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king abdullah II and jordan

the folowing pages get vandilism and there are alot of conflicts of interests i tried fixing it but there is a huge bias for what i can only call anti jordanian bias. the demographics section has been ultered several times and was filled with unrelestic and biased info that contridicts the sources cited. the king's page is affected in an odd way. where it has a negative vibe and any improvements are always deleted . there is also alot of vandilism where the page is filled with pofanity and personal attacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topsecrete (talk • contribs) 07:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Happy?

There look happy curttrfc now will you answer my question - guy who hopes he will finaly get an answer because he has just signed in even though he didnt want to —Preceding comment was added at 21:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

True sources by Wikipedia standards or not? Please advise.

Does any of this count as a true source and not original research? Please visit this Wikipedia article link: Jeff Hammond and click on the official website link there, fifth column down on Hammond's official website you will find an article written by Jeff Hammond himself entitled "Making pranks".

Please also look at this link to Fox Sports.com: [1], a few columns down you will find an article written by Jeff Hammond entitled 'Crank' it up'. Everyone involved with Lee Roy Mercer's new Gone Racin' album are donating their percentages of the proceeds to the Victory Junction Gang Camp including the prank call artist known as Lee Roy Mercer.

In addition, please look at this photo at Fox Sports.com with the caption: "Yuckin' it up", Carl Edwards (right) celebrates in victory lane with comedian Lee Roy Mercer.(NASCAR Scene/Special to FOXSports.com) [2]

If any of this works for Wikipedia please let me know.

I'm new at this, but I am more than happy to go by the Wikipedia guidelines in order to provide accurate information that is Wikipedia worthy regarding this matter.

In addition, I'm receiving personal attracts from user bobbystone in my talk backs to you. This is highly uncalled for and most certainly not appreciated. Please advise.

Thank you for your time regarding this matter.

Sincerely,

David Wojahn --GoneRacing 02:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Which guideline did I supposedly violate? The information is 100% accurate and can easily be verified from numerous sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katrotat (talk • contribs) 03:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

sup dude srry

srry bout vandalism jus culd resist it was funny u hav to admit. srry . get a life —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.191.218 (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you irish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitbullman (talk • contribs) 20:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

autobiographical editing

Thank you for your response to the editing I did on my own Wikipedia article. I did not create the original article stub, and believed I was expanding on it objectively. However, if I have breached Wikipedia's conflict of interest, I apologize. Can the content be reverted to the stub?

Talbert1214 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talbert1214 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

If you would like it to be reverted, I can do so. The material you added, while unreferenced, doesn't appear to be unduly promotional. IrishGuy talk 20:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer to leave it alone. I truly think that I have expanded factual content. I will restrict future editing (if any) to corrections only. Thanks again. talbert1214 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talbert1214 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) IrishGuy talk 21:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Your bot keeps deleting my stub on Invade Earth

Some time ago I downloaded Invade Earth, played it, enjoyed it. Today I was browsing through the list of open source games page and happened to notice that Invade Earth was not on there. I decided to make a small contribution and add the link, but when I went to the edit page, there was a comment that said:

LINKS FROM THIS PAGE MUST HAVE AN ARTICLE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM OR THEY WILL BE REMOVED.

So then I figured I'd add a small article to go along with the link. But when I did it was promptly deleted because in creating the stub I had copied and pasted a small block of text from the website that was part of a description of some of the features of the game. I'm new to wikipedia, so I did not know that this would result in prompt deletion of the article on grounds of copyright infringement. Anyway, I'm sure that had the authors of the content known, they would have not only given me permission but would have actually thanked me.

Then I set out to write a small stub in my own words and it got deleted for having no meaningful content. But it did have meaningful content: it defined Invade Earth which was a small start, but nevertheless a start. It had the additional use that it would have enabled me to add that link, which I'm sure many gamers would have been grateful for.

Anyway, now I'm out of time. So I've written about 16 lines of complaints that could have gone to the article. Oh well, guess that's how it goes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dttopptewqxyn (talk • contribs) 00:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The article didn't denote any level of importance or notability. Please read WP:NOTE. IrishGuy talk 00:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


Why Did You Delete...

Field Falcons? It Exists... Here Are Links Proving It's Existance.

http://www.brimfieldohio.com/youthsports.htm http://www.joeeitel.com/hsfoot/teams.jsp?year=2006&teamID=584

And The School They Play For

http://www.fieldschools.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukanian-7 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

delete?

Why was Adrenaphine deleted before it's completion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinhead1979 (talk • contribs)

It was about a band that didn't assert any level of importance or notability. Please read WP:BAND. IrishGuy talk 19:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment

Trying to ensure that it conforms by pointing out the significance of the group within the first paragraph - if there is something I need to do to fix this please let me know. I'm just trying to get some information gathered and compiled for this group I'm researching. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voodoojas0n (talk • contribs) 19:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a blatant advertisement. Additionally, the article even notes they have plans for future works denoting they haven't done anything notable yet. IrishGuy talk 19:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
It, also, points out a significant work that they have done which has been pointed out in the ARG community numerous times as an example for how future developers should proceed in developing low budget/no budget games. This is a group of game developers who have developed works and are working on future projects. How is posting about this group any different from software development companies such as Wideload_Games - a company similar to Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment with the exception that they actually profit from their games. Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment is a group of developers which does not profit from their games (or from my knowledge has not profited from their games yet) so how can this be blatant advertisement when this article is not selling anything to anyone and is only an attempt to gather information into one convenient location? (I have removed external links) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voodoojas0n (talk • contribs)
You are promoting this group. That is an advertisement. IrishGuy talk 19:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

My question is how can so many other wikipedia articles discussing various groups exist if someone did not compile the information for that? Examples: 42_Entertainment Mind_Candy Bungie_Studios especially bungie where it specifically promotes their games.Voodoojas0n 19:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

42 Entertainment has created work for Nine Inch Nails, Microsoft, etc. That is notable. Bungie has created Halo, Marathon, and Myth...again, quite notable. Your group isn't. IrishGuy talk 19:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
is it a lack of significance due to the fact that you hadn't heard about what they've done? If you were a member of the ARG community you would have and you'd understand that what they accomplished with Ny Takma was to ARGs what Myth was to PC gaming at that time. How can spin-off companies from bungie be able to get wikipedia articles when they haven't done anything significant beyond third party content?Voodoojas0n 20:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

External Links

Not sure why my external link was removed from the Ryan Sheckler page. The guidelines you forwarded cite interviews as one of the few acceptable external links which is exactly where the link took readers:


http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Web-Exclusive/Ryan-Sheckler


Plz throw it back in there O mighty Irishguy, Catholic ombudsman of Wikiworld. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smk rhino (talk • contribs)

You have done no editing outside of adding links to that website. You are spamming. IrishGuy talk 21:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


What should be linked 

  1. Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any.
  2. An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply.
  3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.
  4. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

Not sure how adding something that falls under "should be linked" guidelines is spamming. Can you elaborate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smk rhino (talk • contribs) 21:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Try WP:SPAM: Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam. IrishGuy talk 21:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


But it's kosher to offer an external link if it adds to the editorial of the page itself and exists as a citation? The guidelines also state links to social networking sites are inappropriate yet there's a link to Sheckler's MySpace page. It seems inconsistent. Why is that link not deleted as well? Smk rhino 21:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

You are spamming. Pointing out other instances where they might be inappropriate links doesn't make your actions OK. Official MySpace pages are fine. IrishGuy talk 21:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't bring it up as a way to change the ruling on external links. I brought it up because it makes me wonder if some Irish dude patrolling the wikiverse is drunk on wikipower, dispensing wikijustice indiscriminately.

As for the question, is it acceptable to add links as citations when they add to the editorial? Smk rhino 22:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

When you can be civil feel free to return. IrishGuy talk 23:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary I am being quite civil, especially considering the fact that I am getting indiscriminately edited by an anonymous source on a supposed long tail, open source platform. Plus the "patrolling the wikiverse" was funny. Lighten up.

You still haven't even answered my wikiquestion about adding citations. Smk rhino 14:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

A Faraway Ancient Country

I was told you deleted my article because you thought I was avertising it. It's a good book that I picked up off of Google books. What is wrong with making a page about it? --JRTyner 02:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It was an advertisement for a non-notable self-published book. IrishGuy talk 14:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I bought it after reading the newspaper article, I was adding sources when you deeted it. --JRTyner 17:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Again, it was an advertisement for a non-notable self-published book. A single article in a local paper from the author's hometown doesn't make notability. IrishGuy talk 21:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
And again I'm telling you that you didn't give me a chance to list references or external links. You deleted my first article without even giving me a chance to defend it. I'm just asking for the chance to defend a book that I like. --JRTyner 21:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
How exactly does a non-notable self-published book meet the inclusion criteria? IrishGuy talk 21:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Your case must be extremely weak, seeing as you have changed your argument. First, you said it was "Blatant advertisement." Next, you changed tack and said it was a self published book by an unknown author. You then said it did not meet the "Inclusion criteria," and provided a link. The link was to the EXCLUSION criteria, under which my article does not fall. --JRTyner 01:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
No, it was an advertisement, hence the deletion. YOU continue to claim that sources would have made the difference. I am asking exactly how. IrishGuy talk 01:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion."

The article was about a book I bought off of Google books. The artlce took no sides, and didn't promote the book in any way, even though I thought it was interesting and funny. All of the other books I like already have a page, so I thought this would be a good subject for my first article. The page had no links or information on how to buy the book. I didn't even mention how I bought it. I had put a brief summary, a few facts the aurthor had mentioned in a news paper article and and listed on her website, plus the catagory. I had just added the publisher's name, the ISBN number, how long the book is, and a few other encyclopedic facts when it was deleted. --JRTyner 02:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

You added a summary that was straight from the lulu.com entry about the book. That is promotional. IrishGuy talk 17:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I did not copy it from lulu.com. I did not even mention lulu. It is not promotional. --JRTyner 17:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The summary was taken from this. Not only was it promotional and completely non-notable, it was a copyright violation. Are we done here? IrishGuy talk 17:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


No, because there was not an ounce of truth in your last reply. That was the first time I had seen that page. The only simularity in that discription and mine is "four years of research, 80 sources, 190 Biblical passages, and the efforts of three theologians, each with a Master's Degree in Divinity", and that I got from her website, and I cited it, so there is no copyright violation. You are trying to bend the Wikipedia rules because you are biased against this book. --JRTyner 17:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I haven't read the book. How exactly would I be biased against it? You are wasting my time. You blatantly advertised a book you want more people to read...as evident by the fact that you won't let it go. You violated copyright. This would fail in AfD because, as I have already noted, it fails WP:BOOK. We are done here. Stop harassing me. IrishGuy talk 18:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
"How exactly would I be biased against it?" You're biased against Catholics, or women who write about their faith.
I have proved using the Wikipedia definition that it is not advertisment.
I won't let it go because you are being a bigot.
You know I properly cited it so I didn't violated copyright.
"This would fail in AfD because, as I have already noted, it fails WP:BOOK." Then as an Admin, you must undelete it and follow proper AFD guidelines.
"This would fail in AfD because, as I have already noted, it fails WP:BOOK." I already proved it does not fail WP:BOOK, and even if it did, it would quailify for AFD not speedy delete.
"We are done here. Stop harassing me." You know I'm not harassing you. We are discussing the deletion of my article, and you are throwing this out because you know I proved you wrong and you don't want to admit it because you are biased, which means you should not have deleted it in the first place. Biased admins are not allowed to use their power to further their intolerance. --JRTyner 18:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I am Catholic. Please read WP:ATTACK and WP:CIV before continuing your mud slinging. I don't need to take it to AfD because it was a valid speedy delete as an advertisement and a copyright violation. Did you get it that time? And you have proven nothing...you simply claim it doesn't fail WP:BK. Show me where the book has won a major literary award. Show me how it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself. etc. IrishGuy talk 18:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
You don't want to admit that you jumped to the conclusion on this book. There was no advertisement and it was refferenced, so there is no copyright violation. Now you are being rude and attacking me. Reread WP:BK, it does not say the book has to win a major literary awards or be the subject of "multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself". --JRTyner 18:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Did you read the part where it clearly said: book is generally notable if it verifiably meets through reliable sources, one or more of the following criteria and then listed the things I asked? Yes, it does say the book must have done those things. IrishGuy talk 18:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes and it does not say it has to win any awards. And yes it does have a reliable source. I am sorry ifyou think that earlier reply is a petty example of incivillity, but a lot of people are biased against Catholic books and religious books written by women. My point is that even if you think the book is unnotable, it has to go though the AFD process instead of speedy delete. --JRTyner 18:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
It is non-notable. That would be grounds for an AfD...which it would fail. It was speedy deleted, however, as it was a blatant advertisement and a copyright violation. We are done. Anything new you post here will be deleted. I have explained everything to you yet you continue in your quest to advertise a non-notable book. IrishGuy talk 18:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


you suck

you suck at least give vandals a chance to get caught hard *** —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitbullman (talk • contribs) 01:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Um...no. It isn't a game. IrishGuy talk 01:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
We are nothing without our fans. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Can you atleast let me write on talk pages without deiting it curttrfc

Why did you remove the deAD entry from Culture Jamming?

http://users.belgacom.net/gc711356/index.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.190.114.110 (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

That section of the article is for other wikipedia article, not external links. I removed the various external links people had slipped in there. IrishGuy talk 17:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


Fair enough. I added it to the Examples of culture jamming section. Is that OK? [deAD] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.88.29.95 (talk • contribs)

It isn't a notable example of Culture Jamming. IrishGuy talk 21:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Then why didn´t you say so in the first place? Nevertheless I think it can be interpreted as a form of culture jamming, compared to other activists. But whatever, see if I care. I did it and that´s what counts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.88.29.95 (talk • contribs)

Fanpages

I see you recently deleted a fanpage for an actor, but under Wikipedia guidelines, ONE major fan-site is acceptable, and therefore you should not delete a fanpage, unless you've managed to find a bigger and better one. Thanks. KnatLouie 10:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, WP:EL doesn't say that at all. IrishGuy talk 16:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

payd by WinZix, Inc.?

stop deleting spyware warnings and how to remove! ob —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.166.138.46 (talk) 21:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah. That's what it was.

'Ad', not 'spam'. HalfShadow 21:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Either works considering what he/she was doing. :) IrishGuy talk 21:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Carmen Electra

Hi, this is a productive new editor, who is contributing well, using references and responding very positively to guidance from a more experienced editor (i.e. me). Is it not possible to engage her in dialogue about her choice of username before blocking her? The so-called notable Carmen Electra is hardly likely to be confused with a person interested in the topography and history of Cornwall. DuncanHill 23:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

There is no hard block so a name change is as simple as registering a new account or requesting a name change. Carmen Electra is more than "so-called notable" and the policy at WP:USERNAME is clear. IrishGuy talk 23:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Well she's requested a name change, can you help her with it please? I do feel that a good-faith new editor with a positive edit history could be shewn more consideration. DuncanHill 23:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I've unblocked her (Irishguy doesn't seem to object provided that she request a username change ASAP). — Malcolm (talk) 00:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Tokyo Diner

Hello Irishguy. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to point out the possible COI in Tokyo Diner.

You are right in assuming that I am involved with Tokyo Diner and may be writing with a COI. However, since first attempting to edit, I have studied Wikipedia’s rules, standards and traditions and I am now completely committed to respecting them.

I have read WP:COI, and I understand that I must “exercise great caution” and “be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party published sources”.

I am also aware that “conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, but lack of notability is.” I now see that the pages you previously deleted were far short of the notability that one would expect from a leading encyclopedia. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

You and Number 57 were pretty quick to delete my first pages. I must admit that I didn’t like it at the time, but that I now understand that you were right to do so. I have removed a lot of personal opinion from the page, and I am happy to say that Number 57 has now accepted it and tidied it up. (Judging from his/her talk page, he/she appears to have fairly strict standards.)

There are some other notable points that I would like to make about Tokyo Diner, but it will take me quite a long time to research them and write them up properly. If you see the page in future, I hope that you will find that my edits are totally neutral and backed up by references from really robust sources. I am also very much looking forward to seeing how other people develop the page...

In order to be completely open about the COI on this page, I am thinking of logging in as “tokyodiner”. Please let me know if this is not appropriate.

Once again, thank you for all the time and effort you devote to WP.
RH

P.S. I have been telling my friends and colleagues about how the deletions have led me to clean up my act. One of them is a tremendously gifted proof-reader, and now that he knows how easy it is to edit, he has already started correcting spelling and punctuation whenever he finds errors on WP. Richard Szumlicki 21:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Aprelium

The subject that was deleted was "Aprelium". You stated that the article was deleted because "Article about a company that doesn't assert significance". So, help me understand this then, please. When I type in "free web server" into google and the first link that comes up is "Aprelium", and you don't consider this significant. Also considering the fact that Aprelium's Abyss webserver X1 (free version) is currently used by more than three million users would be pretty significant.152.121.17.2 10:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)Bill152.121.17.2 10:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Order Sons of Saint George

Dear Irishguy

On what basis are you deeming my article titled "Order Sons of Saint George" to be a blatent copyright infingement. I conducted all my own research into this history fraternal society from many websites including the one you quoted http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/st_george.htm. I also conducted research from the New York Times archives, and numberous other sources including e-mails to people with knowlegdge of this association in USA. I have a small collection of original items beloning to the Sons of Saint George from the turn of the century and based my article on this knowledge and used my own words in its creation.

Regards

Peter peter-langford@hotmail.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter-langford-82 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There were word-for-word copies from that article which is a copyright infringement. As for the rest, you are talking about original research which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. IrishGuy talk 21:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

LoudCity was not an advert. Why delete it?

You were a little overzealous. LoudCity was not an advert. It was not created by an employee and it simply provided a description about the company.

The page was put there to provide further information, presumably by a customer, in response to other articles that mentioned LoudCity. Articles like SteamCast and another article detailing how to start an online radio stations that briefly went into legal options and LoudCity was one of several options. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon.casci (talk • contribs) 14:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It was written like an advertisement, commenting how it does tasks "with ease". If it was written by an employee it was a conflict of interest. IrishGuy talk 18:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Well it wasn't an advert. We didn't write it and I was flattering that someone wrote about us even though it's only Wikipedia. A place for students to lazy to write their own essays and people to achieve dominance they don't have in their own lives. Brandon Casci talk 18:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes, personal attacks. Nothing says "I have intelligence and a valid argument" quite like a personal attack. IrishGuy talk 18:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Well I thought it was more an observation after I lurked around Wikipedia for a bit and checked out at the history of some random pages, and not a personal attack on you. But ya, I can see why you would think that, and I was annoyed at the moment so I'll admit you helped inspire my snide comment. You provided an answer to my question, and that's all I was looking for. I already let it go. It can stay deleted. I'm not compelled to write a new one. The page wasn't important. It was just nice to see someone went and did it. Brandon Casci talk 18:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Rationalwiki

Why did you delete the article arbitrarily? If Rationalwiki is not deemed to be notable enough, then surely Conservapedia doesn't deserve mention. Concernedcitizen102 19:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It was an article about a website that didn't assert any level of importance or notability. IrishGuy talk 19:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Why did you delete the rediredts I had for the Harry Potter film?

I had HP1 film, HP2 film, etc. >> Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film), Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (film), etc., but you deleted them. Why? HP1, etc. is allowed for the books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArryStreet (talk • contribs)

They were implausable redirects. People will not come to Wikipedia and type "HP5 film" into the search box. IrishGuy talk 21:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Carpe diem

That's Latin for "fish of the day". Any hunches on Game Seven? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm just glad there is a seventh game. It wasn't looking that way a few days ago. IrishGuy talk 18:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
They had them all the way. Sparky Anderson used to say, "The good teams will put you away." And they did, in spades. In other news, how do I get rid of that fundraising ad at the top of the page? It's slowing things down. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad the game was a blowout. I couldn't stand to watch another post season knucklebiter. :)
As for the ad at the top...it is slowing everything down. To the best of my knowledge there is no way to remove it. IrishGuy talk 23:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
As a Cubs fan who can relate, I felt kind of badly for Cleveland, but they're a relatively young team and, to quote Curt Gowdy about the Red Sox after the 1975 World Series, "Their future is ahead of them." I saw a "dismiss" under that ad line at one point, and that seemed to almost take care of it, but it appeared a few more times before it finally disappeared. Maybe someone took it down. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone finally altered the main CSS file to allow the ad to be dismissed. Cleveland just wasn't ready this year. With another year under their belts maybe Sabathia and Carmona can learn to control themselves better and not throw wildly once they start to get hit. The whole team is young. In another year or two they have the potential to be quite dominant. IrishGuy talk 00:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. At least someone's alert. Yes, Cleveland could dominate in a year or two. Which would be bad news for the Tigers, Twins, White Sox, and... well, every year is bad news for the Royals. Kenny Lofton keeps going to these teams that fall just short. Maybe he needs to sign with the Red Sox next year. Which reminds me... in reference to a now-antiquated nickname of the Pittsburgh Pirates, I think the Red Sox should adopt the nickname "The Boston Lumber Company". Those boys can hit. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
One more carp or two, before I get carpal tunnel. Manny Ramirez gets criticized for being lazy, basically... but I wonder if Ted Williams ever made the kind of play Manny made last night: the ball off the wall, a barehand grab, immediately turned and fired a bullet to second base for a (questionable) out call. But a terrific defensive play. And how about Coco Crisp, making like Willie Mays on the last play of the game. Except Willie stopped short of the wall. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Crisp is one of the best center fielders in the game. Too bad he can't hit. Manny gets great reads off the wall. I think he gets criticism for his lack of hustle. That particular criticism is quite often warranted. IrishGuy talk 00:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, all around. Like that 390-foot single at Cleveland. One thing I can't figure out is how his pajama-like pants don't get tangled up in his spikes. He must have the cuffs velcroed to the shoetops. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I remember one game earlier this year where he wore the classic Red Sox outfit, ala Jason Varitek. It was odd to see Manny with the big red socks and the knee high pants. IrishGuy talk 00:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to imagine Manny in knickers. But I like the old-style. And what I don't get is how the players on the same team are allowed to choose between knickers and longs. But since every team does it, I guess no one cares about it seeming to be a uniform-rule violation. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

comrie

there is virtually no citation on this and some of the comments are not true or heavily exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.66.40 (talk • contribs)

You actually did delete content with sources. You are either engaged in a violation of WP:POINT because you are angry about something else, or you need to take these issues to the article talk pages. Stop deleting content. IrishGuy talk 21:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting the vandlism to my userpage! Izzy007 Talk 22:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) IrishGuy talk 22:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

What page????????????

What page did I introduce into wikipedia that was innapropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducky3.14 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I PWN WIKIPEDIA!!1!. Stop. IrishGuy talk 23:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

who is leuko

There was an edit conflict where I was trying to remove the unblock request but you denied it first. Who is leuko? Is leuko really deleting warnings like the other user is complaining? Uetz 18:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Editors are allowed to remove content from their own talk pages. This user was a single purpose account created simply to harass Leuko. IrishGuy talk 18:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I saw the history more in the last few minutes. I think that some explaining to the user before blocking would have helped to prevent this user from returning with even more anger. I am always willing to explain. In fact, if you block someone, you can always tell that person that Uetz will come and discuss it with you in order to prevent hard feelings and potential sockpuppetry. Uetz 18:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC) If you do, let me know because I don't usually look at block logs. Uetz 18:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Largestart

Hi, can you delete the reference to another WP editor from Largestart's unblock request? The other user is the taget of Largestart's attacks. Thanks. DuncanHill 18:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. IrishGuy talk 18:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! DuncanHill 18:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
He's reinserted it, would page protection be appropriate? DuncanHill 18:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. DuncanHill 18:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:StevenBlack

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

I feel that I am being bullied, and I don't quite know how to defend myself. How is it possible that a topic be seriously tainted with an irrevokable "Candidate for deletion" box within *minutes* of the topic's creation? I've spent *way* more time on this than a volunteer should be expected.

Tell me: how does one defend against an over-zealous topic-labeler within minutes of a topic's creation? Please enlighten me.

How about this for a start: zero tolerance for bullying? How's that for a start? StevenBlack 23:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

You defend the article within the AfD....without resorting to personal attacks. IrishGuy talk 23:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

what's wrong?

Why is it that you and Wikipedia have a problem with me making a page for my band, we are totally ligitimate, as we are playing a show. So I see no difference to us vs any other band like My Chemical Romance.

Thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiefferMeridew (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is not a venue for advertising your band. Please read WP:BAND. IrishGuy talk 01:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not using it as an advertizing venue we have Facebook and Myspace for that. this is information about the band not advertizing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiefferMeridew (talk • contribs)

It is advertising. You are attempting to use Wikipedia to promote your band. IrishGuy talk 01:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

actually i am not, if I were I woudl be putting websites on it and links, and many other things, like places to buy things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiefferMeridew (talk • contribs) 01:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

as well why can My Chemical Romance put up a page, as they are advertizing for themselves, and we are not, tjsut because they are totally famous doesn't make it any better, as for cultural refrences, we have them, just like My Chemical Romance.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KiefferMeridew (talk • contribs)

They didn't put up their own page. You did. That is a violation of WP:COI. Additionally, that band has notability and importance. Your article doesn't. IrishGuy talk 01:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


if there is really a problem then all other bands should have their pages deleted as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiefferMeridew (talk • contribs)

Um, no. IrishGuy talk 01:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Deer creek high school

You deleted Deer creek high school as I was adding a hang on. Please do delete it, but please notify someone about the content of the article first. Can users be traced? This article has some disturbing content, that should not be ignored. SriMesh | talk 01:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It was most likely just a kid acting out, but all admins can see deleted articles. Feel free to bring it up on WP:ANI. IrishGuy talk 01:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Old vandalism?

How long after an act of vandalism is it appropriate to leave a warning message? I ask because I was reverting vandalism on the Louis Farrakhan article, and found racist vandalism (some of which had not been reverted) that is now almost a week old. Is it kosher (so to speak) for me to give this guy a warning? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 01:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

If it is an account, feel free to give a warning. If it is an IP there probably is no need as the next person to use the IP might be a different person. IrishGuy talk 01:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I'll do just that. Frankly, especially with racist vandalism, I'd hate for him to think he got away with it. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 01:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Good catch on the vandalism. :) IrishGuy talk 01:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Only Music

Hi Why was my page of Only Music deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topcat82 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

There was no assertion of importance or notability. You know how this works...you were recreating an article was already deleted. Stop. IrishGuy talk 02:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting my article on Brian Matthew Dorsett?

There was already an article about him for quite some time and someone replaced it with an article about a baseball player. I've listed at least 3 credible sources including 3 US government websites:

It wasn't simply replaced. It was deleted. Then a new article was created for a notable baseball player. The original article was deemed not noteworthy and was created by the subject himself or someone close to him, Bdorsett. IrishGuy talk 16:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
He couldn't possibly have created it himself because he is in prison. See link No. 3 Jgarland79 —Preceding comment was added at 20:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Yet somehow you claim that he records a daily podcast from prison? IrishGuy talk 20:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I set that up for him. I created a phone number he could call that would auto authenticate the call and record whatever he said until he hungup into a podcast. The BOP found out about it after a few months and had him write me to tell me it would be in my best interest to remove the site. So the site is no longer operational. However I believe an article on Brian Matthew Dorsett is indeed noteworthy because he is the sole engineer whom reverse-engineered the Direct TV HU smartcard and the Direct TV P4 card(Never released because he was arrested before it's release) Nobody else has even come close to these amazing accomplishments. The corporation that engineered these cards made a public statement that their cards contain some of the most secure chips on the planet and it would take an Einstein years in a lab to reverse engineer their cards and Brian was able to do it within a couple of months in his garage. Countless people have benefited from Brian's work, yet so far he has hardly received any credit, mostly because until recently he wanted to remain anonymous for legal reasons that no longer matter due to his current circumstances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgarland79 (talk • contribs)
So you have a clear conflict of interest? Did you create the original article under the Bdorsett identity? IrishGuy talk 21:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Forget it! I'm no longer interested in wasting anymore time contributing anything to wikipedia. I've already wasted several hours on this and I don't feel it's worth my time anymore.

"If you build it, wikipedia will delete it." Jgarland79 21:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

SAVE Program

Thank you for your feedback. I wanted to let you know that our article about the SAVE Program is not promotional because we are not selling anything. We are the federal government and only serve the tax payers. We are not promoting, just informing those about the program. We'd like you to re-consider and allow this information to be posted here. Thank you for your consideration. --Boundsdh 12:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)David Bounds

Cortex Command

Yo Irish dude (Ima an Irish man as well Roysh) Well, Why did you delete the Cortex Command page although the game is VERY near completion and has a huge following. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.184.196 (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The relevant discussions are here and here. IrishGuy talk 21:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

bimmerworld removal question

I don't work for BimmerWorld, I'm just a fan of the series and the team over the last couple years. Is there something I put in there that I should not have in there? I just wrote that up at work a few minutes ago. I got on wiki a few days ago and love all the reference material on different race teams so I took it upon myself to do this one. I have no affiliation other than that I am a fan of them and have bought car parts from them in the past. I just hung out with them last weekend at Monterey races, very cool guys all of them and I interviewed them for a local club magazine. Thanks for any input, I'll paste what I posted below for critique.

BimmerWorld of Dublin, Virginia is a large supplier of aftermarket and OEM parts for BMW cars, more specifically for the enhancement of performance for the German brand BMW. BimmerWorld Racing is the professional racing arm of the company and has been one of the top European car teams in the Speed World Challenge series for over 5 years. The company was started by James Clay in 1999 to support his racing habit and provide parts and support to BMW club racers around North America, they remain as one of the top suppliers of racing components to the BMW club racing community in the US.

BimmerWorld Racing has had numerous drivers over the years but the core drivers of the team have been James Clay, Seth Thomas, and Matt Richmond. Over the 5 years in professional racing they have had several podium finishes between them and many race awards for best starts and position advancement through the field in a race. The Speed World Touring Car series is in many ways dominated by a couple of large teams that run Asian sedans and receive some factory support but BimmerWorld has proven that with a quality car and great team the "little guy" can be competetive and excel in pro racing.

One of the highlights for BimmerWorld Racing is the 2005 season where all 3 of the drivers finished in the top 10 in driver's points in a field of over 25 drivers while not winning a single race and only achieving one podium finish. It was done with good preperation, consistent driving, and quality cars that could finish races and be competetive.

BimmerWorld Racing is known as one of the most fan accesible and entertaining teams in the professional road racing circles. Being selected as the winner of the 2004 Zimmerman award for outstanding team in the series reflects this as it is an award voted on by the race teams in the Speed World Challenge series to select their favorite team and crew chief. Over the last 3 years they have been well known for arriving at the end of the season awards banquet in over the top outfits that solicit big laughs at the formal attire event, most recently all members arrived in matching Mariachi tuxedos complete with sombreros. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madsedan (talk • contribs) 21:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not you are directly associated with the group, the article is still a blatant advertisement. IrishGuy talk 21:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

different fur

What makes a studio notable besides the notable people that record there? The studio's output and recorded discography is, in and of itself, what makes the studio notable. A studio which has been around for 30 years, and has top of the line equipment, with no recognizable artists or producers is NOT notable. If it claims to be notable, it is purely advertisement. Different Fur, on the other hand, is a notable studio, with an impressive track record. It is an important piece of music history and is of interest to both musicians and music historians.

I have also added 2 more sources, and am awaiting 2 books on the subject.


In regards to your flag on the entry for "Different Fur" :

While many notable people may have recorded at this studio, that doesn't in and of itself make the studio notable. The only reference in the article is the only media reference on the studio's official website. A single media reference isn't enough for WP:CORP. IrishGuy talk 20:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers....

Cheers for the revert on my talk page. Mid-term break, apparently in some part of the world FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) IrishGuy talk 22:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Johnny Vegas

I added Johnny Vegas to RPP, only to realize you had protected it while I was typing. (Got distracted by a phone and my typing is getting very slow for some reason). So if you want to knock it off the RPP list...?FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure. IrishGuy talk 23:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


Speedy deletion of Paddy hill

A tag has been placed on Paddy hill, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD A1.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. ForeverDEAD 00:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Um...I didn't create that article. I merely redirected it. IrishGuy talk 01:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

paddy hill

why wont u allow me to write a page for paddy hill? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Definitenoise (talk • contribs)

All you are writing is a single sentence. The redirect to Birmingham Six covers the details. IrishGuy talk 01:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

rather than delete the page, should u not suggest a constructive change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Definitenoise (talk • contribs)

Read above. IrishGuy talk 01:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


i spent two hours earlier writing it properly and someone else deleted it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Definitenoise (talk • contribs)

You will have to take that up with the deleting admin. I didn't delete it. IrishGuy talk 01:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

okay

i will rewrite the page and use wiki criteria to write about paddy hill.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Definitenoise (talk • contribs)

Opus 40

Why was my revision eliminated? I am, I believe, universally considered to be the foremost authority on the subject of Opus 40. My revision expanded the original article, correcting a couple of factual errors and adding more detail. What was wrong with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tad Richards (talk • contribs)

Your version completely destroyed all the formatting and added unsourced original research. Please read the conflict of interest guidelines. IrishGuy talk 01:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Opus 40

I apologize for screwing up the formatting, and I'm sure I can fix that, but as for the rest, I'd have to protest. If my information on Opus 40 is unsourced, then all information on Opus is unsourced, because I am the original source of all of it. If you'll check the link that's up there now, to the New York Times article, you'll see that it is entirely based on an interview with me.

The quote from Brendan Gill is accurate, and a source for it was given -- the March, 1989 edition of Architectural Digest. The information on the Hirshhorn Museum show is available at the Hirshhorn site (I can provide the link). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tad Richards (talk • contribs)

Did you read the original research and conflict of interest guidelines? IrishGuy talk 01:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Opus 40

Yes, but in this case they don't make sense. You'll allow the Opus 40 website, which I wrote, to be used as a source, and you'll allow the New York Times article, which is entirely based on an interview with me and quotes me extensively, as a source, but you won't allow me to correct errors that those secondary sources made?

And yes, I am a descendant of Harvey Fite, but this has not stopped every other piece of literature written about Opus 40, from the sources you've quoted to numerous other newpaper and magazine articles, and chapters from various books, from using me as a wource. I know more about the subject than anyone eise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tad Richards (talk • contribs) 01:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Irishguy,

Just dropping you a line to let you know that I have read WP:OWN . I am trying to get this Heqs guy to stop steamrolling my questions about his edits, and it ended up in a second RFD for the article I was working on. If you can help me take care of this issue, please let me know. I simply can't understand why some users have rights others don't, and why if there is a problem with an article it is recommended for deletion. Breadmold 17:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It should also be noted that the above editor has since then incompletely nominated the only other two articles they have previously claimed to be willing to revert edits on, Married to the Sea and Toothpaste for Dinner, as per the earlier userpage here. As the person who nominated the Natalie Dee page for deletion on the basis of non-notability of the subject herself, I cannot say that there would seem to be any cause for this person nominating both of the other articles they have said they "maintain" for deletion. John Carter 17:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Questions about Uplifting Athletes Page

Hello IrishGuy, You have recently deleted my submission citing it as blatant advertising. I am attempting to create a page about an organization at my almamater. I believe it serves the public well to have their organization defined in the wikipedia forum.

I am new to Wikipedia so I used a similar organization's page as a template. The American Heart Association is what I used.

Could you tell me what is, and what is not, appropriate for me to post about Uplifting Athletes?

I wrote my own summary of the organization but did copy/paste their mission statement as I thought it'd be inappropriate to interpret.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattCampy (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Quite a bit of the article was a straight cut and paste which is a copyright violation. Beyond that, as you yourself said above (I believe it serves the public well to have their organization defined in the wikipedia forum) the whole point of the article was to promote the organization. That is a blatant advertisement. IrishGuy talk 18:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


Advertising would be delivering a controlled message to users, that is not what I am doing. I am writing information about an organization to users that are already searching for it.

Supplying information for those seeking it, isn't that what wikipedia is all about? I've dulled the page contents way down, none of which is copyrighted material, hopefully someone will come along and improve upon it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattCampy (talk • contribs) 19:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia...not google. You are attempting to promote and advertise your organization. Wikipedia is not a venue for that. Please stop. IrishGuy talk 19:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you state why the most recent article was deleted? It was a standard definition of only a few sentences written within the rules of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattCampy (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It was an article about an organization that outlines no level of notability or importance. Please read the conflict of interest guidelines as well as the notability guidelines. IrishGuy talk 19:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Elegant.tragedy

You blocked User:Elegant.tragedy for recreating Ryan plastic (an a7 page) a couple times but now User talk:Ryanplastic is creating it. It is obviously a sock. - Rjd0060 20:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. IrishGuy talk 20:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
NP. Thanks - Rjd0060 20:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Page on published author deleted

Why did you delete a page describing a published author? It's very discouraging from helping Wikipedia in the future when the first page I create gets removed in a matter of hours, without any notification or reasonable explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidsaxton (talk • contribs) 20:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The article didn't outline any level of importance or notability. Many people have written books, they aren't all notable. IrishGuy talk 21:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Why didn't you simply add a comment to the discussion page, requesting reasons on notability, instead of just deleting the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidsaxton (talk • contribs) 21:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Contest about this!

I've been using Wikipedia for awhile, using its information alot, and I just started with posting Articles. I've noticed that this one is getting speedy deleted, which it shouldn't. If it sounds like an advertising, ill rewrite it, but if you search Final Boss, and go to Final Boss Gaming Organization, they have the same thing as me, but they are exempted from it? Personally I think that is very bias, due to they are more important than this community, but yet they have the rights to keeps theirs up, and not mine? that I worked hard just for this little, and wishing to hopefully working further on it. I'm wishing to helping out with the Wikipedia Professional Gaming Articles on here, but yet they get deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwn3d4lif3 (talk • contribs)

Unfair

When you do look at Final Bosses, I tried to base their writing off of mine, cause they have been on Wikipedia longer then me, so I was making sure that I wasn't breaking any rules, yet I still am with I want to call False Advertisement. This is not Advertisement, and if it is, then why isn't Final Bosses Article gone? They talk about their Organization, and yet I talk about mine, and it gets speedy deleted. This is unfair. --Markus 21:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwn3d4lif3 (talk • contribs)

Please read WP:NOTE and WP:COI. Wikipedia is not a venue for you to advertise your group. IrishGuy talk 21:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Then can you answer this question, and why is that Final Boss's Article not Speedy Deleted? --Markus 21:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I haven't looked at the other article. Regardless, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid argument for advertising your own group. IrishGuy talk 21:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've scanned through that, and I notice what you mean, sorry about that, but then I'm alittle disgusted that you guys are not doing anything about Final Boss Article. --Markus 22:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I've also noticed that you deleted 7Mercs and 60Ninjas due to that it saids: " Article about a club or group that does not assert significance " What if 7Mercs and 60Ninjas is significant? Would it not be deleted? --Markus 22:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Are you trying to say that you believe it meets WP:NOTE? If so, how would you not be violating WP:COI? IrishGuy talk 22:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I just read the WP:NOTE, and I noticed that "Independent of the subject" sounds like 7Mercs and 60Ninjas, unless I'm missing something here, why doesn't 7Mercs and 60Ninjas meet that guideline? --Markus 22:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You don't have any media references independent of the subject. IrishGuy talk 22:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

So even though I put down 7Mercs and 60Ninjas as one of my references, and that is a website that 7Mercs and 60Ninjas made, it still won't cut it? --Markus 22:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwn3d4lif3 (talk • contribs)
How is a website created by the group somehow independent of the group? IrishGuy talk 22:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, i see what you mean, what if a website called savgamingvids made our website, would that be correct and then the article be alright, cause savgamingvids is sponsoring us. --Markus 22:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone sponsoring you isn't independent of you. Time magazine is independent of you. IrishGuy talk 22:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
So it basically has to be someone that we don't know, but its someone important talking about us, that will allow this article be alright? Example is like Best Buy is talking about us, would that be a independent? --Markus 22:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
As long as it is significant enough to meet WP:NOTE. A passing mention wouldn't be. A couple of full articles would. IrishGuy talk 22:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
so what If like Halo 2 Junkies wrote something about us, which they did. would that be allowed? and accepted as a correct article? Would I just need more things written about us be ok then? --Markus 22:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Halo 2 Junkies isn't a notable and significant publication. It is another group like yours. IrishGuy talk 22:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
So what if like a electronic Store wrote something about us example -> Bestbuy would that be ok? --Markus 23:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwn3d4lif3 (talk • contribs)

Being Polar explorers and researchers is important

Sarah and Eric McNair-Landry have gone to both Poles and have crossed the Greenland Icecap. http://www.thepoles.com/news.php?id=16155

http://www.globalwarming101.com/wsf_newslettertemplates/newsletter_all_oct07.html

Eric McNair-Landry, Age 23, Baffin Island, Nunavut, Canada Eric spent most of his childhood in Iqaluit, Baffin Island, Nunavut where he was raised in a family of adventurers. Eric graduated with a degree in engineering from Acadia University and is considering continuing in architecture. In 2004-5 he took a year off of school to join the family Kites on Ice Expedition and became the first American/Canadian to haul un-resupplied to the South Pole. Eric has spent his time instructing kiting, guiding sea kayaking trips, working on film projects and at the Nunavut Visitors Center. He also holds the silver in the Canadian Ski Marathon. Needless to say, Eric is passionate about kiting. When there is no wind, he spends his time teaching himself computer graphics and website design.

Sarah McNair-Landry, Age 21, Baffin Island, Nunavut, Canada No stranger to cold weather, Sarah grew up in Iqaluit from age three. Shortly after turning 17 she went on her first extended expedition, crossing the Greenland ice cap with her parents and older brother Eric. A year later she traveled to the South Pole on a 71 day kite-ski expedition with her mother and brother. In 2005 she traveled by kite-ski again joining her father and brother in setting the speed record for crossing the Greenland Ice Cap, east to west. In 2006, Sarah traveled to the North Pole on a 100-day dogsled expedition with her father and two British explorers. Most recently, Sarah and her brother Eric returned to Greenland to cross the Ice Cap vertically by kite-ski, traveling 1429 miles/ 2300 km over the course of 2 months! When she's not off chasing the winds across the Arctic, Sarah is busy chasing her dreams of becoming a filmmaker. After graduating from high school in Quebec, she took courses at the New York Film Academy studying digital filmmaking in New York City.


If you had bothered to wait for more than the five minutes it was up or perhaps if you had looked around you would have found that they are not nonsensical or insignificant and that sometimes it takes time to update all the info. Enjopy being JUDGE and JURY do you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalvik (talk • contribs)

Please read WP:CIV. After that, you can read the guidelines for article creation and realize that a single sentence article is bound to be deleted for being devoid of context/importance. IrishGuy talk 21:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Starting nupack page

Hi

I'm trying to start a page for an open source, academic bio-informatics package called Nupack. You deleted the page as being blatant advertising before I had the chance to flesh out the article.

There seems to be plenty of articles covering similar packages (e.g. blast) so I don't see the reason for the blatant discrimination.

Cheers, Conrad —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conrad.steenberg (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Discrimination? It was a one sentence article that claimed it was a growing software suite which denotes it isn't notable yet and you are advertising it here. IrishGuy talk 22:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I see others have similar complaints as to your deleting embryonic articles before they can be fleshed out - so it wasn't discrimination :-)

This mode of operation is contrary to common expectation that wiki articles can be edited incrementally, instead of being required to land fully formed and perfect as you seem to require. Oh, well, I guess I wasted my time trying to give something back to Wikipedia...

Conrad.steenberg —Preceding comment was added at 22:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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