User talk:Jbinsan

Hello

Hello, Jbinsan. By chance, I noticed your post directed to me at User talk:Heba Aisha, but if you want to be sure of getting someone's attention, you must link their username, not just write it. Link like this: [[User:Bishonen]]. Then I'll get an alert. As for what you say in your post to me, and also say in all your other posts to other people, it's all about the reliable sources. What Wikipedia says in caste articles, as in all other articles, depends on what reliable sources say — preferably academic sources. A community's "image", or "social presence", that you seem to want editors to write from, simply doesn't come into it. Furthermore, it seems pretty obvious that you have been here before. What was your previous account? Are you Shakib khan1985? Bishonen | tålk 11:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

No, I am new here and don't much about how to make this edits.

I am writing because they 2 wiki page writers are writing this content with some sort of hate agenda.

They have prevented anyone else to write about it and continuously asking other wiki page content writer to write about a single community.

Just look at the dates they were joined and their edits so far.

Please read the article they written especially rajputization.

It's disturbing and not just I found another talk where unknown user investigated about it and that user feel to new users are on agenda to spoil a community's name.

It's my humble request to take down these pages and restore all the previous contents and overwrite the contents written by these 2 writers. Jbinsan (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"On agenda to spoil a community's name"? It's just like you haven't read a word I've said. And did you even click on my link to reliable sources? I put that in so you could educate yourself a little about Wikipedia's sourcing principles. Also, you're not supposed to talk about fellow editors the way you do, imputing nasty agendas to them. Please read the guideline Assume good faith. Bishonen | tålk 12:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I don't think I used any harsh words against anyone , all I am saying if you look at the pace of writing about a single community you will sense some sort of agenda.

Why are their most articles only about 1 community and others.

I contacted you so that you can look at the neutral perspective and do something about.

Please help me out here there are some wiki page writers where their written content are replaced with very provocative language. Jbinsan (talk) 13:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will quote you exactly, then, since you don't seem to remember your own words even though they are just above: "I am writing because they 2 wiki page writers are writing this content with some sort of hate agenda". You think that's just saying "if you look at the pace of writing about a single community you will sense some sort of agenda"? It isn't. Also, no, I don't sense an agenda, I merely sense a couple of users writing based on reliable sources, and reverting caste promoters. But I'm done repeating myself here. Bishonen | tålk 14:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Ok,

But if someone wants to add some content on the pages and if they have reliable sources shouldn't they be allowed to write that on page.

They have blocked to update it, atleast you can look into that. Jbinsan (talk) 14:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And is Wikipedia for some users who can edit pages and restrict others to add any new information. Jbinsan (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some pages are protected because they have been subject to continuous vandalism, sockpuppetry, or other problems which disrupt Wikipedia. If you want to make a change and have reliable sources to back it up, you are free to make an edit request on a protected page. Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess who you're? Since you wrote on my talk page, I m here.Your allegations are not reliable as I hardly make edits to particular caste you're referring to.Instead I write on number of topics including caste. Since last 3 days I have spent my time on my new article, which is certainly not a caste article but a politics related article.You are also free to contribute but please be aware with the reliable sources to add something on caste articles.Heba Aisha (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If that so why female infanticide is highlighted in such a way that it was the only community to do it.

You could have written about this bad dark practice which unfortunately happened in our country against social injustice happened to women's instead you have written to some specific page.

If terrorism doesn't have any religion then such bad practice does have a caste.

Jbinsan (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's not written by me but by other editors but as a history student, I would like to highlight that only few castes and specially Rajputs were involved in it in past. In the peasant society (most of other notable caste articles are of peasant castes ex:Kushwaha, Yadav, Kunbi) the status of women was much better as they participated in the agricultural activity along with their husbands and were bread earning member of family.^[1] In the caste which were at apex in feudal system, women were dependent upon male members of family and to reduce cost incurred on marriage(lavish) of girl child, this practice was widespread. Heba Aisha (talk) 15:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chariotrider555 there were several sub pages in rajput wiki page but all are gone now , now only things I see is the part added by lukeemily.

Previous Pages as well had the reliable sources otherwise they wouldn't be there this I find really odd.

All the see the negative things about a community. Jbinsan (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just because someone write their own opinion doesn't mean that's a fact.

I can write any rubbish things about any community that doesn't mean it is true. Jbinsan (talk) 15:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you are here after reading the content from caste websites like IndianRajput.com and Jatland.com, then you should brush up your facts with the history books or books written by sociologists and published from reputed international institutions like oxford.Heba Aisha (talk) 15:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jassal, Smita Tewari (2001). Daughters of the Earth: Women and Land in Uttar Pradesh. Manohar. p. 71,53. ISBN 8173043752. Retrieved 2020-07-01.

The article you refered does show that peasant women did work and contributed to their family but that doesn't mean the upper caste women were in any disrespectful.

And peasant women's worked but in landowners fields so that they fed their family.

If you want to praise the hard working women then that is well appreciated, but it doesn't mean the 2 communities you mentioned did injustice to their women. Jbinsan (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, just like the former is backed by source I listed above, the sources are there on pages of those caste also about which you are concerned. And yes those source say it explicitly that the female infanticide and concubinage was a notable phenomenon.Also, every other pleasant and unpleasant materials are sourced with more than sufficient 'quality sources'.Heba Aisha (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And what about the sources which was given by another user Rana of Bharat.

Those were not quality sources just because they showed good or neutral side of a community or you don't want to even consider it.

If you guys are really responsible Wikipedia writers then the previous content was replaced by new negative content.

You guys should confess that you want to spread hatred towards a community.

I mean you people are social workers who instead fighting for new social issues you guys will come to wikipedia and write some disgusting about a community .

Isn't it true that you invited another wiki writer to write about some person of the same community which he refused.

And whoever is adding some general information about this community then you guys are immediately remove those contents and block that page so that no one add anything general or good content about this community.

By adding name of those castes you showed you have some personal grudge against this 2 community.

I'll give some other points where you can become biased and write against them.

Reddy , Sikh , Maratha , Brahmin, Patidar

I might have missed lot of community but go ahead and write negative things about them.

Jbinsan (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Important message

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. Bishonen | tålk 14:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

December 2020

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. Bishonen | tålk 18:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"You guys should confess that you want to spread hatred towards a community." It appears there is no stopping your attacks by merely telling you to stop. Bishonen | tålk 18:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

[1] Jassal, Smita Tewari (2001). Daughters of the Earth: Women and Land in Uttar Pradesh. Manohar. p. 71,53. ISBN 8173043752. Retrieved 2020-07-01.

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