User talk:Eldr-fire

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Waukechon, Wisconsin

At Waukechon, Wisconsin, you wrote: "The Menominee ceded this land to the United States in the 1836 Treaty of the Cedars. However, the source cited does not mention Waukechon, Wisconsin. You did the same at Clintonville, Wisconsin. Adding a general history of Wisconsin to the history sections of hundreds of individual articles is not appropriate. Unless the source cited specifically mentions the subject you are writing about, it should not be used. Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Hi, Magnolia677, thanks for your feedback. Waukechon and Clintonville are not mentioned by name in those sources because they didn't have those names then; those names were only given after white settlement. They were able to become the towns they are known as today because they were included in the 1836 Treaty of the Cedars. You can see the full text of the treaty here where the geographical bounds of the treaty are described in more detail: https://menominee-nsn.gov/CulturePages/Treaty1836.aspx

On the Waukechon page there is no History section so I can understand why you might not think the treaty history of the general area is relevant because there is no other history given at all. However, the Clintonville page has a History section which mentions the first white family to live there without explaining how they were able to obtain that land in the first place. The Treaty of the Cedars did not cover all of Wisconsin, so it is not "a general history of Wisconsin", but a local history that directly impacted on every single town where white settlement increased after 1836. Eldr-fire (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

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Hi, thank you for your concern. I do not believe there is a conflict of interest because I contacted Sabine Hyland after I found the image on her website that I wanted to use while writing this article and that is how I received her permission. I am not being compensated; I simply contacted a copyright holder and received permission to use her image when she learned that I was constructing a Wikipedia page about her. However, if you do not believe that I am able to use this image on Wikipedia due to the inability to prove through Wikipedia's procedures that I have received permission from the copyright holder, please remove the image. --Eldr-fire (talk) 14:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

As per your message above I have made the necessary changes to the image so please ask the original copyright holder of the image to send a declaration of consent to Wikipedia OTRS for license verification purposes. Thank you. GSS (talk|c|em) 15:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

March 2019

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Waukechon, Wisconsin, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Zoar, Wisconsin. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't you remember that we resolved this issue in October 2018? This information is not unsourced. We discussed this and resolved the issue, with you giving me the green light to undo your edits on pages where I added information about the Treaty of the Cedars. The treaty covered a huge geographical area and did not mention each settlement by name, but it is relevant to the history of every settlement which was founded in the United States after the Menominee ceded the territory. Please do not keep sending me these warnings about an issue we resolved months ago. --Eldr-fire (talk) 21:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

ETA: Here is the link to where we discussed this on your talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnolia677/Archive_17#Wisconsin_"unsourced"_edits --Eldr-fire (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Could you please add links to the source that supports that these places were what your edit says they are? Said another way, your edits are not supported by the source you keep adding. Could you add the additional source so it doesn't appear unsourced? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi :@Magnolia677:, I see what you are asking for. Since the treaty covered 4 million acres and thus affected many future settlements, perhaps it would be more expedient to add this source to the Wikipedia article for the Treaty of the Cedars, rather than to every individual settlement's article: https://menominee-nsn.gov/CulturePages/Treaty1836.aspx This is the source I previously shared with you which gives more detail about which areas were covered by the treaty. Would you accept me adding this source to the Treaty of the Cedars page in place of adding it to every single Wisconsin settlement affected by the treaty? Thanks for your input. --Eldr-fire (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Shawano, Wisconsin

You gotta stop this friend. The source you added doesn't mention Shawano. Keep adding it without some explanation and I'm going to report you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: And I would really appreciate it if you would stop undoing my edits before we resolve this issue, which I replied to earlier today on your talk page and am awaiting your response about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Magnolia677/Archive_17#Wisconsin_%22unsourced%22_edits Why do you refuse to accept that 1) The Treaty of the Cedars covered a substantial portion of eastern Wisconsin, as explained in the terms of the treaty (which I have already shared with you several times, and which is linked as a source on the Treaty of the Cedars page)? and 2) Shawano and many other towns in eastern Wisconsin were founded as a direct result of the Treaty of the Cedars selling land from the Menominee tribe to the United States, following pressure to sell land in the 1830s to make room for Indian tribes which were removed from New York; and that therefore Shawano and other towns cannot be mentioned by name in the treaty, and yet the treaty is the direct cause of their settlement by white Americans and therefore of direct relevance to their Wikipedia entries? I am going to ask for a third party moderator to weigh in on this dispute if you continue to insist that I am not sourcing material when I have repeatedly explained how the sources I am using work. --Eldr-fire (talk) 19:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

ETA: I am especially confused because you have already given me the go-ahead to revert to my edits, then undo my reversions. I have already linked you the source of the treaty several times; surely if you are that insistent that it be used as a source, you could add it yourself instead of repeatedly undoing my edits? --Eldr-fire (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

ETA: @Magnolia677: Okay, I have located a map which lays out the 1836 cession more clearly: https://decolonialatlas.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/menominee-treaty-lands/ Would you be satisfied if I went through the Wisconsin articles I have edited and added this source? And that if I have added the Treaty of the Cedars to an town which is not in the orange area on this map, I can replace it with a different relevant treaty if I find a map for that one? Again, I really wish you had waited to undo all my edits until we resolved this, as it has just expended a lot of energy from both of us. --Eldr-fire (talk) 19:49, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Let's keep the discussion here. As I said on my talk page, mentioning the Treaty of the Cedars on stub articles makes them unbalanced, per WP:UNDUE. The same would be true if an editor went to the article Hood, Virginia and added a statement about how its overseeing government was impacted by the American Revolutionary War. The statement is true, but it's hardly notable in an encyclopedic article about Hood. At this point, unless you can support with a reliable source that a specific community is mentioned in relation to the Treaty of the Cedars, then it is unsourced content. Again, read WP:UNDUE. I would suggest at this point you seek outside support in this content dispute. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: I'm not sure you saw my proposed compromises above, or my responses to those critiques on your talk page when you previously tried to use the Virginia example (which I believe is not equivalent due to WP:Systemic Bias and also the much different scales of the AmRev and the Treaty of the Cedars), but anyway, I have requested a third opinion on this dispute here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements Eldr-fire (talk) 10:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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