User talk:Freemans land

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Speedy deletion nomination of Karl Templer[edit]

Hello Freemans land,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Karl Templer for deletion, because it seems to be a test. Did you know that the Wikipedia Sandbox is available for testing out edits?

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 20:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The page Karl Templer has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the content of the page appeared to be blatant advertising which only promoted something or someone, and which was unlikely to be suitable for an article (or at best would need a fundamental rewrite). Wikipedia is not a medium for promotion of anything, whether a company, product, group, service, person, religious or political belief, or anything else. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Karl Templer (March 8)[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Karl Templer, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an acceptable page. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

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Talkback[edit]

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Your recent edits[edit]

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your sandbox[edit]

Hi. I noticed your developing Karl Templer article. Administrators have blocked you from moving your sandbox into the normal AfC draft namespace I can only assume because of your past run-ins. I am sorry that this process has been wearying. Wikipedians have to deal with all kinds of vandals, cranks, and crazies which drain our collective patience. Since this isn't a for-profit business we don't have to exhibit customer service behaviors, either. We're like the Red Cross; so long as we get donations we don't care if people are unhappy.

I assume by now you've read the applicable notability criteria. You have one noticeable reliable source which is the New York Times. However, the source doesn't say what the lede paragraph claims: "his work has appeared in publications internationally including Vogue Italia, Vogue Paris, W, and The New York Times". This inconsistency undercuts the article.

I have found instances where Templer is credited with styling the cover of New York Magazine, and in Details, and this spot in Vogue where someone says "My fiance, the stylist Karl Templer, gets me quite a lot of clothes. I am very lucky.". Bolstering the article with snippets like that would be more helpful. Also consider looking for sources that are not online. That's a harder path but it could be that some of what you're looking for isn't being published online. There could be trade magazines that discuss this in more detail. You might also consider asking WikiProject Fashion for help, as the editors there may have suggestions.

Of course, it's possible Karl Templer is just not notable and you have your own partisan reasons for tilting at windmills. There are alternative online places to build this bio, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chris

Thank you for your guidance. I really don't understand why this page is being repeatedly deleted. I have used a number of credible sources including a book by Rizzoli, Vogue Italia and British Elle which are all notable international publications.

Karl Templer is very well renowned in the industry is without doubt notable enough to have a wikipedia page. I have been told that I can't use interviews with him as a source, or his Streeters agency. So why then is Katie Grand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Grand and Craig McDean's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_McDean Wiki entries then built entirely on interviews and their agency profiles?

With regard to the New York Times this is a source proving his collaboration with Stephen Meisel and Craig McDean as the source states. The Business of Fashion cites his involvement with Vogue Italia, W, Fabien Baron etc.

Sorry I have been trying to create this page for over 2 months now and I'm not getting anywhere - I don't understand why some Wiki entries have been approved with far less credible sources than Karl Templer's.

Thanks for your help - I look forward to hearing from you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freemans land (talk • contribs)

@Freemans land: First, "Other stuff exists" is not a legitimate rationale. Not all editors apply our guidelines the same way and this leads to understandable heartache with the viewing public. I can only explain my thought process. You're welcome to contact the editors at WikiProject Fashion for a second opinion.

The New York Times source says "Anyone inside the business can match names like Venetia Scott, Bill Mullen or Karl Templer with the labels where they have performed their magic anonymously, and at rates approaching $5,000 a day. (That would be Vuitton, Versace and Calvin Klein.)". So that means you can tie Templer to Calvin Klein. It says nothing about his collaboration with anyone else. Just because his name appears in the same sentence does not imply anything else. Why you think you could twist an English-language source to say that is unknown to me.

Ultimately, I don't buy that this subject meets general notability or our criteria for artists. See if you can find someone else that will agree with you. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Chris - I haven't twisted the english language at all if you look at my entry. The New York Times very clearly states: 'Mr. Templer, the son of an auto mechanic from London, began styling for fashion magazines and companies more than 10 years ago and has worked with some of the top photographers, including Steven Meisel and Craig McDean.' As I have sourced.

Then for all other collaborations I have sourced from www.businessoffashion.com/karl-templer as my entry states if you look at it properly.

How you can say someone as renowned in the fashion industry as Karl Templer isn't worthy of a wikipedia page is ludicrous - when he is Creative Director of a notable title like Interview and his colleagues all have Wikipedia pages.

How can I find someone else to agree with me when Wikipedia keeps blocking me??? This is infuriating - I have been working on getting this live for 2 months now.

Also you haven't made clear why sources such as a book published by Rizzoli, which has an entire chapter dedicated to Templer which I have cited is not a reliable source. This makes no sense.

Your recent edits[edit]

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Re: Karl Templer[edit]

Hi there. Regarding your message about the Karl Templer article, I don't have article reviewer rights at this time so I don't have to tools to approve the article. Your best bet is to continue to work on the article to establish notability with reliable sources and wait for a volunteer to approve it. I'm not sure what the wait time on that is as I've always created articles straight away but it shouldn't take more than a week. Sorry I couldn't be of help. Good luck. Pinkadelica ^♣ 18:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at AfC Karl Templer was accepted[edit]

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Samwalton9 (talk) 11:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Good job on learning about references, making your submission into an acceptable article and not giving up.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 13:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]