - sorry to bother you yet again. During the recent saga, I agreed that a sentence dealing with sectarianism should be removed, and have, in my opinion, improved that section with more relevant material, although I am more than willing to debate changes. I have explained all this on the talk page. Adam has just reverted, without recourse to the talk page, making allegations of pushing a POV, original research (all sources were national newspapers) and original synthesis, which I would disagree with. To avoid getting into another situation, I was wonder if you could cast your experienced eye over this.Mattun0211 (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation for EPANews

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EPANews looks fine to me. However, is there any reason why you have done it as two separate reports, rather than one report on both suspects? I haven't refactored it, as you may have a good reason for it, but if you haven't then I would suggest combining them. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• No, no reason--can they be combined using that Twinkle tool? Please refactor all you like! Drmies (talk) 20:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I see that Tnxman307 has already combined them. I have no idea what the Twinkle SPI facility can do, as I have never tried using it. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Medieval articles

Since you mentioned you are knowledgeable about medieval topics, I was wondering if you could give me any feedback on the articles I've taken to FA. Most of them are kings, so since your interest is literary there may be little overlap, but I was particularly wondering if you would be able to comment on Anglo-Saxon Chronicle -- I'm sure it could be improved but as an amateur I don't know what I am missing. I'd be happy to trade a copyedit or two if you like. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Are you sure you want me to comment? I started. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Yes, please tear it to shreds. I don't have any ownership feelings; I just did a lot of work on it and would like it to be better. I'm an amateur with a few dozen books, most of which I haven't read thoroughly; the article was the best I could do with the resources I had. I'd like it to be the best we can do with the resources you have too, which is probably substantially longer and more detailed and better sourced. And please go ahead and make any edits you think are necessary without waiting for me; I would like a collaborator, not just a reviewer, if you're up for that. Anything controversial we can review on the talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  That sounds good to me, Mike. I'm always a bit hesitant jumping into the editing of an article when it's obvious someone has spent a lot time on, creating quality content. BTW, there is a quid pro quo; I'll tell you later. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  BTW, have a look at Wyandanch, New York and its history. Drmies (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Yow. You mentioned it in Boston but I tried not to look; I've looked now and it's really something. The IP doesn't seem impossible to reason with though. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  No, not at all. I think they have a better idea of what the article should be. It's just a matter of time and gumption. But once the trimming is done, the article still lacks an adequate and functioning system of references. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

There is an award for everything

	The William C. Faulkner Award
	To celebrate the occasion of your location and placement of an uncommonly long sentence in the article Periodic sentence on this, the 14th of July, 2011. Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• MRG, I am truly honored! Thank you so much! Drmies (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• That is a fabulous find, period. - Sitush (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• I fondly remember the hilarity we had in my first Southern Lit review, taking turns finding and dramatically reading interminable sentences in Absalom, Absalom!. My professor despaired of our irreverence, and I can't say as I blame him. Most of the students in that class probably think of the novel as a comedy. Poor Faulkner. I've come to kind of appreciate the breathlessness of it all. :) (Don't know why I gave him an F. for his middle initial. That said, it does have a better ring to it than his actual intitial. Ulysses S. Grant was cool with a randomly bestowed middle initial; wonder if Faulkner would mind?) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

semi-arbitrary break, because Faulkner and Wittgenstein may not get along

• Now, can you find an article in which you can introduce the phrase "terminological inexactitude" ? I have used it once or twice in drafts but never dared to push it out into mainspace. - Sitush (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

•  Done Drmies (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• You smartarse! Brilliant! That is lateral thinking: google a usage and then find an article in which to insert it. If I could be bothered working my way through Wikilove etc then you would now receive the Edward de Bono award for creativity in an constrained environment. - Sitush (talk) 00:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• The bitch was inventing the candy-gram. Anyway, you try and work this one in. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 00:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ew, math(s) :( That cite is just a recipe for guaranteed indigestion. I see a lot of basic math-type issues in my current India-focus, usually of the type that 2 + 2 = 5, or perhaps 3, but never 4. Somewhere out there exists a fantastic "proof" that 1 = 0. There is a flaw in it but I seem to recall that it is a d'oh thing. There is a version here but it doesn't look quite like the one I remember from 30 years or so ago. Good lesson for the kids, though. - Sitush (talk) 01:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

You are incorrigible, sir. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 09:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright geeks, you're messing up my award section. Kindly go turn Jyoti class tanker into a GA. Sitush, my two-year old loves motorcycles! My five-year old wants a pink Mercedes with flowered upholstery. I think I'm raising them right. Drmies (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There are loads of proofs around of "1 = 0". I can't resist mentioning that Wittgenstein would have objected to the one linked to above by Sitush, because it starts out by saying "Consider two non-zero numbers x and y such that x = y." If x = y, then they are the same number, not two numbers, so at best the wording of the proof is clumsy, but Wittgenstein went further than that. He reckoned that the concept "equals" has no place in mathematics. If x and y are different numbers then they are not equal, and if they are the same number then why have two different symbols for it? That means that the only use of "=" that is permissible is in statements like x = x, which is pointless. Therefore the idea of "equality" should be dropped from mathematics. (Ah, little did you realise what you were starting when you posted that sentence in Periodic sentence.) JamesBWatson (talk) 16:07, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, maybe this is naive, but how did Wittgenstein feel about expressions such as "3-2=1" or "y=mx+b"? LadyofShalott 16:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Good question. I've never actually read his own account, only secondary sources mentioning his opinions, so whether he dealt with such questions I am not sure. However, from what I know of him I bet he had an answer. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I bet his answer was a question involving the spontaneous generation of mice or something like that. Drmies (talk) 20:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

George Watsky

Hello Drmies, I'm editing on my smart phone as I'm on the road. This article is getting vandalized, and I posted to WP:BLPN also. Can you rollback to the July 8 version by Sophomoric, and possible put some protection on the article for a few days? Maybe the vandals will lose interest. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• You are so high-tech. Demiurge already reverted. There's a couple of vandal edits but IMO not enough to warrant protection; I will, however, gladly keep my eye on it and see if I need to change my mind. Happy trails! Drmies (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Demiurge1000 is quick. OK, I will look at every edit for a while and we can chat again about Mr. Watsky the speedy rap poet if the vandals escalate. By the way, it's an article I saw at AfD a while back and expanded. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

You've got mail.

I couldn't find much, but I sent the (very) little I did find. LadyofShalott 23:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you Lady. You got some mail too. Drmies (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Green Brigade again

Hi drmies - sorry to bother you yet again (posted above but not sure you saw it). During the recent saga, I agreed that a sentence dealing with sectarianism should be removed, and have, in my opinion, improved that section with more relevant material, although I am more than willing to debate changes. I have explained all this on the talk page. Adam has just reverted, without recourse to the talk page, making allegations of pushing a POV, original research (all sources were national newspapers) and original synthesis, which I would disagree with. To avoid getting into another situation, I was wonder if you could cast your experienced eye over this.Mattun0211 (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattun0211 (talk • contribs)

Cheers Drmies Mattun0211 (talk) 02:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Requesting deletion of a redirect

I hope that you can make sense of what follows because it is a bit of a maze.

This redirect page simply reverses the title of the target article & omits a space in the process, so "Namasudra(Namassej)" redirects to "Namasudra (Namassej)". As a search term it is surely redundant. The article subject is an Indian caste, which like most of them has multiple names.

OK, it didn't redirect to the reverse name target, but rather to another article - Namassej. That was until about five minutes ago: the whole situation was a mess and I boldly redirected Namassej to Namasudra (Namassej), over-riding a pointless, disorganised and improperly conducted merge discussion that had faltered back in March. That discussion clearly involved contributors who knew little about the workings of WP and were arguing purely about whether a name was derogatory or not. I don't want to bore you with that but it is the old "sudra" issue that keeps cropping up on caste articles.

Anyways, how does one go about arranging for the deletion of a redirect page? Do I just PROD it for now and see if that works? Or are you going to slap my throttle hand for being bold?

Tbh, I would prefer to see the target article named solely "Namasudra", which would then make Namassej a truly decent redirect and provide two easy search strings. But probably best for me to break this down into stages. - Sitush (talk) 02:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• OK, in stages then. Twinkle automates this for you: Redirects for Discussion. Or you can look at the CSD criteria and see if R3 applies (I'm not entirely sure). As for the article name--I saw the rationale for the move. It's not in proper English, and while I'm inclined to say that it should be reverted because of an incomplete argument by a new editor, it is perhaps best to start an official Move discussion. BTW, where was that March discussion? Good luck, and let me know what I can do. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Wait--I see the discussion. I had missed one step in the maze. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• I've started a discussion on the talk page. Esp. after I saw the Google Books searches it became clear to me that Namasudra is the proper name. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, it is the common-use name. But the "sudra" bit causes a lot of angst, as indeed it did on Paravar and has done this last couple of weeks on Kurmi, with a lot of other battles in between and several hundred more to come. Every time I start one of these sudra discussions I end up with a legal threat, although with $12k a month coming in to push that POV here I should be able to afford the lawyers! I got a death threat on one occasion, which was quite amusing. - Sitush (talk) 03:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Note to TPS: I only support Sitush's position because I need the money. Sitush, why are you doing this to yourself? Life is short. Drmies (talk) 03:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning up bits of WP cruft (of which the Indian articles comprise much) saves me from having to do more mundane housework here at home. I can't find my vacuum cleaner for the dust <g>

RfD has been started, so thanks for that. Congrats on working through the maze. Where do I send my $1 ? I need you to give your address here; don't worry about the death threats! - Sitush (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

<aside> These legal threats you are getting are probably quite empty, and you don't seem to have taken the death threat seriously. Some of the threats people get from others displeased with Wikipedia can be quite disconcerting indeed. LadyofShalott 03:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, Sitush, I sympathize. Then again, what's worse than a poorly written empty death threat? Answer: having your picture taken at a Wikimedia summit on a fat day. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

@ Lady - well, they would struggle to apply Indian law to someone outside the country. I don't take them seriously and, alas, I doubt that I should take the $12k per month seriously either.

@ Drmies - over here, the joke is that all people resident in the US are all fat; what does a fat person look like when they have a fat day? - Sitush (talk) 03:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

That's quite the claim that blog makes. LadyofShalott 03:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Sure is: I don't live in Liverpool. - Sitush (talk) 03:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Can someone spam on their userpage?

Yet another question. User:Keralites registered in 2008 & made one entry, which was to set up the user page. That page contains links to websites for Keralites (people of Kerala). Surely that is spam? And perhaps even a UAA as "representing a group"? I can deal with the UAA request but can't blank someone else's userpage. - Sitush (talk) 03:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It could be tagged for a G11 speedy deletion. LadyofShalott 04:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Just done it. I never thought CSD could apply to a user page. I'll find out soon enough. - Sitush (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

A criteria can only be applied to articles. G criteria are general criteria which can apply to any page. LadyofShalott 04:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It kind of almost also qualifies for a spamuserblock, that that's probably a bit of a stretch. Drmies (talk) 04:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It has gone red. Wonder what happened then? I've just found another load of cruft at Smritokotha - I am darn sure leaving that one for someone else to clean up! - Sitush (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Malik Shabazz deleted the user page. As for Smritokotha... O.M.G. And it has an expansion tag! LadyofShalott 04:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

That article looks to be pretty much all primary sources, so probably could either be cut right back or sent off to AfD. If you want to see a heavily referenced but massively overlong article then Fanny Crosby would do it, but you may want to take a walk while you wait for it to load. - Sitush (talk) 05:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to look but is that the woman who wrote hymns? If so, you'll see me in the history, sticking a toe in. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ssejsantokotha, y'all. Sitush, I tried, but there's no there there (by "there" I mean in the real world, interwebz and all). Drmies (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes. I stuck more of a boot than a toe in there, but got nowhere. There is a real ownership issue, I am afraid. Several people have suggested that (a) it really needs forking and (b) the citations need consolidating etc ... but the "owner" always responds that this will happen in due course. - Sitush (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Ownership? Come on now. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Fanny_Crosby#Citations_and_overlength. - Sitush (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Pete the Cat

Take a look at the recent article history and at User talk:Pete the cat official. LadyofShalott 12:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• OK--this calls for a spamuserblock, no two ways about it. Do you agree? Drmies (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Not yet at least. The person is now asking questions and trying to work within our rules... see the query on my talk page. Let's see if we can work with him. I'm checking in briefly, but may not be around too much this weekend. LadyofShalott 21:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't want to be editor just want accurate information about the subject. would love to have someone at least familiar with the subject write the article about it.--Pete the cat official (talk) 03:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I read the book and own it. I've seen the show a couple of times. I've met author and illustrator. But I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is--an article on a subject is to be based on what information is available in reliable sources, not on personal acquaintance with the author, for instance. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

yes i get that. i thought wikipedia contributers made some effort to research their topic. if the title of the page is "pete the cat" should it not talk about "pete the cat"? this conversation has become very negative... which was never my intent. i was merely trying to right the article. --Pete the cat official (talk) 04:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Well, you're accusing me of not knowing anything about the topic and not having researched it. If you consider our policy on reliable sources, you will see that the article was pretty exhaustively researched. And the title of the article is not "Pete the Cat" anymore, per your request. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I must back Drmies up on this. The article was indeed researched. What we were able to find in reliable sources has been incorporated in the article. From the discussion on my talk page, it seems this is mostly resolved, but I could not let this pass by without comment. LadyofShalott 18:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

ASC updates

I've done a round of responses to your comments at Talk:Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. I also have more material to add, having gone back to my books and found stuff I didn't have first time round; I'll try to get to some of that this weekend. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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facebook

The copyright/trademark owner of Pete the Cat is also requesting that you change the name on your facebook page. Pete the Cat is owned by someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.91.226 (talk) 18:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Really. My Facebook page. I didn't know Pete the Cat was on it, and I'm curious to know how you (well, the "copyright/trademark owner") think you know that. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
• This has nothing to do with me. Facebook and Facebook users copy willy-nilly. Take it up with Mark Zuckerberg, please. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Heh, those things are automatically ported into Facebook from Wikipedia articles... Drmies had absolutely nothing to do with it. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Yes, they really just copy all our articles, don't they? That's amazing. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Try Books LLC or Alphascript Publishing. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack yourself, as you did on User talk:Mike Christie. Please comment on the contributions and not yourself. If you make any further self-attacks you may have to report yourself to yourself, which may result in a self-block. Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm sorry Mr. Mandarax--I won't do it again. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
• And, softened by a nice Gouden Carolus tripel followed by a Maredsous blonde, I'd like to apologize to Drmies as well. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

  Indeed. Mandarax's harsh comments, focusing as they did on the perpetrator and enforcer, took no account of the possible emotional condition of Drmies, who is after all the victim here. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

  Thank you Mike. And I do suffer for the sake of science--just look at the time stamps for your stupid A-S Chronicle article, which doesn't take reflect that this edit took almost an hour, including sweet-talking the dean of libraries into letting me borrow a reference book for three weeks. That Mandarax fails to realize this (cause it's not creative and artsy, you know), I guess I can understand that, but that Ucucha, below, would chastise me (just because he goes to a fancier school than I did), that really hurts. Ucucha, ben ik te min? Ben ik te min omdat je ouders meer poen hebben, dan de mijne? Huh? Drmies (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

  No, that's omdat mijn pa in een grotere kar rijdt. Ucucha 01:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Drmies, what are you coming to? First the blatant personal attack (I sympathize with the victim; have you apologized to him yet?), and then being sixth on the list of most WikiLoving Wikipedians. And all that while I rescue Vietnamese poets who are obviously not notable and write on fossil teeth. Ucucha 00:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Dude, you used to be my hero. Now I know, there are no heroes. ;-) LonelyBeacon (talk) 00:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

section headers

Strongly recommend that you modify the section header when sending wikilove. For one thing is is a bit more personalization, makes it mean more, conveys more, LOVES more! Also, it avoids having duplicate section headers (which mess up page links).TCO (reviews needed) 01:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good call. I got lost on your page after my response. But then, "A kitten for you!", how can you improve on that? And in case my message got lost: TCO, I love you from the bottom of my heart. Drmies (talk) 01:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of new to Wiki. Where have we come across each other? (Given how I behave, am worried I was nasty...I troll a lot.)TCO (reviews needed) 01:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Your experiences with him can't be worse than mine. --Σ ^talk_contribs 03:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you really want to know what I thought of your oppose, I'll tell you: it was silly. Running for admin is something I took very seriously, and being unopposed for a long time made me feel like some of the work I had done here had not gone unnoticed. Then someone comes along and says, "it's not a real RfA until someone opposes so I'll oppose." That's bullshit, of course, and it kind of spoiled the fun. I can handle a real oppose, and instead I get three fake opposes, one of which, yours, was kindly removed by another editor as not being serious. To tell you the truth, I see your edits sometimes (I've never had a problem with them, I don't think), and I had totally forgotten that it was you (a benefit of my age). I see you do some useful things, and if you ever go up for admin, maybe you'll remember that it's serious business if you're on the receiving end of a lame joke. Mind you, I had nothing to do with the removal of your oppose, so to pin that on me, since you're suggesting here that I'm to blame, is a bit far-fetched. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

TCO, we've been discussing the same issues on ANI on occasion but I don't think we've ever consciously worked on the same thing; I have no doubt that we will at some point. Take care, Drmies (talk) 04:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Bruce Forsyth has a (terrible) catchphrase for his audiences over here: "Nice to see you; to see you, nice". So the alternate to "A kitten for you!" in Bruce-world would be "For you, a kitten!" What happens when a third WikiLove appears is anyone's guess. - Sitush (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

With a triple dose of WikiLove, who'd ever want to go back to work? Drmies (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Protect Fanboy and chum chum please

Can you protect Fanboy and Chum Chum from editing, please?--99.23.76.5 (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I don't see any reason yet. The level of vandalism in that article is relatively low and there seem to be plenty of eyes on it. If vandalism increases, consider filing a report at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection--but typically protection is only granted if there's more vandalism than a couple per day, and here we don't even have that. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
• But there's vandalism. They're saying that Fanboy And Chum Chum was the worst show ever--99.23.76.5 (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You do realize that if it were protected, you wouldn't be able to edit it either? LadyofShalott 17:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. And there isn't that much vandalism, and it's actively being reverted. Do they have reliable sources proving that it's the worst show ever? Drmies (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I Gotta Know (Wanda Jackson song)

Hey, thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure thing! Why not beef it up and send it to DYK? (And use the term "the Queen or Rockabilly" or whatever she was called in your hook.) Hey, one more thing, for the title--it's really a Thelma Blackman SONG and a Wanda Jackson SINGLE, isn't it? Drmies (talk) 15:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

You are correct, of course. I think that I will probably move it to I Gotta Know (Wanda Jackson single) because at this point, I don't think Thelma Blackman is notable. First, though, I have to work in the real world. Cullen328 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Closing MfD

I have just read your comment at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Drscottesims. I'm afraid that the correct answer to "Hoary, got a button you can push?" is "Even if I have, I can't use it, as I started the MfD, so I'm not uninvolved". I would do it myself, but I placed a !vote, so I too am involved. However, closing one of these is easy, in fact so easy that even though you said "I really don't want to learn how to close this thing right now", I am going to tell you how to. (Look away if you REALLY don't want to know.) You just need to put {{subst:mfd top}} '''Speedy deleted''' ~~~~ at the very top of the page (yes, right at the top, above the section heading) and {{subst:mfd bottom}} at the bottom. Compose a suitable edit summary, click "Save page", and that's it. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! Someone beat me to it, but this seems so easy that even I can follow it. So this removes it from the log and all that stuff? Drmies (talk) 14:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

That's useful for me to read as well - I've never tried to close one of those either. LadyofShalott 15:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't remove it from the log (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion) immediately, but the template is so cleverly crafted that it collapses a closed discussion when it is transcluded into that particular page. It's so beautiful, it brings tears to my geeky eyes. Favonian (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah! Who said that Wikipedia administrators were not romantics? JamesBWatson (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Re Delta

For what it's worth, I don't like it either. I feel like a real meanie. I think people underestimate the wearying time-sink effect on productive editors.Fainites ^barleyscribs 10:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan wants you

For spreading joy and being an all-around Wiki-love-ly person, I award you this 1st edition Wikipe-tan poster, in mint condition! (Just don't let her see that this (NSFW) is the 4th most-used image in wiki-love messages... She doesn't need to see that.) Anyway, keep being great, – Quadell (talk)

Missing GBooks page

Can you see p. 112 of this? If so, any chance of a screenshot or summat so that I can incorporate into Lohara dynasty? I am not sure how I have managed to create a new article amidst all the recent brouhaha at Kurmi and elsewhere, but clearly it has happened & so I had better see the job through. - Sitush (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ahem. No, I don't know how to do a screenshot (although it seems I accidentally pasted it into Word Perfect), and I don't want to have to read it which I'll need to do to summarize it. I'm not doing your work for you! YOU summarize this! (can't be held responsible for typos; whatever's parenthetic is a footnote (they number from 44 through 53.)

how Harsa managed to win over his guards by his adroit diplomacy, and was then se free in order to secure a compromise with Vijayamalla. Ultimately Harsa availed himself of the confusion in the palace to seize the throne, which he could claim by right (vi. 776 sqq.). Utkarsa, whose reign had lasted for only twenty-two days, was made a captive in the palace, and in his disgrace committed suicide by cutting his arteries. He had only reached the age of twenty-four years (vii. 861.).

King Harsa (A.D. 1089-1101), who young as he was had attained the royal power after experiencing so many changes of fortune, is undoubtedly the most striking figure among the later Hindu rulers of Kasmir. His many and varied attainments and the strange contrasts in his character must have greatly exercised the mind of his contemporaries. We see these impressions duly reflected in the elaborate description which Kalhana gives us of Harsa’s character, and which was no doubt based on first-hand information, such as that given by his own father Caupaka (See above, par. 24.). Kalhaa pictures to us King Harsa as a youth of powerful frame and great personal beauty, courageous and fond of display. He was well versed in various sciences and a lover of music and arts. The songs which he composed were still heard with delight in Kalhana’s days (vii. 941 sqq.). The Chronicler in an eloquent passage emphasized the strongly contrasting qualities of Harsa’s mind and the equally strong control in his actions (vii. 869 sqq.). Cruelty and kindheartedness, liberality and greed, violent selfwilledness and reckless supineness, cunning and want of thought–these and other apparently irreconcilable features in turn display themselves in Harsa’s chequered life. Kalhana has hit the keynote in Harsa’s character when he insists on the excessiveness with which all these qualities asserted themselves. A modern psychologist could easily gather from Kalhana’s account of Harsa’s character and reigh the unmistakable indications of an unsound condition of mind, which towards the close of the king’s life manifested itself in a kind of dementia imperatoria.

At the commencement of his rule Harsa showed wise forbearance in retaining many of his father’s officials and trusted servants, notwithstanding their former conduct towards himself (vii. 886 sqq.). It was probably due to his prudent policy that when his brother Vijayamalla became disaffected and conspired against him, no dangerous rising followed. Vijayamalla had to seek refuge across the mountains in Dard territory, where he was soon after killed by an avalance (vii. 899 sqq.). This event seems to have consolidated Harsa’s position, and Kalhana gives us a glowing account of the splendour of the Kasmir court during the period immediately following (vii. 919 sqq.). Harsa introduced into the country more elaborate fashions in dress and ornaments–perhaps an indication of Western, i.e. Muhammadan influence,–and made his courtiers imitate his own taste for extravagance in personal attire. His munificence towards men of learning and poets is said to hvae made even Bilhana, the well-known court poet of the Calukya king Parmadi, regret that he had left Kasmir, his native land during the reign of Kalasa (See vii. 935-937 and note.). Kalhana’s reference to the Dekhan fashions which Harsa copied in his amusements and also in his coinage is curiously corroborated by some extant gold coins of Harsa, which in their type unmistakably imitate the contemporary coinage of Karnata (See note vii. 926.). The description

Call me Bartleby. Or Akaky. Drmies (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, Bartleby, your technical ignorance regarding screenshots is more than matched by your ability to get this thing into Word Perfect. I didn't know that program was still used, although it was definitely preferred by the swotty types (and scriveners) back in the day. I've never yet been able to copy/paste/export anything from GBooks into Word, OpenOffice etc - doesn't matter which of the seven computers I use here, it doesn't work. Very occasionally there is a PDF download option, for really old stuff that is in any event available at archive.org, hathitrust etc. Perhaps it is one of the copyright limitations over here but then again perhaps not. I expect that a TPS will come along soon to explain.

Thank you, again. - Sitush (talk) 15:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Really Drmies?! Get to the point where your screen shows the full page, hit "print screen", open MSPaint, paste, save, send via email. Geesh. :-) It's taking a lot of effort to not make fun of you for still using Word Perfect... Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I had always heard that WP was (partly, jointly) invented by a Dutchman--our article proves that wrong. If we are reliable, of course. Sitush--I got it in WordPerfect the old-fashioned way. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the WordP article. Is it one of those relatively rare trustworthy ones? :-S Sitush (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

It is better now. Next time expect a screenshot (thanks Ed); I'm done typing for a day or two. Ha, Drmies (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Also, the same method works for taking PD images from Google Books, except you need to paste the screenshot into a program that allows you to crop images. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Are they still PD if they are on GBooks? The original may be, but doesn't Google own a copyright on their scan? LadyofShalott 15:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so per the precedent set at {{PD-art}}: "originality of expression is necessary for copyright protection, and a mere photograph of an out-of-copyright two-dimensional work may not be protected under American copyright law." Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have a vague memory that I ran this issue past someone who at the time I thought "ought to know". Whoever it was, it was not Moonriddengirl (with whom I am star-struck). With hindsight, now being aware that she exists, MRG is probably best placed to answer. I will, of course, ensure that she gets a portion of my cheque from Prince to provide a suitably convenient response. I think that it must be lost in the mail system right now. I have not done much work with images but practically all of those few which I have uploaded have been screengrabs from Gbooks. Oh, dear. - Sitush (talk) 23:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've posed the question to MRG: User talk:Moonriddengirl#Question_about_scanned_images. LadyofShalott 00:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, per the responses there, I was incorrect, and The ed17 had it right. I stand corrected. :) LadyofShalott 12:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Dang, you quiet guys get all the action!

Meanwhile, old Shark is working on an article about Timema, a stick insect that ... but perhaps the less said about Timema the better. Also, you've got mail.... Sharktopus ^talk 12:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• So do you. Drmies (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

RE: Any ideas?

Many trolls use the <nowiki> stuff, so I have no idea. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 19:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Yeah. Someone will know. Drmies (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Warn Yourself

Frak juz ehol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.99.240 (talk) 20:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Wow, that's clever. Drmies (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

OMG I just saw their edit in my watch list

Why tf would they do that to you hmmm.... can you put a temp hold on the user ip till that person cools down or leaves for a while.Iamiyouareyou (talk) 20:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Aw, it happens. It's been handled, I see. Thanks. BTW, I saw you placed a nice note on their talk page, but if you look through that page's history you'll see they didn't deserve your kindness. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Koninginnedag

I've started to resume work on this article. I have devoted this page for sources from Dutch, translated with google and common sense. I'd appreciate it if you would drop in from time to time and tweak the translations. Google translate is quite good, but it is far from perfect, as what I already have shows!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Johannes Corputius

Can I interest you in expanding this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure--but it'll be piecemeal, Ernst. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Les Demoiselles D'Avignon

Thanks for your input. Please keep an eye on this [4], there is an insane edit war going on with a argumentative newbie or a sock, very weird, thanks...Modernist (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Are you shooting for FA status for the Demoiselles? You know, my interest was piqued by the name, but I realized quickly that I had been thinking of the Demoiselles Coiffees. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
• These: Demoiselles Coiffées de Pontis. Drmies (talk) 21:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Eventually but it's not ready yet...Modernist (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, boy, hoodoo (geology) needs work. It starts off by definining it with sedimentary rocks, but then has a section on formation which talks of nothing but volcanic rocks. I'm going to try to fix it, but I'm not finding the terms in the indices of any of my books. LadyofShalott 01:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• I saw your summary re: formation. I had an inkling (after looking at the article) that it might not be the right term, but those things do show those layers and stuff so I figured what the hey. Thanks for helping out! You know I saw them, a couple of years ago? Fantastic. Oh, watch the Tour tomorrow--those are my old stumping grounds, for four or five summers. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Glad to do it. I bet they are spectacular. Oh, where's the TdF going to be tomorrow? (I haven't been following it at all.) LadyofShalott 01:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Alpe d'Huez! Drmies (talk) 01:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Cabell Midland Running Program

Hello, I am not 100% finished with the page yet, I am still fine-tuning it and including written paragraphs as well as more specific citing. The page will link to Cabell Midland High School as well as with a few athletes (which will be in a Notable Former Athletes Section). Please don't erase it until, at least I finish it. Thanks. btw I hope this is how I am suppose to talk to you hahah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HelpingHand6 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sure, that's fine--but I don't see how such a subject would meet the notability requirements of WP:N. What you have right now is a list of achievements and results by people who aren't notable per WP:ATHLETE, and no references (to third-party sources) that prove that the subject is notable. Sorry, but those are the rules. With the current PROD for deletion you have seven days to add those things. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 00:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

your message

regarding your note regarding my edit to the clavinova: I thought I should let you know that the paragraphs you deleted, I did not write them, so you may wish to contact the correct person. My edit only required the removal of about three adjectives. My Clavinova facts and data came straight from the Clavinova book written by Yamaha. I am a biochemist, so I am well versed in opinion vs fact, but to make Wiki happy I removed any and all "flowery" adjectives. There were only a few. You also welcomed me, and I've been here a long time. Take care. Kathrynaj (talk) 06:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your note. But let me just say, "The Clavinova is used in over 700 music colleges worldwide" is not the kind of statement that can be sourced to a company brochure. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

You have new messages...

on my talk page. I may be getting curmudgeonly in my old age. LadyofShalott 04:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Recent edit query

This diff introduces DETC into the Distance Education article. The article went through a spell of having a lot of linkspam & I am not sure from the website for DETC whether they are something special/generally recognised or just one of many. Do you know anything about this outfit? - Sitush (talk) 04:35, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with the organization; the only one I'm familiar with is SACS. But I think it would be hard to fake being an accreditation agency--it's not like being a Wikipedia admin. Drmies (talk) 04:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

For your surprisingly fast rewrite of my let's say not perfect english/ use of references on the PKN dutch church page. Ruud64 (talk) 17:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ha, I saw your edit go by on Recent changes, and your edit summary, and it piqued my interest. There was little wrong with your edits, by the way, but if you've been around as long as I have you figure out how much the use of citation templates cleans things up. I'm glad you included that reference--I can use that kind of information. That those churches ever merged is still odd to me. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Protestant Church in the Netherlands

First of all, I don't read Dutch so when someone writes "1,789 million" I as an English speaker, shake my head. It reads as "one thousand 789 million" or 1,789,000,000. That number seems outrageous. That's not normal English construction. 1.789.259 makes sense to me, and that is all I wanted. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 18:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

• So why didn't you just look through the source, to see if there was a number there? Or why didn't you simply ask the editor on their talk page? Drmies (talk) 20:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I did look through the source. Like I said before I don't read Dutch and there were a whole lot of numbers in that document. I suppose it might have have been helpful to leave a comment on the editors talk page, but I was being BOLD and reverting an edit that I saw as leading to confusion. I explained why it was reverted in the edit summary. Ltwin (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Removing warning notices

Am I not correct for following this, WP:Removing warnings? Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 22:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Question?

I have a question for you. How do you deal with an editor, who's soul mission is to undo ALL "Red links" across a vast number of articles? Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 00:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good question. I saw that (on Harry Dean Stanton, for instance). Have you pointed this out specifically, with a link to the guideline, on their talk page? Try to engage them in conversation, that's better than slapping one warning template after another on the talk page. But in principle, there's little you can do in this case, I think--it's not a vandalism-only account (it's not their sole mission--they've made useful edits also), and while removing those redlinks is not suggested by the guideline you cite, it's not against the law. It's just not helpful. Again, try to start a conversation--if more disruption ensues, at least you can prove you've tried. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahh yes. I have dealt with several of IP's in this regard. The latest one, Admin Graham87 dropped a note on one of the IP's user talk page letting them know. The Admin, was the first to leave them a message. I, at first didn't know as, the IP deleted that message and all I saw was, blank page. I went through the history and saw another use mention red links so, I restored that part as it was inline with what I was dealing with. I was surprised to know it was an Admin who first informed the IP. But, the IP knows full well about red links having been told by an Admin. In the summary, I would state that I am, "Restoring, "RED link"", (not using the words "revert" unless it was about unexplained deletions and that is rare. I like the word "restore"). Just as the Admin had done, Now, I'm curious on how to deal with this because, the IP has reverted all my restorations and, also, has reverted some of my restoration under another IP. So, how do you deal with that? Can't keep restoring them because it would go 3RR but, we just can't leave it like it is, or, do we? Another thing they have started doing was, instead of de-wikilinking, (like a person) they outright delete that section. Thoughts? Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• • Well, that's not all they're doing. Their edits on Wigger were correct: that was an incorrect link, probably an act of vandalism, that they reverted, and so your two vandalism warnings were incorrect. That doesn't make removing redlinks right, but it does mean that those level 3 and 4 warnings were unjustified. I mean, sticking this image in an article, that strikes me as vandalism and removing it is justified. In other words, you're not dealing with someone whose only mission is removing redlinks. I strongly suggest you remove those warnings and leave a real note, not a template, to try and engage the IP in conversation. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
    • It was when I saw a BOT get reverted, that's when I went to have a look. The BOT was wrong, lol. When I noticed what was going on, I removed the link to the image. Now, I wrote an article when I lived in Virginia because I saw a red link and thought, I can do that, I have some knowledge on the subject, Leesville Lake and, I'm thinking about doing another Ken Schrader 2008 about a pizza company that I like. I saw activity for Ken Schrader's article via recent changes. I read it and, saw something I knew, the red link stood out and, it let me know, that I could write it. If it wasn't for those red links, I wouldn't have thought of it. I do know that, red linking MUST be notable enough but, how would one know if, the red link don't stand out to them. Red links scream, MAKE ME, lol! And, I do believe, that's the premise behind having red links. I have done new page patrol so, I have seen my fair share of not notables. And, I have seen some that, I didn't think (as well as others) were notable but, they were expanded and sources were found. Good articles today. Just thought I would include that tidbit. Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 02:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

You don't see a Bot getting reverted by an IP every day, right, lol? Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

• That image wasn't visable, just the link. The Bot said something about fixing the link and I saw that the Bot got reverted. Honest mistake. Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, that's fine--but then please remove the warnings, which are accusations of vandalism. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Ok, will do. The question still remains. How do you deal with the redlink issue? Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 03:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Engage. That's about all you can do for now. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

You gave him his last chance

But he is still at it. This guy deserves no more. User:Franklinandbash132 Regards, Buster40004 Talk 00:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• It's already taken care of, I saw. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Green Brigade - again!

Hi Drmies, I wonder if you could help out over at the Green Brigade yet again - which you will probably not be surprised to hear remains unresolved! Adam's reverted your revert, if you know what I mean, without recourse to the Talk Page. As I've mentioned, I think this is a key point and uses relaible sources, but would be happy to discuss. Rather than go down the edit war route, I was wondering if you might have the time to look at this again. Personally, I think the way forward is the two paths you suggested (reliable sources noticeboard and dispute resolution).Mattun0211 (talk) 02:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Blog

Saw your note at ANI, where the blog was reported a while ago. It was almost certainly created by Shannon1488 (sockmaster) & makes some truly outlandish claims. Such as that I inhabit Liverpool and, erm, various other things. In the space of a fortnight I was "accused" of being stupid because of the US education system, living in Japan and living in Liverpool - all by the similarly misguided people as are now targeting Kurmi and various other India-related articles. The last accusation was by far the most demeaning ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Haha, what, you live in Birmingham or something, some English version of the Garden of Eden? Well, we've all been there (not Liverpool, of course)--apparently I outed myself as gay on this very talk page yesterday. So, Sitush, are you doing anything special tonight? (PS Haven't ridden the CBX in weeks now...) Drmies (talk) 18:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I have to play around with Fanny tonight ... - Sitush (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, I expect you'll be at it for a while then. Is that more or less fun than cleaning up List of paraphilias? Look at the "long" list, before cleanup--whatever you thought of doing, ever, it's deviant. Smeerkees! Drmies (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
      • <g> I might end up needing your help, actually. I am ripping into some bits that go beyond the original agreement with the owner. I am definitely correct but am expecting some whining. No need for any edits from you, but a "yes, he is right" may yet be needed. That article resembles a coloring book. We will see. - Sitush (talk) 18:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
        • OK, I'll give you just one nugget: I'm removing Hedonophilia, or "Sexual arousal from engaging in pleasurable activities". For real! Drmies (talk) 18:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
          • That's... silly. LadyofShalott 19:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
            • You can join in, if you want. - Sitush (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
              • Arrrrgh!" - Sitush (talk) 20:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

<--Did you see this? Drmies (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I didn't bother checking to see if it was an admin comment or otherwise. It is plain bonkers, and admins are not immune to that failing from time to time. Ahem. - Sitush (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It was someone with less than 1000 edits. Drmies (talk) 22:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Those may have been extremely competent edits right up until the removal, whereas my 20k may have all been poor! No, with hindsight I should have odne what you did: reinstate the A10. It has gone now, Fastily being fast. - Sitush (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

<-- I can't believe the DYK that ran for that article: "...that Fanny Crosby wrote more than 8,000 hymns despite being totally blind?" What a hideous phrase! There are other, better ways the same information could have been conveyed. LadyofShalott 22:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Did you know that Jorge Luis Borges was a librarian despite being blind? Drmies (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• • Nope, didn't know that about JLB. Regarding Crosby, the fact that she was also illiterate must have caused some difficulties with her ability to *write* over 8000 hymns. A weak hookline all round, then. - Sitush (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• I did not know that either. (That line does not strike me in the same way as the Crosby line.) LadyofShalott 23:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Lady, anytime you want to take over on Talk:Louis Van Amstel, be my guest. I'm going to shoot myself. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• I'll take a look. LadyofShalott 23:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• I thought that the protocol was to contact IRC or ANI or somewhere sharpish when suicide threats were made? I'll do it for you, when I wake up tomorow. - Sitush (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• An editor who doesn't get it, or two kids who never took a nap. Take your pick. Anyway, both are handled for now, I see. Lady, thanks for trying... Drmies (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome. It seems his socking wasn't very subtle. LadyofShalott 00:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

50Kb trimmed off Crosby in around 24 hours but it is 0200 here and so I bid thee goodnight, gentleman and fair maiden. - Sitush (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• <Blush> You're flattering me--how did you know I was still a maiden? (And FYI, the Lady is of the female persuasion.) We're at 222,000 now. That's still only ten times Lady Gregory's article. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Damn, you're fast!

You know I do not csd tag articles, but this one was far too blatant. All I can say is you are incredible fast. Thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• I know you don't usually do that, and I saw your edit summary go by on recent changes--it was worth a look. You were spot on; thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
  • So, does wielding the mop keep you too busy. :) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

An answer that says "this isn't a question"

You might be thinking of Mu, whose meaning can include situations like that. —Soap— 01:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Right--I thought it was something like that, but couldn't find it. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Dinosaur World (Florida)

I'm not sure I understand your last edit comment on the Dinosaur World page -- their guide clearly shows that PZ Myer's claims is accurate, as they do support creationism. Sorry if I put it in the wrong place. I felt that it gave merit to his comments. 134.161.227.70 (talk) 16:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• You said, "This claim is supported...". The only possible antecedent for "this claim" is that the park is sneaky, or that Myers said that the park is sneaky. Neither are likely to be found in the teacher's guide--what you meant was "that the park is creationist is supported by...", and that's how I phrased it in my subsequent edit. I hope this clears it up. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
  • I can accept that. I was thinking one way, and you another. You have convinced me. 134.161.227.70 (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks. I'm just a lowly grammarian trying to eke out a living. ;) Drmies (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Joost Swarte?

Swarte? Haven't heard of him in years; thanks for reminding me of his existence! --Orange Mike | Talk 16:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, Joost Swarte. I love his work, though looking back it's very 1980s. But I haven't looked at his stuff in a decade or two--maybe I should update. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Blumhofer query

I cannot see p. 217 of Blumhofer. If you can, please could you let me know if that one source covers all of:

More Like Jesus Would I Be", her first hymn written for W. Howard Doane in June 1867, expressly for the sixth anniversary of the Howard Mission and Home for Little Wanderers

Methinks, smjwalsh is citing redundantly here (as in other sections). If Blumhofer covers the lot then I will amend accordingly.

Ta muchly. - Sitush (talk) 20:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, no--can't read 217-220... BTW, have I ever suggested you look at the history of Tahash? Drmies (talk) 00:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, well. I'll just delve into what I can see around that portion. Re: Tahash: if you did, then I didn't. But I have now and this is a classic "my brain is frying" edit summary. The main contributor prior to the clean up appears to be a little, erm, left-field. I am sorry to say that that sort of fervency is all too common in those sort of areas. I don;t know how it is in the US but over here there are significant players in the media who rant and rave about extremist Muslim fundamentalism but conveniently ignore the equally problematic role of extremist Christian fundamentalism in day-to-day life. Systemic bias, probably, although I tend just to think of it as bias, period. - Sitush (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, I see that SJA has form in the bluntness area. <g> - Sitush (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• True that, re: left field and bias. I tried to be delicate and go step-by-step with Tahash, but it wore me out. SJA and I both got a bit blunt toward the end. Well, you've made progress, and I need to pick it back up at Wyandanch, New York, though there's little incentive. And I still have a ridiculous list of paraphilias to go through--did I tell you that deriving pleasure from kissing is not normative? And fisting, I understand I guess, but mere touching? Drmies (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• How does that list stand on spermophagia? Wait... don't answer that. LadyofShalott 01:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ha, I was going to tell Sitush how you and I bonded, but thought the better of it--and now you bring it up yourself. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• What a weird way to get to know someone, but you're right, we did bond over that piece of... something. Do you remember if we had interacted previously anywhere? Maybe CoM's talk page? Or was that article the first place? LadyofShalott 02:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• We met through CoM, yes. First article--I don't know. Mandarax can easily find that Contribution intersection tool on toolserver, but I don't know if those results are organized by date. Ah Lady, remember how young and beautiful we were, and how pretty the world seemed to us...hand in hand, edit by edit, through the Elysian fields... Drmies (talk) 02:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• That was (p)ages and many miles (of typed characters) ago. LadyofShalott 02:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Someone pass me the sickbag, please. Nothing worse than watching two oldies drooling over each other. And who the heck is CoM ? - Sitush (talk) 02:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sitush, are you emetophilic? Vomerophilic? Secretly gerontophilic, matronolagniac, alililagniac, or chronophiliac? Do I detect a reference to your hidden salirophilia? Or is your mechanophilia finding a digital outlet? (And don't you call the Lady old!) Drmies (talk) 03:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• LOL, Sitush, I saw your edit summary and thought you were reacting to the subject matter matter mentioned above. CoM is User:ChildofMidnight. LadyofShalott 02:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

(out) A couple things about Ms. Fanny: (1) it sounds like she was plagued by bad health, but she lived to 94; (2) she supported abolition, but wrote lyrics for minstrel songs. In each pairing, I know those things can go together; I just find them interesting. (3) I think I've had about as much fun with Fanny as I want for tonight. I pass the torch back to either of you who wants it. LadyofShalott 02:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is this helpful? Do any of these 609 entries ring a bell? PS: Mandarax and I are at 1916...) Drmies (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Don't worry; it's now 1919, so a certain degree of symmetry has been restored to the universe. As for the first meeting of you two star-crossed spermophagiologists, sorry, but I'm afraid I can't offer my usual level of service. Using this, I found your first mutual interaction on (and the Lady's first edit to) UT:CoM. Oooh, I discovered secrets about both of you! Perhaps the discussion which prompted that was your first meeting? ... Followed shortly thereafter by your first appearance on her talk page and a little later, the aforementioned CoM edits. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• You old farts jabbering away at each other is giving me a headache... plus it's scaring your grandchildren. Toddle off to your naps now. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 09:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Mandarax, I think you have found it exactly, and I think it was shortly prior to that I'd had my first interactions with CoM. Ed17, eh? What's that you say? LadyofShalott 11:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Mandarax, you are priceless. Yes, she blinded me with science, and I plied her with bacon. She never responded re: our mutual passion for the serial comma. Ed, you're being a teenager. Get over it. Just think about what your parents are doing, on the couch, when you're at the movies watching Harry Potter. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• (1) haven't seen HP. (2) Meh. No thanks. More frightening than anything else! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• I couldn't guarantee that that was your first meeting, but if so, then maybe I did provide a higher level of service than I'd thought. But there's an addendum: it was very late, and I forgot to add one of the most important, related, relevant pieces of the puzzle: Lady's first edit to this page. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• 1919 pages in common? That can mean only one thing... 'scuse me while I run off to SPI. (That's actually a really impressive number.) Drmies, your good taste in comma usage cancelled out your offer of raw bacon. LadyofShalott 22:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Uh oh. You're too smart! I guess my/our clever bacon eater/vegetarian ruse wasn't quite clever enough. Oh, I bet it was also that frakking serial comma. Next time I'll remember to use it in one and only one of my identities. Confused by my use of the word "frak" even though I've claimed on my talk page that I didn't watch Battlestar Galactica? Well, I learned the word on Veronica Mars. Lady, does my use of an expletive which isn't an expletive in the edit summary seem somehow familiar? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Uh oh, indeed. Someone's been reading my RfA... I've never used that word in an edit summary since, and it was a long time before I dared use it at all on WP again. LadyofShalott 23:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• When's CoM coming off his block? October? Then we can have a real party, if he comes back. Mandarax, you're more social than I've seen you in a while--have you been drinking? Note: I'm sipping absinthe right now. But the kids are complaining of hunger, so I'm going to make dinner. I'm enjoying this trip down memory lane and will have a look at the Lady's RfA later. And as for the raw bacon, Lady, stop giving me a hard time--you know I would have cooked it any way you like it, though raw bacon has its use too. Drmies (talk) 00:03, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• But giving you a hard time is so much more fun than compiling diffs for an RfC. As for the photo, I'm imagining what that would feel like to wear, and eeeeeeewwwwwwwww. LadyofShalott 00:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

<--Don't get me thinking. I note that Mandarax has already withdrawn from the conversation. I'll tell you what, though (and I'm telling you as well, Mandarax, you vegetarian), cold bacon grease is no pleasure, but nothing is as nasty as vegetable shortening. I'm speaking as a baker, of course, not as an ad-hoc expert on [List of paraphilias|other matters]. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

As for CoM, I just checked, and his ban expires August 26 - just a month away. LadyofShalott 01:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say I withdrew from the conversation. I know it doesn't happen often, but I do occasionally mosey away from the computer for brief periods. Interesting that you mentioned my recent increased chattiness, as I was just thinking how this is turning into more of a wiki-social network for me lately. Maybe we are sockpuppets of each other and (spoiler alert) → just don't know it. (Ever notice how we never edit conflict each other?) • I've actually been drinking less than usual lately. Maybe I'm a contrary; that might also partially explain my signature. Do you do absinthe the "correct" way, with the special spoon and sugar cube? I've only had "real" absinthe once – incorrectly – and it was kinda nasty. There's a Burning Man camp called Abstininthe, where they serve pseudo-absinthe containing homemade wormwood extracts, but they do do it the correct way. There are also some bacon-themed camps, most notably Makin' Bacon, but I suspect they tend to eat it more than wear it. • You failed the "fantabulous" test, but here's a chance to redeem yourself. What does the Lady's comment above which begins with "1919" make you think of? (It's up to you to determine which part of that post I'm referring to.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Mandarax, I just made clever rhetorical use of your coffee break to insinuate that there might be special feelings of one kind or another. As for your quiz--seriously how purple do you think my haze is that I wouldn't have seen that the first time around? And by the way, there's a real interesting theme section in this month's Guitar Player on the Fuzzbox--I'm going to get to work on that article soon. Finally, my gift box did come with the sugar cube, but I drink absinthe like I drink Pernod--as often as I can, and with ice and a splash of water. And then I close my eyes and think of that time that I was in a band and played out on the street during the Festival d'Avignon. We were bad! But we had a lot of fun. Cheers! Drmies (talk) 04:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

So did I inadvertently make a Prince reference or something? [totally lost in this conversation now - don't laugh at me, much] LadyofShalott 04:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

The Lady has been warned. Please, Lady, absolve yourself by bringing Purple Haze up to GA status. Now, excuse me while I kiss the sky. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

And kindly get your head out of the 80s, young lady. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

... and into the 60s! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, if that's my penance, then I guess I'll just have to be in trouble. <sigh>C'est la vie. But I still don't know what y'all are talking about. Oh well. I'm pretty sure it's not about Joseph or Imhotep or other Jewish Egyptian people. LadyofShalott 04:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

"Purple haze, was in my brain, / Lately things don't seem the same. / Acting funny, but I don't know why, / Excuse me, while I kiss the sky." Failed the Hendrix test-->citizenship revoked. Drmies (talk) 04:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah ok, had I realized that was the test, I could have told you I'd fail. For my birthday, I got Rare Bird Alert - fun stuff! LadyofShalott 04:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

← Not long ago I tried to find an alcoholic beverage I'd tasted years earlier but never knew the name of. Thanks to this newfangled interweb thingie the youngsters are all talking about (that's for you, Ed17), I was able to search for "Good & Plenty liqueur" and find Pernod. But my most recent and delicious discovery which I'd never had, or even heard of, before is Strega. I'm certainly not surprised that you passed the Hendrix test. But the Lady, from whose fingers magically spring music ("C'est la vie" → Emerson, Lake & Palmer), got the lyric more correct than you – it should be "'scuse", not "excuse". Note: for the record, I prefer the other side of the "Purple Haze" single: "The Wind Cries Mary". (Frakkin' whippersnappers these days probably don't even know what the other side of a single even means.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

James Tod

If you have a mo then please could you cast your eye over James Tod. If nothing else, then the "Reputation" section. Would you consider him to be WP:RS given what is there? - Sitush (talk) 07:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• No, I wouldn't--there are too many caveats. Even the word "race" (but see my edit summary here) is an indication already that his work is at least outdated, and his bias seems clear enough. You may well cite him on coins, I imagine, but his pronouncements on caste seem too biased--but I think you knew that already. ;) BTW, I just saw that you pretty much wrote the entire thing--my apologies for fiddling with it, but I note the 'sic' wasn't yours. You did an excellent job, as usual. Drmies (talk) 01:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the run-through, edits and comments. Indeed, I would not have sic'd - that was ridiculous but for some reason I missed it. It was basically a complete rewrite & I think that quote is pretty more all that remains from the original. It has been suggested that I GAN the thing, and I may yet do so.

My query was phrased neutrally for a reason. This guy is quoted all over the shop, primarily because of the Indian viewpoint discussed in Reputation. However, I understand that his topography was pretty good for its day & so that could also be cited without a problem, if ever anyone wanted to compare the height of a hill in the early 1800s with its present height, or some such nonsense. Which reminds me that I need to retrieve my copy of The Ascent of Rum Doodle from the black hole that is my brother's borrowing library (he does not lend!). - Sitush (talk) 01:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sounds like a delightful read. I have a nice brother--he sent me a translation of Rilke's Neue Gedichte one time. BTW, I have a pretty complete library of Everest expeditions (from the 50s on)--much of it indeed fodder for satire. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Somewhere, stashed with photos of bikes, is a photo of the Rum Doodle bar in Kathmandu. I am sat outside it, gasping like a fish. Re: translations of poetry, there was a very interesting discussion recently on a newspaper's book blog/comment section regarding at what point does the translation effectively become a new work. That is, a fairly literal translation can be attributed to the poet, but if the translator is intent on better conveying the intended meaning then it can rapidly move so far away from the original wording that it takes on the semblance of being a work in its own right. But you probably discuss this sort of stuff every day at 'bama. - Sitush (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Being in 'Bama and at 'Bama are two different things. Only the former applies to Drmies. Sincerely, an Alabama native LadyofShalott 02:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sounds like a US/English English thing, Lady. And I'll have you know that we who speak English English have had a bit more practice at it <g> Cue long philological discussion, with accusations of mild racism and comparisons of present day speech patterns with those c. 17th-C. It would have been very handy if the Fathers had recorded their speech back then, better to resolve the issue of whether the US "drawl" is closer to English wot wus spoke at that time than is modern UK English. They really should have thought of that, you know. What's the point of travel(l)ing all that way and not documenting things in full ... I !vote that we all switch to speaking Flemish, although my specialism (sigh, specialty) is gibberish. - Sitush (talk) 02:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• I know, how thoughtless of them. Now if we could just figure out the whole time travel thing, we could go back and hear exactly how they spoke. Of course, isn't it a Ray Bradbury story "The Butterfly Effect" that speculates that if we did that, by the time we returned everyone else just might be speaking Flemish? LadyofShalott 03:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• There is quite an interesting (YMMV) effect relating to time travel and light years. Imagine, if you will, an object out there in space that is c. 400 light years from earth. Now, imagine that you are sat on that object. If you looked at earth then you would be able to witness the Pilgrims landing in real time ... although, of course, the sound would be out of synch. - Sitush (talk) 03:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Gratuitous violence

Sadie loves hot dogs

Just a reminder of what's really important in life: a dog on a grill. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Unintentional blanking

Thanks for catching that. I'm using Twinkle, and that's the second time it's bizarrely blanked a huge portion of the page today. I'm taking it to them. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• No problem--glad to be of help. Have a hot dog while you're here. Drmies (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Rick Roll'd Phishing

I really wanted someone to get Rickroll'd before some admin would tear it down. Darn. ._. Here's a cookie for your work. :D? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.239.125 (talk) 01:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ha, nice try! But I recognize the URL, I've used it on Facebook. As you see, we take our mission seriously here at Wikipedia. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 03:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

is Louis Van Amstel a notable dancer?

He's no Gene Kelly, Fred Astair or Ginger Rogers to be sure, but he appears to hit WP:GNG quite strongly.[5][6]. I can perhaps hope the article author uses other sources to verify what is in the man's personal bio and to expand the article. Los Angeles Times [7] Chicago Sun-Times [8] Wetpaint [9] ABC News [10] were easy to find. There are many more if the author can be made to undertand that they are the preferred sources. And meeting the GNG or WP:ENT as a dancer aside, I feel the section listing his dance numbers and partners runs affoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY and should be either trimmed to the most notable (well-covered) or put into a sourced prose format. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks Michael. As you can see on the history and the talk page, there was some fan trouble, let's call it that--and they weren't really listening. What you note in the table, that's, in my opinion, a problem with all such tables in game shows and reality TV programs. Start editing them and you get an entire community upset. Is it worth it? Not for me. How is the movie business these days? Drmies (talk) 04:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Unless the newcomer is being deliberately obtuse (and we hope this is not the case), he might find the information at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines to be specially useful (Note: It is geting closer to going live). Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.}
    • They'll be back in a month... Drmies (talk) 04:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
      • Or in some other manner, sooner. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ehsan Sehgal

He's a poet originally from Pakistan, now living in your homeland. Can you turn up anything in the Dutch literature? LadyofShalott 05:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hmm. Nothing in the Dutch archives yet. Drmies (talk) 14:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• And nothing in the regular Google News either. What I saw on Dutch pages were some generalities about being a famous Urdu poet, but none of the sites I saw were reliable. I'll look again and will let you know. Drmies (talk) 14:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
• Well, I found that Haagsche Courant article, and saw it was in the article already. I made some tweaks. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! LadyofShalott 14:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ehsan Sehgal

Heya Drmies, some quick questions/notes. First off all, I noticed that you added links to images of all the articles (all of which, BTW, can be found here, including two Dutch articles which I see LadyofShalott asked you to research. Did you see the second?) My question - is that a copyright issue? I was told earlier that we could not include links to sites which violated copyright, and I'm assuming the UrduToday doesn't have the copyright for those articles. Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 15:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Specifically, this is the second Haagsche Courant article; did you already find it? Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 15:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• I hadn't looked at that website--I tend to stay away from them. Instead, I looked directly for titles, and so found them the slow way, so to speak. I looked over the talk page but my old eyes did not see anything about copyright--it is a valid point, though, and I think the LadyofShalott will set me straight soon if I erred. (To be honest, I hadn't thought about that at all, so thanks for pointing it out.) No, I hadn't seen that more recent interview; I'll have a look in a moment. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
  • BTW, to all concerned: I plowed through the archives of Trouw, de Volkskrant, and NRC Handelsblad and found nothing, not a single thing. Drmies (talk) 15:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
    • I very seriously doubt you'll find anything else, at least in terms of interviews/profiles, because I'm almost positive that all of the scans were uploaded to UT by Ehsan himself (although now I can't find the link that said so), i.e., if there was anything else, he'd have uploaded those too. Nolelover ^{Talk·Contribs} 15:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Right

Hi,Drmies,goed gedaan,yes there was no any reference,but those cotents which have the reliable references,1,2,3,have been removed from poetry section,please check,and revert the removed contents,if I am right.It will be legitimate,I think.Urdutoday.com is now in discussion at the notice board,there are many references,which can be applied and referenced to removal contents and sections,I will come later,when fate of urdutoday.com is decided.Tot nu toe weer is lekker.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Dat is fijn om te horen, Ehsan--als je over het weer begint is het duidelijk dat je zo Hollands bent als maar zijn kan. Sinds 1978? Exciting times--Den Uyl, oil crisis, etc. I've commented on the poetry section on the talk page, and updated the reference to the Nation Today review. I hope that's helpful. All the best, Drmies (talk) 15:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Dank U,ja weet ik alles,sir,there is a mistake in the poetry section,about Behr,sentences,you removed,and merged in forms of poetry,it is not correct,Behr is not poetry,nor any form of poetry,it is only meter,Behr.Please change it yourself,and revert the sentence,then will be OK. Changing the tags,I do not think that they are significant.I will ask from User:Nolelover about it.This is for you,just looking. http://www.extaze.nl/?p=527 Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 15:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• OK, I made some changes. See if it's better--and my apologies, meter from that side of the world is not my forte. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Dat is goed,maar,daar zit nog fout. Natt is not correct Naat is goed.One more,sentence should be "and he also writes meter called Beher".It will be kind of you if you change it again.On my talk page which you searching Today Nation,it is USA newspaper,The Today Nation is or was the Pakistani newspaper and it does not has the wikipedia article.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Please change the title Publications,because Book section is also Publications.Give new name or Poetry,or Writings,but not publications,it is not suitable. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

citation needed

Unusual marriage paragraph on nair article have no citation . I just asked for citation thats all. please check yourself.

• It's been dealt with on the talk page, ad nauseam. Drmies (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Basically No. The debate there was if that paragraph should be put on the introduction itself or not. other than user stush talked about some 'unclear reference that may have it' nothing to support the clame that "Nair marriage was divided into two separate rituals, the pre-puberty thalikettu kalyanam and the later sambandham" I like to know where this detailed division is given. then "This practice led to some women (predominantly from central Kerala) bearing legitimate children with several husbands, and in some areas it lasted until the 1960s" who said any thing about 1960?? "Some Nair women from higher subdivisions also practiced hypergamy" who said so??

I like to see the reference for this three statements . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.216.204 (talk) 17:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• It's on the talk page. As for references, read the article--objectively, please. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Am just saying if you put the citations there itself the article will look more solid thats all . I dont know why administrators are looking disgustedly at every one suggesting a change in nair article other than sitush or mv. I hope you can see the big picture here. every one on that talk page except sitush & mv thinks that article is a pov. Its been going for 4 months now. older talks were deleted by some people. but it was all editors & ips vs sitush & mv . is there a chance that sitush is the one whos pushing the pov?? I like you administrators to look in to this matter with no prejudices. 122.172.216.204 (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary

I just love typing this edit summary! I could do it all day long and still chuckle about it. - Sitush (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• You are very silly. I like typing "Wikipedia is not a source for Wikipedia." Drmies (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Help to citation

U heeft echt goed gedaan,Ik ben U dankbar,and hope you will continue to help in this regard. You have cited in bibliographi ref:5.Here for other books references which are already accepted as a reliable source.

ref:1 http://www.urdutoday.com/sites/default/files/01.jpg

For-Novel and Sehr-e-Jazbat ( book )

ref:2 http://www.urdutoday.com/sites/default/files/03.jpg

For- Parwaze -Takhayyul

May be as under link,is reliable to cite for book, Naze Takhayyul

http://www.google.nl/#q=ehsan+sehgal&hl=nl&prmd=ivnso&source=lnms&tbm=bks&ei=MLQxTv3FE4qEOuTVoOEL&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=6&ved=0CBQQ_AUoBQ&prmdo=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=f27f5174a9392a3d&biw=1024&bih=403

On the second ref: there is translaion of title as,Flight of imagination. Please help me to cite into book section.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Note

You miss first poetry book Sehr-e-Jazbat (A City Of Emotions) to cite,Ref.1,is needed too,book is mentioned in article.

I see your editing notes,in pakistan,this is very common to be a private student,that means who have jobs or other poeple who can not pay the university fee,they can study as a private student. And your other note, I have not got political asylum,nor refused,but I had myself withdrawn asylum appeal because of some painfull reasons,it is a big and long story which,I am writing in these days in my autobiography and will published next year in April or March,(in Urdu,Englih,and Dutch.).

One thing more, in my photo image box,my nationality is shown Pakistani,but since 1986,I am Dutch National.but I have also Pakistan Origin Card,which means entitled visa free entry into Pakistan. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Appreciatable,thanks a lot.Nu zie ik gezicht van autobiografie. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 21:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

WP Comic book, perhaps?

Hello. You have a new message at LadyofShalott's talk page.

• Charming! I hope its as exciting as the Smurfs. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hah! LadyofShalott 16:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Tod, again

Can you see this? The download link is at Columbia Univ and needs a username/password. I have the feeling that it may be a monster of a thing. - Sitush (talk) 01:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I get the same prompt. You overestimate my power, and the collaborative spirit between US universities, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Check out Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Columbia University. The only one I know is Malik, who is very, very helpful--maybe he (still) has access. Drmies (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Great idea. I have left a note with Malik. BTW, it seems posisble that MangoWong may be setting his sights on James Tod. I really could do without him spreading his tendentious, wikilawyering and obtuse POV there also. Still, it has been quiet so far. - Sitush (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)