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Merla

I've restored the redirect for now and asked the 'creator' of the new article here to do so at a new location. If and when they do we could probably change Merla into a disambig. GiantSnowman 13:28, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Kate Murphy

Sorry about that. I tried to make a hatnote instead of the redirection page.

I have made a new page for the chess company manager. It is now called Kate A. Murphy. Is it possible to make the page: "Kate Murphy" into a Disambiguation page. That way, it can redirect the user to both the chess company manager and the Blod of Proof character Kate Murphy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shry97 (talkcontribs) 16:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I am new to wikipedia, so thanks for you info. She is generally known as Kate Murphy, but I added her middle name initial to be able to create her page. --Shry97 (talk) 17:50, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Your response at the Help desk

Sorry about that. Sinebot fell down on the job and I guess I wasn't paying attention. I'm looking at the history.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:40, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Honda CBX550F

Thanks for the update on the inboard discs. Apologies for the delay, have been doing entirely different stuff this year - a refreshing change - and didn't realise it's been a couple of weeks since I logged on. Have a look at this outboard back brake - Mustaf Bin another bad idea.

I've still got in mind to try to ascertain the date of renaming from Portobello Straight to Minter Straight! Also had a chap offer me some Honda CD175 images - I found another road test in the house, been on the dressing table since last July to remind me to finish the article. I have dusted, well, a couple of times... "The dust doesn't get any worse after the first six years..." - Quentin Crisp? rgds.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:37, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Steve Brennan

Yes, Hugman is reliable - and the CPFC Twitter could also be used if needed. GiantSnowman 14:57, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

DOB help

Hi- You commented on this question I had. I am wondering if you can help me. You said you saw the editor posted a note of some sort. I am trying to find who put it up there so I can contact them to take it down. Here is the thread in question. Can you help me?

Hi-

I am a voice actor and a page was created for me on Wikipedia. First off, I'm so flattered and grateful that people I don't know thought me noteworthy enough to make a page about me. And I would be happy to help add to it, though I am not familiar with coding. One thing I would prefer not to have published is my birth date and age. I try to keep that information non public as it can effect my career opportunities. Is it possible to have some one help me to remove it? Or direct me to some one who can? I'm happy to verify that I am indeed me if you'd let me know the best way to accomplish that. The page is for Carrie Keranen. And I'm her :)

I appreciate all your help.

Sincerely, Carrie Keranen CareBearFinn (talk) 20:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I have removed it. The sourcing was not appropriate for the personal information. -- GB fan 20:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

It's been put back; with a note by the editor concerned that DoB is sourced. However, one source mentions Facebook and the other seems to be a free local-paper. Eagleash (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Please see WP:DOB "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object. If the subject complains about the inclusion of the date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." - Arjayay (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

CareBearFinn (talk) 23:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the DOB per the user's request since it now falls under "subject complains about inclusion". Also added COI stuff. Thanks again for raising it to my attention. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

About this 92.21.250.221 anonymous editor

Hey just wanted to let you know about this editor you seem to have warned the editor earlier the editor have blanked his talk page and he seem to have been doing a lot of changes on some articles that were redirects I'm not sure whether they are vandalism or not so I thought it would be better to let you know about it Have a nice day :) Dinnypaul (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Fittipaldi FD

Nice work! DH85868993 (talk) 00:02, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Edits to Quasi-Contract

My apologies for the removal of the information on Talk:Quasi-contract without explanation. The reason for the removal was that the original page was updated with accurate information, resolving the confusion in the talk page. In the future I will ensure that the reason for such changes are made more explicit. My apologies again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason246xy (talkcontribs) 01:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Vanwall VW55

Thanks for giving me the info on the above redirect, I recognise there is a strong consensus for it and similar ones.Perhaps I could ask your opinion on AFCs related to motor racing? Atlantic306 (talk) 20:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

About some of your posts at User talk:Bretonbanquet#New section!

Hi Eagleash, I'd like to comment about some of the things you've posted in the abovementioned section. You complain about AFC reviewers not taking note of content on the Talk pages of drafts. You need to post the comment on the draft page itself, above the start of the draft article, or at least place a brief note there to inform reviewers that relevant information exists on the draft's talk page. The AFC review procedure does not normally include looking at the talk page of drafts, so unless you explicitly notify us we would never know that there is anything to look at. Preferrably you should use {{AFC comment}} to post your note to the top of the draft page (not its talk page). You (or some of your fellow WikiProject members) might also consider doing some AFC reviewing, we're often short-handed and subject specialists are always welcome. You're also welcome to contact the AFC review project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

AFC/R problem

Was this edit deliberate or a mistake?

If it was deliberate, please can you explain it here.

If it was a mistake, please can you fix it.

Thanks. 82.132.247.147 (talk) 05:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Apologies; definitely a mistake! Completely at a loss to understand how the error came about. Restored the missing text. Please check to see if it looks 'consistent'. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 09:42, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Motor Sport spin-off mag - info requested

Watcher! (as Barry Sheene used to say...) I recently chanced upon a new-ish article compiled by a self-identified, former part-time journalist, referring to a racing bike, his racing exploits on it, his published track-test of it, and citing the mag (all 1970s), amongst other things. No concerns there.

The writer further states the title Motorcycle Sport was a Motor Sport companion-mag. I have several of these mags in the house; one I thought (from memory, hidden midst a myriad of words) mentioned the first issue as 1962 but checking, this does not accord with your volume-number sequence - no probs as yet, but the BBC used two volumes per year, each six-monthly, and I have to anticpate similar volumes to get from 1962 to 1964 (eg. November 1964 cover states Volume 5, Number 11, pages number from 401 ignoring the cover).

Example chronology is:
* 1964, Wardley Tee, City Road, London EC1
* 1966 Teesdale at City Road
* 1969 Teesdale at Standard House, Bonhill Street, London EC2A 4DA and
* 1979 as Ravenhill publishing, at Standard House, Bonhill Street.

The writer also variously comments:
* ...the companion monthly magazine to Motor Sport, and published at the same premises, and
*It was later sold and became a rather different type of Magazine under the title 'Motorcycle Sport and Leisure' after Cyril Ayton left MCS and died.

In the issues I have, there are no identifications of any staff members on the internal mastheads, and the (mostly or often) part-time(?) contributors are signed with initials-only - J.G. = John Griffith, and B.M.S. = Bruce Main-Smith (both old school motorcycling journos), and L. J. K. S., ferinstance. A.S.H.? . Mostly when I figure one out, I then forget!

Does this accord with your experience? Do you recognise the name Cyril Ayton? Only Googling-up a few books for him. Anything else you could add? Whereas I occasionally cite these mags, there is little to base a WP article on - as mags and similar do not generally report on their peers - but I would not discount it, even though I dislike stubs. Motor Sport website as mentioned above (in archive) is not helpful - no publisher, no 'about us', no historical progression. Thought I'd get it recorded now, sooner rather than later. Thankee very muchlyfold.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

The volume numbers you referred to here - remembered seeing it User talk:Eagleash/Archive 2015#Motor Sport Magazine which seem the same arrangement as Motorcycle Sport. The earliest I have are 1964, which show as volume 5. If there was one volume per year, that would mean the first run was 1960, whereas I though it was 1962, so I was hypothesising if the first runs were occasional (produced quarterly or similar) and hence numbered differently. The BBC used two volumes per year for their The Listener monthly publications, Jan to June, July to Dec. There is no Wiki article for Motorcycle Sport, but the later version is cited a couple of times [1] (Morton's Media). I'll think on it. I could message the former-contributor if I go ahead with a stub [2], although nothing from him this year. Those mags you have would be useful. I cleared-out some 450 pieces gradually a few years back, mostly dated after 1979. Is Wesley Tee Wardley Tee, or was that another collaborator? A Mr Wardley and Mr Tee. Can of worms. I thought you were a copy editor, but not that recently. Thanks--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:32, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for your help so now you deserve a kitten

Lucy idegwu (talk) 15:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Lucy idegwu Aww thanks. :) Eagleash (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash your welcome i had no problem doing that😀Lucy idegwu (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

I'm really bored with nothing to do so I'm just sending something else and this is fun Lucy idegwu (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Maine coon

Added links. If I need to number them and put them on the bottom of the page if you explain how I will do so but can't figure out how to put them there. The maine coon is the largest *domesticated* breed. A hybrid breed may be larger but since it gets usually half or more of its DNA from a wild breed it is not considered fully domesticated. The savannah cat is the largest Hybrid breed. Thus the distinction. If this distinction were not made then Hybrid wolves wood even be considered domesticated though any veterinarian (and a lot of local law enforcement codes) and they will say that it is not. The word *domesticated* and what it implies here is key I believe. Jlm3c (talk) 01:45, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I could not find a page that explained how to properly list the links. Jlm3c (talk) 01:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Talkback

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AFD Question

Hi, I have seen your responses on BLPs at the helpdesk and thought I would ask you for a second opinion on Taneli Tikka. I don't want to formally propose this for deletion if there is no chance. I'm not quite sure what to make of this BLP. It obviously reads like a resume and has information that should definitely be removed (like the fact that he has two cats). I really don't think he is notable. There are over 50 references, but I really don't see anything that deep. It has been substantially updated by a paid editor (which is disclosed on the talk page). My instinct is that this person is using WP for promotional purposes (and even pays some one to do so). But since most of the refs are in Finnish, I can't read them. My judgement is based on what I see in the article. There is a lot of stuff there, including a couple of awards. Thanks for your feedback. MB (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

MB Hi, it's borderline at best and definitely needs some revision. As you say it's difficult without being able to read the language to see what the refs are like as WP:RS. I would suggest tagging it for clean up to start with...in the meantime I will seek a third opinion. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

MB Some enquiries have been made via other eds. and Finnish speakers. It seems the refs. are good and that the subject would pass notability. Page definitely needs cleaning up though. Eagleash (talk) 15:11, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I tagged it as LIKE RESUME, and removed the entire section on HOBBIES/FREE TIME. Hopefully, someone else will pare it down further. I really doesn't need to list every company he's ever been associated with; it should focus on the things that make him notable. MB (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
MB That's good. I've done a tiny bit of tweaking myself and restored a defined ref which got lost when the hobbies bit was removed. Eagleash (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

If you are new to Wikipedia you may not be aware that some people use the article texts on their sites as the license alows that. This means that before you suggest something is a copyvio you should check in what direction the copying was done. // Liftarn (talk) 14:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016

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You may redact/archive this if you wish.Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I replied to the OP's original message at his talk-page. (I had used a template but there was an edit conflict). Eagleash (talk) 16:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hot cars.

A chrysler cirrus for you!
Thanks for being an awesome editor! FixCop (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


FixCop. Thanks; but why? Eagleash (talk) 16:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I appreciated your edits on Tony Dean (racing driver). FixCop (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

FixCop Thanks. Dean is one of a number of notable, but not F1, drivers who lack(ed) articles. May yet create some others. Eagleash (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Erik Sommer

Your message to them yesterday was spot-on, however as they have continued to be a pest at the article, and as they have a long history, I have sent them a final, firmer warning. Let me know if it happens again. GiantSnowman 17:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I mean it's highly likely to be the subject himself, but we cannot know for sure. The latest IP edits have dealt with some of the issues and added sources, so I'd suggest not to worry about it for now as it looks OK... GiantSnowman 07:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
I've blocked them. Thanks, GiantSnowman 07:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi,sorry to bother you, could you advise whether this article is notable, thanksAtlantic306 (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Thanks for your help, I won't oppose deletion as he does not seem to be at the top level yet. Atlantic306 (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Substitution

Hello Eagleash!

Data : just an example.

  • I have superseded the content of the page (1) in the page (2), using this element : {{...}} (and not this element : {{subst:...}}) .
  • The page (1) contains this category : [[category : Example]].

Question : What can I do for that category to seen it in the text editor of the page (2) (note:I can't rate it manually in the text editor of the page (2) when there is a lot of pages).

Same question with another way : what is the code that can modify the [[category : Example]] on the page (1) to rendre it seen in the text editor of the page (2).


Mr. Yassinosse ☚╣✉╠☛ 16:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: Yassiiiiine also posted the same question to my talk page and to the Help Desk. Answers should probably be placed there. Dismas|(talk) 16:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Dismas Yassiiiiine Sorry, I don't understand the question...even in English! (Je ne comprends pas). Eagleash (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Bradley Wright-Phillips

Oh, I'm very sorry, I was told he assaulted a 21 year-old baby. My apologies. Thegreatfrank (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

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thank you very much

for your able assistance at Phi Gamma Delta House. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. Eagleash (talk) 14:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Herbert Hagen

Deletion proposal- I wanted to know about this particular Nazi guy, as he being the associate of another butcher Eichmann, but could not find anything at enwiki. But there is a big one at dewiki. Started this article on the hope that someone knowing de would come up and add content. Got no time to discuss further, I don't care if it is deleted for notability or kept, thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinayaraj (talkcontribs) 01:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Hi Eagleash just wanted to say thanks for fixing my edits on Penske PC1.

That's the first Wiki page I've properly edited & I've got a lot to learn about adding links (and everything else!). Can you point me somewhere that explains the proper url-ref syntax?

I've also noticed that Karl Kainhofer (Penske's key Mech for years) doesn't have a Wiki page. I'm interested in getting one started but haven't created a page from scratch b4 - is there a template I can use for this?

Thanks! Geekstreet (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Red Bull

Gaming does not require any athletic ability and is thus not a sport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.154.39.153 (talk) 09:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sport?s=t "noun 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.154.39.153 (talk) 10:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Don't touch the red bull article mate, I've requested semi protection. Thanks for yer help there. Muffled Pocketed 11:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
BTW, although I replied on my TP, I just want to say here that I hope I didn't sound completely patronising! Cheers, Muffled Pocketed 12:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Images question

Hi Eagleash, me again :)

Can you pls clarify for me the process of sourcing images for Wiki pages? I've seen a few pages where pix have been stripped-off, eg this from Ferrari Mondial ...

(Removing "Ferrari_Mondial_QV_Coupe_Side_View.jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by Nick because: per c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Changomo.)

I understand that you can't just get images from the web & paste them up, & I assume these Mondial ones fall undet that category..


I've got some of my own personal photos to add to some pages, but have these questions:

  • Do I need to first submit them to Wiki Commons?
  • Do I need to have EXIF metadata attached to the photo to make it acceptable?
  • What if I have some scans of hardcopy photos (ie not from a camera) - are they acceptable?
  • Do I need to say somewhere they are public domain?

Any help much appreciated, thanks! Geekstreet (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Jimmy Clough

Hello. Hugman does agree about the date of birth, but gives a more specific birthplace. Feel free to place both it and the Palace books wherever you think they'd be most helpful, or remove any that are redundant. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:58, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Roy Summersby

Citing the tweet is probably acceptable for now, and {{Cite tweet}} exists for just such an occasion. GiantSnowman 19:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 30 August

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 Fixed. Eagleash (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Help request: Draft:Formula One on ABC

I will need a lot of help to add parts of Draft:Formula One on ABC because i'm not sure how many races a year ABC broadcasted F1 from 1962-1990, I know about ABC broadcasted F1 from 2001 to 2002?92.21.246.183 (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Squad templates

There's no hard-and-fast rule about this as far as I know, but the way I edit (based on years of practice/consensus) is that we update the 'current squad' listing/ template at the start of the season when a club releases their 'official first team' list or similar (now a 25-man squad in the Premiership). If a reserve/youth player makes the first team or first team bench, then I add them to the list/template - see e.g. this and this. GiantSnowman 08:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Grammar article

I didnt edit your grammar article. I dont know what youre talking about168.184.14.106 (talk) 22:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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Help request: Draft:Formula One on FOX

Hi, I will need your research of Formula One races on FOX, which channels it was on and it's broadcasters.Rowde (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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A cupcake for you!

I know you said "no need" ... but I thought you deserved it anyway! Thank you! Maineartists (talk) 00:10, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Your comments solicited here: Talk:Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_Canada#Rename_Cannabis_in_Canada_or_create_new_article.3F. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 08:11, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney: Thanks but it's outside my field of interest (or editing). I once pointed out some unconstructive editing at the project TP I think. Eagleash (talk) 12:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

RE: Andrew Sachs

No problem. Thanks for the advice too, I'll try and bear it in mind. Samuel J Walker (talk) 00:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)