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TFA

Thank you today for William the Conqueror, introduced (in 2012): "I am nominating this for featured article because after extensive work and revamping, I feel this is the best article possible for the subject. Everyone should know about William the Conqueror - his invasion of England in 1066 is one of "those dates" that even Yanks can remember. But there is a lot more to William than his invasion of England, and this article tries to put him in context of his entire life. After numerous copyedits, an extensive peer review process and lots and lots of work (including the most excellent family tree charts by Agricolae, who has no idea I just co-nom'd him for this... surprise!) This is what it looked like when I began work this January. It's doubled in size and the sourcing has been greatly improved as I've done a complete reread of the two main biographies of William to update the sourcing. I've also incorporated a number of other works on the Conquest and the time period, but the major sources remain the scholarly biographies of William. This is a wikicup nomination for me, but it's been a labour of love for myself as well as all my wonderful helpers. I present - William the Bastard who became William the Conqueror, a rather dour but extremely important historical figure."! - On a smaller scale, we have expanded Lars Vogt from a short article focused on conducting tenures. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Robert II of France

What are your thoughts concerning this section? Robert_II_of_France#The_King_of_the_year_1000 --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The whole article is hugely bloated. 15,000 words (not counting quotes!) for someone who is ... basically a rather obscure Capetian, who ruled not much territory and didn't have a huge impact on history beyond managing to keep his dynasty going. William the Conqueror comes in at 8200 words, for a monarch with a much larger impact. Gees. The specific section you raise is utterly WP:UNDUE and pretty much WP:SYNTH, as very little of it relates to Robert. Ealdgyth (talk) 20:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I believe the "bloat" was added by Aldebaran69. I will make a sweep through the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Taking over two GA nominations

I provided a second opinion at the GAs for SS Manasoo and PS Keystone State, but looking at how busy you seem to be I thought I'd ask: would you like me to take over both reviews and just finish them? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Please. I do not like the sourcing at all, but I feel bad if I fail them and I'm not around to deal with the fallout. And I'm going to be busy for the next couple of months.. heh. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Will do; no problem. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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Your revision of my edit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Val-%C3%A8s-Dunes

You state: (unsourced (and the 1841 monument should not be considered a reliable source compared to academic works used in this article))

I note that there are only three academic works listed on that page as sources, only one of which focuses on William the Conqueror. I'm interested to know which of them are you using, and on what authority, to overturn the date of the battle as recorded on the monument on the battle site, and also at French Wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_du_Val-%C3%A8s-Dunes). You may verify by that page's edit history that I did not write that date at French Wikipedia. Don Hollway (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Article content should be discussed on the article talk page. However, the date is given merely as "summer 1047" in Douglas in his biography of William the Conqueror. You'll note it's sourced in the article. Nor do Hagger or Bates give an exact date for the battle in their biographies of William. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Ealdgyth:

I’m not as experienced at Wikipedia as you are. This was the best way I could find to contact you directly. If you want to continue this discussion on the article talk page I’ll try to follow you there.

That said…August 10 should surely count as “summer 1047.” If one author (Douglas) was unaware of, or neglected to specify, a date apparently known to the French for some 200 years or more, are we as Wikipedia editors not at liberty (indeed, are we not responsible) to make the information available and more accurate? If the date is approved by French Wikipedia editors (again, I did not write it there and was unaware of it when I made my edit), shouldn’t that make it OK for English Wikipedia users?

Don

PS: I own two Thoroughbreds, one quarter horse, and one mongrel Pinto/Westphalian. :-) Don Hollway (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Another wikipedia is not a reliable source. Nor is a battlefield monument without any sourcing that dates from 1841 a reliable source as compared to three academic biographies from the last 60 or so years. You'd need other academic sources that give the date to make such a claim on this wikipedia. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

“Wikipedia is not a reliable source” is strange coming from a Wikipedia editor. And I take it by “academic source” you mean as academic as defined and approved by you? Like those two sources on the page only tangentially related to the subject? Don Hollway (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

“…Val-ès-Dunes having been fought in 1047, on August 10, according to the Abbé Le Cointe, which indeed is only what might be supposed from the dedication to St. Laurence (August 10) of the chapel built in conmemoration of the victory upon the little hill where the final defeat of the rebels was accomplished.” 'J. Le Cointe, "Conspiration des Barons Normands. . . . et Bataille du Val-des-Dunes" (Caen, 1868, 8vo.) https://books.google.com/books?id=YAxBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354

https://www.normandythenandnow.com/rebellion-and-the-epic-gallop-of-william-duke-of-normandy-in-1046/ https://www.totallytimelines.com/william-i-the-conqueror-1027-1087/ https://www.wikiwand.com/en/1047 https://www.understandingwars.com/801ad-1500ad/11th-century/val-es-dunes-battle-of-1047/

If you simply Google “date of the battle of val-es-dunes” you get August 10, 1047 Don Hollway (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I think you really should acquaint yourself with what a reliable source is for wikipedia. Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability have a bunch of helpful information to read over and digest. The rest of this does indeed belong on the article talk page - which is located Talk:Battle of Val-ès-Dunes Ealdgyth (talk) 18:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Bedivere.cs is caught in the hardblock you put on this user and is requesting that it be softened. Are you OK with doing that, or should we just address it through IPBE for the duration? They have edited since 2009 with no blocks or other issues AFAICT. Daniel Case (talk) 06:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

No problems at all with softening. I’m busy this morning…can you deal with it? Ealdgyth (talk) 11:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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Germanic

GizzyCatBella and I have a bit of a history and although we haven't interacted in a while, I suspect that she (for some reason) has out of the blue followed me to Germanic peoples to revert me. Just to explain a bit of the tension.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

What history? I don’t remember you (?) @Ermenrich Please ping me next time while talking about me. - GizzyCatBella🍁 21:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)