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(talk page stalker) Sideswipe9th, you must have missed the banner at the top of the page which states that the user is aware of DS in these areas and should not be given alerts for them. Please remove the alerts, and keep a lookout for banners such as this, as they're becoming quite common. (For example, you yourself have one on your own page.) Bishonen | tålk 07:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC).
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Abortion-rights violence

A tag has been placed on Category:Abortion-rights violence indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Using the term "terrorist" in wikivoice Jane's Revenge

Hi. I don't think we can call Jane's Revenge "terrorists" wikivoice, as you have done in these edits; [1], [2] [3], [4]. The label terrorist does not appear to be widely used by reliable sources about the organisation, and I cannot seem to find it having been listed as such by any US governmental agencies. Would you please adjust these and any future edits to comply with the language used by the majority of reliable sources as per WP:NPOV? Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed:
Resolved
Elizium23 (talk) 04:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Emigrants and immigrants

I have started to try to create some more of these Emigrants from x to y instead of booing emigrants to Foo Category. So far I have tried to do it where none exist. I started with Category:1550 births and have been moving forward.

So far I have added several categories under both Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of England and Expatriates of the Kingdom of England. I have also added categories related to the Republic of Vence, the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth, the Dutch Republic, the Holy Roman Empire, the Kindom of Scotland and the Kingdom of Ireland. I think Category:Emigrants from China to the Dutch East Indies is another recent addition. So was the Old Swiss Confederacy. I have noticed [[:Category:English emigrants to the United States][ has some people who died long before 1776, let along moved before that year.

I have created a,few Kingdom of Bohemia entries, but am thinking the cases of Italy and Germany are going to be a little tricky. I created Category:Kingdom of England expatriates in the East Indies.

A lot of the categories are small. I am not sure all are going to be justified, but I think before we give up on them it will take some effort. I am only to 1587, and because of my topic restrictions there are some articles that I cannot edit. The Kingdom of England cats apply until 1707, and others later so there is a lot of review. Plus there may be articles before 1550 that could be added as well. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the mislinked categories. Sometimes it is hard to get these things right when I am editing in my phone. I really think a rename to Category:Emigrants from the United Kingdom would really help. We currently have Category:Immigrants to the United States. So we should it seems have reciprocity. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

  • I will probably be banned for any editing on Wikipedia for the next month, so if you leave a comment I may not respond to it quickly. I see there is a discussion on changing the overall categories like Category:People of the Russian Empire to Category:People from the Russian Empire. There are huge issues there, but I am not seeing the current CfD discussion really getting at the issues. For one thing, I am starting to think this may be a decision best made on an empire by empire case. Some of the name issues are unique to each case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Another POV-pusher trying to defend their small Christian group

In case you have any interest in it, the user Ploreky has been POV-pushing at Apostolic Catholic Church (Philippines) for a while. You may want to have your eyes on this article.

I inform you of this, because the case is similar to what happened on the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen etc. pages a few days ago. Veverve (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Apostolic Catholic Church isn't a "small" Christian Group, as far as I know. It has Congregations larger than any "Small" or "Tiny" Christian Groups are. It's Catholic.
the Fact that it has 32 Dioceses worldwide in several Countries means that it doesn't make it a "Small" and mostly a "Group" Ploreky (talk) 09:01, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

General Roman Calendar

"I believe that the list of saints and their associated commemoration dates belong in the respective, specific GRC articles and not elsewhere. Elizium23 (talk) 01:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]" Yes, ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I would like to have the "old style" prior to the deletions of September, with the dates, reattached, and that goes for 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1954 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1960 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar [See comments - "Here is the problem, without the dates involved the General Roman Calendar of 1960 has, for instance, the Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damian on September 27 BUT accorded to the General Roman Calendar (current) the Feast of Saints Cosmas and Damian falls on September 26 ... I find that Wikipedia is confusing the readers with not having the dates ... Bob Tarver (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)"] Bob Tarver (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022

This revert was bad. You have re-inserted uncited information into a biography of a living person. Why? — Trey Maturin has spoken 12:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Elizium

Dear user elizium , in my last edit I had added in a link directly backing up my changes onto this page . Savita died of sepsis not as a result of the fact that she couldn’t have access to abortion but sadly and simply the fact that she was neglected . I wanted to make that point in this article (that is for the public to gain knowledge on not just a one person stance page ). I am not trying to cover your work over or dumb anything down I just would like more non bias wording and facts in this piece . Some of the first paragraph is simply not a fact . Ernesto parot (talk) 23:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Jerry Leaf: reverted edit

Hi, What was the reasoning behind reverting my edit regarding the death date of Jerry Leaf? Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello, thank you for your comment about the deletion of my issue on The book of Daniel, I appreciate the issue you brought up, and if you would like to, voicing that issue on Talk:Book of Daniel would be very welcome. and I would love to have more positions introduced as it's currently basically me, tgeorgescu and one other individual, and your consideration about tdeorgescu's interpretation of chopsy might help with the current discussion. Thank you so much, have a great day. Billyball998 (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Malachi Martin

Hi your removing my edit on Malachi Martin as spam was a mistake. This is a reputable article, based on research and data of Leuven University where Martin studied. No other link provides these data. The website is reputable as well, its author holds two genuine doctorates, unlike Martin, and is affiliated with two other mainline universities in Europe and Africa. Please reinstate, (misereatur) Misereatur (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Tower of Babel, you may be blocked from editing. Stop edit-warring. This isn't personal. You know that the other editors disagree -- time to move to talk please. GordonGlottal (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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Tower of Babel

I am completely out of my depth here, but would this source work for מִגְדַּל בָּבֶל?

I was unable to find anything concerning:

  • Mīgdal Bāḇel

Sorry. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, it is good for the basic letter forms, but the Tal dictionary consists of unpointed text. The dots and lines around Hebrew characters mean it is pointed, Hebrew cantillation, or "Masoretic text". Not to mention the fact that "Samaritan Aramaic" is related, though different to, Biblical Hebrew. Elizium23 (talk) 21:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
So yeah, this is over my head. Ok. Was just trying to help. Stay safe, Elizium23! --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:18, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Migdal Babel is not a Samaritan Aramaic term (anyone who reads both can tell on sight) so if it appears in an SA dictionary it's as a loanword from Hebrew. Any Hebrew dictionary will include both "migdal" and "Babel". The dots you mention are "points" or vowels, not cantillation or other Masoretic notation (which are generally not included on wiki pages because they're meaningless out of context). Dictionaries are almost never pointed except if designed for a set lexicon (Biblical e.g.) or for beginners. Transliteration policy is sometimes controversial on here. I use a standard tool but see also WP:HE for less technical use cases. What you quote one works fine. I'll be offline for the weekend. GordonGlottal (talk) 21:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Gordon, I've struck my incorrect cantillation remark, and I'm being derided because I'm somehow incompetent and "challenging spellings". Weird, I thought we observe WP:V around here. Elizium23 (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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Cristero War edit war

Hi, I'm not here to moan about the block or insist on the other user getting blocked, but what exactly is the way forwardhere? The initiating editor is very clear that they don't believe they need to provide sources, build consensus, or engage at all (beyond logging out to avoid a block). Given that the edit messages were 100% personal attacks I assumed that any mod reading them would understand this, but ... maybe not? Thanks ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 22:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

The way forward involves discussion and consensus building. Elizium23 (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
I get it -- I broke the rule, I'll take the block. I'm just at a loss as to how one builds consensus with an intransigent editor on a "this is political bias" kick; I've tried reaching out multiple times, but have only been met with wild personal accusations and an insistence that removing these unsourced, highly inflammatory claims is "revisionism".
What is the practical solution here?
If the the answer boils down to "a mod will eventually notice", in the meantime we're pushing this nonsense out to a whole new generation of readers who will believe we are committing "historical revisionism" when it gets removed again.
OTOH if "build consensus" is a euphemism for "organize with other editors to take turns reverting it", it seems like editors invested in keeping the unsourced, inflammatory version have a pretty decisive numerical majority.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, I really wasn't expecting any response to a post venting about an edit-warring block. ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 04:32, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
You pursue WP:DR for dispute resolution or you just disengage awhile. It's no big deal if one or two editors wants to take over an article for the sake of pushing something in/out of it. It's just one article. That's all your block is for. So you're free to start an RFC, tag and discuss, seek more opinions (such as on WikiProjects), post to noticeboards (such as WP:NPOVN), take a walk, I don't know. There's a ton of options for dealing with disruption. Elizium23 (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Good perspective -- alongside the option of "take a walk", the idea of initiating Wikipedia Arbitration Proceedings against user marioplumber234 does sound pretty silly. Thanks ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
ShadyNorthAmericanIPs, the IP address has been blocked as well, and the page is protected to prevent further logged-out editing for a while. You have continued edit-warring after receiving a clear warning; I'd do the same to Trainerash123's account if they continue after the warning they have received. There is no hard evidence for Trainerash123 having logged out, for privacy reasons. If they don't edit for the next two weeks, though, this may be caused by the IP address block that will also affect whoever-that-was while logged into any account. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Greta Thunberg

Thank you for the revert. I don't know why, but I was sure that the movement was "School Strike for the Climate". That, in combination with the literal translation, was why I had edited that. I was wrong, so thanks for reverting my edit. All the best, Mac Tíre Cowag 20:30, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Teresa Forcades

You've just reverted my change in Teresa Forcades article.

About the reason you gave:

"this looks like a publicity stunt and was apparently not any sort of honour or awards ceremony, just a panel discussion with a gigantic panel and no men."

This list called "BBC 100 Women" begun at 2013 and in this month (of 2022) it is still being published. So it is a serious list.

And it doesn't present men because, as the name says, it is a list of 100 Women.Sintegrity (talk) 03:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes; I was also concerned because it looks like you've mass-added this blurb to over 100 BLP articles. I checked out the category and it has been nominated for deletion twice. If it were up to me, I'd delete the category, because it's not WP:DEFINING for the reasons I outlined. I question whether it belongs in all the articles you updated, but I have refrained at present from mass-reverting you, in light of the fact that the category has itself survived two CFD rounds. Elizium23 (talk) 03:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Yeah. All of the women I added to the category are really there. I am organizing an edit-a-thon for 2023.
As you may see in this Test page I looked at ALL of the Wikipedia English article and categorized them for this 2023 edit-a-thon.
And if you look at my contributions in Wikidata, you will see I ALSO improved the information about them there.
And, before you ask. No, I am not a bot. And I also don't know how to create one. Iam not a developer. Sintegrity (talk) 03:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Well, since the category is not WP:DEFINING then I would say it is up to editors of each article to establish consensus for or against inclusion of this category and mention of it in the article. I can see other valid objections being raised, so there is no guarantee that your edits will stand everywhere. Elizium23 (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

December 2022

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Defrocking. You're acting in bad faith. This is your final warning. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Pbritti, I find your aggressive behavior off-putting and if you'd like to report me to WP:ANI then do it sooner, rather than later. You're hurling all sorts of random accusations as if you'll eventually hit on something that will stick. This is not the way to win or resolve a dispute. Elizium23 (talk) 03:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
You are an experienced editor. Discuss the issue with specifics on Talk:Frank Pavone, Talk:Defrocking, or Talk:Loss of clerical state. Try focussing on content. I don't want you blocked. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:35, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
There's no vandalism and you know it. There's no incivility either, and you know that full well. Your threats of blocking are empty and you seem to be intent on winning the argument or quelling my arguments against your position. Why so hostile? Elizium23 (talk) 03:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
That's not a content discussion. Again, attempt one at Talk:Frank Pavone, Talk:Defrocking, or Talk:Loss of clerical state and cease your vandalism. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:48, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
What are you going to do if I keep vandalizing articles, will you defrock me? Elizium23 (talk) 03:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Again, that is not content. Are you going to provide additional reasoning on any of the talk pages listed? If not, I'll accept that you have no further dispute with the content I have added to Defrocking and Loss of clerical state and don't dispute the word "defrocked" when referring to Frank Pavone. If you do wish to provide additional reasoning, you are welcome to add said reasoning. Further vandalism will likely result in a block, with neither ritual nor canonical stipulations. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

That's a ridiculous assumption. I've said my piece and I don't need to hammer on about it without others weighing in. I think you need to accept the fact that a dispute still exists and stop removing maintenance tags out-of-process, because that is disruptive, my friend. Elizium23 (talk) 04:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Not how it works. You have to provide continuing rationale for a tag to remain up. If the issue has been discussed with no further dispute or need for additional, the tag comes down, per policy. This doesn't address the Pavone article, either. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
While placing maintenance tags is a clever, they can't remain in perpetuity without cause. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:28, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring on abortion article

Are you edit warring on an abortion article at Frank Pavone? 73.92.146.88 (talk) 18:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

WP:3RRNO #3 (sockpuppetry). Who wants to know? Elizium23 (talk) 19:01, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

December 2022

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Negev. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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GAR

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Edit and move draft to Article

Draft:Geevarghese Philexenos II draft articles move to Article and imporve the article. Geevarghese Philexenos II was metropolitan of Malabar Independent Syrian Church and Malankara Metropolitan he was very popular and very important person in malankara church. So many people are searching for this metropolitan in Wikipedia but this article is draft so people not dose't seen. I will improve this article Ls8anonymous (talk) 10:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

You'll need to prove that WP:GNG Elizium23 (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Care with Rollback

Please be careful rolling back edits so as not to introduce typos as you did at Nerses I [5]. Jahaza (talk) 05:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Nationality

Hi Elizium23,

This comes from a place of ignorance rather than disagreement. In relation to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Farrell, surely a man born and raised in Ireland qualifies as Irish? Feargal27 (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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WP:ANI

Although the account that reported you to ANI is a sock, and has been blocked as such, this referring to someone as "a putative woman" is not acceptable - please don't do it again. Thank you. Black Kite (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023

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I tried to improve this article

Hello! I have tried to improve Heresy in the Catholic Church. I would like to have your feedback on the article in its current state. Veverve (talk) 07:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

As noted above, Elizium23 has been indefinitely blocked and therefore is unlikely to respond. Jahaza (talk) 08:21, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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Where did he go wrong?

After nine months of allowing thoughts, memories and feelings to gestate, if you will, in my psyche, I've reflected deeply on what went wrong last year, especially the final 3 months or so, and leading up to my ultimately just and appropriate indef block.

First, some background on me and my history. I joined about 16 years ago, I've tens of thousands of edits, and I've invested most of my time in struggling against vandalism and disruption. I was a fairly reactive editor; I maintain a 9,000-row watchlist and mostly revert stuff, or if an edit pops up I might give TLC to the article and related ones.

I've operated in very specific topic areas, but I've also branched out and put tentacles everywhere here. I seek out disputes and I try to add my two-cents. I had been rather indiscriminate about that, to a fault, and I'm not sure how much good that does for me or the community.

Due to my extensive contact with trolls, socks, edit warriors and all manner of disruption, I had unfortunately sunk to their level and become quite tendentious! A just and wise man will not permit himself to be sullied by the company he keeps; perhaps a bit is inevitable but I take responsibility for this.

I was once upon a time quite the POV-pusher, frankly. I strove to represent my view but I really hoped and prayed that I could keep it all within Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and not piss off the community so profoundly as happened last December. But yeah, that POV is at odds with Wikipedia's culture, its beliefs, and its editors, so it had made me rather unpopular; it was wrong of me to defend the indefensible edits, insults, and disputing over dumb stuff. To be quite candid about it, I'm a conservative Christian SJW type.

Full disclosure that I suffer from serious mental illnesses. As do many here, I'm sure, and we all have our crosses to bear. But clearly the crazy gets to me and possesses me in a very real and literal way, and December was a bad, bad month for that. That was out of my control in large part, but I could've just taken a Wikibreak before it all went down, you know?

I think that's enough self-revelation for today, September 29, so: מועדים לשמחה to those who observe and celebrate it, Слава Україні, happy Friday, and I wish you all the best for a bright future. Elizium23 (talk) 09:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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@Buaidh, it's on my calendar. -- Robert Earl, Arizona. Elizium23 (talk) 05:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

What happened?

Oh wow. I didn't know you ever appealed your block. Allow me to be brutally honest.

In the few weeks leading up to your indefinite block, I thought you had lost it. In fact, you reminded me of a newbie that normally gets indeffed after a few weeks. You also reminded me of myself on WP:AN twice this year. This year, my mood swings were so terrible that I actually scrambled my password on my old account because I felt like I could not stay civil. This was after I got deep brain stimulation to treat my OCD (unrelated). I also felt like I was getting detached from reality because I wandered into unexplored and possibly WP:FRINGE territory on a number of controversial topics that would most likely offend a lot of people on here (No, I am not a closeted fascist or Andrew Tate supporter). In the end, I just accepted that writing a truly neutral article in today's political and religious culture is a lost cause that our core policies cannot accomplish. Instead, I know that I will only get what I want after much of the social sciences and medical field realizes that they don't know what they are talking about, and go WP:TNT during the next political realignment. I almost got indeffed myself, but now I am no longer worried about that happening to me any time soon.

To be honest, your unblock request isn't good. You say you won't cause disruption, but you have not provided substantial proof to back that up. Instead, it screams "I cannot set aside my biases."

Up until early 2021, I noticed very little drama on your talk page. What changed? Scorpions1325 (talk) 06:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Action plan, 2023

So how can he do better? Is there any hope for this dude in this community anymore?

As of today, he has no intention of requesting unblock or filing a banplea, so this is purely theory and hypothesis.
  1. Practice some respect and deference. For God's sake, be polite at all times. Just earned a serious reprimand for rudeness at work. What does that look like for Elizium23? Count to ten before responding. Walk away from disputes and arguments. Sleep on the bigger decisions and never act rashly. Lashing out in the moment has damaged me profoundly, more than anyone else I hurt. Also it means, if someone is different from me, and I'm finding ways to hate them, I need to stop personalizing it and accept the default of human dignity, good-faith and intentions, and then defer to their superior knowledge and more well-informed opinions: who am I to judge?
  2. Stay out of controversies. For Pete's sake, just unwatch stuff if it's gone past ArbCom or DS, or perhaps some crazy stuff is raging on the talk page. No further participation in any more Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars! Ain't nobody got time for dat! Moreover, stop seeking out controversies and whatever is none of my business. Stay on topic and stay focused and I will stay happier, and piss off fewer collegial editors. It was the morning of June 24 when I made a beeline for every last blessed page in the Abortion topic and really really stuck my neck out. I was begging to get it chopped in two and then have a scissors snip my spine to finish me off and toss me into the Stericycle. What I should've done is scramble my password and then hardblock every WMF server in my router for >=40 days, until I could behave somewhat rationally or at least leave my colleagues and admins here alone.
  3. Technical means of preventing me from editing. I'd like to exercise these. I have DNS blocking and admins have tban and pblocks now, so things could be worked out. I'm quite compulsive and persistent but often, simple barriers can discourage me just enough to quickly surrender. I should also track and limit my editing time. My hours at work are capped, and shouldn't my Wiki time also be constrained? I'm a volunteer!
    TBANs to start with:
    1. Roman Catholic Church plus Eastern Catholic Churches, narrow - this would hurt but it would certainly curtail certain problems
    2. Sacred Scripture
    3. Abortion, broadly construed
    4. LGBTQIA+, narrowly construed
    5. WP:MOS, narrow - prolific but troublesome
    6. BLPs, narrow - see above
    7. US Politics - I barely edit here already; under DS
    8. Palestine-Israel
    9. The Troubles - I'm Irish/Scottish and Catholic, don't let me touch 'em
    I'm also ready and willing to request IBANs with anyone who has had trouble with me. Please feel free to speak up.
    1. @Horse Eye's Back:
    2. @Natemup:
    3. @Avatar317:
    4. @Tgeorgescu:
    5. @Tamzin:
    6. @Emolu:, formerly known by a few choice aliases
  4. Encourage and collaborate with my allies and colleagues. This is a collegial environment and nobody should be a lone wolf (or gunman). Right, so I should hand out a few barnstars once in a while, and drop notes to folks when I think something would interest them too, instead of pinging someone only when I've got a problem or argument. I should generally work in synergy with folks and augment their editing, rather than creating work or undoing their hard-fought accomplishment.
  5. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not therapy – above I mentioned mental illness and my spiritual struggles, right? So why should I rely on editors to solve them and heal me? That's defo not what they're there for, and no amount of activity here with the WMF will make me any healthier or happier, simply by dint of being WMF. This year I've lost my church, I've lost my support group, I've quit my meds, but I can't turn around and focus on y'all to replace those.


Basta. Elizium23 (talk) 09:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Pings added Elizium23 (talk) 09:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

  1. @Horse Eye's Back:
  2. @Natemup:
  3. @Avatar317:
  4. @Tgeorgescu:
  5. @Tamzin:
  6. @Emolu:
Elizium23 (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Belated reply: while I didn't like your POV (say: during one year before you got indeffed), generally I did not have problems such as WP:NPA while interacting with you. So, an IBAN would not be needed. tgeorgescu (talk) 11:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit request, 25 December 2023

Elizium23 (talk) 19:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Izno (talk) 19:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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