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Happy Holidays!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2024!

Hello Galobtter, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2024.
Happy editing,

Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor 01:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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Yo Ho Ho

★Trekker (talk) 11:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't understand that it was due to a template, I learnt that 24 hours after thanks to an explanation given to me at the talk page of the article. Either someone is entirely banned of wiki for a certain time, either they are not; or why they are just not allowed to add any comment on a talk page. A refusal of editing (when there was no problem when editing on those articles) goes against freedom of speech. Iennes (talk) 07:19, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 23

counting "reverts"

I spoke to you about this a couple of weeks ago. See User talk:Irtapil # Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion. That thing is resolved, but I want to avoid getting in trouble in future, while also not getting paranoid in ways that make editing more difficult unnecessarily.

The way the person who complained about me was counting the reverts seemed unfair.

I had made a few saves while editing the page, refining my own previous edits. As far as I could tell, nobody was undoing my work in between. To me this seems like it should count as just one revert? The revert thing is supposed to stop edit wars, so modifying my own previous stuff doesn't seem relevant?

But the person who complained pointed to different steps of my edit and called them separate "reverts" (in at least one of those cases the resemblance was coincidental matching to a version I had never seen, but we already covered that not counting).

The way this comes up is, on a couple of pages I'm working on, it looks like a lot of content has been removed, and I think some should be restored.

Without the revert rule, the sensible careful way to do that, which would cause the least problems to other editors, would be to re-add the missing stuff carefully a tiny bit at a time. Checking as I go to make sure the references are good enough, checking the other pages that it links to are right, etc.

It would be easiest to save as I go, for each sentence or table row or other unit of content that seems worthy of restoring. But by the definition the complainant used, this is numerous separate "reverts" and thus forbidden? But this doesn't seem like the point of that role?

I could copy the articles to my user space, carefully re-add things there, and then copy paste my user space version over the live version as one giant mega revert. But for a page that's fairly active, that would mean having to carefully avoid over-writing edits that happened while I was working on it in my user space. Re-integrating the versions seems like creating an extra headache, which might not even be needed if the complainant counting my "save as you go" edits as separate reverts was not the way the rule is supposed to work?

You seemed to have fair and balanced stance on it, so you seemed like a good person to ask.

Irtapil (talk) 04:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Well there is a provision that A series of consecutively saved reverting edits by one user, with no intervening edits by another user, counts as one revert. (at WP:3RR), which makes sense. But if there are intervening edits, how would you distinguish someone making one revert split across multiple edits, or making multiple reverts? The point of WP:3RR or WP:1RR is to be an easy to enforce bright-line rule, so the definition of revert has to be as clear as possible. Galobtter (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Please don't

Please don't revert the comments of the minority opposition in an RFA. I have reverted your action there. Lightburst (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The comments have nothing to do with any legitimate opposition. WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:NPA still apply to RfA. Galobtter (talk) 03:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
There was nothing inappropriate in my opinion. My experience is that these RFAs are consistently sanitized to sideline the opposition. We should not be doing that. The editor who made the post has listed "retired" on their talk page, likely as a result of your attempt to hide their comments. Lightburst (talk) 03:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Your sig

What happened to "pingó mió"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I decided to let go of the exuberances of youth :) Galobtter (talk) 11:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

DOIs

This link is the same as the DOI already linked in the citation (minus the tracking token). WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The link actually seems to include a sharing token that allows me to read the article, while I can't read the article through the DOI link. Galobtter (talk) 04:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
The link seems to be a "sharedit" link which apparently allows open access through that link. Galobtter (talk) 04:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, that introduces a whole layer of complications that I didn't expect. Does putting it into a Wikipedia article count as "for non-commercial, personal use"? I assume that most people would rather be tracked than pay for the article.
Pigsonthewing, do I remember that you know something about open access labels? Or do you have any advice for us about how to handle such links? WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Well it says "non-commercial, personal use" is encouraged, but that "the shareable links can be posted anywhere". I see this article that talks about this confusion. Don't see any issues with using the link though, other than the tracking. Galobtter (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Cat12zu3 ran into a problem with this source. Maybe including a (working) link would be best. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry my bad wording, I meant the link was tied to those organizations that subscribed to the journal according to this SharedIt Information Sheet For Librarians For all journals included in SharedIt, on the webpages of research articles to which your organisation has subscription access, logged-in individuals will see a ‘Share’ or ‘Share article’ option..., so not sure which organization belongs to that tracking ID inside that URL Link to that document, and I'm not sure if's belongs to WikiMedia foundation, otherwise that would probably be freeloading from another organization without their permission. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 03:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Well the point of the share link, as far as I can tell, is to share to people not in the organization, without needing any permissions. Galobtter (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Please unblock user:cewbot

I've changed my settings, please unblock me, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 21:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Kanashimi (talk) 03:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources

Galobtter: are you willing to have a look at Draft Art Venegas and guide me on what has been classified as unreliable sources? OLYMPICHAMMER (talk) 02:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: Please see Wikipedia:Teahouse#Draft Article before replying. This is currently discussed in a lot of places, including my and GoingBatty's talk page. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Per your close of Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 January 2024, I've moved all other pages bearing the title "2023 Israel–Hamas war" to "Israel–Hamas war" except for this one, since it's move-protected. Can you please move it to List of engagements during the Israel–Hamas war? You can delete the temporary redirect I created there. Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus  Done Galobtter (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday

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Topic ban status

What is the status of Salandarianflag's topic ban? If it's still active, this edit looks like a topic ban violation. Maybe they need another reminder. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

It's definitely still active. Galobtter (talk) 13:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I blocked for a week. It seems they have basically been ignoring the topic ban, making many edits related to the Israel-Hamas War etc. Galobtter (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Country: Palestine?

Hi. Me being curious: the Palestinians have had a state declared twice, once by the PLO from Tunisia in the 80s, I believe, and once recently, by the PA, with many, many countries recognising it, but not those who arguably matter most, Israel (the occupier), the US + UK + France (UN SC veto), Germany and most if not all of the EU states. That means: no matter what one wishes for, a State of Palestine doesn't exist, not de facto, and arguably de jure either. Claiming they have one can be somewhere between a joke in poor taste & counterproductive: so what's then the struggle all about.?

So, that being said: how does it make sense to place the illegal Israeli settlement of Beit El in "Country: Palestine", with a nice little flag and all? 'Cause making sense should matter. I'm not talking about stopping or blocking disruptive microstate fans who mistake Wiki for their own private sandbox. I mean making sense and informing the user - the only justification we're sticking around here for.

We have several options: Palestinian territories, Israeli-occupied territories, just West Bank, Area B (or ist it C?) come to mind. I'm certainly not the type to suggest Judea and Samaria, except for indicating the de facto, illegal, Israeli admin. district actually taking care of their needs (the occupation has its territorial tools).

Thank you for clarifying this big question, which never stopped stunning me. It's a 100% honest question. So thanks and keep up the good work! Arminden (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I just reverted as per WP:BANREVERT. I'm taking no stance on the issue hand. Feel free to revert if you think the edit was appropriate. Galobtter (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! But now I'm confused: at Beit El I had already amended your bot's edit, so where else shall I check? 'Cause if you reverted to some opposite POV version, like "Israel 🇮🇱", it's also wrong :)) Can of worms, I know, don't tell me... Arminden (talk) 13:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Tue March 5: Wiki Gala NYC

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Hello Galobtter,

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 20, 2024, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conflict of interest management/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

For the Arbitration Committee,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer

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RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I

Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

  • Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
  • Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
  • Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
  • Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
  • Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
  • Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
  • Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
  • Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
  • Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
  • Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
  • Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
  • Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
  • Proposal 18, initiated by theleekycauldron, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
  • Proposal 24, initiated by SportingFlyer, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
  • Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
  • Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
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New message from ExclusiveEditor

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An editor you gave perms to

@Galobtter, I noticed that you granted perms to a user named Otuọcha on March 4th, 2024.

I have decided to reach out anonymously due to the controversial aspect of this request, but I am asking that you seriously reconsider and investigate this user.

Their edit history indicates that they have made over 4,700 edits in the span of two months, and further the edits show classic signs of gaming Wikipedia's edit system.

1. This "new user" immediately demonstrated knowledge of how to use tools on wikipedia as well as policies. For instance using XFD Closer, Draft moving, and ONE DAY after creating his account, he voted in an AfD with a diff that reads "The page in question clearly did not show any sign of notability. No notable alumni or any significant achievement as a school. Simple put that it fails WP: ORG." This "new user" is not new to Wikipedia at all.

2. The user engages in frequent draftification, tagging, and deletion nominations-- activities that experienced editors typically engage in..

3. This user's edit history indicate frequent periods of a rapid successions of edits. From early edits up until recent, the user has engaged in segmented editing to increase number of edits per subject.

I am also going to tag DanCherek who pointed out edits that were made to game the system on the users talk page.

There is also an SPI that was submitted against the user: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/Otu%E1%BB%8Dcha 172.58.231.31 (talk) 04:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Request new article

Ramkripalyadvg Can you create a page and add it to Wikipedia You can get the material from here Draft:Ramkripalyadavge Muskang375 (talk) 03:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

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Technical news

  • The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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WikiWednesday (April 10) and City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (April 11)

April 10: WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce
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Among the topics, we'll be covering the newly-released drafts of the Movement Charter for Wikimedia global governance.

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April 11: City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon
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Additionally, you are invited to City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon at the New York City College of Technology Library in Downtown Brooklyn! Join us in person on April 11th to learn about these great new materials at City Tech Library; to learn about editing Wikipedia; and to help increase representation of LGBTQIA individuals and issues online. All are welcome, new and experienced!

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  • Thursday, April 11 City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (RSVP on-wiki).
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Galobot Lint Inquiry

Hello, hope you had a wonderful Easter weekend. Messaging you to see if there was any chance your "articles/pages by lint count" bot reports could ignore the new "night-mode-unaware-background-color" non-lint tracking "category" like you did (I assume) for the similar non-lint tracking annoyance category, "Large Tables"? Articles by lint has gotten a bit too fluffy with all top 1000 pages reporting a solid 22+ errors, when they actually only have at most, 2 missing end tags, or are any fresh catches of the day with other errors/more than 2 errors. Same with pages by lint count, but those were still a healthy 42+ errors, so those displaying here are still easy to know which need addressing. Thanks for considering, Zinnober9 (talk) 02:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I second this request. Thanks for taking it on if you have time. If you do not have time, can you please provide the SQL query that generates this report? – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
the queries are at https://github.com/mmiyer/galobot/blob/master/articlesbylintcount.py. I wonder if my report can be replaced with {{Database report}} so it can be easily updated by people as needed. Galobtter (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
oh yeah this can be definitely done by the row_template parameter of it, let me see if i can do this. Galobtter (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Nice. That was my plan if I could get my hands on the query. That new template is a brilliant addition to reporting. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
yeah, I can never remember how to log in to toolforge to update my bot, so this saves me some hassle :) Galobtter (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Zinnober9 @Jonesey95 how's Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Articles by Lint Errors look like now? you can now edit the sql query right on the page so it should be pretty easy to exclude categories as needed - feel free to update the queries to your heart's desire :) Galobtter (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Beautiful, thank you so much! The only odd thing (and I was seeing this the other day as well but thought it might have been a hiccup related to the nightmode addition) is that I'm seeing is the Lint Links on Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Pages by Lint Errors are all going to nonexistant pages like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors?titlesearch=User_talk::Master_of_Puppets/Talk/Archive/Archive20&exactmatch=1
instead of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors&wpNamespaceRestrictions=3&titlesearch=Master+of+Puppets%2FTalk%2FArchive%2FArchive20&exactmatch=1
The Lint links on Wikipedia:Linter/reports/Articles by Lint Errors are still all fine.
Zinnober9 (talk) 10:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I saw the issue but wasn't sure how to fix it, should be fixed now. Galobtter (talk) 14:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Perfect, thank you so much! Zinnober9 (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)