User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 26

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Quick question

Does anyone here know the hex code for reddish-brown? Because I think it might look good on HJ's userpage. Access Denied ^talk_contribs editor review 03:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

What about this one (#A52A2A)? Or perhaps something lighter... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Right now, the text is almost unreadable on HJ's userpage. The background is far too dark, and the text color doesn't work well with the current background. Anyone have a fix? —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 17:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't look too bad to me. We need a lighter colour. Feel free to fiddle around with it until you find one that looks all right. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought the black was better then the current colour. Those collapsible boxes look too bright to me, but then I'm used to (pretty) pastel colours. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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question on a block

Hi - I have a question on this particular user's block - [1]. It appears he made 3 edits only, with only the last one being explicit vandalism, and it seems he got only one warning. Are you sure its grounds for an indef-block? Shiva (Visnu) 19:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

That's a pretty blatant vandalism-only account. The username and the BLP violations are more than enough to justify an indef. (talk page stalker) fixing HJ's sigHJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Shiva (Visnu) 19:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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User page

Your signature looks really bad against the teal background so I'm going to lighten up the background. Is that okay? Mr. R00t ^Talk 20:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I like it how it is. I'm not worried about the signature not looking right. While you're there, though, can you make the background white, but only inside the collapsible boxes. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Mr. R00t ^Talk 20:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't seem to be able to get this right if some tps could help that would be great. I seem to have forgotten the code after my hiatus from Wikipedia. I knew going to camp was a bad idea... Mr. R00t ^Talk 20:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, working on the dropdown menus, there is a problem with the gallery (trippy code, it is), so I might change it and use a different code, so please standby. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Went back to the old picture code (same pictures and text) and it works. Put the dropdown menus in a white background color, and give them a header (feel free to change if needed). :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Neutralhomer: I think he meant for the Background in those boxes to stay the same colour and then the colour behind the actual text to change. I'm going to try something. HJ: If NH did actually do what you wanted say something here. Mr. R00t ^Talk 21:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, my goof if I did it wrong. Easily correctable though, just need to know from HJ. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think my version looks cool though I'm still working to eliminate certain problems. Of course it's up to HJ which version he likes better. Mr. R00t ^Talk 21:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Biggest problem is on a 1024x768 screen, that section is waaay at the bottom and doesn't seem to move when changing width codes. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's supposed to look like this... (screenshot taken on 1680x1050 resolution) Access Denied ^talk_contribs editor review 21:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

That section is "stuck" at the bottom. Plus that code is throwing the boxes and barnstars off and making them teeny tiny. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

AD: I fixed that already. NH: I see that. I dunno what I can tell you to do other than get a bigger screen... I'll fiddle with it until then. :) Mr. R00t ^Talk 21:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It's best viewed on a 1280 x 800 screen. Mr. R00t ^Talk 21:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The collapseboxes are now at the correct size. Access Denied ^talk_contribs editor review 21:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

This is what I am seeing in 1024x768: 1. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest that someone makes that section that's all the way down there a little thinner so it isn't being pushed down by the userboxen. Maybe position:absolute? Mr. R00t ^Talk 22:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Why has the background colour changed again and what on Earth is going on with the boxes and barnstars etc? I only asked you to change the background colour inside the collapsed boxes! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The main background colour is thanks to AccessDenied. We're trying to fix the white part behind the images and barnstars. Mr. R00t ^Talk 22:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

HJ, your bgcolor is fixed and I'm working on the barnstars and pictures

Much as I appreciate the thought, this all started over an unsolicited change to the background colour, which has proven more hassle than it's worth. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Though why'd you protect the page? We're not vandals. Mr. R00t ^Talk 22:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It's nothing against you guys, I love that you fix the fiddly stuff for me, but I like my userpage fairly simple for the most part. It'll expire in an hour, but I've reverted changes to the background colour (not by you) at least 3 times and each time it's changed back. I would appreciate it if you just leave the background, userboxen and the barnstars alone. The rest is fair game gor you to test your markup skills. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Does this mean your user page will stop lighting up my watchlist and the recent changes page? :P - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, every time I look at my watchlist for the last 24 hours, someone is tinkering with HJ's userpage! Courcelles 22:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The background color on the boxes was me. The flag is off center again, but no worries. Sorry if any of my changes upset you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have something pressing for me to do? I'm bored. Mr. R00t ^Talk 22:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

@Root, have a look at CAT:B or WP:GAN or something. @Homer, it's ok, I'm just sleep deprived. I'd appreciate it if you could fix the flag in an hour. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:FLC is backing up again, some reviews would be helpful, many of the lists less than five days old have received no substantual commentary other than a dab and external link check. Courcelles 22:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

@HJ: No worries. :) I will fix the flag when the page comes out of protection. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

MMN

Is there something we can do about MMN? See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Filair plane crash. OK, the article wasn't very well developed when posted, but 20 deaths should be more than enough to establish notability. Mjroots (talk) 20:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Honestly? My only issue with that AfD is that he beat me to it. The editor who created that article prolifically creates crappy, single sentence sub-stubs ad then abandons them. The vast majority end up deleted a week later via PROD or AfD. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, what if someone had put a G1 speedy tag on the initially created article, would you have deleted it, or declined the speedy? I've given the creator a bit of advice about article creation, and shown an example of what I meant. If he doesn't take the advice, then maybe we'll have to look at other measures such as an RFC. I'm going to open up discussion at WP:AIRCRASH to see if we can get an established threshold of a certain number of deaths confers automatic notability. You are welcome to comment there. Mjroots (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Notability#Automatic notability. Mjroots (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. Notability criteria for these kinds of things are very wishy-washy, leading to a lot of AfDs with inconsistent results. I wouldn't have deleted it under A1 (I assume you meant no context, not patent nonsense!) because there was just enough context to escape a speedy. For something like this, though, I would have stretched A1. The trouble with these things is that a lot of editors spring up citing WP:AIRCRASH, but the vast majority (yourself and a few others excepted) have never read it, much less realised that it's an essay, not a policy or a guideline. I'm sick of seeing articles created with nothing more than a headline then abandoned. If the author did that on Wikinews, the article would be deleted after 48 hours. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean about article creation. Suggest that if he creates another inappropriate artcile we would possibly need to go down the {{uw-create}} route, with explanations added in rather than just plain templates. It doesn't take much to bash up a reasonable article to start with, even if it is breaking news. Another avenue is ANI. Mjroots (talk) 21:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Zionist editing classes

Is this something we're just going to let run it's course or should we add stuff to WP:NPOV and WP:COI about not doing stuff like that? I think that it would probably be a good idea to add something to an existing policy or create a new one. Mr. R00t ^Talk 22:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Per Request

I have repositioned the flag so it is directly under the WikiGlobe. Please let me know if you need any other fiddly markup work and I will see what I can do. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Er... Now it's covering the Main Page button. I dunno if this was on purpose or if I'm just viewing in wrong skin. Mr. R00t ^Talk 23:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I am using Monobook, it goofs up in other skins I am told. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I've decided to officially make the switch to monobook (because a lot of scripts only work on it) and I think it looks great. Cheers, Mr. R00t ^Talk 00:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I never liked the new setup they pushed a few months ago. I always liked Monobook. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ping 2

Check your inbox. Connor mah 23:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Replied. Connor mah 00:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Took your time! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Replied again ;) Connor mah 01:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Check the inbox again. Thanks, Connor mah 04:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to send it directly.. Connor mah 04:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Try now. Connor mah 04:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I just sent it. Connor mah 05:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Might I recommend in your pinging fun, {{YGM}}? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't really want to decorate HJ's talk with the template - I only tend to use it once :) Connor mah 05:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

No worries, just wasn't sure if you were aware of it. It is one of the newer templates. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Replied. Connor mah 16:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Replied. Connor mah 17:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

And again. Connor mah 18:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Again, & probably the last for a while, though. Connor mah 18:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I lied. I've replied. Connor mah 18:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

New email :) - thanks. Connor mah 01:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I think I'll give it a go now, on second thought - won't hurt I guess. Connor mah 05:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Check your inbox. Connor mah 18:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Alan Davey (musician) again - more IP blanking

Say there HJ, you asked me to return with a request for more semi-protection if the IP blanker returned... obviously he has, and I do so request. I'll be looking into some SPP investigation in the next day or so. Thanks for your help! Jusdafax 10:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh fun! Looks like he came back as soon as the protection expired. Interesting that nobody else edited while it was protected. You can have a month of semi before I go away for the weekend. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Much obliged - enjoy! Jusdafax 16:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Neighbours

Hellloooo!!! Your talk page stalker is making a comeback! :p

Hopefully I'll be back online properly soon :)

I'm going to ask a favour, could you please keep an extra eye on Neighbours today? It's just announced that after over 20 years on channel 10 it's moving to digital channel 11 in Australia, as you can probably see from the pages history there have already been a number of edits to the page, not all of them helpful.

And hopefully I'll be back online properly on 31 August (dependent on Virgin Media and BT!) --5 albert square (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I echo the above, as I need to pop out for a little while (keep an eye on the infobox in particular, I just had to clean up the mess that someone made). - JuneGloom07 Talk? 12:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Dadivank Monastery

Hey HJ Mitchell! Page mentioned in the header, was protected a couple of months ago by you. A friend of mine, left a message on Talk page, about some misspellings in name/incorrect info currently present in the article. Can you please check it, and make requested edits? Thanks a bunch! --Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen (talk) 13:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Done via {{editrequest}}. --Bsherr (talk) 22:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

2 Bad

Hi HJ. In lieu of an editprotected request, could you consider unprotecting 2 Bad? Perhaps sufficient time has passed since the conflict over the page was last at issue? Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 17:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

See this, as well. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and unprotected it. Apologies if that was unwanted (and feel free to revert). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Dabomb. Nice to know I can take a couple of days off and not worry too much! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Feels good to have tps's for admins eh HJ? ;) Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 20:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Permission Request

How do I apply for the editfilter permission? I can help lots with edit filters such as a possible filter for double wiki markup. I would like to help fill requests at the requested edit filters as well. I am good with the code and read the documentation on the filters and understand it well. I would like to apply for this permission. Joe Gazz84^user•_talk•^contribs•_{Editor Review} 16:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

You have to request it at WT:EF and the folks there will hold a discussion on whether to grant it. Bear in mind that the permission has only been granted to less than a dozen non-admins. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Family Guy (season 8)

It has now been several more days since you have last attempted to copyedit the article. Please let me know whether or not you are planning on continuing your copyedit, as I would much rather attempt to ask someone else than have to wait for more than a week for a copyedit to be performed. I understand you may be busy, but please let me know if you can no longer perform the copyedit, so I can ask another user. Thanks. Gage (talk) 18:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my style is a little slow-moving for your liking. I can't promise speed, but I will be thorough. As you can probably see from the length of this page, I have a lot of other things to juggle. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:TFA/R

Thanks for pushing my to the Non-Specific Date section on TFA/R after I got replaced. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

A Request

Hi HJ,

I'm looking into starting an article on Barstool Sports, a local website. It was deleted as a result of this AFD, and I was wondering if you could undelete into my userspace or email me (wikiguy.dc@gmail.com), the deleted version for a reference. Thanks ~DC _{Let's Vent} 04:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Done—I've restored all revisions from before the AFD deletion to your userspace at User:DC/Barstool Sports. Happy editing, Airplaneman ✈ 03:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 01:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Richard Miniter

Hi, I was just checking this article's history and noticed that there are still a few offending edits that need to be oversighted. I did reply to you on my talk page (rather late admittedly) but you were on a wikibreak at the time so you might have missed it. Smartse (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems to have been done by User:Risker. Let her know if she missed anyway. I'll add it to my watchlist and protect it if it keeps up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I should have made myself clearer, these are older revisions, the content was in the article for a long time before you found it. I'll email you some diffs in a minute. Smartse (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well if it's out of the immediate history, it's not really a big deal, since there's little risk of that version being reverted to. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, ignore the email, I thought you had oversight. AFAIK, if it's oversighted once then they all need to go. I'll try asking Risker. Smartse (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Goodbye

I have a lot on my plate right now, so I've decided to retire from Wikipedia. Since you're an administrator, I would like you to indefinitely full protect my user page, just in case. I might return next summer, but I might not. Until the day I might return, goodbye. The Raptor ^{You rang?}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 13:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Done by Courcelles. Good luck! Airplaneman ✈ 14:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright, everything on my talk page has been archived, with the exception of all of the goodbye notes I've received from other users. Would it be appropriate if you removed my rollback and reviewer rights? I've seen this done with many retired users. The Raptor ^{You rang?}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 17:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. I'm sorry to see you go. You;re an asset to the project and you'll be missed. I hope you'll return when you have a little less on your plate. :( HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The reason I asked is because I'm 80% sure I won't be returning. After this school year I've got another important one, and since it's my last of high school I'll be busy looking into scholarships and things like that. I am very sad to go, but I'll keep in touch with you as much as I can. Regards, The Raptor ^{You rang?}/_{My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions} 17:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Well if you ever feel the compulsion to check up on WP, you'll always be welcome. It's good that you're focused on your education, though. I hope that dedication gets you where you want to go and feel free to email me any time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hiya HJ

George Washington has several issues that need addressing, I'm going to be busy for awhile so I was wondering if you or any other talk page stalker could look at these issues and have them addressed. We have until 7 Sept to fix said issues so it's quite tense. This GA Review by SilkTork was fantastic, I'm surprised he gave us this much time. Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 22:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, even if doesn't make GA this time round, the article will certainly have been improved by the process, which is kind of the point. I will certainly have a look and might put some time into it on bank holiday monday (especially ifwhen it rains!) and see if I can address any of Silk's concerns. If nothing else, I can give it a quick copy edit. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciated HJ, I will try to help where time allows me. Ғяіᴅaз'§Đøøм | Tea and biscuits? 09:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Not quite right

"I know you have a philosophical objection to administrators in general." Actually I don't; I have an objection to the way that the function is implemented here on wikipedia. I also believe that if administrators could be persuaded to keep their cold and clammy hands away from any and every proposal for changes to wikipedia's governance and the allocation of ever-increasing user "rights", then the project would be greatly improved. Malleus Fatuorum 01:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. There's a lot wrong with "The Way Things Work", though I believe there's more still wrong with RfA and, if you don't mind my saying so, I feel you hold to much of what's wrong with "The System" against candidates (not just Connormah). It really needs to be much easier to get rid of "bad" admins. That's the only way we could persuade people that it's "no big deal". Unfortunately, though, the number of active administrators appears to be in decline while RfA standards get ever higher. Whatever you may think of those who wield them, the tools are bloody useful. As for "rights", well, I personally feel they have their uses and if we can't have more administrators or if trustworthy people won't get through an RfA for "political" reasons (such as your own RfAs), then we need to be delegating more of these abilities to people who know how to use them but aren't trusted with the full set. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I freely admit that my own failed RfAs jaundiced my view of that bear pit. Nevertheless, until a proper system for the removal of administrators materialises then I will continue to oppose any candidate I have even the slightest doubt about.

But surely you can't be 100% certain about any candidate. There's no way of knowing what they're going to do with the bit once they get it. I fully agree that we need a better way to get rid of "bad" admins, but because of office politics , that's unlikely to come round any time soon, so what we're left with an ever-decreasing number of active admins (if going by admin actions rather than edits, there are probably only around 200) versus ever-increasing RfA standards, meaning that I'm one of only nine admins to have been editing for less than 2 years. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting, HJ. In what sense were MF's two RfAs "political"? --John (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this another of your attempts to start a fight John? Malleus Fatuorum 02:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

couple of things

i just posted another nominee with a source, description and mention of more info from the template box. Is this good enough?

Also I had created an article i think a year ago, which was deleted quickly without discussion or tags for improval. I was wondering if its possible to get that page back (the info) and then improve it. India – Syria relations

=-ThxLihaas (talk) 03:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

That should be fine, as long as other people at ITN/C know what you're talking about. As for the article, I'm afraid I can't restore it because it was deleted as a copyright violation, but the website it was copied from is in the deletion log if you want to refer to that. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Eugene Simion 14

I've put a pretty clear warning on his talk page. The next step is ANI, which is where MMN will be heading once the current AfDs he started have expired. Mjroots (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The problem is not so much that he creates ten-word sub stubs, but that he writes articles on non-notable events, hence the deluge of AfD notices on his talk page. I'm not sure how ANI will help, though. Nor am I sure what you'd accomplish by hauling Mick off to ANI. It would be unfair to single him out when I count at least 4 or 5 editors (including myself) AfD'ing his articles. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the issue with ES is more a case of what some editor think of as notable and what he thinks of notable are two different things. As I said to him earlier, the better developed an article is when created, the easier it is to assert that notability.

The issue with MMN is not his nomination of articles for deletion. He is quite within his rights to nominate an article for deletion and state why he believes the article should be deleted. The issue that I will be raising is his constant harrassment of any editor who votes to keep an article that he has nominated for deletion. There is no need for it. If he makes a good nomination, other editors will back the nomination. If he makes a bad nomination in good faitn (not a punishable offence), then other editors will oppose the deletion and give reasons why the article should be kept. They should be able to do so without fear of harrassment. Mjroots (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Well the trouble seems to be that they are all ending up at AfD and almost all being deleted—for example, what's notable about a minor earthquake in an area where they're quite common that killed three people? He doesn't seem to realise that merely happening does not make something notable. As for Mick, well, if people didn't rise to it, there wouldn't be an argument, but, in my experience, closing admins know how to separate the wheat from chaff. I've yet to have the pleasure of closing one of his AfDs myself, but there are many other editors who behave similarly in AfDs. The best thing to do is leave it for the closer. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm well aware that closing admins are able to sort the wheat from the chaff, and am confident that the right decisions will be made at least 98% of the time. For the occasional wrong decision there is always DRV. I'm also aware that there may well be other editors who engage in the practice which I will be raising at ANI. Maybe by raising the issue, and getting some kind of restriction imposed, a precedent can be set that can be used to deal with those other editors who harrass those who don't share their view, whether for or against deletion. Mjroots (talk) 16:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Closing an ANI Discussion

Hi,

I noticed that you officially closed this discussion:

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive633#User:MickMacNee_at_WP:ITN

Which was immediately above this discussion:

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive633#Canvassing_votes

I know that the "Canvassing Votes" discussion constitutes a very different situation, but it is entirely evident that the only editor who feels that Mariordo has engaged in unfair canvassing is his accuser, OSX. Is there a way to officially end the "Canvassing Votes" discussion and clear Mariordo's good name? Many thanks. Ebikeguy (talk) 15:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

There's not really much to be done. Since the discussion is archived, it is closed since nobody should be editing the archives. I closed the discussion above it while it was still on ANI. It was moved into the archive by a bot later. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks. If someone does edit the archives, would it be appropriate for me to respond by saying the discussion is closed? Ebikeguy (talk) 16:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The archives shouldn't be edited at all by anyone. They're just a record of previous discussions, so the only edits should be by the bot copying discussions from ANI into the archives. If anybody does edit them, they should be reverted and informed that archives must not be edited. If anybody wants to continue the discussion, they should start a new thread on ANI. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Re-wording of lead section of The Bill

Hey HJ

Thought I would bring this up with you just now as I just know that the lead section of The Bill is going to change come Tuesday when it's final episode airs.

At the minute it currently reads" The Bill is Britain's longest running police procedural television series, unusual among police dramas in that its focus is on the lives and work of one shift of police officers, rather than on any particular aspect of police work."

What do you reckon to changing it to:

"The Bill was a British police procedural television series, unusual among police dramas in that its focus is on the lives and work of one shift of police officers, rather than on any particular aspect of police work. It is Britain's longest running police procedural drama."?

It's just I think re-wording it like that might make the article clearer once the final episode has aired? If you think that this is ok then I'm going to post this suggestion on the talk page but make it clear that it must not be changed to read this until the episode has aired. I might even add a hidden comment in the article regarding this --5 albert square (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

It's a funny one, but I think we should keep "is", since it doesn't stop being a TV series just because it's not being made nay more. We'll have to make quite a few changes once it ends, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

It is isn't it? OK I'll add a hidden comment then asking people to leave as is when the final episode airs. By the way I think I have found some more award nominations for the programme, I came across them accidentally before! --5 albert square (talk) 20:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. Well found, add 'em to the list. Once the list is up-to-date, I think it could make FL with a little polishing (and a little help from June and Courcelles). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's trying to find it again now! Was sure I'd saved it before, obviously not. Never mind I know all the usual places to look, NTA website etc. If it's there I'll find it :) --5 albert square (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello there

Sorry to bother you good sir, but could I possibly request you go onto facebook? Re: Living situation etc. Pippin0490 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2010 (GMT)

Move war at 2010 Copiapó mining accident

OK, I've got enough of this. The article I created as 2010 Copiapó mining accident has been moved thrice (not including 2 reverts made by me) without discussion, that was supposed to be taking place in the talk page. Chile mining accident is just as undescriptive as saying "War in Earth", or "Power outage in Mars", but not saying the specific place. What do you suggest? Diego Grez (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

<sigh>. I've move-protected it to put an end to the move war. I suggest you make your case on the talk page and see what others say. You might like to ask for a third opinion if you need more input. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I started a discussion here, to put an end to this nonsense :) Diego Grez (talk) 20:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Request

Please completely censor "diff was here" (including the username). /Hey Mid (contributions) 20:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Is that allowed per policy? If so, please enlighten me :). Airplaneman ✈ 20:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Nope. RevDel isn't there to cover up stupid edits that could get you blocked, it's for serious abuse. Try to think before you click save in future. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. I understand. /Hey Mid (contributions) 21:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Mandsford RFA

I agree that his answers are plain wrong but I doubt he's going to do CSD work, if anything I would train him, and you know my speciallty was AFDs and CSDs when I was an admin. Secret ^account 21:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm still a little troubled, especially by not being able to recognise what could potentially have been a serious BLP violation. I've a lot of respect for him, though, so I promise I'll re-evaluate things before it closes. Thanks for the note. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I asked him a question about recall, maybe that would make you less troubled. Secret ^account 21:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

He replied to my question about recall Secret ^account 01:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Carey Mulligan

"there's no source *here*, but it's sourced in List of accolades received by An Education(an FL), so they can be grabbed from there"

Is that according to some policy? Shouldn't the information also be sourced at that article where it is being presented? If it's according to policy, that's fine, but I would think the information would need to be cited where it is being used. Chickenmonkey 23:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

You're right.... but why not just go to the FL, and grab the sources, and cut/paste them into Carey Mulligan instead of reverting? Courcelles 23:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

{edit conflict) Because I wasn't aware they are cited at List of accolades received by An Education (as HJ mentions in the edit conflict below), and I wasn't adding the information to the article; therefore, it didn't fall on me to cite it. I haven't reverted it since being made aware it was cited at List of accolades received by An Education. Chickenmonkey 23:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

That's what I meant. It's not sourced right there and you understandably reverted, but the same information is sourced on another article (unbeknownst to you at the time), so the sources can be copied from there and it's not unverifiable or OR or anything nasty like that, so it doesn't need to be removed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. Chickenmonkey 23:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Stephens City, Virginia

You might want to ask some folks at Commons to protect the images that are used in the page, all of which are hosted at Commons. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Why? Only images that are used on the Main Page need to be protected and they're uploaded locally anyway. The article itself is only move protected, which is SOP for TFAs. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Oooh, I thought all the images that were used in the article were protected. My goof. Then the only image that need be protected is the image at the top in the infobox, which I used in the blurb. If you or another admin want to do that, feel free. That is also hosted at Commons. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

That will be taken care of closer to the time. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. TFA newbie, I am learning though. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to update you, the TFA has been moved from August 31st to September 5th. Would have worked better on the 31st, but oh well. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Have faith, my friend! I work through this, move-protecting the scheduled TFAs. Everyone knows what they're doing, so stop panicking and make sure the article looks its best! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not panicking, just making you aware. It threw me off when I seen it had moved, cause I had posted to Facebook and emailed a couple people, so I had to update all of that. Didn't want it to throw you off too. :) No worries, I am loving life right now. The culmination of 2 1/2 years of work is over, so I am happy. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: My RFA

Thanks. I'll definitely stick around for sure, I haven't left since I started in 2005, and will definitely give adminship another go in about 6 months since this one doesn't look to promising. T (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

YGM

Hello, HJ Mitchell. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Check your inbox again. Connor mah 17:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Again. Connor mah 17:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Again. Connor mah 18:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Again - is it really necessary for me to do this, BTW? Connor mah 18:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Emailed. Connor mah 16:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Check your inbox. Connor mah 23:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Check it again :) Connor mah 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Need a helpful stalker

Could one of my stalkers please look at List of awards and nominations received by The Bill and tell me what the hell is wrong with ref 17? Much obliged, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Checking... - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Fixed, was missing a bracket. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I love how you can call on your stalkers like that. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 11:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do, too! They're incredibly useful at times! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Unsure!

Hi, sorry to disturb you. Can you check out the change dated 12.41 30/08/2010 to the Adam Weishaupt article as it appears to be a possible small case of vandalism (or stupidity)? Thanks in advance. Denisarona (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I reverted it. I don't know about vandalism, but it wasn't helpful—it broke a template and removed the == from a section header. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Denisarona (talk) 13:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and cookie

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Thanks for the barnstar! Salvio ^{Let's talk 'bout it!} 16:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You;re welcome, and thanks for the snack! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for noticing me when things go wrong (or too fast). I'm glad I found you and will continue to appreciate your work here.

Good luck! /Hey Mid (contributions) 18:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Vin Diesel: pending changes trial is complete

It was a two-month trial. Funny thing about a two-month long trial: they last two months, and then stop until people decide whether the trial succeeded. They don't just linger on forever, becoming a fait accompli. I'm not disruptively searching these things out while people dither about what to do, but if one pops up on my watchlist asking me to confirm a change, I deal with the change and then switch the article to unprotected or semi-protected based on my assessment of the situation.—Kww(talk) 20:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but, according to WP:PC, "consensus is now being established for its continued use beyond the trial, the tool is still active on all Pending Changes protected articles" which, to me, suggests that PC shouldn't be removed from articles until and unless the outcome of the discussion is to discontinue it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Then they should have gotten approval for an indefinite-length trial with a discussion at the two-month point, not a two-month trial.—Kww(talk) 21:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Family Guy copyedit

Can you please Copy edit Family Guy as i am trying to get it to an FA status and stranded so your help would really helpful. --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 20:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to have a look. It's certainly a deserving topic for FA status! ;) I've got quite a bit on at the minute, though, so it could be a few days before I can get round to it. Hope that works for you. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?

Works perfectly thank you ;) --Pedro J. ^{the rookie} 21:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Zupansmarkets

My first noticing of a WP:U violation, any other courses of action? I have seen some promotional accounts blocked, but I'd like to know what else to do. Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 00:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Leave me a talkback if you can please. Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 00:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Blocked for the username violation (see template:softerblock). You can report usernames like that to WP:UAA for admins to deal with. They're usually blocked, but whether they get a softerblock or a Template:spamusernameblock depends on their edits. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Got it.

Thank you Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 00:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The Bill

Hello HJ!

Your talk page stalker now has internet reconnected! :p

I was just editing The Bill just now and I notice that it says that anonymous IPs can't edit it but this was due to expire on 25 August. However the template would still seem to be there? Have you forgotten to remove this or is it still there deliberately because the series is so high profile at the moment with it's imminent ending? --5 albert square (talk) 22:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, if it's got a protection template on it but it's not actually protected, a bot will come along and remove it shortly (or you can do it yourself). I protected it for a short while because there were a few IPs making a nuisance of themselves (unsourced crap and plain vandalism). Now you have your internet back, I need your help with something The Bill related—I moved List of Awards of The Bill to List of awards and nominations received by The Bill and tidied it up a little bit, but it could do with some work. You fancy looking for some more awards? It hasn't been updated for months. Btw, you're not my only talk page stalker. I seem to have acquired 183 of them! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah that's ok, I will let the bot do it's work :)

Yup I will have a look tomorrow as I'm going to be on Wikipedia anyway cleaning up Callum Stone's article. I'm not entirely sure that the screenshot there is of Callum Stone. It's definitely Sam Callis, no doubt about that but I think that's of him in his previous role as Adam Benjamin in Londons Burning! Either way I've taken some screenshots tonight of the character which I'm going to fiddle about with tomorrow and then hopefully upload and tinker about with the article. I'll look at The Bill's awards at the same time. Apparently ITV are screening a farewell programme for The Bill on Tuesday night, going to try and watch it, there might be some useful stuff mentioned to add to the article! --5 albert square (talk) 23:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know, that's the list now updated :) --5 albert square (talk) 22:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey HJ

Me again!

I was looking up something else for The Bill earlier, came across this interview with one of the programme writers. Don't know if this is of any use in the article? It's about The Bill's impending axing --5 albert square (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Could be. I'll look later. I'm trying to polish the awards list at the minute. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Check the awards talk page. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Are you looking forward to some good old-fashioned Wikipedia reverting once the final episode airs? :p --5 albert square (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Nah, you can do it old school, I'll just get the banhammer out! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that The Bill's lead is different (Neighbours' is now bigger). When did that happen? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 19:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah one of the sysops trimmed it earlier :) --5 albert square (talk) 19:22, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Haha would you believe it that me and you tried to add major edit templates to the page at the same time? No wonder it got confused and didn't add either! You beat me to it! Did you watch the last episode? I did, got upset at the end :( --5 albert square (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

No, I've recorded it, though. Why do people insist on ignoring hidden notes? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

(undent) I've no idea, that was the whole point of putting the hidden comment so I didn't have to say anything in an edit summary and revert countless edits lol. By the way, the second paragraph is saying that it "is was" produced by Talkback Thames. Can you not make your mind up lol?! --5 albert square (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It is a TV series, but it is no longer being produced! ;) Btw, can you add a short paragraph to the history section about the last episode. I'll try to find some reaction on Google news so we have something for ITN if it goes up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Can we still say in the lead that it's Britain's or United Kingdom's longest running police procedural? It still is. I will add something about the last ep but I'll do it after the documentary in case that has anything else useful --5 albert square (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)