User talk:LemonJuiceIsSour

This is the user talk page for LemonJuiceIsSour. Remember these guidelines (written by Hurricane Clyde)) when making Saturn article (to myslef and others);

• The tropical cyclone or remnants thereof is expected to make landfall and has the potential to cause damaging impacts on land. (Examples: Hurricane Kirk (2024) or Hurricane Helene)

• The tropical cyclone is NOT expected to make landfall but will be close enough to bring damaging impacts to land (eg: high winds or flooding rains) (Example: Hurricane Hone (2024))

• The tropical cyclone does NOT pose a significant threat to land but has been or will likely be designated a category 5 (or very high end category 4) hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale with winds of at least 150 mph. (Example: Hurricane Lorenzo (2019))

• In the case of tropical cyclones that don’t pose a threat to land; and are outside the NHC area of responsibility: it should be designated either a “super typhoon” by the JTWC; or the highest tropical cyclone category on its respective scale; or it should be estimated by the JTWC to be the equivalent of a category 5 hurricane, or a high end category 4 with at least 150 mph (1 minute) sustained winds.

• Tropical cyclones that stay in open sea but still resulted in significant fatalities (eg: resulted in a shipwreck or a place crash for instance). Note that this does NOT include deaths due to high surf. (Example: Hurricane Joaquin’s offshore death toll)

• Tropical cyclones that don’t meet the above criteria if they are notable in another way such as for breaking a meteorological record for instance (Examples: Hurricane Alex (2016) formed in January; or Hurricane Vince (2005) first storm on record to impact the Iberian Peninsula)

Also note that not every storm meeting the above criteria will qualify for an article. (Eg: Hurricane Kristy 2024) but it is a good starting point for determining whether or not a draft should be created.

Hurricane Kirk (2024) moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Hurricane Kirk (2024). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Just a random Wikipedian^(talk) 23:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Kirk

Hello I’m IrishSurfer21 a fellow editor on Wikipedia. I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, but not everything meets the notability guidelines for an article. You have removed a redirect for Hurricane Kirk (2024) to create an article for this storm. I appreciate your edits but unfortunately it does not meet any notability criteria for a separate article as this storm has not caused any deaths or damage, nor has it broken any significant record. Next time, it would be helpful if you consulted other editors on the season talk page before making an article that does not immediately meet notability criteria. Thank you!IrishSurfer21 (talk) 23:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems another editor covered most of my points right around the time I posted my message on your talk page. Ignore most of my post above, except remember to consult the season talk page before making a separate article for individual tropical cyclones.IrishSurfer21 (talk) 23:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

It is currently a draft, and also, thanks for your advice! HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hurricane Kirk (2024) (October 3)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by JalenBarks was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HurricaneKirk2024! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

How can I extend it? I truly do need your advice! HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Well @HurricaneKirk2024, that is kind of a moot point now; because it was eventually accepted after Kirk’s remnants caused significant damage in Western Europe. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

But in the future; you should probably wait on drafting articles related to tropical cyclones way out in the open ocean until you know that they are (or very likely beyond the reasonable doubt will) cause significant notable impacts somewhere; or until they attain category 5 intensity. Because there is a thing called WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON which would both be great topics for you to read on. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The NHC has predicted that it may hit the Caribbean. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Still WP:TOOSOON wait till it actually develops into a tropical depression first. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I’d say the better expert to ask, once a tropical depression does form would probably be Sir MemeGod as he is an AFC reviewer. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

it’s still a draft though… the outcome is still not evident. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

(I’m talking about AL94 here btw) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm jumping in to echo the advice given above, "you should probably wait on drafting articles related to tropical cyclones way out in the open ocean until you know that they are (or very likely beyond the reasonable doubt will) cause significant notable impacts somewhere; or until they attain category 5 intensity." and "drafts should wait till [a disturbance / invest] actually develops into a tropical depression first." If you wish, you can do prep work in your sandbox, as opposed to creating a user-subpage for a disturbance / invest, so that it can easily be deleted or incorporated into a draft or the season article at the appropriate time. Also, refrain from creating a draft for a disturbance / invest, as it is definitely WP:TOOSOON to do so. Drdpw (talk) 21:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

so, should I move it to my sandbox until then? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and blank the invest subpage for speedy deletion. Drdpw (talk) 22:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

ok, thanks Drdpw! HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hurricane Kirk (2024) (October 3)

Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reasons left by JalenBarks were: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: We also cannot accept drafts written with a large language model.

Jalen Barks (Woof) 03:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I do want to point out @JalenBarks that Hurricane Kirk did eventually cause sufficiently notable impacts in Western Europe, albeit as a remnant low. And Sir MemeGod did eventually reevaluate and accept the submission after extensive modifications. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I am agreeing with Hurricane Clyde here. Kirk did actually do much damage and even caused deaths in Europe. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Overtrout

Sizzle! The trout you used to slap another Wikipedian has been gutted, roasted over the coals, and served with tartar sauce. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that, just like the trout in this picture, you have overused your {{trout}}.

I know you contribute in good faith, but I truly advise you to stop trouting people that disagree with your positions, especially when they're only doing so to comply with Wikipedia content policies. Doing so can be interpreted as a personal attack and should be avoided. Thank you. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Overtrout? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 14:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Here you trouted WeatherWriter, who had no interaction with you or indeed any on-wiki activity at all since you registered.

Here you trouted Sir MemeGod for no clear reason.

Here you trouted Sir MemeGod again, literally four minutes later, for accusing you of sockpuppetry, and then proceeded to brag about it.

And finally, here, you trouted Hurricane Clyde for no clear reason.

Per WP:TROUT, trouting isn't something done at random for no reason; it's done as a humourous and friendly way to send a message to another editor that they've made a mistake. I can't see what mistakes these editors had made, and trouting for literally no reason is not appreciated.

If you would like to interact with others positively, there are plenty of WikiLove templates you can give them if you want to show your appreciation towards their contributions to the site. See Wikipedia:WikiLove for that. At the bottom of the page are a list of templates that can be shown to other users that are likely to be appreciated more than the trout template. Thank you. GeorgeMemulous (talk) GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I do want to politely add that barnstars can be overused too. Go easy on them because you can dilute their importance when doing that. Especially ones like “Defender of the Wiki”. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

it seems like everything is overused :| HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

can you help me on a article btw? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I've seen the articles you've created so far, and notice a lot fail WP:GNG, the guidelines for notability, as they are now (though I believe Fourteen may need its own article soon, once it develops). However, you can still practice in draft or user namespace. If you point me towards a draft you created, I can give feedback on what should be improved about it. To create a page in userspace, go to User:HurricaneKirk2024/exampledraft and create the page from there. You can easily find this through the search function by clicking on the red link that appears at the top of the search page. Please also note that userspace drafts should only be made in your userspace, i.e. User:HurricaneKirk2024/example. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:19, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The article for Helene was created when it was lierally Tropical Depression Nine. I think it needs an article now so we can get a live view of the timeline of Hurricane Milton. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not a problem. Assuming nobody beats you to it, if you have a sufficient quality draft, you can move it to article space under the appropriate title when the system does become notable enough to have an article. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

yeah I think I’ll wait to make it an article until it dissipates HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Some tropical cyclones (like Hurricane Helene for instance) are worthy of an article well before it dissipates. If you’re referring to Kirk; that storm is headed along quite honestly the least impactful track that a hurricane could take in the Atlantic Ocean. No direct threats to any land. So it might not be worthy of an article at all; but that said, it would certainly be worthy of a mention in 2024 Atlantic hurricane season. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

If you’re referring to TD-Fourteen; it will probably be worthy of an article; but let’s wait until Milton forms first before we create an article. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

yeah I know Kirk is gonna be iffy; I’m talking abt TD 14 HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Just make sure no one ain’t already created it under Draft:Hurricane Milton (2024) or Draft:Tropical Storm Milton (2024) before beginning. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

You really ought to stop attempting to create new articles until you get a better feel of how Wikipedia works. At the very minimum please ask on the season talk page before making articles on storms, because it is not a great use of your time to make articles only to have them merged or deleted. Generally, articles are only created when it's certain the storm in question will be high impact. That might be very early for some storms, generally those explicitly predicted to be intense and directly landfalling in a highly populated area. For most storms, it is much later, if at all. Also, I echo what others in this section say: do not overuse trouting. Since you are a pretty new editor, you should not dive into community things like that until you are more familiar with general expectations and customs of the community.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I just might quit Wikipedia :| HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 21:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Milton though probably deserves an article. And it probably won’t be too much longer before that draft gets published. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

And to add to what @Jasper Deng said. I’ve been a registered Wikipedian for four months now; I’ve edited for eleven months. And in the four months I’ve had this account; I’ve only published two articles. My advice would be to start with something like redirects; just because it isn’t worthy of an article doesn’t mean it can’t have a redirect. I’ve created probably a hundred or more redirects. They’re very simple. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! I really do like seeing posts on how to improve. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 05:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Moving the talk here

Let’s just move the talk here’s also yes you can work on TD14. JAFactsDude (talk) 14:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

can you move Draft:Invest 92L (2024) to Draft:Tropical Depression 14 (2024) for me pls? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

do not copy and paste btw HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

then what do you want me to do… JAFactsDude (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ll work on your Infobox for TD14 rn JAFactsDude (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Thx HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Also I think someone else is already making one for tropical depression 14 JAFactsDude (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah just make the article, idc yet HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I requested a merge later HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know how to merge JAFactsDude (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Just make the article, ok? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Make the basis, and I’ll build onto it. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Also if that was you editing my article a few minutes ago, the meteorological history needs to be written better and also longer JAFactsDude (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

if you have problems, just undo it. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@JAFactsDude; @HurricaneKirk2024, there is already a draft on Draft:Tropical Depression Fourteen (2024), that one is the most likely to get nominated for creation. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Why? It’s like all my creations are bad. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

No, not saying that. I’m saying your creation was a duplicate to one already made. It happens sometimes. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

mine was the original though (Invest 92L) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Just take this

	I'm a Florida Man and I fly during hurricanes
	Hurricane Hurricane Hurricane Hurricane TheFloridaMan (talk) 20:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Let the wind take you by xD HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, then, if you wish to do so, respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lokicat3345. Thank you. Insendieum🎻 (Talk) 19:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Insendieum: you do realize this is @HurricaneKirk2024‘s second sockpuppet accusation in about 48 hours, right? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 07:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

And the first accusation turned out to be false. And while I’m no administrator or SPI expert or anything like that; I don’t have any reason to think that @HurricaneKirk2024 is anything more than a new editor with a goal of creating articles. To think Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 07:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I realise this now if I look more into it. @HurricaneKirk2024I sincerely apologize for this. I didn’t think it was normal for a new editor to go into making articles, and I confused you with a sockmaster. Insendieum🎻 (Talk) 19:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Insendieum, both SPIs have been closed as of this morning. Kirk ain’t a sockpuppet. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. While we appreciate that you enjoy using Wikipedia, please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a social network. Wikipedia is not a place to socialize or write things that are not directly related to improving the encyclopedia, as you did at User talk:HurricaneKirk2024. Off-topic material may be deleted at any time. We're sorry if this message has discouraged you from editing here, but the ultimate goal of this website is to build an encyclopedia. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Question: Do you serve hamburgers? (Just kidding, I meant to talk about if I could choose to make something on my sandbox that might not go forward with policy, and I want to know if it’s viable with the poki at or not.) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

(policy, not poki) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from using talk pages for general discussion of this or other topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See the talk page guidelines for more information. Thank you. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are expected to treat each other with respect and civility. On this encyclopedia project, editors assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not appear to do at Talk:Hurricane Kristy (2024). Here is Wikipedia's welcome page, and it is hoped that you will assume the good faith of other editors and continue to help us improve Wikipedia! I know you're trying to side with another person's opinions here, but repeatedly stating "exactly" isn't particularly helpful especially amongst the opposing opinions in merging the article. I'll also echo what Dylan620 said there as well: Wikipedia is not a battleground, nor to hold any grudges over an opinion you necessarily do not agree with. Thanks, ~ Tails Wx 03:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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You might also consider having someone be your mentor and they can help you a little more. (Don’t ask me to do it, I’m not really good at that sort of thing). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 05:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Another page that I think would be of interest to you that isn’t on here would be the “What Wikipedia is not” page. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 05:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

yay I finally get my cookies :D HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 12:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

to the past me, I know you would be through a lot. But as the future me will tell you, you’ll have to be more serious. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Mind if you remove your note please

I now clear stated that I live in Florida doing my own thing. Thank you. HurricaneMilton2024 (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@HurricaneMilton2024, might I ask what note you’re referring to? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The impersonation note since I now stated in my user page again that im a florida man in contrast to whoever this guy is that people confused me with. HurricaneMilton2024 (talk) 10:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I don’t see anything wrong with this Kirk guy leaving the note up until the SPI is over; he’s only trying to defend himself. Although it probably would be a good idea to remove the note once the SPIs have been closed. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

ok I will do that. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 16:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

But @HurricaneMilton2024; if Kirk removes his note; you aught to remove yours too. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, i see that you don’t have the “confused with this guy” statement. So just ignore my ping. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

so confused here 🤪 HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 17:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Was talking to the Milton guy. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Done HurricaneMilton2024 (talk) 18:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Now this message here is for both of you (including @HurricaneMilton2024): NEVER put on your user page that you are “not so and so’s sockpuppet”, because that WILL invite sockpuppetry accusations; the only acception is if you are operating a legitimate alternate account (which neither of you should be doing right now). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

exception* HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I want to very strongly clarify, you should NOT be trying to operate an alternate account right now. You have no legitimate reason of doing so right now. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Don’t worry, I don’t have one. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

hey, I am just wondering if this page (one of my subpages, User:HurricaneKirk2024/info box sandbox#Seasonal summary), is fine with the guidelines of Wikipedia. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

As @Hurricanehink just explained to you. It probably isn’t a good idea to use fake hurricane seasons. If you’re trying to test something, a better idea that doesn’t run afoul with the guidelines would be to use a past hurricane season such as the 2005 or 2020 hurricane season (as an example, it could be any past season in any basin, so long as it is a real hurricane season). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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No need to ask for permission, feel free to add your name here! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Happy editing! JayTee⛈️ 16:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Fake season warning

Hey there, just a heads up, you can't make test pages like these for fake seasons. You don't own pages on Wikipedia, even if they're a sandbox. User pages can be for the purposes of making new articles, but not for fake seasons. Would you like me to delete the page for you before someone else deletes it? If you want proof that you're not allowed, please see here, here, or here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I was actually about to tell you about it. If you’re testing it with the sandbox; a better alternative might be to use a particularly active past season; such as the 2005 or 2020 seasons. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ve got you started on the real hurricane season. You can finish it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Hurricanehink, I’d like him to read this; I have fixed the chart to where it is within guidelines. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 17:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Quick question: as this is clearly a test sandbox page with no indication it'll be moved to mainspace, shouldn't it be allowed per WP:UPYES? The three examples you listed were an abandoned userspace draft and two arrays of articles, neither of which are comparable to a single infobox on an otherwise blank page. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, @Hurricane Clyde, I would suggest not editing another person's userspace page without getting their permission based off of a perceived notion that they had broken a policy. From my perspective it's unclear and leaning on not breaking any policy at all. See also WP:NOBAN. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Still though; if it’s an editing test; My advice would be to edit based on a real hurricane season; doesn’t strictly have to be the same basin; it could be both the Atlantic and Pacific seasons on the game box. But I would strongly advise against fake seasons.

Like for instance, on my template sandbox; I have been testing user boxes out; and I have a rollback/pending changes box on there that is purposely set to 2099 (75 years in the future) because I’m testing the template out to see what it looks like. And no, I am not a rollbacker or pending changes reviewer (there is a disclaimer stating that it is an editing test). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Also @GeorgeMemulous, neither of us have been here any longer than two years. You only have 1,900 edits; I only have 2,300. @Hurricanehink is an administrator who has been on here nearly 20 years; and has 61,000 edits. He’s got way more experience than you; and he said that Kirk shouldn’t be putting fake seasons/storms in a sandbox. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

GeorgeMemulous (talk · contribs) - if there is no indication a page will ever be in mainspace, and it isn't serving any productive edits toward Wikipedia as a whole but to speculate about fake storms, then no, that isn't allowed, per those previous MFD's. A lot of users over the years have done similar projects, which is why I brought up the hypothetical hurricanes wiki page. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't WP:NDRAFT apply here? It's more or less a userspace draft and more of a sandbox even then. So what if it's all speculation? The fact is it's a simple userspace page used to test a template and I feel as a whole this is a very official and WP:BITEy response to what was hardly a problem in the first place. A good quote I found from there:

Userspace is a scratch pad for the person who has it. Unless a page (of any kind) in userspace is either an attack or blatant advertising, there's not much reason to mess with it.

It's a sandbox and will be forgotten and will be deleted automatically under G13 in 6 months. It doesn't explicitly target or personally attack anyone, nor spread any sort of (actual and believeable) hoax, nor is it a clear violation of NOTFILEHOST as a single infobox.

I know I'm a less experienced editor than an administrator, but I can't help but think this is a far-overblown response to a harmless page that otherwise would go more or less completely unnoticed, to an editor that has already shown they've been partially demotivated from editing Wikipedia. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:22, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

What we need to do instead of criticizing every single little thing; shouldn’t we maybe politely show him the right way to do it? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 20:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

(And I’ve been more demotivated, thank you.) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Well you’re certainly not being demotivated by me @HurricaneKirk2024; you’re just learning. We all make mistakes. I was in your position once; in the not too distant past. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ve made plenty of mistakes here. All we can do is learn from them; and try to do better the next time. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Yea that's fine, as long as it's not about fake hurricane seasons. There's a whole website for hypothetical hurricanes, we don't need that on this website that covers actual real events (as I have to remind users every now and then). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

HK2024, the fake hurricane tables in your primary sandbox appear to run afoul of policy as well. Drdpw (talk) 18:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ve looked. The only thing that majorly ran afoul was the fake 2025 summary (I have since blanked that one out); and some minor issues on the 2024 (Milton pegged as a hypothetical category 6 hurricane); but other than that, that particular sandbox is salvageable. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Another thing; if you’re just trying to test the system out. You might try using obvious test names such as Test1, Test2, etc. And then remove the tests once you’re done. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Just like with me; I test userbox templates that don’t apply to me, but I purposely construe the date on the box to a date way out in the future (and I have a disclaimer saying that I DON’T hold those permissions highlighted); I have those templates up though mainly as a bookmark in case I ever end up with rollback rights or pending changes rights in the future. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe provide information on both the Atlantic and Pacific basins (or even all worldwide basins) in the same table; if you’re just testing it out. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:46, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Those info boxes were based of some of my drawings I was doing. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

ok, so I cannot alter reality. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

but I don’t wanna join that website? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Good, you're interested in this reality then. That's good, there's enough misinformation out there, we need people who actually want to write about what's actually happened. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Some advice, and a smile, for you!

Hello HurricaneKirk2024, ChrisWx has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I saw that you said you felt demotivated from editing Wikipedia. I'm sorry that you feel that way, but just know that things will get better. My best advice to you is to take the advice that other editors give you and learn from it so you can improve, and look over some of the policies in the topics you edit in, like the WikiProjects on Weather and Tropical cyclones and their respective subpages and guidelines, so you can get a better understanding of the rules when editing here. I also suggest that you, @Hurricane Clyde and GeorgeMemulous: who I think could use this point of guidance as well: look over this guideline and not make high amounts of comments on talk pages, just simply look over the discussion and get an idea of what consensus is for when you edit, and just voice your opinion with a comment or two if there's any discussions which call for different opinions to be voiced.

This is just some advice of mine to help you out when editing Wikipedia, and we are definitely not trying to demotivate you. I think you are a constructive, competent editor who just needs some pointers in the right direction to help your editing skills get better. I want this to be a welcoming place for you while you learn the ropes on here, and if you have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ping me and ask them. Thank you, and I hope these pointers can help! ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 04:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

+ 1. I'm sorry that you got a lot of heat in these past few weeks, it was just an unfortunate coincidence. :) SirMemeGod  18:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Advice

Please dont create articles on Tropical Cyclones until they are sufficiently notable. Not every storm needs its own stand alone article !Insendieum! ✉️ 22:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Another thing, please stop going off topic in talk pages, and please stop asking people to help with your draft articles all the time. !Insendieum! ✉️ 22:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

@Insendieum, as much as I didn’t want to, I have issued Kirk a level 2 warning because he has gone off topic several times in the past 24 hours. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Kristy

Kristy doesn’t seem too notable besides an imminent rapid intensification, and it doesnt seem that any land will be impacted except some swells onto the coastline. Remember, not every storm needs an article. Insendieum ✉️ 21:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The NHC says it will become a Category 3. Kristy should have an article in my opinion. LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 21:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Cat 4* LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

But it ain’t going to be a high end cat 4. It’ll only barely meet cat-4 standards. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I know. LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 01:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

How about this: I am going to create another talk page section. Maybe you should consider making that a subpage of your user page so you can easily find it. And I’m going to list the general rules of when you should make an article about a tropical cyclone. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I already have. It’s “User:LemonJuiceIsSour/Hurricane Kristy (2024)” LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 02:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

That actually wasn’t what I was referring to. I’ll make the link, and you can paste the guideline I posted: User:LemonJuiceIsSour/Tropical cyclone article guideline Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

ok thx LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, do you like my new username? LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 21:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I like your username, also I must mention, just because a storm is major hurricane status DOES NOT make it notable, the only things that do make it notable are impacts, or records. Also, please stop going off topic in your user talk pages. Insendieum ✉️ 23:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Notable meteorological histories could also give reason for an article. But Kristy, from what Im telling from forecasts will not be notable in any of the 3 categories. Just another Pacific major hurricane. Insendieum ✉️ 23:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Going back (sorta) on topic here: if it were my opinion; unless Kristy gets to being a category 5 or a high end category 4; then it probably won’t be notable enough unless it hits land. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 23:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Which just to remind both of you (@Insendieum included); user talk pages do allow for a reasonable degree of generalization. But they still can’t go excessively off topic. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I have worked on your page and made improvements @LemonJuiceIsSour Insendieum ✉️ 00:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

ok thank you LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 01:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok; speaking of criteria @Insendieum: this has strengthened into a high end category 3; and is now expected to be a 150-mph category 4 storm. So it could potentially be notable just on account of the very high intensity; especially for this time of year. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Uhhh @Insendieum: you might want to look at the NHC advisory. I think Kristy will end up being notable because it has now intensified to 155 mph (beyond aforementioned threshold) and still going up. Likely to be a category 5 now according to NHC. Pressure has also ranked as well. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Im aware, I check the website every 6 hours for this reason. Insendieum ✉️ 21:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Its going to be a situation like Jova where it didn’t do much to land (Jova did flood some parts of Arizona but not much) but its intensity let it have an article Insendieum ✉️ 21:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Jova is also the hurricane showcased in the rapid intensification article. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Its quite interesting to me how these Pacific hurricanes that track westward end up being so underestimated during its first advisory, then once it reaches its peak, it begins dramatically weakening. Its a pattern Ive noticed over the yrs Insendieum ✉️ 21:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Its just bc rapid intensification is so unpredictable take one of the largest examples Hurricane Otis Insendieum ✉️ 21:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Tropical cyclone article guideline

Here is the general rule of thumb when thinking about whether or not a tropical cyclone article is needed:

You SHOULD create a draft if any one of these criteria is met or has a high probability of being met:

• The tropical cyclone or remnants thereof is expected to make landfall and has the potential to cause damaging impacts on land.

• The tropical cyclone is NOT expected to make landfall but will be close enough to bring damaging impacts to land (eg: high winds or flooding rains)

• The tropical cyclone does NOT pose a significant threat to land but has been or will likely be designated a category 5 (or very high end category 4) hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale with winds of at least 150 mph.

• In the case of tropical cyclones that don’t pose a threat to land; and are outside the NHC area of responsibility: it should be designated either a “super typhoon” by the JTWC; or the highest tropical cyclone category on its respective scale; or it should be estimated by the JTWC to be the equivalent of a category 5 hurricane, or a high end category 4 with at least 150 mph (1 minute) sustained winds.

• Tropical cyclones that stay in open sea but result in a deadly shipwreck.

• Tropical cyclones that don’t meet the above criteria if they are notable in another way such as for breaking a meteorological record for instance (eg: a hurricane in January).

Now this isn’t a set in stone criteria. And not every storm that meets the criteria will be worthy of an article. But this is a good starting point. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 02:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

What about the others that don’t fit all of these criteria yet still have an article? LemonJuiceIsSour (talk) 02:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Give an example. Insendieum ✉️ 03:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Insendieum, Hurricane Epsilon (2020). Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Only it did bring TS conditions to Bermuda. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 04:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the only thing it did really do was bring TS force winds and rip currents, I dont really think that warrants an article but it had some minimal impacts Insendieum ✉️ 04:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

That’s an example of one that already has an article. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Tammy would probably be another example @Insendieum. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I take that back. It did cause a million dollars in damage to the Caribbean. Didn’t see those tiny islands on the map. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Melissa (2019) would probably be another good example. Only caused $20,000 in damage. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 19:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tropical Storm Nadine (2024) has been accepted

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testing

signature test [[User:LemonJuiceIsSour|🍋]] (talk) 12:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

testing 🍋 🍋 12:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

yay 🍋 🍋(talk!) 22:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

You know @LemonJuiceIsSour; you can test your signature in your sandbox rather than on the talk page. That’s literally what sandboxes are for. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

ok 🍋 🍋(talk!) 01:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I did the same thing on my talk page half a year ago or so, and he probably just saw and followed along Insendieum ✉️ 03:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

In fact, I did it like a week ago as well… Insendieum ✉️ 03:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hurricane Kristy (2024) (October 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sir MemeGod was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hurricane Kristy (2024) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

SirMemeGod  16:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help! I’ll work on it immediately! 🍋 🍋(talk!) 16:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

"User:@Sir MemeGod" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect User:@Sir MemeGod has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 27 § User:@Sir MemeGod until a consensus is reached. SirMemeGod  20:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2022 Halloween hurricane

A tag has been placed on 2022 Halloween hurricane requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Drdpw (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@LemonJuiceIsSour and Drdpw:OK, looking at at the guideline section Wikipedia:Redirect#Purposes of redirects, which broadly describes acceptable redirects as those that might be a plausible other name for something. I've put a little time into looking into whether Hurricane Lisa (2022) has been described as a "Halloween hurricane" in 2022 or otherwise, and have found nothing that supports this assertion. Your edit summary "as a Lisa formed on Halloween 2022, so I think it's fitting that this should be a redirect" would appear to simply your own opinion, pretty much mapping on to Wikipedia:No original research. As always, please do let me know if you disagree with this. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:08, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. Sorry, I forgot that that is technically original research. Delete it. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 14:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Testing

wjejwwdk 🍋 🍋(talk!) 01:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTWEBHOST

Hi LemonJuiceIsSour. I noticed you've consistently edited your userpage with predictions of future tropical cyclones since October 24. Unfortunately, this is moving into NOTWEBHOST territory, where information irrelevant to Wikipedia is not to be included in userpages. Additionally, it probably shouldn't contain hypothetical content as that can be misleading; userpages are designed to be a foundation for collaboration among editors, not for predictions or hypothetical outlooks.

Also, I saw Draft:Invest 96L (October-November 2024) being created – I'm pretty sure we had a discussion on creating premature drafts. In fact, the system associated with the disturbance hasn't developed yet, and it isn't even designated as an invest, either. I'm not entirely sure if that draft should be deleted as a hoax since it does contain factual information from the National Hurricane Center; but either way, in the future, creating drafts before a tropical cyclone has developed is highly discouraged here. I believe you like to track storms and report on the latest from them (and so do I), but on Wikipedia, this simply isn't the right place to do so. ~ Tails Wx 14:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I put like a disclaimer on my userpage? This is only supposed to be “humorous” in every way. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 19:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The drafts aren't really humorous though. They look like legitimate attempts at articles, but like the 97L draft you made just isn't gonna be needed, even if it becomes Patty. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I’ve noted this, 96L has formed over in the open Atlantic; and besides the “humorous” content was the predictions in my userpage. Delete it, with G7, as I am sure I will do it later, and let the people be informed. This new 96L will probably become Patty; Rafael (D1) is the most likely as it is already has a 70% chance of forming in 7 days. I am absolutely unsure about the cause and effects of Tropical Storm Patty, Major Hurricane Rafael, and Tropical Depression Nineteen. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 19:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

We have indeed had discussions on creating premature drafts. Your most recent creation, Invest 97L (October-November 2024), is not even an invest yet. Please, for the reasons given above, delete that draft, along with its earlier incarnation – Draft:Invest 96L (October-November 2024), and refrain from creating future ones. Thank you. Drdpw (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

“Refrain”… That’s a strong word, I think I just need permission on the season talk page 🍋 🍋(talk!) 20:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Not intended as such, the word simply means 'to hold back from ..., or to keep oneself from ..." How about, please hold back from starting drafts prematurely. Drdpw (talk) 20:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

ok, what do you want me to do instead? Ask? 🍋 🍋(talk!) 20:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Ask, discuss, and collaborate on the season talk page, contribute to the storm sections in the season article, collect potentially useful information in one of your sandboxes, these are all constructive ways to contribute, and are more valuable to the broader project than starting drafts on potential tropical systems. Drdpw (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Why do you ignore the counsel others give you, as evidenced by your creation of a Draft:Tropical Depression Thirteen-E (2024) page? Drdpw (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I now see that you have asked for that draft to be speedy deleted on notability grounds, which I applaud. Please consider doing the same for the Invest 97L draft and the redirect Invest 96L, which do not exist at the present time by those names (WP:TOOSOON), and because no article will ever bear either of those titles (with or/without the parenthetical disambiguation). Drdpw (talk) 22:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I at least try, then I realize that it doesn’t need an article 🍋 🍋(talk!) 23:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Well look at forecasts, and if it is clear dangerous impacts are likely, then thats the time for an article, but in the meantime please listen to us, we are giving you good advice on what to do and what not to do and you keep ignoring it. Insendieum ✉️ 00:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

And don’t create articles on invests either.. those don’t get their own articles ever. Insendieum ✉️ 00:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Joseph

Hello LemonJuiceIsSour. I just wanted to say that I appreciate the way you dealt with some of the conflict with Joseph Ca98. I saw your message to him and I believe you dealt with all of the "childish" or so behavior very well. Thank you, Shmego2 (talk) 19:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for you response. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 19:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome LemonJuiceIsSour! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2024 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

Cielquiparle (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Greatly Improved Editor's Barnstar
		One month and just short of one thousand edits later and the improvement in your competency and familiarity with this site and drive to become a good editor is deserving of recognition. Your contributions are greatly appreciated! Cheers! Departure– (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not deserve it at all, but thank you. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

You do, despite the rocky start you had, you still have continued to improve from a month ago, you have collected almost more edits than me in a month than I have in 2 years and that’s very impressive, the only other time that has happened was with User:Flux55 who unfortunately got blocked for sockpuppeting, but from the accusations that I and another placed on you, (which Im still really sorry about) it’s clear youre not a sock and will hopefully stay around for a long time. Insendieum ✉️ 00:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes what I want to do intervenes with what the rules say, and that’s how I’ve always edited. Every single instance is either me noticing a mistake or me wanting something made. I felt neglected at first, and it’s always been that way. Especially after I left Scratch and became a full-time Wikipedia editor, plus school, I’ve found my life so stressful. What I’ve put my life through is just a compilation of the things I wanted to do. I’ve always wanting things my way, but I’ve soon found out that that is wrong. I’ve had to go through a lot, but you guys make it better. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I think To be honest, what doesn’t make sense is the people who reported me (including you) ended up being the ones who are better than the other, per se, but, overall, I think I would have never made it without y’all. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:49, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

From you? Thank you so much. After I realized who you were, thank you for all the help you’ve given me. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

but, I still do not deserve it. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Look...the reason why I'm posting all these what-seem-like-bitter messages on your talk page is simply for you to improve and become a better editor. You totally deserve this award. I don't see why not. Just because you're doing poorly or making mistakes at some times does not make you a bad, shameful contributor to Wikipedia. We're all in this together to help build an encyclopedia, like you, right? That's our goal, isn't it?

Like you, I have school too, even right now. I also did Scratch coding for a while too. I found my life stressful there too with all this contributing, and even today, I still do with my time on Wikipedia quickly draining because of real-life school activities. But one of my goals is to help others, on-Wiki and off-Wiki. And that's...what I'm doing right now! While I'm actively contributing to articles and such, I also try and take the time to help newcomers and other editors like you to do the same in a constructive way.

So come on, don't let yourself down now! With the contributions you've had this early (you don't even want to know what happened in my first year here – I had no idea what I was doing at that age lol), you have a successful editing future ahead. You're always more than welcome to reach out to me, on-Wiki or off-Wiki, for any help or questions. :) ~ Tails Wx 04:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:Invest 97L (October-November 2024)

Draft:Invest 97L (October-November 2024), a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Invest 97L (October-November 2024) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Invest 97L (October-November 2024) during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Drdpw (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

yeah idc, just delete it. I’ll make another one later (with me saying smth). 🍋 🍋(talk!) 17:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Don’t make another draft until it is clear the storm will be notable. Insendieum ✉️ 19:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I made a user subpage on it. I think that’s good enough for now until it forms and I tell on the season talk page. I think tomorrow the outcome will be visible, but this season has already lasted longer than when this list was used. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 20:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

That is another draft. You now have created 3 or 4 in the past few days, including page moves, which are unsuitably titled and WP:TOOSOON. To reiterate, please do not make another draft or User subpage draft until it is clear that a named storm, one already in existence, will be notable. Drdpw (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Well just remember, depressions and storms dont usually require their own articles, so please just keep that in mind, I, and many others have already said this multiple times. Insendieum ✉️ 20:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Every way it could go leads it hitting land. The only way it could not hit land if it went east. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 21:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

It is too soon to start a draft, regardless of what this developing system might do. If and when Tropical Storm Raphael (not Invest 97L, not Potential Tropical Cyclone Seventeen) forms, then will be the time to discuss whether a draft for the named storm will-be/is warranted. Drdpw (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I started the Nadine draft when it was PTC 15. If you want me to make the Rafael draft, maybe we can resolve the issue where someone creates an article after me and gets accepted (example: Hurricane Milton) or creates an article while I’m away (example: Hurricane Oscar (2024)) 🍋 🍋(talk!) 21:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I have been writing a narrative start for the system's section in the season article. It is not an article draft, per se, though those system sections are historically where material for a storm article draft is drawn. The practice has been to build those sections first, before drafts are begun. Drdpw (talk) 21:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, that’s fine. As long as I get to make one. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 21:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

"As long as I get to make one" – No one has any particular entitlement to make any particular article. See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• RE:The POD of this thread – I have withdrawn the MfD, and, given that you have since created a user space Invest 97L page, I have redirected the page in question there. Drdpw (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. It will stay as a user page until formation. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 00:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	1,000 edits already!? Great work, I'm glad you stayed, and it'll be great to have another weather editor for next year's tornado season! Sir MemeGod chat 14:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean hurricane season? I think this winter I’ll help with Australian cyclones! Thank you, but, I do not deserve it. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 18:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Trust me, your contributions are more valued then you think. The fact that several other editors recognize your efforts means that you are definitely getting somewhere. Don't let the past get in the way of the future! (Still Sir MemeGod, I just went through a name change like 5 minutes ago). :) E F ⁵ 18:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

You changed your name that quick? 🍋 🍋(talk!) 18:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, thank you. I now have TWO barnstars. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 18:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Impressive lol, its truly a testament to your dedication. Insendieum ✉️ 00:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

+1. If you ever need help with anything, feel free to reach out! I know Wikipedia can be a hard place to navigate. EF⁵ 13:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

"Exactly!"

You have made numerous comments consisting only of "Exactly!". These are not particularly helpful and the degree to which you're making them is beginning to run afoul of WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. Please only comment if you have something substantial to say, or if you do wish to express agreement, say "I agree with <editor>", ideally followed by reasoning. Jasper Deng (talk) 22:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I am deeply sorry. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 22:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Touching my userpage

Hello LemonJuiceIsSour,

I saw that you edited my userpage (my main account, Shmego) to include a mention of you on my Hurricane Kirk note. While you did create the draft, you used AI and I think its safe to say that I revived it and found all of the information in the preparations and impact sections. Plus, you should almost never touch another user's userpage per Wikipedia:User pages. I will keep the little note you made, I'm not sure why I will, but I will give you a bit of credit, just in the future, don't mess with other users' userpages.

Regards, Shmego2 (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for the advice. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 22:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

But, I have changed now, and that article is the basis of all my other articles (literally.) I have created after the Kirk article. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 22:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you've improved so much! Shmego2 (talk) 02:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn’t say “improved so much”. More like, learning from others helping me along the way. 🍋 🍋(talk!) 03:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)