User talk:JJMC89/Archives/2022/October

Stop BOT on Page 2022–23 SuperLega

File:Superlega Italian Volleyball League.png is logo of SuperLega. It applies to all SuperLega until the sponsor changes. JJMC89 bot Keeps deleting the logo on Page 2022–23 SuperLega which is current season of SuperLega. Ojvolleyball (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Ojvolleyball: Edit warring of any type is never a good thing, but edit warring with a bot operated by a Wikipedia administrator is particularly unwise and often leads to accounts being WP:BLOCKed. The bot is doing exactly what it's been asked to do and it has left an edit summary explaining why it's removing File:Superlega Italian Volleyball League.png each time it has done so. If there's something you don't understand about the edit summary, then it's much better to ask for assistance sooner than latter because the bot isn't going to stop as long as the reason it's removing the file remain unaddressed. The bot is adding links to WP:NFC#Implementation because non-free files are required to have two things: (1) a non-free copyright license and (2) a separate, specific non-free use rationale for each use. In most cases, a non-free file only needs to have one copyright license regardless of how many times the file is being used, but it does need to have a separate, specific non-free use rationale for each time it's used and such rationales need to be added to file's page. That's what the bot is checking and it's removing the file because there's no non-free use rationale provided for its use in 2022–23 SuperLega. If you keep re-adding the file to the "2022-23" article without adding a non-free use rationale specific to that use to the file's page, the bot will keep removing the file. If you make this mistake once or maybe twice, perhaps an administrator will just issue a mild warning; if you keep making the same mistake over and over again, especially now that you what the problem is, your account will almost certainly end up being blocked. In addition, adding the required non-free use rationale will stop the bot from removing the file, but it doesn't automatically mean the file is OK to use in the "2022-23" article. There are ten non-free content criteria that each use of a non-free file needs to meet and providing a non-free use rationale is WP:JUSTONE. With respect to sports league logos such as this, it's generally OK to use the logo in the main article about the league itself (i.e. Italian Volleyball League), but not in articles about individual seasons unless the logo is somehow specific (e.g. an anniversary logo) to the individual season logo as explained in items 14 and items 17 of WP:NFC#UUI. So, even if you add a non-free use rationale for the "2022-23" article to the file's page, it's non-free use most likely still isn't going to be considered policy compliant. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

they don't have individual logo for each season. As I stated, the logo remians unchanged until there's sponsor change. I don't know how to edit the file so that the logo can be used in multiple pages. Ojvolleyball (talk) 07:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If the league doesn't have specific logos for each season, then current policy doesn't really allow repeatedly using the same logo used in the main article about the league in articles about individual seasons as explained in items 14 and 17 of WP:NFC#UUI; so, even if you were to add a rationale for such a use to the file's page to stop the bot, the non-free use would likely be challenged and it's unlikely a consensus could be established in favor of it. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is quite restrictive and non-free use isn't automatic. Policy expects to keep non-free use as minimal as possible and this sometimes means not reusing the same file in multiple articles like sport league individual season articles simply because its the logo used in the main article about the league itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

File:SuperLegaVolleyball.png

Hi JJMC89. This is sort of related to this above in that it seems to involve the same file. I'm not sure why File:SuperLegaVolleyball.png and File:Superlega Italian Volleyball League.png are both needed since they seem to be identical. They were both uploaded by different users a few weeks apart, and my guess is that second file might've been uploaded for either because the second uploader wasn't sure how to update the file or wasn't sure how to move the file to a new name. It could, of course, also be that the uploader thought a non-free file could only be used in one article and that re-uploading the file under a different name meant it would be OK to use in 2021–22 SuperLega since the other file was being used in Italian Volleyball League. Regardless of the reason, I don't think both files are needed since the non-free use is either OK to be used in the main article and the individual season articles or it's not. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yea, we don't need both. I've deleted one as a duplicate. — JJMC89 03:33, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

A blast from the past (possible errors in 2016 bot task)

I was researching why {{nowiki =}} exists, and I stumbled across a series of JJMC89 bot edits from 2016 that look like this. If you look at the maintenance tags in the green box, you will see that they don't look right. I was able to fix it pretty easily. I suspect, based on "What links here", that most of the transclusions of this template are causing similar problems. I don't know why that template was used instead of a simple = character, but I thought you might want to look at it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Now that I look at a few more pages, I see stuff like Talk:Mayan languages, which makes more sense. The bot was apparently trying to copy header wikitext characters as is so that they would not create new headers on the page, but it seems to have been overzealous with non-header instances of "=". There is just no reward for doing a good deed sometimes, and trying to manipulate other editors' work always ends up with edge madness. I don't really care if this gets fixed in the cases where it causes trouble, but I noticed it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: The bot used {{subst:substituted comment/subst}}, which was responsible for replacing = with {{nw=}}. MSGJ added that bit per Template talk:Substituted comment#Replace = signs. — JJMC89 03:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Looking back with hindsight, it probably should have replaced only two or more = characters in a row, but oh well. I'm still not sure why {{nowiki =}} exists as an alternative to {{=}}, but if it's not bothering anyone else, I'll definitely be able to find other stuff to worry about. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Yea, two+ would have been better. They don't behave the same: Special:PermaLink/1114560761. — JJMC89 03:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Great job but I need a minute.

The @JJMC89 bot works really great but there's something wrong. I am using images in use on Wikipedia on a portal draft that I am working on the bot is ripping the images off my draft. This is a malfunction. These images would not be appropriate in drafts if they were not on articles in the first place. More grease to your elbow. If you could look into it or give me a script to keep it away from the portal I'm working on. Danidamiobi (talk) 11:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@JJMC89 here are the affected pages for your reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Portal:African_cinema/Selected_picture/1&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Portal:African_cinema/Selected_picture/2&action=history Danidamiobi (talk) 11:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) It's not a malfunction. Non-free content can only be used in the article namespace; it can't be used directly or by template transclusion in the portal namespace. Non-free content also can't be used in the draft namespace. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Bognor station

@JJMC89 Please accept my apologies, I have just temporarily deleted your new category edit on Bognor Regis station. This was a mistake and I will reinstate it now. Sorry. Afterbrunel (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2020–21 WNBL season

A tag has been placed on Category:2020–21 WNBL season requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

No longer necessary for category navigation ~ single-year seasons are now findable

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Oregon State University college wiki page graphic

See talk on individual pages.Ludviggy (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Ludviggy. JJMC89 sometimes gets busy with real world stuff; so, I've gone ahead and responded to you question at Talk:Oregon State University College of Liberal Arts#Use of OSU logo on college wiki pages. JJMC89's bot is doing exactly what it's been tasked to do and it will keep doing so as long as you continue to re-add File:Oregon State University primary logo.svg to Oregon State University College of Liberal Arts, Oregon State University College of Engineering or any other Wikipedia pages in a manner that doesn't comply with relevant Wikipedia pokicies and guidelines. Generally, edit warring or anything that might be mistaken for edit warring is not a very prudent thing to do no matter how right you think you are unless there's a really good Wikipedia policy or guideline based reason for doing so. Edit warring with a bot is particularly unwise because bots will continue to do what they've been tasked to do no matter how many times you revert them. It's best to seek assistance asap when you're reverted by a bot so that your editing is not mistaken for disruption. Too much back and forth reverting almost invariably ends up with accounts being blocked, and bots are very rarely blocked. Please be careful in the future. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

JJMC89 bot question

Hi JJMC89. Is there any way for your bot to check for files being used multiple times in the same article? I occasionally come across situations where a logo file is being used for primary identification purposes at the top of or in the main infobox of an article, but then the same logo is also being used later in the body of the article (usually in a logo section or table). The file is supposed to have a rationale for each use, but almost always there's just one for the first use. I usually remove the second use per NFCC#3a and #10c, but there are probably a lot more examples of this throughout Wikipedia. Your bot does a really good job at finding inter-article #10c violations and I'm wondering if it can be set up to also check for intra-article #10c violations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: It could, but there isn't an efficient way to do it. The bot would need to parse each article to count the number of uses, which is expensive compared to the API saying it is used. I might be able to add such cases to the log when the bot happens upon them as I do with WP:NFG (when it has to parse the page to remove a file already). — JJMC89 02:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Time for a full block?

for this guy. Johnbod (talk) 02:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Johnbod: SuperMarioMan partially blocked 2409:4071:4D00:0:0:0:0:0/40. Using full blocks is likely to have significant collateral, especially for the /25 that I already downgraded to reduce collateral. — JJMC89 02:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Singer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Javad_(singer) 83.123.132.235 (talk) 08:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)